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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: PeterMarshallFan on August 11, 2004, 12:15:18 PM
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 12:15 PM\'] http://www.tvgameshows.net/ (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net/\") [/quote]
Well, neither show coud logically be expected to remain there very long, since only a small handful of each exist. This looks more like the B&WO people doing us a favor (one last favor?) than it does a grand programming strategy.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 12:20 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 12:15 PM\'] http://www.tvgameshows.net/ (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net/\") [/quote]
Well, neither show coud logically be expected to remain there very long, since only a small handful of each exist. This looks more like the B&WO people doing us a favor (one last favor?) than it does a grand programming strategy. [/quote]
I thought the same thing, too....but it's nice while it lasts.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 12:20 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 12:15 PM\'] http://www.tvgameshows.net/ (http://\"http://www.tvgameshows.net/\") [/quote]
Well, neither show coud logically be expected to remain there very long, since only a small handful of each exist. This looks more like the B&WO people doing us a favor (one last favor?) than it does a grand programming strategy. [/quote]
I don't really think the overnight block was ever much of a "programming strategy." If there's anywhere on the schedule that they'd do something to please us, that'd be it.
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I wonder if they have any more of the Barry Gray eps. The one I saw was very Letterman-esque.
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Don't know for sure myself, but this page says virtually every episode of Play Your Hunch exists:
http://classicgames.topcities.com/playyourhunch.html (http://\"http://classicgames.topcities.com/playyourhunch.html\")
It's a G-T show, so I tend to believe that just about all the episodes are intact. At least it sounds like they've got plenty of eps for a weekend run.
I don't expect GSN to ever get much credit from classics fans like the Prof, but somebody at the network is feeding him info about every old show that reappears on the network. Over the next few weeks GSN will be dusting off MG 90, Perry CS, Winner Take All and Play Your Hunch. Combined age of these shows: about 130 years. That should even please Mr. Steve a little.
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Um... not to burst people's bubble... but didn't they schedule those exact two shows for Sunday Night a couple of years ago and it turned out to be an April Fools joke? Could this be a joke also?
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[quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 11:46 PM\'] Um... not to burst people's bubble... but didn't they schedule those exact two shows for Sunday Night a couple of years ago and it turned out to be an April Fools joke? Could this be a joke also? [/quote]
Actually, they scheduled Say When! and Winner Take All with Bud Collyer, both of which don't exist (at least not in GSN's vaults). I, for one, am willing to trust the Prof and whomever his source is at GSN.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 11:31 PM\'] Don't know for sure myself, but this page says virtually every episode of Play Your Hunch exists:
http://classicgames.topcities.com/playyourhunch.html (http://\"http://classicgames.topcities.com/playyourhunch.html\")
Sounds like they got plenty of eps for a weekend run.
I don't expect GSN to ever get much credit from classics fans like the Prof, but somebody at the network is feeding him info about every old show that reappears on the network. Over the next few weeks GSN will be dusting off MG 90, Perry CS, Winner Take All and Play Your Hunch. Combined age of these shows: about 130 years. That should even please Mr. Steve a little. [/quote]
Plus if you add classic "All-New 3's a Crowd" and classic "Hollywood Showdown" that pushes the age of the sked to close to 140 years old. Somebody must be buying a lot of Rascal scooters. (The preceding was satirical in nature.)
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Don't know what's so satirical about it. Old shows like MG 90, CS, and the B&W epics aren't exactly targeted at the MTV crowd. That ain't satire, that's a statement of fact.
I tend to think the Prof is right about GSN's scheduling moves. He got everything right about the August 23 schedule tweaks, at least according to Adlink. He certainly lost his best source at GSN when Boden hit the pavement, and for a while his info on the network seemed pretty slim. But he's obviously redeveloped some sources at GSN - probably the "pitch the niche" people, in Cronin's phrase. And why would anybody play an April Fools joke in August?
For a network that supposedly doesn't care about the classics any more, GSN is sure bringing back a lot of really, really old shows. Over the next few weeks how many other cable nets will be introducing (or reintroducing) four "new" shows with well over a century's worth of collective age on them? Even oldies nets like TVLand and Nick at Night are now emphasizing shows with much less wear and tear.
Speaking of the Adlink schedules, it looks like Next Action Star goes out in a blaze of less-than-glory with an afternoon marathon on Labor Day:
http://adlink.com/resource_center/programm...04&endtime=1770 (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=14909&begweek=09/06/2004&endtime=1770\")
Guess the network had to amortize some of the (hopefully small) repurposing fee over a few more hours. The show then diasappears. And Adlink doesn't yet reflect any of the BW&O changes, or any rearrangements GSN may make for the dual feed.
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I don't expect GSN to ever get much credit from classics fans like the Prof
Casey, don't label me in the same group as the Perfesser. [everyone's tastes are different, so your idea that there's a "classics crowd" that vows hate against every new show is shot already. I like Blackjack and Dodgeball is beginning to grow on me, so there.]
Honestly? I continue to be surprised with the moves this network is making, but now in a good way. This would be Lou Fazio's doing with the schedule changes, correct?
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For a network that supposedly doesn't care about the classics any more, GSN is sure bringing back a lot of really, really old shows.
Oh, jump off your high horse. Your "higher-than-thou" attitude is grating. I can think of one really old show that they're bringing back--Card Sharks.
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MG90 is not that old, nor is CS'78. I will grant you WTA and PYH are old. To paraphrase the NBC promo dept, if you haven't seen it before, it's new to you. I can live with "Dodgeball" and I am glad that its high ratings have led to the return of "Winner Take All."
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[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Aug 12 2004, 12:05 AM\'][quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 11:46 PM\'] Um... not to burst people's bubble... but didn't they schedule those exact two shows for Sunday Night a couple of years ago and it turned out to be an April Fools joke? Could this be a joke also? [/quote]
Actually, they scheduled Say When! and Winner Take All with Bud Collyer, both of which don't exist (at least not in GSN's vaults). I, for one, am willing to trust the Prof and whomever his source is at GSN.[/quote]
If David Schwartz is still working at GSN, that's probably the Perfesser's mole. If there are more than four "Play Your Hunch" and two "Winner Take All" eps listed on the available programming spreadsheet, Schwartz would probably know, since he programmed the vintage marathons and programs the special insertions into B&WO.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Aug 12 2004, 07:02 AM\'] He certainly lost his best source at GSN when Boden hit the pavement, and for a while his info on the network seemed pretty slim. [/quote]
So how do you know that Bob Boden is/was the Prof's mole at GSN? That's right..........YOU DON'T! And please, Casey, will you stop trying to segregate the game show fans? There are no "classics" or "originals" groups over here. Only game show fans who like good shows, whether it's new or old.
Tyshaun
OBGameShows: I may have liked it as a kid, but now, Bullseye sucks.
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In fact, the Prof would occasionally mention Boden by name. He once commented that Boden told him GSN's economics dictated they rerun everything to dust and Russian Roulette didn't stand up well to the abuse. (GSN's woeful ratings for much of 2003 confirm that story all too well.)
So yeah, I think he was one of Mr. Steve's best sources for what went on at the network. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think I'm saying anything awful or even very controversial. If the Prof can develop good sources at GSN, more power to him. Lately, he does seem to have good information from the network.
Gotta smile when folks say that shows from 1990 or 1978 aren't old. By TV standards a 1990 show is Mesozoic and a 1978 show is Pre-Cambrian. Shows from the 1950s antedate the Big Bang. That's why not too many cable or broadcast outlets are bringing back four "new" series from those periods over the next few weeks.
Probably the fairest criticism is that I'm not giving credit to some classics fans who, yes, have made kinder comments about GSN. Here and on the GSN board, some of the network's harshest critics have mellowed a little since the recent programming tweaks.
Personally, I think the horrible return of All New 3's a Crock outweighs any good moves in the August and September rearrangements. So, for a change, I guess I'm being more critical of GSN than some of the network's former naysayers.
Not that I'm rooting for the network to crash and burn. There's still a lot I like on GSN.
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Gotta smile when folks say that shows from 1990 or 1978 aren't old. By TV standards a 1990 show is Mesozoic
Try explaining that one to all the "Seinfeld" fans, or all the "Cosby" fans, or any fan of any old sitcom or drama. Hell, we have one channel that programs "Matlock" and "Hawaii 5-0" when there's no baseball, and another has "Simon and Simon", "Cagney and Lacey", and "Quincy M. E." I don't suppose I should tell those stations what you wrote.
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And, unsurprisingly, the man misses the point. What I'm saying is, at this point, there is no such thing as a "classic" fan over here, despite your self-righteous proclamations. Yes, it's good that GSN has unearthed some shows from their vault, but does that makes me a "classics" fan? Not really.
Plus, just because Beverly talked to Boden publically a few times automatically makes him his mole? Give me a break. I suppose since he's talked to Cronin a few times recently makes him the new mole.
Casey, I beg you, get over yourself.
Tyshaun
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I beg you, get over me. Anyway, Boden isn't anybody's mole at GSN any more, because (and Woolery left Wheel, too) he's not at GSN any more. Do I think he talked a few times with the Prof while he was there? Why, yes I do. If you think that makes me a tinfoil conspiracy type, that's not my problem.
And there aren't any classics fans? Gee, that's a surprise. Lots of folks call themselves classics fans on the GSN board, and lots of folks over here talk up classic shows whenever they can. Not that there's anything wrong with that (somebody mentioned Seinfeld). Hey, I'm a classics fan. I like MG, Feud, Jeopardy, WoF, Pyramid, lots of classics.
And yes, shows that date back to the 80s, 70s, 60s and 50s are old by TV standards. You're welcome to tell any broadcaster or cable net what I wrote, because they'll agree with me. Almost all of those folks (besides the specialist nostalgia nets) would rather have more recent stuff if it was available and their economics justified it. If they could replace Hawaii 5-0 with CSI, you better believe they'd do it right quick.
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BTW, Professor Steve noted that Winner Take All would only be on GSN for one week. And THEN what?
Plus, the news that B&WO would be seen at 3-4am EST/PST indicates that the 'dual feed' would be starting up.
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Marcia Wallace of the Big Board!'
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BTW, Professor Steve noted that Winner Take All would only be on GSN for one week. And THEN what?
Password comes back? Another show emerges from the deeper reaches of the vault?
Stay tuned. And switch your TiVo settings to 3:00 AM Eastern.
BTW, some nice screen shots of the show, with a ridiculously youthful Bill Cullen and the old GSN logo:
http://gameshowutopia.tripod.com/winnertakeall.htm (http://\"http://gameshowutopia.tripod.com/winnertakeall.htm\")
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Aug 12 2004, 07:18 PM\']
BTW, some nice screen shots of the show, with a ridiculously youthful Bill Cullen and the old GSN logo:
http://gameshowutopia.tripod.com/winnertakeall.htm (http://\"http://gameshowutopia.tripod.com/winnertakeall.htm\")
Didn't realize the show had such a short run. [/quote]
Well, the show did run for over two years in CBS primetime with Bud C.(48-50) and with Barry Gray in daytime on CBS for two months in 1951. The NBC version with Bill was a revival of sorts. After the spring 52 run, the show became a segment of the NBC daytime "Matinee in New York" from June to Sept. 52. There was a radio version starting in 1946. Most every game show has used the concepts created by WTA, from continuing champs to lock-out buzzers to having contestants competing against each other.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Aug 12 2004, 05:23 PM\'] And there aren't any classics fans? Gee, that's a surprise. Lots of folks call themselves classics fans on the GSN board, and lots of folks over here talk up classic shows whenever they can. [/quote]
There isn't. This isn't the GSN board--where 11 year old twits get to post: "i think that gsn sucks because they took of press your luck and replpaced it with cwam". This is a board with intellegent users-95% of whom know what they're doing. Read up for more comments about the lack of a split fan base here.
Password comes back? Another show emerges from the deeper reaches of the vault?
You don't know that. Your sarcasm isn't welcome either.
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You're right about the length of Winner Take All's run. That's why I edited out the comment about the short run. While the show didn't last a real long time on TV, it had a respectable run on CBS and NBC.
As for the other poster's comments about the GSN board and sarcasm...sure, some stuff on the GSN board is pretty, well, elementary. But there's a lot of detailed and intelligent commentary, too.
The "sarcasm" comment...sorry, I don't get it. Winner Take All comes from pretty deep in the vault. Could other rarities surface on BW&O? You're right, I don't know. But I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, and I'm sorry if the comment seemed that way.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Aug 11 2004, 11:52 AM\'] I wonder if they have any more of the Barry Gray eps. The one I saw was very Letterman-esque. [/quote]
The UCLA Archive has two: the 04/12/1951 episode, and the 04/17/1951 episode.
There are also three Cullen episodes: 02/27/1952, 02/28/1952, and 03/05/1952.
If the report is true, this would probably be the week of episodes.
(BTW, there are also ten episodes of "Play Your Hunch", ranging from 06/06/1958 to 04/27/1962 in airdate.)
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(BTW, there are also ten episodes of "Play Your Hunch", ranging from 06/06/1958 to 04/27/1962 in airdate.)
Wanna bet they're gonna be repeated to death, even if it IS only on the weekends?
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'JoAnn Pflug of the Big Board!'
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Aug 16 2004, 03:58 PM\'] Wanna bet they're gonna be repeated to death, even if it IS only on the weekends? [/quote]
Be thankful they're showing them at all...
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[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Aug 16 2004, 05:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Aug 16 2004, 03:58 PM\'] Wanna bet they're gonna be repeated to death, even if it IS only on the weekends? [/quote]
Be thankful they're showing them at all... [/quote]
And be glad you have GSN, period.
From a now-former GSN viewer...
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Aug 16 2004, 03:58 PM\'] [quote name=\'RMF\' date=\'Aug 15 2004, 06:09 PM\'] (BTW, there are also ten episodes of "Play Your Hunch", ranging from 06/06/1958 to 04/27/1962 in airdate.) [/quote]
Wanna bet they're gonna be repeated to death, even if it IS only on the weekends?
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'JoAnn Pflug of the Big Board!' [/quote]
Just because it isn't at UCLA doesn't mean that GSN doesn't have it. After all, there are only 31 Beat The Clocks, 14 Two For The Moneys, and 23 Cullen Price Is Rights at UCLA.
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I gotta ask...anyone here know the exact number (or a good ballpark figure) about how many episodes of "PYH" & "WTA" are in the GSN vault?
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I gotta ask...anyone here know the exact number (or a good ballpark figure) about how many episodes of "PYH" & "WTA" are in the GSN vault?
They've only shown two PYH episodes in the past, I think, so it's anybody's guess what they actually have.
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A web page I referenced way back in this thread asserted that virtually all Play Your Hunch eps still exist. I don't know if this is true or not, or how many episodes GSN has the license for. Hard to imagine that the license for this show would cost huge bucks.
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[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Aug 16 2004, 06:07 PM\']
I gotta ask...anyone here know the exact number (or a good ballpark figure) about how many episodes of "PYH" & "WTA" are in the GSN vault?
They've only shown two PYH episodes in the past, I think, so it's anybody's guess what they actually have.[/quote]
They've shown four eps in the past. Two NBC prime time (with Jonathan Winters and Juicy Jaye P. Morgan before she became a potty mouth) and two CBS daytime (one with a young Burt Bacharach).