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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: TheInquisitiveOne on September 27, 2008, 12:31:14 AM
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Evening to all...
Has there ever been a moment when you wanted to root against a contestant for various reasons...and then had that oh-so-satisfying feeling when he or she crashed and burned?
I know there are times in this current era, but I like to go back a bit further.
As I speak, ABC Millionaire is playing on my TV...does the name Kati Knudsen come to mind?
Any others?
The Inquisitive One
/Logaroo, I am sure this comes to your mind...
//ah, the power of DVR...
///even if it is from Comcast...
////talk about your epic fail...
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That one dude on the poker show with the hoodie. Funny thing is, he loses all the time and they invite him back on the next show.
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Man, I started to watch a little bit of the Kati debacle on Thursday night. Even in the shadows, you could see the Fastest Finger contestant directly behind her getting more and more impatient during the "budgie" question. Kati definitely deserved her eventual fate.
I remember a woman on the first season of the syndie daily "Match Game" who said that she was an auctioneer. When Gene suggested that she give them a little sample, before his sentence was even finished, she snapped, "I don't want to auction." Already off to a bad start in the rooting department. She lost her first game but won her second. After hearing the celebrities' suggestions for LET ME ___ YOU in the Audience Match, she snottily said, "I don't like those" and went with her own choice, "Let me love you." It ended up being nowhere on the board (but two of the three celebs' choices were there, including the $500 slot, "Let me entertain you"), so she went home with nothing. No tears were shed for her in my house.
Brendan
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Kati gets my vote any day of the week, twice on Sunday. Honestly, part of me wanted to see her win the $500k just so she could blow it on the Big Fella.
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When I think of "Epic Fail", I think of the contestant that practically helped us coin that phrase -- Joseph on last season's TPIR, the one with the $2 million bid in Contestant's Row.
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Can someone please elaborate [or provide a clip of] this Kati Millionaire incident? Being 10 or 11 when it originally aired past my bedtime, I'm not completely sure of what we're referring to. =\
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'198296\' date=\'Sep 26 2008, 11:00 PM\']
Can someone please elaborate [or provide a clip of] this Kati Millionaire incident? Being 10 or 11 when it originally aired past my bedtime, I'm not completely sure of what we're referring to. =\
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She took forever and a day just to get to $8,000, and then spent what must have been at least ten minutes on each question she faced thereafter, refusing to walk away just because she wanted to be The First Woman To Win The Million. She reportedly spent almost an hour on the $500,000 question before blowing it.
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Skyler on Whammy!
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'198302\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 02:58 AM\']
Skyler on Whammy!
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There, fixed that for you.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'198293\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 12:47 AM\']Kati gets my vote any day of the week, twice on Sunday. Honestly, part of me wanted to see her win the $500k just so she could blow it on the Big Fella.[/quote]
Thing was, she actually had the correct answer to the $500,000 question. She almost locked it in before she made a sudden change and blew what is nearly 10-years salary for many people. All because she just HAD to achieve such an accomplishment in the name of "Grrrrl Power!" (Apparently, winning big on a game show was right up there with the right to vote for her)
Not that it bothered me, I was also quite pleased to see her blow it. The moment that really sticks to me was, as Kati was exiting, her husband tried to console her and she bristled him off with something to the effect of "No! Get away for me." while stomping off the stage in an over-dramatic huff.
IIRC, she later tried to raise a stink about it to the media and nothing ever came of it. (Something like Regis bullied her into guessing or something) That's just how inflated her ego was.
/The first female $1M winner on WWTBAM was so much more deserving.
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I can tell you that Kati is still practicing medicine.
If any of you catch up to her, mention her Millionaire experience.
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[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'198307\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 08:40 AM\']
I can tell you that Kati is still practicing medicine.
If any of you catch up to her, mention her Millionaire experience.
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Got an e-mail address for her? If so, I'll write to her and share her reply.
Maybe we can all take turns. She'll spontaneously combust.
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Surprised no one's mentioned almost anyone on DoND.
/Or does that go without saying?
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'198310\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 09:38 AM\']
Surprised no one's mentioned almost anyone on DoND.
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If Pat Finn ever asks what the definition of Deal or No Deal is, reply with Epic Fail.
Joesph is the only person I've actively wanted to fail on a show, and so deservingly so.
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Earlier this week on TPiR, there was a woman who was absolutely clueless in Contestant's Row, yet managed to win the first one-bid of the day. She played Golden Road and blew it on the first prize. I did not see the rest of the show at the time since I had a class coming in just as Golden Road completed. The textbook definition of 'schadenfreude' happened when I saw the rest of the show on my DVR later that night. At least she was easy on the eyes.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'198306\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 06:08 AM\']IIRC, she later tried to raise a stink about it to the media and nothing ever came of it. (Something like Regis bullied her into guessing or something) That's just how inflated her ego was.
/The first female $1M winner on WWTBAM was so much more deserving.
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I do remember Regis talking about that in the next morning's edition of Live. The only thing Regis "goaded" her into doing was taking the $250,000 and running. He saw that, much like I did in the DVR playback (that I will keep), she was mulling over it for too long and moonwalked her way out of $218,000.
Seeing her walk off in a huff was rather satisfying for me...and I rooted for every Millionaire contestant in that chair during that time.
The Inquisitive One
/Nancy Christy FTW!
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Can't recall his name, thank goodness, but the arrogant ass who was the big winner on J some months (year maybe?) after Ken Jennings. He jumped all over the board to try and get the Daily Double(s) before anyone else. Then when someone would get ANY answer right he had this smug "well that was easy, I knew that too" look on his face. I despised his attitude and couldn't wait for him to lose.
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'198319\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 12:16 PM\']Can't recall his name, thank goodness, but the arrogant ass who was the big winner on J some months (year maybe?) after Ken Jennings. [/quote]Yesssss. Are you referring to David Madden (http://\"http://www.j-archive.com/showplayer.php?player_id=861&highlight=david+madden\")? If so, I completely agree with you. I know it's strategy to "fish" for the Daily Doubles and bounce around, but it's just... I dunno... annoying?
And thanks to all on the help with Kati. If anyone could point me to a YouTube link, or upload one themselves, that would be awesome.
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'198319\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 09:16 AM\']
He jumped all over the board to try and get the Daily Double(s) before anyone else.[/quote]
Yes, Gawd forbid a game-show contestant should use a completely reasonable strategy in his approach to the game.
I'm not saying the dude wasn't obnoxious for other reasons, but this just strikes me as a completely dickish reason to root against someone.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'198297\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 02:02 AM\']
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'198296\' date=\'Sep 26 2008, 11:00 PM\']
Can someone please elaborate [or provide a clip of] this Kati Millionaire incident? Being 10 or 11 when it originally aired past my bedtime, I'm not completely sure of what we're referring to. =\
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She took forever and a day just to get to $8,000, and then spent what must have been at least ten minutes on each question she faced thereafter, refusing to walk away just because she wanted to be The First Woman To Win The Million. She reportedly spent almost an hour on the $500,000 question before blowing it.
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Regis said it clocked in at 52 minutes. I believe I read it, or he even mentioned it on the documentary that GSN had about WWTBAM over a year ago.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'198308\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 08:47 AM\']
[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'198307\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 08:40 AM\']
I can tell you that Kati is still practicing medicine.
If any of you catch up to her, mention her Millionaire experience.
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Got an e-mail address for her? If so, I'll write to her and share her reply.
Maybe we can all take turns. She'll spontaneously combust.
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Or even self destruct, in 30 seconds!
/Peter Graves always accepted the Mission, right?
//What if he wouldn't have, it would be Impossible to have a show!
///Was he ever a game show panelist?
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In a way, it would have been funny if Mike Larsen lost over a 100k on a whammy!
They said he lost his "train of thought" a few times and almost whammied.
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'198328\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 11:49 AM\']
In a way, it would have been funny if Mike Larsen lost over a 100k on a whammy!
They said he lost his "train of thought" a few times and almost whammied.
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Yeah. His last spin landed one square short, and hit the square that was navigating away from "$700 + 1 spin". It had a 50/50 shot of going to either the Bahamas or a whammy. It went to the Bahamas.
And GSN did a documentary on Millionaire? Is this available for online viewing anywhere?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_progr..._Show_Network#G (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Game_Show_Network#G\")
There's the exact title. I'd be sure it has been bootlegged to youtube.
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'198327\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 01:48 PM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'198308\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 08:47 AM\']
Got an e-mail address for her? If so, I'll write to her and share her reply.
Maybe we can all take turns. She'll spontaneously combust.
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Or even self destruct, in 30 seconds!
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Wishes you hadn't said that. (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Screen/7219/70.jpg\")
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Anyone with a D/ND board that has the one million, then more than three dollar values under five-figures, yet says that "(Insert six-figure dollar amount) isn't enough for me, Howie, and I just know I have teh m1llionz!!1!OMGWTFBBQ!!!1", then picks the $1 mil case on their next turn.
The show should offer those types of contestants this framed poster. (http://\"http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/fostergray82/poster53605011-1.jpg\")
There was also another guy during the Regis Millionaire era, c. spring 2000 who got a $64,000 question on Sid Caesar (IIRC on both dollar value and subject). He was a smart-ass the whole game, and when Regis asked for confirmation, he snaps, "What part of 'Final answer' don't you understand?!"
Regis immediately snapped back "You're wrong!", in a tone that let you know he was pretty irritated with said contestant's behavior. I remember being fairly surprised at Regis's tone, but the schnadenfreudist in me loved it.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'198335\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 12:24 PM\']
There was also another guy during the Regis Millionaire era, c. spring 2000 who got a $64,000 question on Sid Caesar (IIRC on both dollar value and subject). He was a smart-ass the whole game, and when Regis asked for confirmation, he snaps, "What part of 'Final answer' don't you understand?!"
Regis immediately snapped back "You're wrong!", in a tone that let you know he was pretty irritated with said contestant's behavior. I remember being fairly surprised at Regis's tone, but the schnadenfreudist in me loved it.
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Ah yes. I remember him. Kurt Warkenthein, the guy right after Rob Coughlin. Regis said in an interview that he was his least favorite contestant. Kurt would never let Regis get a word in edgewise, and at one point called him "Begis."
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'198335\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 03:24 PM\']There was also another guy during the Regis Millionaire era, c. spring 2000 who got a $64,000 question on Sid Caesar (IIRC on both dollar value and subject). He was a smart-ass the whole game, and when Regis asked for confirmation, he snaps, "What part of 'Final answer' don't you understand?!"
Regis immediately snapped back "You're wrong!", in a tone that let you know he was pretty irritated with said contestant's behavior. I remember being fairly surprised at Regis's tone, but the schnadenfreudist in me loved it.[/quote]
I don't think it was the Sid Caesar question, or if it was then it was a different one than I'm thinking of. They had a question about Your Show Of Shows that had a flaw in it, an error that had been (and still is) widely reported as fact in many reference books and biographies. I don't remember the exact wording of the question, but part of it assumed that Woody Allen wrote for Your Show of Shows, when in fact he worked for a later series called Caesar's Hour.
Thing is, as I recall, they brought that contestant back even though he admitted it wouldn't have mattered. My memory of it was that he was nice and friendly and grateful for an opportunity he wasn't expecting. Doesn't sound like the same guy.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'198339\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 01:52 PM\']
Thing is, as I recall, they brought that contestant back even though he admitted it wouldn't have mattered. My memory of it was that he was nice and friendly and grateful for an opportunity he wasn't expecting. Doesn't sound like the same guy.
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Well, Kurt was a nice enough guy...he was just obnoxious as hell.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'198308\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 07:47 AM\']
[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'198307\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 08:40 AM\']
I can tell you that Kati is still practicing medicine.
If any of you catch up to her, mention her Millionaire experience.
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Got an e-mail address for her? If so, I'll write to her and share her reply.
Maybe we can all take turns. She'll spontaneously combust.
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Unfortuantely I do not, but I did read a report that she enjoyed the experience, despite the final result.
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[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'198341\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 04:22 PM\']Unfortuantely I do not, but I did read a report that she enjoyed the experience, despite the final result.[/quote]
Today Tonight now does reports on American contestants?
Just how slow is news in Australia? :-)
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'198342\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 04:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'198341\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 04:22 PM\']Unfortuantely I do not, but I did read a report that she enjoyed the experience, despite the final result.[/quote]
Today Tonight now does reports on American contestants?
Just how slow is news in Australia? :-)
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No, I just Google'd her name and found a few articles on her.
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[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'198383\' date=\'Sep 28 2008, 07:27 AM\']
[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'198342\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 04:29 PM\']
[quote name=\'trustno1\' post=\'198341\' date=\'Sep 27 2008, 04:22 PM\']Unfortuantely I do not, but I did read a report that she enjoyed the experience, despite the final result.[/quote]
Today Tonight now does reports on American contestants?
Just how slow is news in Australia? :-)
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No, I just Google'd her name and found a few articles on her.
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Sa-wing and a miss.
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As far as David Madden goes -- I happen to know the young woman who ended Madden's winning streak (she sang and played the organ at my wedding). She said David was a nice guy -- just very shy and awkward, and that awkwardness would come out during the show -- particularly when he interacted with Alex and the other contestants.
Kati Knudsen -- when I appeared on WWTBAM (in 2001), it was during the time when out-of-towners would get airfare and hotel comped by the show, with the additional perk of a driver taking you from the airport to the hotel and back. I struck a conversation with one driver, who mentioned that he'd been a driver for WWTBAM since the show began in 1999.
I asked him what the contestants were like on arrival and departure -- were most of the contestants "regular folk" or did they have large egos? He said "99%" of the contestants were good sports with no ego whatsoever. However, he said one contestant gave him fits both to the hotel and to the airport -- Kati Knudsen.
He claimed that, on the way to the hotel, Knudsen spent most of the trip proclaiming that she knew a quicker way to the hotel, and got upset when he declined her request for help. Post-show, said driver said Knudsen spent the whole trip to the airport arguing with her husband, openly expressing her disgust with what happened during her taping and threatening to sue anyone within breathing distance of her. He also claimed that he drove at least one other contestant from that taping to the airport -- and said contestant spent a good 10-15 minutes complaining how Knudson's behavior in the green room and on-set ruined the day.
Not sure how true the above is -- but it was truly an eye opener!
JD
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'198439\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 06:34 AM\']
when I appeared on WWTBAM (in 2001)[/quote]
I think GSN ran that episode within the past few days.
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'198439\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 07:34 AM\']I struck a conversation with one driver, who mentioned that he'd been a driver for WWTBAM since the show began in 1999.
I asked him what the contestants were like on arrival and departure -- were most of the contestants "regular folk" or did they have large egos? He said "99%" of the contestants were good sports with no ego whatsoever. However, he said one contestant gave him fits both to the hotel and to the airport -- Kati Knudsen.[/quote]
I bet the personnel at the hotel she stayed at and the airline she flew have stories, too.
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When J! had the five-day limit, if a player won his fifth game wagering to win by $1 instead of tying, I'd root against him in the ToC.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'198473\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 03:11 PM\']
When J! had the five-day limit, if a player won his fifth game wagering to win by $1 instead of tying, I'd root against him in the ToC.[/quote]So, someone who plays proper strategy is a bad player in your eyes? That contestant may have been a good one as well, and may have had to face them in the ToC down the road.
This reminds me of the horrid youth sports leagues that are out there these days where "there are no losers".
Flawed dislike, IMO.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'198473\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 03:11 PM\']
When J! had the five-day limit, if a player won his fifth game wagering to win by $1 instead of tying, I'd root against him in the ToC.
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Does NOT approve. (http://\"http://chiefs.fandome.com/watch/75560/Herm-Edwards-Infamous-Rant/\")
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'198474\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 01:16 PM\']Flawed dislike, IMO.[/quote]It really isn't, you just disagree with his position. Choice of side salad or baked beans with your Fail Meal.
This reminds me of the horrid youth sports leagues that are out there these days where "there are no losers".
What does this have to do with anything?
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'198503\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 07:54 PM\']
It really isn't, you just disagree with his position. Choice of side salad or baked beans with your Fail Meal.[/quote]
I dunno that it is. I don't think I'd want to become champion just because an outgoing five-day champ decided to fold up the tent.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'198505\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 08:27 PM\']I dunno that it is. I don't think I'd want to become champion just because an outgoing five-day champ decided to fold up the tent.[/quote]But that's not my quibble. My quibble is that Mark called Jay's "dislike" "flawed," and it isn't. Jay gave a reason as to why he doesn't like that, and it passes muster. Frankly, you can say "I like to root for Harvard professors," or "I generally root against red-headed housewives." I might disagree with the conclusion, but the reasoning isn't what I have a problem with.
If I had the choice between $20,000 and the tie, with the return trip that a tie allows, and $2,000 and bus fare home while my opposition wins with $20,001, I want the money. Every single time. Pride won't pay off my car or mortgage.
There's a difference between being in a runaway, and betting to finish in a tie, and betting from the lead so that second wins if he 1) is right and 2) bets the lot. And on that fifth day, you're gone anyhow, right? Why not leave the door open?
I don't even recall the outgoing champion back-door being used until 1998 or so, and it wasn't used regularly until the season before the winnings limit was revoked.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'198503\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 09:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'198474\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 01:16 PM\']Flawed dislike, IMO.[/quote]It really isn't, you just disagree with his position. Choice of side salad or baked beans with your Fail Meal.[/quote]Which is YOUR position. Lemonade or Spring water with your Snarkbar?
This reminds me of the horrid youth sports leagues that are out there these days where "there are no losers".
What does this have to do with anything?
The fact that apparently, you have to play fairly and nicely...and if someone wants to have an edge, that's not considered sportsmanlike.
/Has no issues when a team runs up the score.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'198507\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 08:40 PM\']
If I had the choice between $20,000 and the tie, with the return trip that a tie allows, and $2,000 and bus fare home while my opposition wins with $20,001, I want the money. Every single time. Pride won't pay off my car or mortgage.[/quote]
Okay, well, that's your opinion, and I gave my reasoning why I thought it was invalid and why I agree with Mark. You may accept or reject my assessment of your opinion as you see fit.
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As matter of fact, my reaction was precisely, "What are you afraid of, he'll come back and beat you in the Tournament of Champions?"
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/88378668@N00/2565341852/ (http://\"http://www.flickr.com/photos/88378668@N00/2565341852/\")
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'198510\' date=\'Sep 29 2008, 11:40 PM\']
As matter of fact, my reaction was precisely, "What are you afraid of, he'll come back and beat you in the Tournament of Champions?"
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Exactly...and I'd think you're more likely to beat someone you've already beaten than someone you've never played against, but I might be way off here.
There's a difference between being in a runaway, and betting to finish in a tie, and betting from the lead so that second wins if he 1) is right and 2) bets the lot. And on that fifth day, you're gone anyhow, right? Why not leave the door open?
Don't forget that, if you're in the lead, you generally WANT the guy in second to go all-in. He's waiving any rights he may have had to the Double Stumper if he does so, and shouldn't you do everything within your power to entice him to do that?
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'198727\' date=\'Oct 2 2008, 02:24 PM\']
Exactly...and I'd think you're more likely to beat someone you've already beaten than someone you've never played against, but I might be way off here.[/quote]
That's one of the arguments I make for allowing the possibility of a tie anytime, not just on the now-irrelevant "fifth day". If I was in the lead, and felt comfortable that I had outplayed my opponent and didn't just get lucky with a fluke Daily Double or something, I think I would probably allow for the possibility of a tie and take my chances with at least one known quantity rather than two unknowns. There are very strong and persuasive arguments against that theory however, mostly the idea that a returning player has an immeasurable advantage of experience with the signaling device.
[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'198727\' date=\'Oct 2 2008, 02:24 PM\']Don't forget that, if you're in the lead, you generally WANT the guy in second to go all-in. He's waiving any rights he may have had to the Double Stumper if he does so, and shouldn't you do everything within your power to entice him to do that?[/quote]
Well, since the wagers are secret, whether or not you allow the chance for a tie is something your opponent doesn't know, so your bet doesn't entice him to do anything.