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The Big Board / Re: Shaq to co-host new game show for ABC
« Last post by steveleb on May 05, 2024, 11:02:26 PM »
The ratings trajectory of syndie Millionaire was consistent decline despite several
Changes in format and host.  More importantly, the station group stopped believing in it.  The data was fairly cut and dried.  The qualitative feedback was where the boredom was expressed. 
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The Big Board / Re: Shaq to co-host new game show for ABC
« Last post by MSTieScott on May 05, 2024, 10:14:59 PM »
If you want nothing but celebrity players on a primetime game show, either play for a random member of the studio audience, or for viewers who enter for a chance to win from home.  Or do a charity / civilian winnings split.

While I don't much care about watching celebrities play games to win money for charity, I care even less when they're playing to win money for some random person who's just sitting there. At least I understand why charities should receive thousands of dollars in free money.

Personally, I think the obligation to play for charity often takes the fun out of the game. When a celebrity plays particularly poorly, they visibly feel bad because they prevented a charity from receiving money. And how many times have we heard "I want to keep playing, but I don't want to risk losing all this money for my charity"?

It doesn't work for every format (for example, Millionaire), but if celebrities must be contestants, I think it would be much more fun if each of the charities received an identical, set amount and the celebrities just played the game for points and bragging rights. The fun comes from watching these people who are already very comfortable in front of a camera good-naturedly trash-talking each other and reacting with exaggerated embarrassment when they fail. If somebody loses, who cares? The charities get paid either way.
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The Big Board / Re: Shaq to co-host new game show for ABC
« Last post by TimK2003 on May 05, 2024, 09:50:34 PM »
Most Celebrity (or Celebrity + immediate family/close friends) shows that played for charity up until the last 20-some years (IIRC) were either played on shows which aired on daytime or the early prime hours on local affiliates.  Dawson Feud, I believe, was the lone exception, but it centered more around specific TV show rivalries or TV families than actual specific celebrity families.

Those celebrity-charity episodes outside of primetime were either used for special weeks which added a little glitz and change of pace to regular civilian gameplay and/or ratings sweep weeks. 

Or, in the case of Celebrity Bullseye, (etal...)  it was alast ditch effort to save what ratings they had left

If you want nothing but celebrity players on a primetime game show, either play for a random member of the studio audience, or for viewers who enter for a chance to win from home.  Or do a charity / civilian winnings split.
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The Big Board / Re: Shaq to co-host new game show for ABC
« Last post by Loogaroo on May 05, 2024, 05:24:18 PM »
Let's just make all game shows celebrity only then since nobody cares about regular people winning money anymore.
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The Big Board / Re: Shaq to co-host new game show for ABC
« Last post by TLEberle on May 05, 2024, 02:54:36 PM »
I have no problem with Shaq as a host or presenter or comedic foil. Wasn't there a show by the name "Shaq Vs." at some point? Given how many athletes transition from the field of play to the TV side it is no longer surprising.

I'm curious what the evidence about how people won't watch regular folks play Millionaire. Were figures that easy to slice and dice?

One thing that I think ABC is missing is the utility of money. When David Duchovny was wrong on his $500,000 question he likely could have made up the difference if it was really important to him. It might have been several years but could be done. GSN just did the Top of the Charts block of shows and there were lots of folks who were past their prime and I'm sure the charities were important to them, but the charity wasn't front of mind for at least this viewer, it was each question as it came up on screen.

Go back and watch night two of Super Millionaire. Robert Essig comes off as a regular joe who is happy to be there. Watch as Regis says "and here's a check for $100,000." His demeanor changes. Each new level brings more elation as the money unlocks more opportunities. There are episodes of Debt where just winning a comparatively tiny few thousand dollars means wiping out a huge millstone around the neck of the winner, and the double payoff actually having that cushion to start over in a way.

Deal or No Deal certainly overplayed what the money meant, and the "what will you do if you win the $50,000" has become so trite that it is pro forma, but money is fungible and it has meaning for people.  For me, I knew I was unlikely to get on unless I really buckled down and practiced the phone game, and for all of the middle aged white guys on parade, lots of them were married and had kids, and even $32,000 of found money would be useful.

Lots of other shows are able to have regular people come in, play a game and win some stuff and then they are swept into the annals of TV history. Seeing someone win for the Salvation Army or March of Dimes just isn't the same.
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The Big Board / Re: Shaq to co-host new game show for ABC
« Last post by steveleb on May 04, 2024, 07:48:28 PM »
By the time the syndicated version with Chris was winding down Disney was no longer able to even get the abc stations to carry the show in daytime.  Ratings had deteriorated to roughly a 1.  And no matter how much efficiency Vegas offered, and with negligible interest from GSN (I personally tried to license syndicated repeats but was overruled) , it simply didn’t make sense.

As far as the primetime reboot—remember the show that opened the spigots was (and is) Celebrity Feud.  The network gives Rob the real estate because they love to promote their talent and shows where possible.  There was truly no evidence that anyone but hard core game geeks would watch Millionaire for normies in prime time.  It is now Sony’s baby—Disney is no longer an active distributor of current episodes—and they’re not about to push for something other than a layup order.

And for those of you who question Shaq—michael Strahan actually studied the craft and iMHO is excellent at Pyramid.  Shaq has done a similar format live sports adjacency for over a decade.  He’s damn good himself.  I honestly question why people feel they can prejudge anyone sight unseen in a role and immediately reject anything that doesn’t involve bringing back someone in their 70s, 80s or even older who is barely remembered by anyone other than this forum’s more active members.

I’ve also heard some great stuff about Gina from people who have worked with her, too.  Perhaps she’ll be able to carry them both.

Most importantly, some truly excellent people are behind the scenes.  A few actually helped Strahan become as good as he is.

Maybe you give these pros the chance to actually do their jobs before you pass judgement?
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The Big Board / Re: Shaq to co-host new game show for ABC
« Last post by TLEberle on May 04, 2024, 01:21:03 PM »
To differentiate it from the tired syndicated version,
Picking this out because you have a reputation and history, when would you have put the daily version out to stud? I know several people who won money in the latter half of the run of engagement, and you have lots of people who were earning a salary from the show.

There's more going on than just the final product we see.
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The Big Board / Re: Drew Carey “Never Quitting The Price Is Right”
« Last post by TLEberle on May 04, 2024, 01:18:58 PM »
I would in fact prefer a show with five pricing games, a longer showcase and then the end game, if it meant we didn't have half of the show as the quick decision games.

Also, maybe the show could get back some amount of time with Drew's filler chat portions where he explains "there's a second chance" or "this is like a puzzle" that doesn't really forward the narrative at all. I don't know what I'd do with the time but it feels like there's a lot of talking just for its own sake. In the main I think he bonds with the contestants very well, and that builds a great deal of goodwill for me.
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The Big Board / Re: Drew Carey “Never Quitting The Price Is Right”
« Last post by Joe Mello on May 04, 2024, 11:47:29 AM »
He’s made the show his own, although I think his delivery could be a little smoother at times during the Showcase, but I do love that his sign off calls attention to mental health awareness.
It feels like in the last 1-2 months of episodes, the staff as figured out how to time the show that they can leave a bunch more of the bits in. Not all of the bits land (I think it's Drew's nature to go too long with bits that don't work) but it's been about as close to Barker Era as one would be comfortable to get.
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The Big Board / Re: Drew Carey “Never Quitting The Price Is Right”
« Last post by aaron sica on May 04, 2024, 11:34:52 AM »
although I think his delivery could be a little smoother at times during the Showcase

This is honestly one of the few criticisms I have. He could be a little more excited when someone wins both showcases.
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