The Game Show Forum
The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: wyoperson888 on July 24, 2006, 07:43:51 PM
-
I am a big GSN fan! I loved when Wheel of Fortune and The Price is Right was shown. Also Match Game (90) was shown and fun to watch! If you have any suggestions, please reply! Your comments are greatly appreciated. One problem may occur however! I wonder if GSN still owns rights to air them. Anyway please post back!
-
*sigh* I have a feeling you'd fit in perfectly on the GSN boards. Check there.
-
[quote name=\'wyoperson888\' post=\'125010\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 06:43 PM\']
I am a big GSN fan! I loved when Wheel of Fortune and The Price is Right was shown. Also Match Game (90) was shown and fun to watch! If you have any suggestions, please reply! Your comments are greatly appreciated. One problem may occur however! I wonder if GSN still owns rights to air them. Anyway please post back!
[/quote]
OK! I will be happy to post my suggestions! But what will you do with them! My guess is nothing!
-
Guys, he's a newcomer, cut him a little slack. Please.
Anyways, wyoperson, welcome to the board. Yes, GSN does still have Wheel and the Match Game you speak of, but haven't aired TPiR in over six years. I forget the actual reason behind it, but there's been some discussions about it over the years, so you might wanna look thru the archives. I'm sure it's something or other there. ;-)
Again welcome, and enjoy.
-
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'125021\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 08:56 PM\']
Anyways, wyoperson, welcome to the board. Yes, GSN does still have Wheel and the Match Game you speak of, but haven't aired TPiR in over six years. I forget the actual reason behind it, but there's been some discussions about it over the years, so you might wanna look thru the archives. I'm sure it's something or other there. ;-)
[/quote]
I think the short version is that Fleming and Tauber let the rights to it expire in 2000, and then when new management came in, CBS wasn't willing (and still isn't) to negotiate a new contract.
-
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'125045\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 08:10 PM\']
I think the short version is that Fleming and Tauber let the rights to it expire in 2000, and then when new management came in, CBS wasn't willing (and still isn't) to negotiate a new contract.
[/quote]
It's assumed that the reason is because due to the fact that TPiR hasn't changed that much since it's olden days, that the new CBS episodes would lose ratings.
-
[quote name=\'Hastin\' post=\'125056\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 11:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'125045\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 08:10 PM\']
I think the short version is that Fleming and Tauber let the rights to it expire in 2000, and then when new management came in, CBS wasn't willing (and still isn't) to negotiate a new contract.
[/quote]
It's assumed that the reason is because due to the fact that TPiR hasn't changed that much since it's olden days, that the new CBS episodes would lose ratings.
[/quote]
Actually wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it HAS changed significantly and that CBS might be afraid that people will think "God, I can't believe how much this show SUCKS nowadays!" if they were to compare the current episodes to the classic ones?
-
Actually wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it HAS changed significantly and that CBS might be afraid that people will think "God, I can't believe how much this show SUCKS nowadays!" if they were to compare the current episodes to the classic ones?
That's what I've always thought. Not to mention the everyday appearances of various Barker's Beauties, many of whom were dismissed over the years for whatever reason, that Barker may not want to be seen with.
-Rick Z
-
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'125084\' date=\'Jul 25 2006, 07:28 AM\']
Actually wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it HAS changed significantly and that CBS might be afraid that people will think "God, I can't believe how much this show SUCKS nowadays!" if they were to compare the current episodes to the classic ones?
[/quote]
If CBS is that worried about that, then GSN could just try to pick up a more recent season, like maybe season 29 or so. It could satisfy some of the people complaining that TPIR isn't being shown on GSN anymore, and GSN wouldn't have to sift through every single episode to make sure there aren't any fur coats.
Of course, some would complain about the episodes not being old enough, but you can't please everyone.
-
[quote name=\'catnap1972\' post=\'125084\' date=\'Jul 25 2006, 07:28 AM\']Actually wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it HAS changed significantly and that CBS might be afraid that people will think "God, I can't believe how much this show SUCKS nowadays!" if they were to compare the current episodes to the classic ones?[/quote]
[quote name=\'RichZ\' post=\'125292\' date=\'Jul 26 2006, 09:50 PM\']That's what I've always thought. Not to mention the everyday appearances of various Barker's Beauties, many of whom were dismissed over the years for whatever reason, that Barker may not want to be seen with.[/quote]
[quote name=\'Allstar87\' post=\'125319\' date=\'Jul 27 2006, 02:59 AM\']
If CBS is that worried about that, then GSN could just try to pick up a more recent season, like maybe season 29 or so. It could satisfy some of the people complaining that TPIR isn't being shown on GSN anymore, and GSN wouldn't have to sift through every single episode to make sure there aren't any fur coats.[/quote]
All very good points. Also, the average viewer is stupid enough to watch a 1970s ep and believe:
- that you can buy a new car for under $3,000.
- that Bob Barker is dying his hair again.
- that Johnny Olsen is still alive.
Remember, I'm talking about the average viewer, not the average GSF member. We're smart enough not to get brainwashed into buying three of everything we see on TV (trust me, those BK Stackers are very bad for you).
-
[quote name=\'wyoperson888\' post=\'125010\' date=\'Jul 24 2006, 06:43 PM\']
I am a big GSN fan! I loved when Wheel of Fortune and The Price is Right was shown. Also Match Game (90) was shown and fun to watch! If you have any suggestions, please reply! Your comments are greatly appreciated. One problem may occur however! I wonder if GSN still owns rights to air them. Anyway please post back!
[/quote]
Or how about this?
The Joker's Wild
Tattletales
Let's Make A Deal
and Tic Tac Dough
can be on GSN again
-
The Joker's Wild
Tattletales
Let's Make A Deal
and Tic Tac Dough
Out of that group, you're most likely to see Tattletales. Most of us would like to see some of the others as well but it would cost GSN more to license them at this point.
-
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'141639\' date=\'Dec 28 2006, 03:49 PM\']
The Joker's Wild
Tattletales
Let's Make A Deal
and Tic Tac Dough
Out of that group, you're most likely to see Tattletales. Most of us would like to see some of the others as well but it would cost GSN more to license them at this point.
[/quote]
Okay, or how about
Some more of the Gong Show
the old Password
Treasure Hunt
some more of the old Dating Game
some more of the old Wheel Of Fortune(when Chuck hosted it)
and Break The Bank, as in the Tom Kennedy version?
-
[quote name=\'trev17ian\' post=\'141806\' date=\'Dec 31 2006, 09:38 PM\']
Okay, or how about
Some more of the Gong Show
the old Password
Treasure Hunt
some more of the old Dating Game
some more of the old Wheel Of Fortune(when Chuck hosted it)
and Break The Bank, as in the Tom Kennedy version?
[/quote]
1. When pigs fly (although I'd love to see it myself).
2. Plausible, but they're already showing the two more recent versions.
3. When donkeys fly.
4. When I'm named as the new TPiR host.
5. When the Cubs win a World Series.
6. When, ah, screw it.
Ease up on the suggestions. They ain't happening, and we're not the place that can make them happen.
-
The Joker's Wild
and Tic Tac Dough
Considering they were, oddly enough, the lowest-rated of the classic games during their time on GSN, can't see that happening anytime soon.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
-
[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'142780\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 07:27 PM\']
Considering they were, oddly enough, the lowest-rated of the classic games during their time on GSN, can't see that happening anytime soon.
[/quote]
Why is it odd? The shows have aged horribly; the formats were boring and uninspired, and the hosts on both shows (though Barry is better than Wink, IMO) weren't anything special either.
-
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'142877\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 12:05 PM\']
the hosts on both shows (though Barry is better than Wink, IMO) weren't anything special either.
[/quote]
Though I wouldn't exactly say that the host of Joker's last two seasons wasn't anything special. Bill's two years on Joker are something I've seen precious little of, and something I'd love to get a chance to see more often.
-
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'142877\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 01:05 PM\']
[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'142780\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 07:27 PM\']
Considering they were, oddly enough, the lowest-rated of the classic games during their time on GSN, can't see that happening anytime soon.
[/quote]
Why is it odd? The shows have aged horribly; the formats were boring and uninspired, and the hosts on both shows (though Barry is better than Wink, IMO) weren't anything special either.
[/quote]
Leaving aside the fact that there never has been a game show that you've actually liked or found interesting, perhaps Chuck is referring to the fact that TJW and TTD were often cited by GSN's executives as examples of popular shows based on viewer correspondence and reviews by TV critics. I remember reading several news articles and reviews with comments along those lines. As it happened, the people writing publicly and privately about how much they loved those shows weren't reflective of GSN's total viewership, and the positive reaction didn't translate into ratings.
-
The shows have aged horribly; the formats were boring and uninspired, and the hosts on both shows (though Barry is better than Wink, IMO) weren't anything special either.
I'm thoroughly curious now. Is there anybody else in the country on this forum who favors Jack Barry's performance over that of Wink?
I thought Jack was good, but Wink was excellent.
--Jamie
-
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'142891\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 12:58 PM\']
I'm thoroughly curious now. Is there anybody else in the country on this forum who favors Jack Barry's performance over that of Wink?
I thought Jack was good, but Wink was excellent.
--Jamie
[/quote]
I wouldn't say Wink was excellent - no disrespect to Mr. Martindale, but there's a reason the game show host stereotype is pretty much lifted from his hosting of TTD - but he was better than Barry. Jack's hosting always seemed too stiff and as though he were just going through the motions.
-
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'142877\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 10:05 AM\']Why is it odd? The shows have aged horribly; [/quote] Match Game is just as old, so is Password. The whole point is to watch episodes of old game shows. But you're too busy piling chips on your shoulder to understand that.
the formats were boring and uninspired,
I'm not sure what you're expecting when the main set piece is a slot machine or a tic-tac-toe board. I thought the genius of both shows was in their simplicity. Pull lever, pick category, win a few bucks. It's television, for crying out loud. We get to have a bit of fun for a half-hour, enjoy people playing a game, and forget our troubles. I welcomed it. As it happens, those were the least watched shows on the network. When you have a ranked list of things, something has to be lowest rated, that's how things are.
and the hosts on both shows (though Barry is better than Wink, IMO) weren't anything special either.
I completely disagree. Sure, Wink will always have a job hawking Eazy Cheeze, but he was much better than Jack, in my opinion.
So, Mark, why are you back? Just to shoot down everything that people say? If you don't actually like anything pertaining to game shows, there's really no reason for you to contribute.
-
I find it odd since both shows had healthy runs in their day that were pretty much ended for reasons outside of their intended quality (see: host changes). I figure at least one of the two could catch the eyes of people who grew up watching them in the 70s and 80s. Me personally, I can't stand to watch much TTD, and Joker can wear on me over time.
-Jason
-
[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'142891\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 10:58 AM\']
I'm thoroughly curious now. Is there anybody else in the country on this forum who favors Jack Barry's performance over that of Wink?
[/quote]
Yeah, right over here. Just not a huge Wink fan. Barry at least brought a unique style to the table.
-
I'm thoroughly curious now. Is there anybody else in the country on this forum who favors Jack Barry's performance over that of Wink?
Well...Wink finished (IIRC) in my top 5 best hosts of all time, Barry didn't make my top 20. Having said that, I always preferred Joker's Wild over Tic Tac Dough, and find it disappointing that GSN never got past the first 8 months of the re-discovered CBS run.
Maybe the ratings weren't that great 6 or 7 years ago, but perhaps it wouldn't hurt to give it another shot. Things do change. If they were to do that, maybe jump ahead to the '74-75 CBS season - by then the show was a well-oiled machine and had the bonus game we were more familiar with.
-
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'142901\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 03:35 PM\']Yeah, right over here. Just not a huge Wink fan. Barry at least brought a unique style to the table.[/quote]
An appropriate comment, considering what most tables are made of. ;)
I'm no huge fan of Wink, but he had two big plusses over Barry IMO: he had warmth, and he spoke animatedly but clearly. The only way Jack could build suspense was with pauses, since "You will have won a total of $34,000" always sounded exactly like "Bing Crosby for $50, here's the question".
-
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' post=\'142946\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 05:26 PM\']
An appropriate comment, considering what most tables are made of. ;)
I'm no huge fan of Wink, but he had two big plusses over Barry IMO: he had warmth, and he spoke animatedly but clearly. The only way Jack could build suspense was with pauses, since "You will have won a total of $34,000" always sounded exactly like "Bing Crosby for $50, here's the question".
[/quote]
Not disagreeing in the least. Just didn't bother me. Wink seemed like...well, like a stereotypical game-show host.
-
Whoo... lot of random love/hate here on this one.
First, I'll admit surprise to Joker and Tic being as badly-rated as they were. But I agree in giving them another shot somewhere. I mean, I think we can all agree that if they're gonna give Child's Play another shot...
Same goes for Wheel. Even if I didn't watch, I've been curious why it hasn't been around in a while, either. Same reason, perhaps? That one would really surprise me.
Meanwhile, Wink and Jack? I'll side with Wink as the better one, but I'll say that the only reason Jack sounds like he's "going through the motions", as some of you said, is because really, that's just how he sounds. He never commanded power or excitement in his voice the way a lot of others did. But he's still just as great, I'm not taking that away from him.
-
Maybe one of the reasons Match Game continues to be the highest-rated GSN rerun is its "anything can happen" atmosphere. Both Joker and TTD had a "the same goddamn thing's gonna happen over and over again" quality. Obviously that was more popular in the early '80s than now -- but also, remember there weren't a lot of five-a-week syndie options at the time that could be run in the daytime or early prime.
-
Here's a thought (for what it's worth):
When Joker and Tic Tac were in first run (and in their ratings prime), for most of the time until 1984 there was no Jeopardy! on the air to challenge the two B&E quiz shows with tougher material and a faster-paced game. Once Jeopardy! took off (again) in 1985 or so, Joker and Tic Tac looked far inferior by comparison.
-
[quote name=\'Tony\' post=\'143294\' date=\'Jan 14 2007, 09:01 PM\']
Here's a thought (for what it's worth):
When Joker and Tic Tac were in first run (and in their ratings prime), for most of the time until 1984 there was no Jeopardy! on the air to challenge the two B&E quiz shows with tougher material and a faster-paced game. Once Jeopardy! took off (again) in 1985 or so, Joker and Tic Tac looked far inferior by comparison.
[/quote]
Didn't think of it that way, that's for sure. Very good point.
Then again, also at the same time, TTD and Joker also showed the signs of waning at the same time that Jeopardy started up again.
In Tic's case, the need to have three red categories on the board dragged out many single games, and killed tons of tie possibilities. I was fine with a limit of two, but seeing the early years with Thom and others playing two or three ties before a winner was crowned, that's just good TV.
In Joker's case, you had the obvious problem... and we love Bill, yes, but at that time, he was understandably too slow for a game that was meant to be so much faster. Probably one of the few times in my life where I'd say that going with Bill was the wrong call. But we liked him enough to go two more years, so hey, share some quarters and let me have a pull.
-
[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'143176\' date=\'Jan 13 2007, 10:14 PM\']
Maybe one of the reasons Match Game continues to be the highest-rated GSN rerun is its "anything can happen" atmosphere. Both Joker and TTD had a "the same goddamn thing's gonna happen over and over again" quality.
[/quote]
Well put! I mean, that's common to a lot of game shows.
Maybe avoiding that trap is the reason Goodson/Todman shows worked so well. I think "Blockbusters" was the exception that proves the rule. As clever as aspects of the game were, and even with Uncle Bill, they fell into a groove.
Watching "High Rollers" on the Page O' Clips, it struck me that way. I think even Marshall "Hollywood Squares" fell into it--there were always great zingers, but by the time they got to the 80s the stars weren't surprising and the game felt exactly the same, day after day.
I've always felt if "Joker's Wild" had a good endgame, it could maybe break out of it.
-
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'143769\' date=\'Jan 18 2007, 04:51 PM\']
Maybe avoiding that trap is the reason Goodson/Todman shows worked so well. I think "Blockbusters" was the exception that proves the rule. As clever as aspects of the game were, and even with Uncle Bill, they fell into a groove.
Watching "High Rollers" on the Page O' Clips, it struck me that way. I think even Marshall "Hollywood Squares" fell into it--there were always great zingers, but by the time they got to the 80s the stars weren't surprising and the game felt exactly the same, day after day.
[/quote]
Almost every game show seems the same from day to day -- that even happened to MG at times. Only The Gong Show (which barely qualifies as a game show) really fell out of that altogether, and that burned out lightning fast.
Most of the B-E games bored me -- even Break the Bank and Hollywood Connection, in comparison to their heritage shows, seemed too staid by comparison. (My thoughts for that are Jim Lange probably wouldn't have known what to do if the celebs went way off the page, and the BtB celebs were probably scared to death they'd fall of the board.)
-
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' post=\'143324\' date=\'Jan 15 2007, 12:47 AM\']
But we liked him enough to go two more years, so hey, share some quarters and let me have a pull.
[/quote]
I suppose I'm one of the few that wished Jim Peck would have gotten the job instead?
-
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'143835\' date=\'Jan 18 2007, 11:29 PM\']
I suppose I'm one of the few that wished Jim Peck would have gotten the job instead?
[/quote]
And just like that, "Tomarkenites" become "Peckerwoods." :)
-
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'143835\' date=\'Jan 19 2007, 02:29 AM\']
I suppose I'm one of the few that wished Jim Peck would have gotten the job instead?
[/quote]
Count me among them...as much as I enjoy Cullen, TJW just wasn't his kind of show...Peck was better equipped to handle the fast-paced gameplay associated w/it, and I think Barry's original plan to hand the show off to Peck would've worked better.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")