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So having friends who live in Australia hath its priveleges: I have a DVD of the first week of Temptation.
What I would like to know is, for those who follow TV ratings closely, is there a way to conveniently tell if it's doing well? The production values are GREAT, and I'd LIKE to think people are watching it, but of course we've seen much better shows crash and burn over the years...
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 12:05 PM\']So having friends who live in Australia hath its priveleges: I have a DVD of the first week of Temptation.
What I would like to know is, for those who follow TV ratings closely, is there a way to conveniently tell if it's doing well? The production values are GREAT, and I'd LIKE to think people are watching it, but of course we've seen much better shows crash and burn over the years...
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I dont know why you are bragging about beeing able to see a few episodes of Temptation, wow big deal.
Ive seen a few episodes and I agree about the production values are over the top, to the point where it might get to fancy for people to watch, like Who wants to be a millionaire has.
But it lacks life in the show, to be honest I find the host incredibly bland, the only thing good is his eye candy co host.
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I dont know why you are bragging about beeing able to see a few episodes of Temptation, wow big deal.
Because he has a show that is not being broadcast in the US, of an exciting version of a fan favorite game show.
I did the same thing when I got the Leslie Crowther TPIR ep, so why shouldn't he do the same?
Ive seen a few episodes and I agree about the production values are over the top, to the point where it might get to fancy for people to watch, like Who wants to be a millionaire has.
But it lacks life in the show, to be honest I find the host incredibly bland, the only thing good is his eye candy co host.
So what did you expect? The same production values of the 1980s? It seems that modernization=BAD to many people around here, and I don't get that.
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[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 08:45 AM\']I dont know why you are bragging about beeing able to see a few episodes of Temptation, wow big deal.
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Because we haven't had a form of $ale of the Century in the US in 16 years, except for reruns. Austrailia has had it on and off since the early-80s. Do you mind?
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[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 06:45 AM\']But it lacks life in the show, to be honest I find the host incredibly bland, the only thing good is his eye candy co host.
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It's just as well, then, that I find your opinion about pretty much anything to be completely irrelevant.
I found Ed to be quite the opposite. He's a good reader (which is the #1 quality any $otC host should have), and he drives a hard bargain during the Gift Shop segments: in the second show, he's trying to get a guy to buy a digital SLR camera, and the guy's not biting...the cash bribe skyrocketed to two grand before Ed finally gave up.
And Livinia is a _little_ more than eye candy...she participates in the contestant interviews at the top of the show, but yes, her main function is to look nice presenting the Gift Shop and shopping segments, and she does those just fine.
The whole show just leaves you with that "Wow. It IS possible to do it right." feeling.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 01:38 PM\'][quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 06:45 AM\']But it lacks life in the show, to be honest I find the host incredibly bland, the only thing good is his eye candy co host.
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It's just as well, then, that I find your opinion about pretty much anything to be completely irrelevant.
I found Ed to be quite the opposite. He's a good reader (which is the #1 quality any $otC host should have), and he drives a hard bargain during the Gift Shop segments: in the second show, he's trying to get a guy to buy a digital SLR camera, and the guy's not biting...the cash bribe skyrocketed to two grand before Ed finally gave up.
And Livinia is a _little_ more than eye candy...she participates in the contestant interviews at the top of the show, but yes, her main function is to look nice presenting the Gift Shop and shopping segments, and she does those just fine.
The whole show just leaves you with that "Wow. It IS possible to do it right." feeling.
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Well, we would have to have a sourpuss on here to ruin things for the rest of us. I'm glad Chris got his DVD. I'd love to see more of the show myself. I said "WOW" when I first saw it back in the 80s in the US, and I said the same thing when I took a look at the snippets of Temptation that are available online. I really do hope it comes back to America, and to hell with the sourpuss' opinion.
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 12:48 PM\']Well, we would have to have a sourpuss on here to ruin things for the rest of us. I'm glad Chris got his DVD. I'd love to see more of the show myself.
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Then we shall make that happen. I'm not active in the trading circuit, nor do I wish to be, and I'm not gonna make 47 copies for people, but I do want to take a stab at remastering this thing (it came to me without any kind of navigational menu, and I'm thinking I should be able to add one pretty easily), and once I have done that I will track a few people who are in the circuit down so we can get a few copies of this into circulation and start spreading the love. :)
(Unless it's already out there. I know Donegan mentioned he was getting it too.)
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I'm converting the tape for Donegan (thanks Chuck!), and I agree, the show is very solid.
The only, very minor, nitpicky thing, is that they decided to overuse The Font That Every Dramatic Overseas Quiz Show Has Used For Seven Years.
The new set, the little cash game at the end, extra rapid fire rounds: sweet. I enjoy it. There's no reason this show as it airs in Australia couldn't work as a prime access show here.
PS: That Crowther TPiR ep was a real treat as well. Complete, over the top, glitz. LOVED IT!
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Yes I am a sourpuss when it comes to this game, its over hyped and what ever people say the host which I cant even remeber since he's bland and generic to me.
I would love this show to sprout many international spin offs im not complaining about that I know the UK will get one, one day its been to long since Cheggers got booted off Challenge TV thank god might I had.
I said that bragging coment because I hate people to brag what ever they went out of thier way to get a hold of a copy come on its a video or DVD containing video.
What I also dont like is also this might seem weird the podiums to the right of the camera and im used to it on the left of the camera here in the UK.
Enjoy whoever gets a copy of this show Ive got a feeling it wont be lasting long, its to expensive for Nine Networks already failing budget.
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[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 03:26 PM\']What I also dont like is also this might seem weird the podiums to the right of the camera and im used to it on the left of the camera here in the UK.
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So, if "The Price is Right" changes the red podium to pink, will that ruin it for you too?
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[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 01:26 PM\']I said that bragging coment because I hate people to brag what ever they went out of thier way to get a hold of a copy come on its a video or DVD containing video.
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My intent was not to brag, I was merely providing context for my question.
What I also dont like is also this might seem weird the podiums to the right of the camera and im used to it on the left of the camera here in the UK.
Yeah, that's an exceedingly asinine reason to dislike a show.
Enjoy whoever gets a copy of this show Ive got a feeling it wont be lasting long, its to expensive for Nine Networks already failing budget.
Based on your past sputterings I won't worry overmuch about placing a lot of stock in that assessment either.
On a more interesting note: can any font hounds provide unto me the name and/or location of a reasonable facsimile to the font used on the show?
EDIT: I have discovered the font is Bank Gothic, if that helps anyone.
EDIT AGAIN: Casey Buck came through for me. Thank you, Casey!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 05:22 PM\']On a more interesting note: can any font hounds provide unto me the name and/or location of a reasonable facsimile to the font used on the show?
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Based on your past sputterings I won't worry overmuch about placing a lot of stock in that assessment either.
clemon79 even you even bother to read how Nine Networks money worries are I which you clearly dont, why are you even commentating.
Also the quote about the podiums its not a reason I dislike it just on that its just that its not right to me, I dislike the show because its to ritzy, the host is crap and so on.
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[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 07:34 PM\']clemon79 even you even bother to read how Nine Networks money worries are I which you clearly dont, why are you even commentating.
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I recognize the above as English, and yet I still don't have any idea what the hell he said.
Also the quote about the podiums its not a reason I dislike it just on that its just that its not right to me,
Let's go to the videotape, shall we?
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Don't like? Dislike? Sounds the same to me.
I dislike the show because its to ritzy, the host is crap and so on.
Your opinion. Based on a complete absence of aesthetic sense, but your opinion.
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with regard to the people who are bragging that they have seen some episodes of temptation, why don't you put it as a torrent or on ares.
Have a great evening
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You really think your something dont you, does elitism come to mind, dont ever try to talk down to anyone on a forum about English skills or anything else for that matter, who do you think you are?
I know it will be me ended up getting the worst end of this trying to speak my mind.
I am entiled to an opinon as much as the next person here oh wait im not a snob am I and speak away from the masses oppinon of getting exicted over nothing at all.
Im trying to post here, to add something other than its a great show blah blah blah.
Now if you want a translator go out and find someone with a GCSE in English from Wales who can understand ramblings at 4am in the morning.
Me no speaky english very well see.
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[quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 10:01 PM\']You really think your something dont you, does elitism come to mind, dont ever try to talk down to anyone on a forum about English skills or anything else for that matter, who do you think you are?
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He's Chris Lemon. :)
When you fail to use sentence structure, proper grammar, and punctuation, you come off as unintellegent.
Which looks better:
Don Howard and Mike Klauss might go to the Game Show Convention.
or, does this look better:
don howard and mike klauss mite go to the game show cuhnventun
Your choice.
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I consider my brother to be very intelligent, yet he fails to capitalize words and the like when talking online. He says there's no reason to, but I tell him quite plainly it's the way I can separate the dumb from the smart when I'm in forums or chat.
Maybe it's not right in all cases (as above) but obviously a lot of our posters who know when to use Shift and when to include a comma seem to have their stuff together, too.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 09:17 PM\']He says there's no reason to, but I tell him quite plainly it's the way I can separate the dumb from the smart when I'm in forums or chat.
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I appreciate ESL situations, but it's always been my feeling that if you think your posts are important enough that other people should read them, you should have enough pride in them to make them as coherent and pleasant to read as possible. And that means spelling correctly, punctuating correctly, quoting correctly, all of that.
If, on the other hand, all you care about is reading your own posts, then dowhatchalike, because if you keep it up you'll be the only one reading them.
[quote name=\'pyramid100\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 07:54 PM\']with regard to the people who are bragging that they have seen some episodes of temptation, why don't you put it as a torrent or on ares.
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...and why doesn't THIS surprise me in the least.
Hey, are you the same dude who was mooching 20K Pyramid clips back in the day?
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 11:17 PM\']He says there's no reason to, but I tell him quite plainly it's the way I can separate the dumb from the smart when I'm in forums or chat.
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How true. It could be Bob Eubanks posting, but if he typed poorly, and his handle wasn't recognizable, I'd make the assumption he was an idiot as well.
[quote name=\'pyramid\']with regard to the people who are bragging that they have seen some episodes of temptation, why don't you put it as a torrent or on ares.[/quote]
Always something for nothing anymore, ain't it.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 10:25 PM\'][quote name=\'remlap\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 10:01 PM\']You really think your something dont you, does elitism come to mind, dont ever try to talk down to anyone on a forum about English skills or anything else for that matter, who do you think you are?
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He's Chris Lemon. :)
When you fail to use sentence structure, proper grammar, and punctuation, you come off as unintellegent.
Which looks better:
Don Howard and Mike Klauss might go to the Game Show Convention.
or, does this look better:
don howard and mike klauss mite go to the game show cuhnventun
Your choice.
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And I was going to comment on your poor use of Her Majesty's English, but it's not necessary. Modor did it above. Who am I to comment? I'm Prof. Jeff Wm. Justice, Ph.D.
I also happen to be the giver of the Scarecrow Award on this forum for those posts that could have and should have had a lot more thought put into them before they were posted. Any one of your posts on this thread make you a nominee, and the loser is (opens envelope, drumroll sounds) YOU! Then again, this one was a foregone conclusion as you were the sole nominee.
What's that you say? No winner? That's right. No one 'wins' a Scarecrow on the forum.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 06:05 AM\']
What I would like to know is, for those who follow TV ratings closely, is there a way to conveniently tell if it's doing well? The production values are GREAT, and I'd LIKE to think people are watching it, but of course we've seen much better shows crash and burn over the years...
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There are some Australian ratings reports available at the oztam (http://\"http://www.oztam.com.au/weeklydownloads.aspx\") website.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 10:07 PM\']There are some Australian ratings reports available at the oztam (http://\"http://www.oztam.com.au/weeklydownloads.aspx\") website.
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Thank you, Jimmy! For those interested, the pertinent report is:
http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2005/E_20050717.pdf (http://\"http://www.oztam.com.au/documents/2005/E_20050717.pdf\")
...and lists Temptation at 20th overall, is the only game show in the Top 20, and is the only COMPETITION show aside from Big Brother on the list. And the difference between 20th and 14th is about eighty thousand viewers. I'm gonna take that as being optimistic.
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...and lists Temptation at 20th overall, is the only game show in the Top 20, and is the only COMPETITION show aside from Big Brother on the list. And the difference between 20th and 14th is about eighty thousand viewers. I'm gonna take that as being optimistic.
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Just to put things in perspective, the CIA World Factbook puts Australia's population at just over 20 million, less than 10% of that of the US. I still think there's room for optimism, including optimism that the show will make its way to America's shores, again.
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When you are in the same list as Big Brother (which, from what I have heard in some circles, is very popular overseas) and Desperate Housewives, there is definitely a reason to be optimistic. I do wish Temptation a lot of success.
I am glad that Mr. Lemon did get some episodes of the show. I bet that the pacing is rather frenetic since they cram so much in a 30-minute package.
With the right people behind and in front of the camera, this show could very well work in the U.S. We've been due for a reincarnated version of $ale for quite a long time.
The Inquisitive One
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 11:12 PM\']Just to put things in perspective, the CIA World Factbook puts Australia's population at just over 20 million, less than 10% of that of the US.
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Interesting. And a report in the Australian Journal of Educational Technology (citation: http://www.ascilite.org.au/ajet/ajet10/oliver.html) (http://\"http://www.ascilite.org.au/ajet/ajet10/oliver.html)\") cites that 99% of Australian homes have a television. (I find that a little surprising...is the population that concentrated in the cities? Do the Aborigines watch television in the Outback? :)). So we can use that number to convert what we have to a Nielsen-style rating. 1.3 / 20 would give us the percentage of all people watching the show, so that's a 6.5 rating. If I read the OZTAM reports right, it appears that the HUT number (Homes Using Television, the number of homes with a television that is actually turned ON) is about 85% of all homes, which is 17 million. So 1.3 / 17 would give us a 7.6 share.
To wit (and I realize this is TOTALLY apples and oranges, but this is all playing with numbers anyhow), last week in the States, a 6.5 rating would have been good for a tie for fourth with NCIS and one of the Law And Orders.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 31 2005, 07:35 PM\'][quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 11:12 PM\']Just to put things in perspective, the CIA World Factbook puts Australia's population at just over 20 million, less than 10% of that of the US.
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Interesting. And a report in the Australian Journal of Educational Technology (citation: http://www.ascilite.org.au/ajet/ajet10/oliver.html) (http://\"http://www.ascilite.org.au/ajet/ajet10/oliver.html)\") cites that 99% of Australian homes have a television. (I find that a little surprising...is the population that concentrated in the cities? Do the Aborigines watch television in the Outback? :)).
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At the risk of getting off-topic, yes, most of the population is concentrated in urban areas and along the coasts. Geographically, it's roughly the size of the continental US (actually, AUS is a bit larger). Yet, it only has six states and two territories. The interior is largely desert and barely inhabitable. Sad to say, I can't speak for the Aboriginees. I'll direct you to our Australian friends for an answer on that one.
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Australian gameshows have shockingly good production values when you consider how few people they are broadcasting to. Aussie BB, Deal or No Deal, Wheel of Fortune and The Mole were all very, very slick and nicely done.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 05:26 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 30 2005, 05:22 PM\']On a more interesting note: can any font hounds provide unto me the name and/or location of a reasonable facsimile to the font used on the show?
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Hey Chris:
Can you post a screencap?
I might be able to find it for you.
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' date=\'Aug 1 2005, 07:59 PM\']Hey Chris:
Can you post a screencap?
I might be able to find it for you.
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Thanks, but you didn't see my post above. Casey Buck came through and got it for me. It's all good. :)
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...and why doesn't THIS surprise me in the least.
Hey, are you the same dude who was mooching 20K Pyramid clips back in the day?
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no i didn't know about those. I only bring up torrents because other sites have posted files of their game shows, all they ask is that the people who download them keep the completed file up for awhile so that others can download the episode.
I know that tape trading is the standard but I believe its time to step into the 21st century. It would be interesting to find out how many people would support said site with files and money. I know webspace and bandwidth does not come cheap.
I know I will get yelled at for this idea but I'm willing to post it anyway because I think it is something that game show viewers would love to have. It would be a whole new GSN, we can post and view any shows that haven't been on that network (TPIR) for a long long time.
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[quote name=\'pyramid100\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 12:15 PM\']I know I will get yelled at for this idea but I'm willing to post it anyway because I think it is something that I would love to have.
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Fixed.
Torrents would only open up a whole new can of worms for what is a questionable practice as it is.
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[quote name=\'pyramid100\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 11:15 AM\']I only bring up torrents because other sites have posted files of their game shows, all they ask is that the people who download them keep the completed file up for awhile so that others can download the episode.
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Yes, we know, a quick look at your posting history shows constant requests for torrants. You haven't got one from here yet, have you.
Get the picture?
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[quote name=\'pyramid100\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 09:15 AM\']I know I will get yelled at for this idea but I'm willing to post it anyway because I think it is something that game show viewers would love to have. It would be a whole new GSN, we can post and view any shows that haven't been on that network (TPIR) for a long long time.
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The only reason you will get yelled at for it is because you are a shining example (and in fact the one I cited) of the beating-a-dead-horse syndrome I was referring to in another thread. You've already been told why torrents aren't gonna work, and you're hellbent on harping on it anyhow.
There. Aren't. Enough. Seeders. End of story.
But that isn't a problem, as long as you have a new source to leech from, right?
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 02:15 PM\']You've already been told why torrents aren't gonna work, and you're hellbent on harping on it anyhow.
There. Aren't. Enough. Seeders. End of story.
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I think speed is the problem (though you could probably link a lack of seeders to lack of speed). Takes forever to download.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 11:29 AM\']I think speed is the problem (though you could probably link a lack of seeders to lack of speed). Takes forever to download.
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You absolutely can, as this is prezactly how BitTorrent works. Also, your download and upload speeds are tied together, so if you're grabbing a file few people are interested in, you won't be upping to anyone, and your speeds will suffer. It _can_ be decent...last night I got a 1/2 hour program in Xvid format in about 20-30 minutes. But it had a boatload of seeders and was popular. For the most part, tho, no, it's not a service for the impatient.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 07:39 PM\'][quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 11:29 AM\']I think speed is the problem (though you could probably link a lack of seeders to lack of speed). Takes forever to download.
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You absolutely can, as this is prezactly how BitTorrent works. Also, your download and upload speeds are tied together, so if you're grabbing a file few people are interested in, you won't be upping to anyone, and your speeds will suffer. It _can_ be decent...last night I got a 1/2 hour program in Xvid format in about 20-30 minutes. But it had a boatload of seeders and was popular. For the most part, tho, no, it's not a service for the impatient.
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I think its possible ive seeded "mrcity" episodes of The Price Is Right on a tracker for him before, when his FTP was getting hammered it and it took no time, I have only got a 30kbps upload but still I have a number of people downloading from me and spreading through the torrent swarm.
I had seeded around 80% into the swarm and one person who started was getting 800kbps so in saying that theres atleast 2 people with really high upload and downloads it could be done pretty fast.
If I had a copy of temptation I could make into DIVX Id share right now, but I dont, where I watched it was live and crap quality and now dead.
Anyone willing to make one and ill point them in the right direction, if they dont know how.
Cheers.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 11:54 AM\']Yes, we know, a quick look at your posting history shows constant requests for torrants. You haven't got one from here yet, have you.
Get the picture?
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I can't give any BitTorrents, but I can direct the original poster to Torrance (http://\"http://www.ci.torrance.ca.us/\")! :-)