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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Neumms on April 26, 2010, 09:39:32 PM
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To branch off from another topic, imagine, if you will, recent game shows with Cullen (miraculously alive, I mean) at the helm? Which would fit, which wouldn't? Regis always joked they called Cullen first for WWTBAM?--how do you suppose it would go? Imagine him on Deal or No Deal, presumably on a stool next to the phone. The pace is already slow, and I think it would improve the program immensely to cut down the pacing back and forth.
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I think Bill could have made those mid-level GSN shows, like "That's the Question" and "Camouflage" a little more palatable. I know I would have watched them past the first week if Bill were at the helm.
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Basically, you don't fast-forward when Bill hosts a show.
To branch off from another topic, imagine, if you will, recent game shows with Cullen (miraculously alive, I mean) at the helm? Which would fit,
Taking into account Bill's limp (unless science is able to help him not have it), I could see him helm Jeopardy!, Wheel of Fortune, Caesars Challenge, and Street Smarts. If Bill wanted to host abroad, the British Deal or No Deal would definitely work.
Debt, Jumble, Shuffle, Boggle, and Trivial Pursuit were set up in such a way that you'd have to change very little to accommodate Bill. WinTuition would work with a changed host introduction, and the latter-era Shop 'Til You Drop could also work (although all the fun had been sucked out of that show when Roberto took over).
And trust me when I say I would've watched Crosswords and Temptation every freakin' day if Bill had been host.
which wouldn't?
The ones that come to mind are Family Feud, The Price Is Right (1972), Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?, Don't Forget The Lyrics!, and Million-Dollar Password. Shows like Supermarket Sweep and Pat Finn's Shop 'Til You Drop, given the need for the host to be mobile, just weren't meant to work with Bill.
Regis always joked they called Cullen first for WWTBAM?--how do you suppose it would go?
Depends on the version. For the ABC run, Bill could've filled all those dead-air instances (aka "contestants taking half an hour on a single question") very well. As for moving back and forth for Fastest Finger, the camera would show the contestant walking out while Bill moved back to the Fastest Finger position.
The syndicated version likely would've had Bill remain seated throughout the show.
/part of me hopes Bill was time-frozen before his death
//the rest of me knows that didn't happen
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240062\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 01:25 AM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'240049\' date=\'Apr 26 2010, 09:39 PM\']...imagine, if you will, recent game shows with Cullen (miraculously alive, I mean) at the helm? Which would fit[?][/quote]
Taking into account Bill's limp (unless science is able to help him not have it), among the shows I could see him helm are Jeopardy!, Wheel Of Fortune, Caesars Challenge, and Street Smarts. If Bill wanted to host abroad, the British Deal Or No Deal would definitely work.
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What era of Bill are we talking in this hypothetical situation? If it's 80s Bill, I don't see him doing "Jeopardy!" at all. If it's 1974 Bill, yes. (He buzzsaws through "Three on a Match" in the episodes that are out there.)
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Going to go slightly off the board with Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader. Pace is slow enough that Bill's comedic side can come out.
/Million-Dollar Password?
//Million-Dollar Pyramid?
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Good point about the time era. I was thinking the same thing. For whatever reason Bill was so frustratingly slow on JOKER (maybe Dan Enright figured slower pace-less game per show-more money saved), I have a hard time putting him about anywhere. Actually, take the 70's prime Bill, I could even see him doing classic or the Winkler Hollywood Squares. I can just hear him chuckling over some of the questions. Heck, put him back in the current Chain Reaction.
Thinking back on the mess that was MG's Crosswords, I'm wondering if Treadway's hosting may not have deserved such a bad rap. That show had so many questions that had to fit in a half-hour there really wasn't time or room for being more personal and interactive. Perhaps a smaller puzzle with fewer questions would have given Treadway some room to be more than a clue spitter. Maybe, maybe not.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'240068\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 03:03 AM\']If it's 80s Bill, I don't see him doing "Jeopardy!" at all.[/quote]
Bill: Question coming. Here it comes after the player selects a category and a value. Each player is trying to earn enough money to come back tomorrow. Get ready for the question. Players with their hands on the buzzers. Here comes the question. Kathy, pick a category and a value. You're trying to find the Daily Double.
Kathy: I'll take Animal Noises for $200, Bill.
Bill: Ok here it comes, everybody get ready. Hands on your buzzers. This D animal makes a noise that sounds like "quack"
Kathy: What is a duck?
Bill: That's right, Kathy! You know, I once stepped on a duck and he sent me his doctor's bill...but that's a story for another time. Pick again, Kathy.
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'240073\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 09:15 AM\']Bill: Question coming. Here it comes after the player selects a category and a value. Each player is trying to earn enough money to come back tomorrow. Get ready for the question. Players with their hands on the buzzers. Here comes the question. Kathy, pick a category and a value. You're trying to find the Daily Double.
Kathy: I'll take Animal Noises for $200, Bill.
Bill: Ok here it comes, everybody get ready. Hands on your buzzers. This D animal makes a noise that sounds like "quack"
Kathy: What is a duck?
Bill: That's right, Kathy! You know, I once stepped on a duck and he sent me his doctor's bill...but that's a story for another time. Pick again, Kathy.[/quote]
Brilliantly done! I'm amused.
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Seconded. Reading that, my mind showed me Bill on Jeopardy! -- and it worked. Slowed down the game, sure, but the early Trebek shows were like that as well (on the Premiere, for instance, where two entire categories aren't touched due to the required rule explanations).
As for the best set, I'm leaning heavily toward Trebek Season 1 -- Bill's limp would've easily been masked by the giant neon letters as he made his entrance, and from the left side of the "J" it's just a few steps to the podium.
Trebek Pilot #1 also works, given that the podium was very close to the entrance point. That said, I've never seen Bill ascend/descend stairs, so I don't know for certain.
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How about Bill "crossing the pond" and hosting Countdown?
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Since J! was originally conceived as a comedy game, Bill might have fit in well. Art sorta made it conform to his style.
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[quote name=\'irwinsjournal.com\' post=\'240085\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 03:49 PM\']How about Bill "crossing the pond" and hosting Countdown?[/quote]
I think this is win.
As long as we're fantasizing, though, let's not lose hijm to the UK, let's just have him host an American version. Even, if we must, one with celebrities. (http://\"http://www.usgameshows.net/x.php?show=Countdown1990&sort=0\")
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And a bonus round. And a $25,000 bonus for a nine-letter word. And no Numbers Games or Conundrums.
I'm sorry, Matt, but they'd have to mount a better pilot if they wanted Bill -- Countdown shouldn't be dumbed-down for American audiences, because a dumbed-down Countdown just isn't Countdown.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240091\' date=\'Apr 28 2010, 12:07 AM\']And a bonus round. And a $25,000 bonus for a nine-letter word. And no Numbers Games or Conundrums.
I'm sorry, Matt, but they'd have to mount a better pilot if they wanted Bill -- Countdown should not be dumbed-down for American audiences, because a dumbed-down Countdown just isn't Countdown.[/quote]
I always thought an Americanized Countdown belongs on PBS. No big budget, keep the Numbers Game and Conundrum, and still offer the leather-bound dictionary as the grand prize*.
If there should be a reward for winning a regular game (do the Brits do that?), I'd offer something small, like a gift card to Brookstone ($500 or $1,000), or even Barnes and Noble (I could lose my mind in either store), and maybe $100 card for the runner-up. Small, yet satisfying (that's not what she said)...
*According to Amazon, (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-English-Dictionary-Leather-Twenty/dp/0191958921\") a $6,000 value!
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240062\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 01:25 AM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'240049\' date=\'Apr 26 2010, 09:39 PM\']which [shows] wouldn't [work]?[/quote]
Among others...Family Feud, (snip) and Million-Dollar Password.[/quote]
Why do you say those two?
1. If you're talking about the visit-each-team-member aspect of Feud, they could have staged it the same way they did Hot Potato. And while he wouldn't have been as funny as Dawson, he was funny enough on the shows he did that he still could have made the show his own.
2. He hosted $25KP for five seasons, although they had to stage that differently as well. Why couldn't he have done MDP? To me, the best reason not to have him host would be the desire to keep him available as a celeb player.
I second the exclusion of modern-day J! and TPIR. I think he'd be fine on Wheel. I'd love to hear his comments on the puzzles.
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I always thought an Americanized Countdown belongs on PBS. No big budget, keep the Numbers Game and Conundrum, and still offer the leather-bound dictionary as the grand prize*.
If there should be a reward for winning a regular game (do the Brits do that?), I'd offer something small, like a gift card to Brookstone ($500 or $1,000), or even Barnes and Noble (I could lose my mind in either store), and maybe $100 card for the runner-up. Small, yet satisfying
Countdown awards a neat-looking custom-made teapot to regular-game winners, one for each day if I'm not mistaken. The teapots aren't sold in stores, though, and the earlier ones have become collector's items since the teapots changed when the set did IIRC.
Agreed on the gift-card rewards, but at least throw in the Countdown Teapot.
1. If you're talking about the visit-each-team-member aspect of Feud, they could have staged it the same way they did Hot Potato. And while he wouldn't have been as funny as Dawson, he was funny enough on the shows he did that he still could have made the show his own.
Fair point, but what about Fast Money?
2. He hosted $25KP for five seasons, although they had to stage that differently as well. Why couldn't he have done MDP? To me, the best reason not to have him host would be the desire to keep him available as a celeb player.
I excluded Million-Dollar Password (not to be confused with Million-Dollar Pyramid) because of the whole standing-up-all-the-time principle the show had for some reason. They threw out 38 years of format improvements for one that was putrid and, worse, self-contained.
I second the exclusion of modern-day J! and TPIR. I think he'd be fine on Wheel. I'd love to hear his comments on the puzzles.
Agreed, but Bill on Wheel would only work if he entered from the right-hand side.
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The Apprentice. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETnl3KPoPiY\")
/so confused...
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'240107\' date=\'Apr 28 2010, 05:05 PM\']The Apprentice. (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETnl3KPoPiY\")
/so confused...[/quote]
I know. Isn't that terrific?
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Remembering that Bill would be 90 if he were still with us, assuming he still had most of hid mental faculties, here's what I see him hosting:
Millionaire - a natural for him, but start the clock AFTER he reads the choices.
5th Grader - he could be seated behind a teacher's desk next to the contestant
Pyramid/Donnymid - he proved he could do it
Million Dollar Password - just put a chair behind the podium
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[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'240121\' date=\'Apr 29 2010, 07:39 AM\']Million Dollar Password - just put a chair behind the podium[/quote]
Maybe they could get a deal and buy four more chairs while they're at it.
I like the teacher's desk, too. Blockbusters showed how elegantly Bill's disability could be handled and had a unique look because of it. (Not that Bill didn't handle it elegantly himself.)
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[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'240121\' date=\'Apr 29 2010, 05:39 AM\']Million Dollar Password - just put a chair behind the podium[/quote]
IIRC, there already *was* one, you just didn't see Regis use it much on camera.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240102\' date=\'Apr 28 2010, 02:27 PM\']And I agree on the gift-card rewards, but at least throw in the Countdown Teapot.[/quote]Yes, those ever-popular American teas.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240102\' date=\'Apr 28 2010, 02:27 PM\']Countdown awards a neat-looking custom-made teapot to regular-game winners, one for each day if I'm not mistaken. The teapots are not sold in stores, however, and the earlier ones have become collector's items because the teapots changed when the set did IIRC.[/quote]
Incorrect; you get the teapot on your first win only. Otherwise there would be a bunch showing up on ebay!
Winners eventually get the leatherbound Oxford English Dictionary for a finals win; the runner up gets a 1000 pound cash prize.
Runner-ups on the show get a full Oxford English Dictionary, a copy of Suzie's latest book, a pen, a clock, and a nice travel bag to put your goodies in. (http://\"http://picasaweb.google.com/107574956315069804675/TheVickSWorldTourSpanningTwoDecades?authkey=Gv1sRgCLnE_bGvzYKqSw#5418564266833550706\") as well as your name card. (http://\"http://picasaweb.google.com/107574956315069804675/TheVickSWorldTourSpanningTwoDecades?authkey=Gv1sRgCLnE_bGvzYKqSw#5418564279192903522\") And if you ask nicely, you can get your numbers game solution. (http://\"http://picasaweb.google.com/107574956315069804675/TheVickSWorldTourSpanningTwoDecades?authkey=Gv1sRgCLnE_bGvzYKqSw#5418561765637237778\")
Countdown, while it doesn't give away massive prizes, treats its contestants superbly. All my meals were paid for, as well as two nights in a hotel, taxi transportation to/from train station and to/from studio, as well as money towards train fare. I really felt like a king for that tape day.
Ryan.
/still would love to have that teapot though :)
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Got $107.71 on you? (http://cgi.ebay.com/SWINESIDE-TEAPOTTERY-COUNTDOWN-TEAPOT-/110523401684) (£1 British = ~$1.54 Canadian.)
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240138\' date=\'Apr 30 2010, 12:54 AM\'][quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'240130\' date=\'Apr 29 2010, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240102\' date=\'Apr 28 2010, 02:27 PM\']Countdown awards a neat-looking custom-made teapot to regular-game winners, one for each day if I'm not mistaken. The teapots are not sold in stores, however, and the earlier ones have become collector's items because the teapots changed when the set did IIRC.[/quote]Incorrect; you get the teapot on your first win only. Otherwise there would be a bunch showing up on ebay!
/still would love to have that teapot though :)[/quote]
Got $107.71 on you? (http://\"http://cgi.ebay.com/SWINESIDE-TEAPOTTERY-COUNTDOWN-TEAPOT-/110523401684?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Collectables_Teapots_RL&hash=item19bbb545d4\")
/£1 British = ~$1.54 Canadian.
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Well there you go!
Although they have changed the design overtime and it now says "Countdown Winner".
R.
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This is actually an interesting topic plus this could lead into a topic about other classic hosts doing modern shows; although that topic has been probably done on game show messge boards before but still I think it would be fun to think about.
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[quote name=\'irwinsjournal.com\' post=\'240085\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 03:49 PM\']How about Bill "crossing the pond" and hosting Countdown?[/quote]
Frankly, between Bill's spontaneous sense of witty banter and the letter selections tending to spell out unusual words, if Bill was at the helm when the letter selection spelled out "CUNTFLAPS" or any other word to that effect, the show would've ground to a screeching halt. Now I love Bill's sense of quick wit, but I know for certain the show's proceedings would've been halted while he put his 2 cents in. For that matter, the show had more of a serious and intellectual vibe that I'm not sure if Bill's humor would've been the best fit or the most appropriate.
Just my opinion.
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[quote name=\'GameShowGuru\' post=\'240144\' date=\'Apr 30 2010, 11:13 AM\']Frankly, between Bill's spontaneous sense of witty banter and the letter selections tending to spell out unusual words, if Bill was at the helm when the letter selection spelled out "CUNTFLAPS" or any other word to that effect, the show would've ground to a screeching halt.[/quote]
What a load of sloblock.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240081\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 09:50 AM\']Seconded. Reading that, my mind showed me Bill on Jeopardy! -- and it worked. Slowed down the game, sure, but the early Trebek shows were like that as well (look at the Premiere sometime -- two entire categories aren't touched).[/quote] I thought that so much of the material being unplayed had more to do with Triple Stumpers and wrong answers had much more to do with the slowing of the pace than direction to Alex.
The problem with the "Bill's slow" meme that Jake perpetuated upthread is that any producer could say "Pick up the pace, please, Bill." $25k Pyramid had a certain amount of material to get through in a day. Three on a Match flew through the material. If Mark Goodson wanted the game to move faster, he could have made it so. (And that's an interesting point; if you compare a Rafferty episode, how much faster did it move?)
I would much rather watch the slow and steady pace of Bill Cullen than the faux-drama buildups of Jack Barry or some hacky comic blundering his way through the show, or someone with no room to adlib trying to barnstorm through the material.
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'240086\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 12:52 PM\']Since J! was originally conceived as a comedy game, Bill might have fit in well. Art sorta made it conform to his style.[/quote]Did Comedy Jeopardy! make it out of the pilot stage? I thought those in charge realized that they would run out of the laughing gas after a month of shows, so they played it straight.
[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240102\' date=\'Apr 28 2010, 12:27 PM\']I excluded Million-Dollar Password (not to be confused with Million-Dollar Pyramid) because of the whole standing-up-all-the-time principle the show had for some dumb reason.[/quote]My guess is that they wanted to have the players able to celebrate after the winning moment without having to leap out of their chairs. And you're looking at up to six of those winning moments per half, just in the money round.
You may not like the forty years of tradition being thrown out, but things like that aren't done randomly.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'240155\' date=\'May 1 2010, 02:06 AM\']I would much rather watch the slow and steady pace of Bill Cullen than the faux-drama buildups of Jack Barry[/quote]
That got me thinking. I wonder how Jack Barry would do hosting a modern show?
Jack: "Is that your final answer?"
Mary: "Yes"
Jack: "You said B, now to continue on, this must be right right answer. If you are wrong, you will lose it all. This was a decision of great importance. I asked you the question "What is the color of a Stop sign?" I gave you the options of Green, Red, Yellow or Mauve. You told me you wanted B as your final answer. A choice that you made without lifelines. For the opportunity to stay in the game and see another question, Mary Richards of Denver, Colorado, your response is... RIGHT FOR $500!"
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'240156\' date=\'May 1 2010, 03:29 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'240155\' date=\'May 1 2010, 02:06 AM\']I would much rather watch the slow and steady pace of Bill Cullen than the faux-drama buildups of Jack Barry[/quote]
That got me thinking. I wonder how Jack Barry would do hosting a modern show?
Jack: "Is that your final answer?"
Mary: "Yes"
Jack: "You said B, now to continue on, this must be right right answer. If you are wrong, you will lose it all. This was a decision of great importance. I asked you the question "What is the color of a Stop sign?" I gave you the options of Green, Red, Yellow or Mauve. You told me you wanted B as your final answer. A choice that you made without lifelines. For the opportunity to stay in the game and see another question, Mary Richards of Denver, Colorado, your response is... RIGHT FOR $500!"
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Good for a laugh, but is it really that far off from what Chris Tarrant and Regis (at least in the early episodes) did to draw out the suspense on high-level questions?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'240092\' date=\'Apr 27 2010, 11:18 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'240091\' date=\'Apr 28 2010, 12:07 AM\']And a bonus round. And a $25,000 bonus for a nine-letter word. And no Numbers Games or Conundrums.
I'm sorry, Matt, but they'd have to mount a better pilot if they wanted Bill -- Countdown should not be dumbed-down for American audiences, because a dumbed-down Countdown just isn't Countdown.[/quote]
I always thought an Americanized Countdown belongs on PBS. No big budget, keep the Numbers Game and Conundrum, and still offer the leather-bound dictionary as the grand prize*.
If there should be a reward for winning a regular game (do the Brits do that?), I'd offer something small, like a gift card to Brookstone ($500 or $1,000), or even Barnes and Noble (I could lose my mind in either store), and maybe $100 card for the runner-up. Small, yet satisfying (that's not what she said)...
*According to Amazon, (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-English-Dictionary-Leather-Twenty/dp/0191958921\") a $6,000 value!
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A bookseller like B&N or Amazon would be a great choice for a gift card. Goes with the overall intellectual atmosphere.
As for the amount, why not $5 or $10 per point, depending on prize budget and discount from the sponsor? If you add a round or two to the current UK format to stretch from 45 minutes with short ad breaks* to 60, I figure that the average winning score will end up around 100.
* - at least in comparison to here. IIRC, Countdown's 45-minute slot has the same 39 minutes of show as Price's 60-minute timeslot.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'240049\' date=\'Apr 26 2010, 06:39 PM\']Regis always joked they called Cullen first for WWTBAM?[/quote]
Hey, that used to be part of my sig on a.t.g-s!
[quote name=\'Regis\']"They wanted Bill Cullen, who's been dead for eight years!"[/quote]
I'll agree with WWTBAM and the clock starting *after* the choices are read (like they did at Disney). He'd fit in perfectly.
--Charlie