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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by TimK2003 on May 20, 2024, 10:40:02 PM »
How much commercial time did Donnymid have in a 30-minute episode versus a Strahan 30‐minute episode? 

If Sony didn't try to re-invent Pyramid in the Donny Osmond years, I would think they easily could've had gameplay darn close to the prior versions the Stewarts cranked out.

At least Sony learned from their mistakes and incorporated some improvements to save time, like the best "overall" time tie-breaker, when warranted.
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The Big Board / Re: New Season Of The Mole On Netflix June 28
« Last post by TimK2003 on May 20, 2024, 10:25:34 PM »
Quote from: DoItRockapella on May 20, 2024, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: ChrisLambert! on May 19, 2024, 03:23:51 PM
It’s amusing when you recall that Alan Cumming and Ari Shapiro have just been out on tour together with their “Considered Cabaret” show that they’re now hosting similar shows.

Entertainment Weekly has a good interview with Ari Shapiro about The Mole that touches on this topic.

https://ew.com/the-mole-new-host-season-premiere-date-ari-shapiro-exclusive-8640665

I really want to check out The Traitors, but don't want to pay for Peacock just for that one show. I paid for CBS All Access\Paramount+ for about two years, then realized there was nothing I wanted on it other than Star Trek.


There are some pretty good deals for short-term (1‐2 months) subscriptions on some subscription channels for the next few days in honor of National Streaming Day, but I don't think Peacock or Paramount are offering anything.

^^^ This is through (at least) most Roku devices.
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The Big Board / Re: New Season Of The Mole On Netflix June 28
« Last post by Loogaroo on May 20, 2024, 07:30:33 PM »
Netflix Mole was a welcome sight given the 15 some-odd years that had elapsed since ABC's last foray into the format. But holy hell, the show had some of the worst editing I've ever seen on a competitive reality show. I get that it's a streaming platform and "bingeing" is a thing, but come on. End the episode with an elimination like a civilized person, please.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Loogaroo on May 20, 2024, 07:27:19 PM »
When we did Pyramid for one of our charity Throwdowns, we formatted it thusly: the default Winner's Circle value was $10,000 (in the form of a $10 donation to charity), but if you won with a perfect score of 21, you played for $25K/a $25 dono. If memory serves, there were at least 6 or 7 of the 20(!) games played that evening that went for the max value.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by JasonA1 on May 20, 2024, 06:27:43 PM »
Any way you slice that broad idea, it creates a scenario in which the very last round of the game is compromised. If you make the game win as satisfying as possible -- by ringing bells the moment a team achieves a winning score -- you've left some viewers wondering why they can't play out the round to earn the maximum Winner's Circle money. If you always play out the last round, regardless of the score, now you've got a lot of game wins where the team falls short of earning all the money, but still wins the overall game. "Oh, you lost out on [$x], but let's go to the Winner's Circle!" Those moments, when created naturally by the bonus cards, were tolerable. As a daily, guaranteed feature of Pyramid? Not my cup of tea.

-Jason
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Dbacksfan12 on May 20, 2024, 06:17:46 PM »
Quote from: JasonA1 on May 20, 2024, 06:07:45 PM
When I first heard the GSN Pyramid's idea with each 7-out-of-7 adding $5,000 to the next Winner's Circle, I thought it was a nice evolution. But watching day after day, it made the individual rounds feel like a series of failures during which they were keeping score. i.e. - well, you didn't add $15,000 to your Winner's Circle, but you did manage 17 points along the way. (Oh, and you won the game.)
Let me ask you this, because I agree with you on both points that were made.

What if they started teams at $0 and then awarded $1,000/point for a go at the WC, with a $5k bonus if they racked up a perfect score?  If I was producing, I wouldn't mention the $$ until the bonus round itself..."In the main game, you scored 18 points, so you're playing for $18,000.  Here is your first subject..."
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by JasonA1 on May 20, 2024, 06:07:45 PM »
When I first heard the GSN Pyramid's idea with each 7-out-of-7 adding $5,000 to the next Winner's Circle, I thought it was a nice evolution. But watching day after day, it made the individual rounds feel like a series of failures during which they were keeping score. i.e. - well, you didn't add $15,000 to your Winner's Circle, but you did manage 17 points along the way. (Oh, and you won the game.)

For me, the same kind of feeling permeated the Donny Pyramid. Maybe it's knowing the old version too much. But, put side by side, the Donny version had an especially anxious energy. The classic Pyramid afforded you about 4.28 seconds to work on each answer; the 6-in-20 format only allows 3.33. As Travis alluded to, some of the problem on the Donny show could have been in what words were chosen, and especially what order they played.

An Osmond Pyramid had about 20 minutes of show in a half hour slot, while the Strahan version is right around 21:30. Based on that, there's a case to be made they literally didn't have time to play the old game in 2002. But I wonder what the end result could have been with the Donny version if they approached the runtime problem in a different way.

-Jason
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Kevin Prather on May 20, 2024, 05:44:01 PM »
Quote from: Jeremy Nelson on May 20, 2024, 03:24:46 PM
The three fastest successful runs seemed like the best way to go for qualification; I understand that they wanted an easy way to cull the field and skirt continuity for syndication, but to penalize players after they already have to overcome bad writing and nitpick-y judging seemed like bad form to me.
Not to mention in the first season, they did not have the option to give the clues.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by Jeremy Nelson on May 20, 2024, 03:24:46 PM »
Quote from: PYLdude on May 20, 2024, 02:00:28 PM
Other than that, the old KISS principle is applied perfectly to Pyramid. They just tried too hard to be different, and it didn’t work.
This, for me, applied most to the Tournament qualification. I just watched an ep with Kathy Najimy and in the first Winner's Circle, she gave an illegal clue and my first thought was "damn, that guy already got disqualified for the tournament".

The three fastest successful runs seemed like the best way to go for qualification; I understand that they wanted an easy way to cull the field and skirt continuity for syndication, but to penalize players after they already have to overcome bad writing and nitpick-y judging seemed like bad form to me.
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The Big Board / Re: Alternate Daytime Emmys
« Last post by BrandonFG on May 20, 2024, 03:03:35 PM »
Quote from: TLEberle on May 20, 2024, 02:38:41 PM
(Did Donny ever mention "If you win the $15,000 here, that's a total of $25,000 and then we'll see you back her to try for another $100,000"? I don't recall.
I don't know if he ever mentioned it, but when a team won the chyron flashed "$15,000" for a few seconds then dissolved to say "$25,000".

I always felt having the same celebrities for the entire week would've solved the 6-in-20 issue. IIRC, Donny always spent a lotta time bantering with celebrities about their projects; had they kept the same two all week those convos could've been stretched out more. Now we don't have to spend so much time on say, Mario Cantone talking so much about what to expect on Sex and the City this upcoming season.

I also agree the writing got a little too cute and esoteric. "What Tom Cruise's Dentist Might Say"? I mean I have clues for that one, but it doesn't make it any less silly. Don't even get me started on the judging (Not accepting "Disco Music" for "Disco Songs" caused a bit of a debate back on ATGS).
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