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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: pacdude on June 23, 2015, 09:13:46 PM
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http://www.buzzerblog.com/2015/06/23/abc-revives-to-tell-the-truth/
"The network will be reviving the classic panel game show To Tell The Truth hosted by Anthony Anderson, star of the network’s sitcom Black-ish. Featured on the show’s panel will be game show legend Betty White."
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"The network will be reviving the classic panel game show To Tell The Truth hosted by Anthony Anderson, star of the network’s sitcom Black-ish. Featured on the show’s panel will be game show legend Betty White."
"The catch this time is that the celebrity who is the worst at figuring out the identity will be facing a punishment."
Four words: Betty White Dunk Tank
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And so TTTT joins TPiR on the list of game shows that have been on the air in seven different decades.
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Is it just Jeopardy! with 6 decades, at least for another 4.5 years? Struggling to think of any others. Many more shows with 5.
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Is it just Jeopardy! with 6 decades, at least for another 4.5 years? Struggling to think of any others. Many more shows with 5.
The Newlywed Game has aired in 6 different decades, too.
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Is it just Jeopardy! with 6 decades, at least for another 4.5 years? Struggling to think of any others. Many more shows with 5.
The Newlywed Game has aired in 6 different decades, too.
Let's Make a Deal slips in there too, thanks to the few weeks in 2003 and the last three months of 2009.
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Has the story been removed? The link goes to a blank page.
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"The network will be reviving the classic panel game show To Tell The Truth hosted by Anthony Anderson, star of the network’s sitcom Black-ish. Featured on the show’s panel will be game show legend Betty White."
"The catch this time is that the celebrity who is the worst at figuring out the identity will be facing a punishment."
Four words: Betty White Dunk Tank
"Extreme Truth"? Is there any reason for this "punishment" thing? Oy.
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With this announcement, TTTT also now joins the list of game shows having aired on all of the "Big 3" networks.
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With this announcement, TTTT also now joins the list of game shows having aired on all of the "Big 3" networks.
And joins Phallic Pheud in the pantheon of contemporary game shows that have completely jumped the shark.
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With this announcement, TTTT also now joins the list of game shows having aired on all of the "Big 3" networks.
And joins Phallic Pheud in the pantheon of contemporary game shows that have completely jumped the shark.
Before we've seen one episode?
(I won't even get in the "but Feud is insanely popular now" argument. So would that mean the penis jokes are to FF as Scrappy-Doo was to Scooby? I.E something only hardcore fans will claim ruined the show, while in reality the show remained or got more popular?)
Anyway, I will admit, the "punishment" thing did give me flashbacks of Double Whammies at first thought. But we have no idea what this will be as it stands right now, so I am cautious but not in sky-is-falling mode yet.
/If this was early 2000s, I'm sure punishment could have also been the rest of the panel deciding to vote off the "weakest link," as it were, of the four celebs.
//Dramatic music and dark lighting too?
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"Extreme Truth"? Is there any reason for this "punishment" thing? Oy.
You reminded me of something Travis said last December (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,27106.msg335066.html#msg335066) (emphasis added by me):
[Buzzr Password] reminds me of the most recent version of To Tell the Truth: we don't think the game is strong enough to stand on its own so we'll prop up the short leg of the couch with outrageous and tittilating stories. (I think this is one of those cases where we say that we're not the target audience and leave it be.)
In fairness, for all we know the "punishments" (since it's entirely possible all four panelists could fail) could be silly stuff, but it's a network primetime show so it probably won't be.
/calling a $1,000,000 top prize if the entire panel is fooled
//and padding
///and long drawn-out reveals
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Blurred point of view: If sliming didn't really detract from Figure It Out, depending on the "punishment" in question, this might not detract from the game at hand. (I say "blurred" because I was part of the target audience when Figure It Out was on the air.)
Honestly, I'm happy that they've done this without finding some convoluted way to stuff ONE. MILLION. DOLLARS. in to the game.
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With this announcement, TTTT also now joins the list of game shows having aired on all of the "Big 3" networks.
And joins Phallic Pheud in the pantheon of contemporary game shows that have completely jumped the shark.
Before we've seen one episode?
You say this like this forum hasn't prematurely reacted since when ATGS was actually good. Thing is, the reactions are usually right on target. Knowing Fremantle, they prolly are going to do some sort of physical stunt like dumping green slime or opening a trap door for the losing player. Of course we can wait until the episode airs, but from what's being presented, the reactions aren't unwarranted or unprecedented. That's not us being fanb0is, that's us asking why it's necessary.
(I won't even get in the "but Feud is insanely popular now" argument. So would that mean the penis jokes are to FF as Scrappy-Doo was to Scooby? I.E something only hardcore fans will claim ruined the show, while in reality the show remained or got more popular?)
Apples and oranges, but it's more than just the hardcore fans who have complained about either one. Popularity doesn't mean it's good.
Anyway, I will admit, the "punishment" thing did give me flashbacks of Double Whammies at first thought. But we have no idea what this will be as it stands right now, so I am cautious but not in sky-is-falling mode yet.
Pointing out a dumb idea is not "sky is falling" mode. I'm not a purist; there are ways you can modernize TTTT and make it refreshing.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Fremantle does the exact opposite.
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there are ways you can modernize TTTT and make it refreshing.
How so?
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"Refreshing" might be the wrong word. It is a cut and dry show: interrogate imposters for :30...lather, rinse, repeat, then vote. By "modernize", just off the top of my head, invoking more of a panel discussion as opposed to just a :30 interrogation and casting a vote.
There was a show a few years back called Wanna Bet? I think it was hosted by Ant and Dec...it was a fun little summer panel show. Something more along those lines, a lighthearted game with a little humor that's not all about high stakes.
I dunno why, but the instant I read "facing a punishment", I immediately thought of having them do the opposite of what the "winner" does at the end of Whose Line is it Anyway...maybe look into the camera and say "To tell the truth, I am terrible at picking out the real _____..."
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there are ways you can modernize TTTT and make it refreshing.
How so?
New set. New musical score. New host. Different kinds of stories. New mini-games. Allowing the audience to vote.
On the British version of Wanna Bet? there was a "punishment" aspect as host Bruce Forsyth would be on the side of success or failure as determined by an audience vote. If he lost the bet he would have to do something silly and a clip of same would be shown next week. Big Brother routinely doles out punishments over the course of various challenges, to where contestants are dressed up in an odd costume, or shackled together for a day and so on. Hell's Kitchen has a punishment for the losing team of the first challenge of every episode, and the losers are preparing for dinner service, cleaning the flatware, cleaning up roadside trash, gutting squid and so on. Punishment doesn't have to mean covered in glop.
(Lord Hyphen was correct; the American version seen about ten years ago was hosted by Ant&Dec.)
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Piggybacking off Travis's idea of "different kinds of stories", definitely tell stories that allow for visual demonstrations in studio or via a pre-recorded story, after "the real ___" is revealed. I imagine this show will be an hour; I wouldn't mind seeing demonstrations fill the time as opposed to drawn-out dramatic reveals.
Maybe the dreaded celebrity "punishment" could involve being part of the demonstration, as long as it's not too dangerous.
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One of the ideas I had mulling around in my head was $5,000 per wrong vote. Audience also gets a vote. If the impostors fool everybody, $30,000 is split among the three. However, if the audience correctly picks the right person, they get to split $5,000.
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To Tell the Truth is basically show and tell day for grownups. I don't think that whether the top prize is $1,000; $30,000 or One Million Damn Dollars will make a lick of difference. The world is full of people who have interesting stories to tell--that's why Robert Ripley and the McWhirter twins were able to carve out careers in the book business. Find someone who can shoot a bow and arrow with his toes. Or someone who creates prosthetic eyes for horses. Or who breeds giant millipedes. Go find Bill Watterson, Sonja Christopher, Nancy Zerg, or a stage hand for Penn and Teller, or other people who are out of the limelight and bring them back in.
There are lots of people who would be willing to appear on the show just for the chance to be on television and to talk a little bit about what makes them special. The money takes away from the fun stories and creates a problem in where your rooting interest lies.
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One of the ideas I had mulling around in my head was $5,000 per wrong vote. Audience also gets a vote. If the impostors fool everybody, $30,000 is split among the three. However, if the audience correctly picks the right person, they get to split $5,000.
This demonstrates quite the lack of understanding as to what TTTT is all about. You might consider reading Travis's post above.
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One of the ideas I had mulling around in my head was $5,000 per wrong vote. Audience also gets a vote. If the impostors fool everybody, $30,000 is split among the three. However, if the audience correctly picks the right person, they get to split $5,000.
This demonstrates quite the lack of understanding as to what TTTT is all about. You might consider reading Travis's post above.
Oh, I know what TTTT is all about. I love all panel shows including this one. I'd love to see a resurgence in them as they were, simple fun games that subsisted on a funny panel and engaging stories. But as alluded to on this board before, there's next to no chance an untouched version of the show makes it to air nowadays. My idea, and moreso the audience winning money part rather than the whole lot of cash part, is an attempt to find perhaps the least innocuous way to engage an ever increasingly difficult to engage audience besides just demonstrations.
We've had this conversation before, but it's just no way TTTT comes back and isn't solely about the gameplay, as it should be. I don't know what's going on with that What's My Line? they're shopping around, but I'll be very surprised if that makes it to air with no changes to the original or syndicated gameplay. And that's a shame.
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Now hold on, the BuzzerBlog link is gone. So did something happen?
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We've had this conversation before, but it's just no way TTTT comes back and isn't solely about the gameplay, as it should be.
To Tell the Truth is only notionally about the gameplay anyway: it's the reason that the panel and host get together.
After I got over the idea that the winners would take home $500 split three ways plus the sponsored merchandise and that the game could be played seriously or not at all at the discretion of the panel I started to enjoy what each person brought to the group: Garry Moore was a comedic genius, Peggy Cass would eat the challengers in three bites, Gene Rayburn would be a goof and Bill Cullen would show off his breadth of knowledge without showing off. And gee whiz, it's so fun and watchable. After the game was over I wanted to dive right back into another one. I had already forgotten who got what votes because it didn't enter into my enjoyment.
The talk of forfeits for wrong guesses and how big should the prize money should be is flatly stupid. They need to find five people who can carry the show for a half hour in such a way that nobody notices who wins.
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The talk of forfeits for wrong guesses and how big should the prize money should be is flatly stupid. They need to find five people who can carry the show for a half hour in such a way that nobody notices who wins.
It is stupid, but they don't think that can work. It's the reason Million Dollar Password exists.
I agree with you wholeheartedly about what made the shows fun to watch. One of my favorite TTTT moments was a contestant who was a former Soviet spy or somesuch. To protect his identity, he and the impostors had their faces covered with a bag. The panel all picked the wrong one and the reveal of the impostors was probably one of the funniest in the history of the show. And the only reason I remember who won was because the actual guy had to keep his bag on.
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In a story clearly not written by one of us (more about that in a second), TMZ is reporting that NeNe Leakes will be on the panel, and that it will be a three-person panel.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/01/nene-leakes-joins-abc-game-show-to-tell-the-truth-betty-white-anthony-anderson
The article also offered that TTTT was "once a huge '60s game show", which at least indicated a nice awareness that the show has a history. But they went on to say:
Fun Fact: one of the panelists of the original "To Tell the Truth" was Allen Ludden ... Betty's late husband, who went on to host "Password."
As if to prove that, there is then a brief clip stolen from YouTube (itself stolen from GSN)...with Hy Gardner.
/Seems it wouldn't have been too difficult for them to have found a clip with Betty White herself.
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In a story clearly not written by one of us (more about that in a second), TMZ is reporting that NeNe Leakes will be on the panel, and that it will be a three-person panel.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/01/nene-leakes-joins-abc-game-show-to-tell-the-truth-betty-white-anthony-anderson
The article also offered that TTTT was "once a huge '60s game show", which at least indicated a nice awareness that the show has a history. But they went on to say:
Fun Fact: one of the panelists of the original "To Tell the Truth" was Allen Ludden ... Betty's late husband, who went on to host "Password."
As if to prove that, there is then a brief clip stolen from YouTube (itself stolen from GSN)...with Hy Gardner.
/Seems it wouldn't have been too difficult for them to have found a clip with Betty White herself.
Annoying "celebrity"? Panel reduced by one?
Holy Match Game '98 flashbacks, Batman!
/Though I sent a tryout to a certain site about the history of All-American-through-Fremantle, and concluded that MG98 wasn't THAT bad.
//And TBF, Judy Tenuta, being a comedienne, was still more credible than a reality star.
///DID Allen ever appear on any version of TTTT?
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Annoying "celebrity"? Panel reduced by one?
Holy Match Game '98 flashbacks, Batman!
(http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/the-sky-is-falling-2-chicken-little.jpg)
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///DID Allen ever appear on any version of TTTT?
Sure, a handful of times. As early as 1962 and as late as 1977.
http://www.ttttontheweb.com/ttttnighttime.html
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The official press release (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/07/01/a-panel-of-celebrities-work-together-to-tell-the-truth-on-abcs-new-comedic-variety-show/425203/) is out. The order is for six episodes, with Betty and NeNe seeming to be the regular panelists among the panel of four each episode, along with Anthony's mom (seen on Celebrity Family Feud) as the "scorekeeper." The "embarrassing punishment" is having to tweet a lie. The show will also feature a live house band and demonstrations of the stories.
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The official press release (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/07/01/a-panel-of-celebrities-work-together-to-tell-the-truth-on-abcs-new-comedic-variety-show/425203/) is out. The order is for six episodes, with Betty and NeNe seeming to be the regular panelists among the panel of four each episode
Well, Fabiano is breathing a sign of relief, I'm sure. Wonder where TMZ got the idea that it was three.
/tweeting a lie? really? Who gives a fark?
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I'd think this would start up right after Celebrity Family Feud finishes their run- so probably the first week in August.
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Well, Fabiano is breathing a sign of relief, I'm sure. Wonder where TMZ got the idea that it was three.
Perhaps the writer confused "panelists" with "imposters"? I'm sure writing something not related to the Kardashians or Real Housewives is particularly taxing.
Anderson’s brassy mother, Doris, will be the official scorekeeper and asking questions of her own, not to mention embarrassing her son every chance she gets.
I guess they gotta milk that Family Feud appearance for all it's worth (not much).
/Tweeting a lie about yourself is kinda dumb...an embarrassing or interesting story would be a little more interesting IMO
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What the hell kind of fun would it be for a celebrity to tweet a lie when we know that they're lying?
The best lies (i.e. the only ones that work) are the ones we aren't told are lies beforehand.
If that's supposed to be a punishment, I wish I had the show as my parent.
As if to prove that, there is then a brief clip stolen from YouTube (itself stolen from GSN)...with Hy Gardner.
"Hey, is this Allen Ludden?"
"Close enough, run it!"
Hooray for journalism.
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Betty White first played To Tell the Truth in 1958. The fifty-seven years between her first episode and the current run is yet another record for her, far surpassing even the gap between the first and last episodes of Kitty Carlisle.
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But Betty White will never have those frightening pearls. ;-)
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The "embarrassing punishment" is having to tweet a lie watch the show.
Betty, really? Has it come to this?
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Fun Fact: one of the panelists of the original "To Tell the Truth" was Allen Ludden ... Betty's late husband, who went on to host "Password."
As if to prove that, there is then a brief clip stolen from YouTube (itself stolen from GSN)...with Hy Gardner.
/Seems it wouldn't have been too difficult for them to have found a clip with Betty White herself.
You just can't make this stuff up.
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"The catch this time is that the celebrity who is the worst at figuring out the identity will be facing a punishment."
Publicly humiliating your own panelists is a gimmick Mr. Goodson should have thought of decades ago.
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As info, the ALL CAPS header of the press release touts TTTT as a "comedic variety show." The words "panel" and "game" are nowhere to be found, surprise!
Not complaining, I think it's neat they are bringing back the format, and I'm optimistic.
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ESPN basketball analyst (and former NBA player/Michigan "Fab Fiver") Jalen Rose has been added to the show as a permanent panelist ...
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/07/14/jalen-rose-joins-panel-of-celebrities-for-to-tell-the-truth/431101/
JD
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I've been hoping for a long time that "TTTT" would join "The Price Is Right" as the only two game shows to have aired at some point in every decade since the '50s. It's not going to seem the same, though, without Kitty, just as "What's My Line?" would never seem the same without Arlene.
And I'm sorry, fans of the original "TTTT," but Garry Moore's version is my favorite. His own demeanor was friendlier than Bud Collyer's; Kitty and Peggy Cass played off each other a lot like Arlene and Dorothy on "WML," and Bill Cullen was especially knowledgeable about science and sports (as he proved for years on "I've Got A Secret"). There was also time for interviews and demonstrations just as on "Secret" and syndicated "Line."
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And I'm sorry, fans of the original "TTTT," but Garry Moore's version is my favorite.
You're putting a lot of stock into the effect of your opinion on other people. (And I agree with you—Garry Moore's TTTT was also my favorite.)
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Maybe so, re Garry Moore's version vs. Bud Collyer's, but I'm trying to avoid an avalanche of posts of the "Garry couldn't hold a candle to Bud" variety. If people prefer Bud to Garry, that's their privilege; I have better things to do than defend my own preference.
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I think you can rest easy. Not too many people are going to roast you for liking one host over the other, esp. when you chose a solid host in his own right.
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Maybe so, re Garry Moore's version vs. Bud Collyer's, but I'm trying to avoid an avalanche of posts of the "Garry couldn't hold a candle to Bud" variety. If people prefer Bud to Garry, that's their privilege; I have better things to do than defend my own preference.
You must be confusing the comparison of Garry/Bud to an actually important one people will actually debate about, like Dawson/EverybodyElse or the biggie, Barker/Carey. There's nothing to avoid when no one cares nearly as much.
For me, both versions were great. So great that when you try to compare one another, I'll accept any opinion because they're both right to me. Moore's version was certainly more relaxed, and to me it was the greatest thing to happen to the show. When I think of a modern type of TTTT, I think of his version.
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If people prefer Bud to Garry, that's their privilege; I have better things to do than defend my own preference.
Then....don't?
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If people prefer Bud to Garry, that's their privilege; I have better things to do than defend my own preference.
I know you're kinda new here, but that's how message boards work: when you take a position that other people disagree with you are expected/encouraged to defend your position, lest other people dismiss you as a tosser. If you don't want to then Chris's point applies, don't defend your point but also don't expect us to fall all over ourselves to give a darn what you think about anything that enters your head.
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I grew up watching Bud's version, so I liked his style. By the time Garry's version hit the air, Bud was, um, not available, so I was okay with Garry doing the show. I grew to like Garry's version even more. Since our market didn't air TTTT after 1974, I would like to see those post-74 episodes, as they are for the most part, new to me.
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I grew up watching Bud's version, so I liked his style. By the time Garry's version hit the air, Bud was, um, not available, so I was okay with Garry doing the show. I grew to like Garry's version even more. Since our market didn't air TTTT after 1974, I would like to see those post-74 episodes, as they are for the most part, new to me.
Ironically, Bud died the day Garry's version of TTTT debuted on many stations. Since I grew up with Garry's version, I like that better. But I do enjoy catching an episode with Bud whenever I can.
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Ironically, Bud died the day Garry's version of TTTT debuted on many stations.
Jack Clark, in an authoritative whisper: "The password is 'coincidence'." *ding*
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I grew up watching Bud's version, so I liked his style. By the time Garry's version hit the air, Bud was, um, not available, so I was okay with Garry doing the show. I grew to like Garry's version even more. Since our market didn't air TTTT after 1974, I would like to see those post-74 episodes, as they are for the most part, new to me.
I grew up with Garry Moore's version (although I must have seen a few Bud Collyer episodes when I was very, very young - I was five years old and just entering first grade when CBS cancelled the show once and for all), so that was my favorite. I think it's generally that way when picking a favorite "version" of a program - which explains why I'm one of the few people who likes Dick Sargent's cranky Darrin on Bewitched rather than Dick York's befuddled one. (Hey, if you'd been living with being turned into a toadstool and whatnot for five years running, you'd be pretty ticked off, too.)