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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: jjman920 on June 05, 2014, 08:57:11 PM
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...into High Definition. (http://www.vulture.com/2014/06/big-brother-16-hdtv-broadcast.html?mid=twitter_vulture)
I'm not surprised that it took them three years to make all the changes to go in HD. Glad to hear that they planned on doing it a while ago though.
As for LMAD, I wonder if the change in format will mean a change in studio or have they just converted the studio to HD. I also wonder if the set will see any major changes to accommodate the change.
Now that television has reached this point in its history, it made me think about something that I thought I knew the answer to but can't remember. What was the last network show to make the switch to color?
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Some have said "American Bandstand" was the last....I know that "Dark Shadows" didn't make the transition until 1967 (had to check on the date..was August 11 of that year).
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The Secret Storm went to color in March 1968
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According to Wikipedia: "Also in 1972, the last holdout among daytime network programs converted to color, resulting in the first completely all-color network season." Granted, grain of salt and all that, but that's a lot later than I thought it would be.
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The Secret Storm went to color in March 1968
There are TV Guide listings from 1967 that show Secret Storm as being in color, so I don't think that is accurate (even though the claim is pervasive on Wikipedia.)
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According to Wikipedia: "Also in 1972, the last holdout among daytime network programs converted to color, resulting in the first completely all-color network season." Granted, grain of salt and all that, but that's a lot later than I thought it would be.
That late? Wow....I wonder what that "last holdout" was...
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The Secret Storm went to color in March 1968
There are TV Guide listings from 1967 that show Secret Storm as being in color, so I don't think that is accurate (even though the claim is pervasive on Wikipedia.)
Would the overall claim of Secret Storm being the last to go to color be correct, regardless of date?
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Had no idea Big Brother (or any primetime shows for that matter) was not in HD. Is that the last primetime show to do so?
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That would be a lot of cameras to swap out. I wonder how many are filming the "house" at all times?
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Had no idea Big Brother (or any primetime shows for that matter) was not in HD.
I suspect it's as Thunder was implying, getting all of those surveillance-type cameras upgraded to HD was probably cost prohibitive, hence them being a holdout. I suppose they could have done a hybrid broadcast with HD main cameras (for the games and group interviews and whatnot) and then pillarbox the non-HD stuff, but it would have been disjointed.
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The BBC switched to color in 1969. (That's why the Hartnell and Troughton Doctor Who was in B&W.)
Brian
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Probably best to leave this discussion to U.S. shows only. Australia was B&W into the 1970s and who knows how late some other countries may have gone.
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Wasn't Concentration the last NBC show to make the switch to color in '66 or thereabouts?
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According to Wikipedia: "Also in 1972, the last holdout among daytime network programs converted to color, resulting in the first completely all-color network season." Granted, grain of salt and all that, but that's a lot later than I thought it would be.
Of course, on Wikipedia, hosts are "presenters" and announcers are "narrators."
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According to Wikipedia: "Also in 1972, the last holdout among daytime network programs converted to color, resulting in the first completely all-color network season." Granted, grain of salt and all that, but that's a lot later than I thought it would be.
Of course, on Wikipedia, hosts are "presenters" and announcers are "narrators."
Which has what to do with the quoted statement?
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According to Wikipedia: "Also in 1972, the last holdout among daytime network programs converted to color, resulting in the first completely all-color network season." Granted, grain of salt and all that, but that's a lot later than I thought it would be.
Of course, on Wikipedia, hosts are "presenters" and announcers are "narrators."
Which has what to do with the quoted statement?
Wikipedia is frequently incorrect. The only thing on network daytime I can think of that might have been B&W in 72 would be the occassional Lucy or Bev. Hillbillies rerun.
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Wikipedia is frequently incorrect.
So using the terms "presenter" and "narrator"; the terms used in pretty much every English-speaking country in the world OUTSIDE of North America, that's "incorrect"? Is that really your argument?
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Since you took that bait, that makes his post an automatic 10 out of 10. Am I right on the scoring system?
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Since you took that bait, that makes his post an automatic 10 out of 10. Am I right on the scoring system?
It would if it wasn't known far and wide that I consider him to be nothing more than a common (and extremely poor) troll anyhow and was just trying to get it on the record that was what he was doing in the (probably misguided) hope that one day something is done about it.
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You won't lose any "King Of The Internet" points for admitting that you swallowed that bait like a 40 pound catfish. :D
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You won't lose any "King Of The Internet" points for admitting that you swallowed that bait like a 40 pound catfish. :D
Probably a good thing I'm not keeping score, then.
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So using the terms "presenter" and "narrator"; the terms used in pretty much every English-speaking country in the world OUTSIDE of North America, that's "incorrect"? Is that really your argument?
I don't see how it could be anything else. "You shouldn't trust Wikipedia because they're frequently wrong" is at least defensible. The problem is appending "They are wrong in this case because they use terms that aren't commonly heard in this country". (He has many other problems, but that's just one.)
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Returning us back to the topic...
I suspect it's as Thunder was implying, getting all of those surveillance-type cameras upgraded to HD was probably cost prohibitive, hence them being a holdout. I suppose they could have done a hybrid broadcast with HD main cameras (for the games and group interviews and whatnot) and then pillarbox the non-HD stuff, but it would have been disjointed.
The pan/tilt/zoom cameras that they use have got to have extremely sensitive controls and amazingly competent operators. We have lots of the high dollar ones at work. I've been using them for years but I still have trouble moving the controls perfectly to follow something or zooming in quickly.
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The only thing on network daytime I can think of that might have been B&W in 72 would be the occassional Lucy or Bev. Hillbillies rerun.
That comment made me very curious so I had to look......If daytime reruns on the networks are taken into the equation, then the last possible link to B&W shows (assuming the B&W episodes would still be in the rotation) would be ABC's reruns of "Bewitched". The last telecast for that would have been 7/6/73. Replaced the following Monday with reruns of "The Brady Bunch".
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ABC actually stopped running the black and white episodes of Bewitched after fall 1969. It was nothing but the color episodes from then until 7/6/73.
CBS still rotated black and white episodes of Lucy and Beverly Hillbillies as late as about spring '71, but it was all color episodes after that date.
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ABC actually stopped running the black and white episodes of Bewitched after fall 1969. It was nothing but the color episodes from then until 7/6/73.
CBS still rotated black and white episodes of Lucy and Beverly Hillbillies as late as about spring '71, but it was all color episodes after that date.
Interesting! It makes me also wonder when those episodes were taken out of the syndicated rotation, too. IIRC, I don't ever remember seeing the B&W episodes until NaN started running the show....
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Interesting! It makes me also wonder when those episodes were taken out of the syndicated rotation, too. IIRC, I don't ever remember seeing the B&W episodes until NaN started running the show....
If you are talking Bewitched, MeTV started out with the 1st season B&W eps. when they had Bewitched about a year or so ago. MeTV is currently running the B&W seasons of The Beverly Hillbillies.
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I think Nick at Nite was running Bewitched long before there was a MeTV.
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I think Nick at Nite was running Bewitched long before there was a MeTV.
It was. I remember it airing there in the late-80s/early-90s.
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I think Nick at Nite was running Bewitched long before there was a MeTV.
It was. I remember it airing there in the late-80s/early-90s.
Indeed. In fact, they even promoted the fact that they would be showing the B&W seasons (of which there were two, not three, as the promo suggests) that hadn't been seen in years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCkjxbExl4c
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I'm fairly sure Superstation (W)TBS ran B&W Beverly Hillbillies eps in the, late 80s/early 90s I think.
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I think Nick at Nite was running Bewitched long before there was a MeTV.
It was. I remember it airing there in the late-80s/early-90s.
Indeed. In fact, they even promoted the fact that they would be showing the B&W seasons (of which there were two, not three, as the promo suggests) that hadn't been seen in years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCkjxbExl4c
Thanks! I definitely remember that promo, mainly the "floating" suitcases coming down the stairs, but I didn't realize it was to promote the B&W seasons. Reading the Wiki page for the show, I also didn't realize that those episodes were generally excluded from the syndication package in the 70s.
And yes Jay, TBS did air The Beverly Hillbillies in the early-90s. IIRC, it came on around 6*, right after The Andy Griffith Show.
*Excuse me.....6:05 ;-P
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Thanks! I definitely remember that promo, mainly the "floating" suitcases coming down the stairs, but I didn't realize it was to promote the B&W seasons. Reading the Wiki page for the show, I also didn't realize that those episodes were generally excluded from the syndication package in the 70s.
I think it all depends on the station. The B&W episodes definitely WERE syndicated. The stations in my area that ran the show regularly ran the B&W episodes right up until about 1980 - sometimes they would "skip" a cycle though, or be aired just in the summer months. After 1980, the next time I remember seeing them was on NaN in 1989. My guess is it was around the beginning of the '80s that they were taken out of the package, so Nick's statement that they hadn't been seen in a decade was pretty well true.
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Sometimes these syndicated packages made no sense - I didn't like "My Three Sons" originally when I first heard of it, but got hooked on it when NaN added it...As I would later realize, there were 12 years to the show and they had the rights to Seasons 1-5 (the B&W ABC years) and season 12! It was quite odd to see Mike, Robbie and Chip in good old black and white one day and then in glorious color the next with everyone older (sans "Mike") and more cast members to learn...
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Sometimes these syndicated packages made no sense - I didn't like "My Three Sons" originally when I first heard of it, but got hooked on it when NaN added it...As I would later realize, there were 12 years to the show and they had the rights to Seasons 1-5 (the B&W ABC years) and season 12!
And, I believe, the second half of season 11. Y'know, just to make things extra confusing.
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To me, My Three Sons and Andy Griffith are two shows that are more enjoyable in the B&W seasons. One show that I don't recall seeing in syndication in B&W was Petticoat Junction. I'm assuming Viacom didn't make those available.
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I may be in the minority, but I was never much of a fan of Andy Griffith. I liked My Three Sons though, but the episodes I saw in the '70s were seasons 6-11, so I guess I'm more familiar with those. I've only seen a handful of B&W episodes.
You are correct about the first two seasons of Petticoat Junction. For some reason those were never syndicated. TVLand aired a few of them, and I believe both seasons are available on DVD.
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To me, My Three Sons and Andy Griffith are two shows that are more enjoyable in the B&W seasons. One show that I don't recall seeing in syndication in B&W was Petticoat Junction. I'm assuming Viacom didn't make those available.
I enjoyed the color episodes of M3S much better than the black and white ones, if for the fact that things really started to move (no pun intended i.e. network and locale) once it did make the switch. For the first 5 years the family stayed the same with the exception of Bub being replaced with Uncle Charley in the middle of season 5. Once it moved to CBS, it was almost a tradition for the season opener to kick off with a big event - marriages kicked off seasons 6, 9, and 10 for example and season 8 with Robbie's wife discovering she's pregnant.
Andy Griffith is just the opposite - I *do* enjoy the B&W eps more than the color, as those were the ones with Don Knotts in them.
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I may be in the minority, but I was never much of a fan of Andy Griffith. I liked My Three Sons though, but the episodes I saw in the '70s were seasons 6-11, so I guess I'm more familiar with those. I've only seen a handful of B&W episodes.
You are correct about the first two seasons of Petticoat Junction. For some reason those were never syndicated. TVLand aired a few of them, and I believe both seasons are available on DVD.
Around the beginning of the year, MeTV obtained the B&W episodes of "Petticoat Junction". I assume they are now in regular rotation with the rest of the seasons of the show's run.
On the flip side, whenever I saw old reruns of "My Favorite Martian", It was only reruns of the B&W episodes of the first 2 seasons. I never recall seeing any local or cable channel ever rerunning the color eps of the last season.
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My Favorite Martian had a run on TVLand in the early 2000s. The color episodes were definitely in the rotation at that time.