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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Jimmy Owen on January 22, 2024, 03:12:26 PM
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"The Flip Side" will be offered in syndication from CBS Media Ventures
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Here's the Deadline story (https://deadline.com/2024/01/jaleel-white-syndicated-game-show-the-flip-side-fall-launch-cbs-stations-1235798535/).
-Jason
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Jaleel has proven to be a good game player on 25 WOL and Pictionary. He should have no problem as a host. Looking forward to this.
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Didn't he host a prime time darkness game show a few years back? Didn't overly impress me as host but then again, the bar for washed-up actors trying their luck at host has really, REALLY gone downhill in the last few years.
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Didn't he host a prime time darkness game show a few years back? Didn't overly impress me as host but then again, the bar for washed-up actors trying their luck at host has really, REALLY gone downhill in the last few years.
Yep, Total Blackout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Blackout).
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Jaleel has proven to be a good game player on 25 WOL and Pictionary. He should have no problem as a host.
The list of hosts for whom this didn't work out so well for could fill several volumes.
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Jaleel has proven to be a good game player on 25 WOL and Pictionary. He should have no problem as a host.
Ever watched Jamie Farr on Oddball? Nipsey on anything he hosted? Looking forward to this.
You would look forward to WW III if the winner got $5000 and a refrigerator/freezer.
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Apparently someone is having a bad day.
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Looking forward to this.
You would look forward to WW III if the winner got $5000 and a refrigerator/freezer.
I think we've been letting a lot of this stuff slide, but there's a not-so-great trend here of people teeing off on other posters simply because they disagree with their opinion. It's one thing if a person starts a thread that's functionally useless, or if a poster spreads misinformation. That sort of thing could rankle somebody into a snarky reply. But in this case, you simply think the Jaleel White show is not worth looking forward to, compared to BillCullen1's opinion. And his punishment for sharing his enthusiasm is this? Come on. Chris replied upthread in a way that shared his disagreement without crossing a line.
That aside, I happened to think Nipsey was a capable broadcaster who was put inside formats that weren't clean enough for a relatively untested host to handle.
-Jason
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That aside, I happened to think Nipsey was a capable broadcaster who was put inside formats that weren't clean enough for a relatively untested host to handle.
Nipsey Russell was very swell,
A man who played game shows quite well.
At Pyramid, he did excel,
Plus the game whereon the truth they tell.
He always had a word to say
To wrap up the broadcast day
And put in a rhyming way
To cause you laughs so big they slay.
But as a host, he did not fit
Despite good tries, I must admit.
Maybe there's a format for his good wit,
But now it's too late, and so I quit.
/This post brought to you by RhymeZone,
For when you can't wax lyrical on your own.
//Please do not hold this post against me.
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Agreed with the above two posts about Nipsey. His game show's fate just didn't rate.
By the way, thank you Jason. Much appreciated. Next time we're at the corner bar, it's on me.
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hmmmm, sold to CBS station group, me thinks the hosts of "The Talk" are getting their demo tapes in order.
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hmmmm, sold to CBS station group, me thinks the hosts of "The Talk" are getting their demo tapes in order.
As much as I'd love for that hour to be replaced with a game show, this probably means that the duopoly stations of the group (WLIG-55 in NYC, WPSG-57 in Philly, KCAL-9 in LA for example) are going to be the ones that air it.
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hmmmm, sold to CBS station group, me thinks the hosts of "The Talk" are getting their demo tapes in order.
As much as I'd love for that hour to be replaced with a game show, this probably means that the duopoly stations of the group (WLIG-55 in NYC, WPSG-57 in Philly, KCAL-9 in LA for example) are going to be the ones that air it.
Totally agree. In fact I’d bet that at least in the first case, that deposes Funny You Should Ask in the 4 PM slot.
WCBS’ lineup is pretty well set for the long term, and I don’t see them dropping anything to make room for a new game show. Unless Hot Bench isn’t doing well enough in the afternoon, if they were to pick it up I would have to imagine it would get the time slot that befell Sex Wars, Match Game 98, and the second season of Weakest Link (2:07 AM).
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That aside, I happened to think Nipsey was a capable broadcaster who was put inside formats that weren't clean enough for a relatively untested host to handle.
I agree. I got a kick out of Nipsey on the Jackpot and Star Words pilots, and while You're Number's Up had lots of problems, none of them were him. He was funny, surprisingly smooth and I enjoyed his exclamations of "aaaaah!"
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it's entirely possible that they expand their block to actually HELP FYSA, and "own" vs. rent from Byron.
Remember Byron has a whole bunch of stations, so if they wind up carrying FLIP SIDE as well, don't be surprised.
From the description, it sounds like something that GSN probably had pitched several times as a replacement for AMERICA SAYS but couldn't or wouldn't deal, so Dave and Clive took their idea to someone who was ready.
I've heard worse elevator pitches that made it to air.
I wish them good luck, and hope when Jaleel appears at 90s cons that he promotes it.
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hmmmm, sold to CBS station group, me thinks the hosts of "The Talk" are getting their demo tapes in order.
As much as I'd love for that hour to be replaced with a game show, this probably means that the duopoly stations of the group (WLIG-55 in NYC, WPSG-57 in Philly, KCAL-9 in LA for example) are going to be the ones that air it.
Totally agree. In fact I’d bet that at least in the first case, that deposes Funny You Should Ask in the 4 PM slot.
WCBS’ lineup is pretty well set for the long term, and I don’t see them dropping anything to make room for a new game show. Unless Hot Bench isn’t doing well enough in the afternoon, if they were to pick it up I would have to imagine it would get the time slot that befell Sex Wars, Match Game 98, and the second season of Weakest Link (2:07 AM).
Was trying not to resurrect a really old thread to ask this question: Has Funny You Should Ask been removed from broadcast syndication? I searched a sample of listings in major markets and cannot find it. WPSG in Philadelphia, for example, has removed it from the 9am hour. The show is supposedly airing new episodes this week. (Source: https://syndication.extremereach.com/library/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/HD-FYSAA7056A.pdf (https://syndication.extremereach.com/library/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/HD-FYSAA7056A.pdf))
Since it just had a primetime CBS airing, the removal comes as a surprise, though I'm not sure that the show will be missed.
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Still airing in Norfolk/Virginia Beach on WGNT from 2-3 pm. We’re in the 40s for DMA rankings, but it does still air.
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It’s also still on WLNY at 4:00 PM.
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It’s also still on WLNY at 4:00 PM.
OK thanks everyone. (Could I trouble one of you to share the contestant names on today's primary run episode?)
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Setting a reminder in my phone.
EDIT: Antonio and Krista.
(https://i.ibb.co/DVwvhKL/IMG-4164.jpg)
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FYSA is still available on WRDQ in Central Florida; single run show at 6PM, double run show at 4AM. (And weekend airings at 6:30 PM, as well!)
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Wow! Where I live, FYSA and 25 Words or Less were pulled from our local affiliate a couple of months ago and it was replaced by local news. Thank goodness I can at least find the latter on YouTube and Tubi, but still...
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Setting a reminder in my phone.
EDIT: Antonio and Krista.
(https://i.ibb.co/DVwvhKL/IMG-4164.jpg)
Thanks very much for this info! I'm going to see if the same run exists on TheGrio. It's almost impossible to tell from listing guides.
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Assuming the listings I have are correct, The Grio is on a one-week delay from the daily syndie run (and Comedy.tv's run is seven weeks behind).
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Assuming the listings I have are correct, The Grio is on a one-week delay from the daily syndie run (and Comedy.tv's run is seven weeks behind).
Thanks for the info. I had heard (but don't remember the source...either GSF or GSP) that Comedy.tv ran the new first-run episodes one week prior to their broadcast syndication runs, though that practice may have changed.
They have aired just south of 350 episodes since 2017, despite it being double-run in some markets! That's what you would expect a sitcom to do, not a game show.
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They have aired just south of 350 episodes since 2017, despite it being double-run in some markets! That's what you would expect a sitcom to do, not a game show.
Okay, stop and think about this for a second.
First, for the purposes of your statement above, expand "sitcom" to "half-hour syndicated strip programming." So sitcoms, court shows, etc. Agreed that's the same concept you were going for?
What is practically *every other program that comes out of Entertainment Studios*?
They don't call it "the Walmart of television production" for nothing.
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I think the point Swohs is making is that Entertainment Studios has only cranked out ~350 episodes over 6.5 seasons. Unless their seasons are only 13 weeks at a time like GSN or basic cable, that is pretty paltry.
Forgot where I read it, but I vaguely recall some stations were pretty upset they haven't received enough new episodes over the years. Given the time slots (the primary episode usually aired in the mornings or late afternoons here), I think this is a little different than Comics Unleashed airing at 1 am.
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I think the point Swohs is making is that Entertainment Studios has only cranked out ~350 episodes over 6.5 seasons. Unless their seasons are only 13 weeks at a time like GSN or basic cable, that is pretty paltry.
Forgot where I read it, but I vaguely recall some stations were pretty upset they haven't received enough new episodes over the years. Given the time slots (the primary episode usually aired in the mornings or late afternoons here), I think this is a little different than Comics Unleashed airing at 1 am.
Yes, I think that it is common practice for game shows to produce at least 100 episodes a year (and more commonly 130 - 180), especially if it is airing in broadcast syndication as opposed to on a cable network. Sitcoms and their reruns can get away with the same 100 episodes run ad nauseam, however I cannot think of another show to hold down a slot for almost seven years and rerunning the same relatively few shows. I had not paid much attention to ES products until Funny You Should Ask started, so consider me in general "shock" that this practice works so well for Byron. And that CBS picked up Comics Unleashed recently albeit temporarily shows how bargain-basement linear television has become. I remain grateful for the 25WOLiverse for giving us something new and original in this area in the past few years.
PS - real name Patrick.
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I had heard (but don't remember the source...either GSF or GSP) that Comedy.tv ran the new first-run episodes one week prior to their broadcast syndication runs, though that practice may have changed.
That was me...I know that was true in fall 2022, but unfortunately Comedy.tv is the one Byron channel I don't get anymore, so I can't tell you what they're doing these days.
I think the point Swohs is making is that Entertainment Studios has only cranked out ~350 episodes over 6.5 seasons. Unless their seasons are only 13 weeks at a time like GSN or basic cable, that is pretty paltry.
It tends to vary quite a bit, but season 1 was their largest. It's technically not even 6.5 seasons, since they didn't make any new episodes for two of them.
Season 1, 2017-2018: 128 episodes
Season 2, 2018-2019: 62 episodes (including 2 that were held back from season 1 that still used "Happy")
Season 3, 2019-2020: 48 episodes
(No new episodes for two seasons; season 1 reruns are redubbed with the new theme in fall 2021)
Season 4, 2022-2023: 77 episodes
So yeah, the stations do have a point here. I'm guessing Louie Anderson's passing was the kick in the pants that got the show back into production; pretty darn hard to look evergreen when one of the regular panelists is no longer with us.
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I’m glad to see that many of you are now wise to the “economics” of first run syndication as AMG defines it.
Amazed that other people found out the dirty little secret that Byron renumbered earlier episodes using the pandemic as a rationale, when the truth be told his was the only show that didn’t figure out a way to make new shows.
Truth be told their station lineup was indifferent. As we know ratings for originals and repeats are almost indistinguishable.
Yet you’d be amazed how many executives were paid IN FULL while this waiting game was ongoing.
Actually, based upon the insights this group has, maybe you wouldn’t.
We should all be so fortunate
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I think the point Swohs is making is that Entertainment Studios has only cranked out ~350 episodes over 6.5 seasons. Unless their seasons are only 13 weeks at a time like GSN or basic cable, that is pretty paltry.
Okay, that's fair, but it's the same general idea. Byron pumps out evergreen crap that is designed to be run OVER and OVER and OVER again, and up until now it was 99% sitcoms and scripted court shows, so they pumped out in sitcom- and court-show-sized blocks. He's not gonna change up the formula just because it's a game show now.
And Patrick: Since you weren't familiar, I recommend looking up a couple articles on Byron and ES. Not an admonition, just because it's a pretty interesting read about his business model. Dude CRANKS out dirt-cheap content, then basically gives it away and holds back the commercial time.
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And Patrick: Since you weren't familiar, I recommend looking up a couple articles on Byron and ES. Not an admonition, just because it's a pretty interesting read about his business model. Dude CRANKS out dirt-cheap content, then basically gives it away and holds back the commercial time.
And I just heard today that Byron has just put in a bid of $30 BILLION to purchase CBS/Paramount:
https://www.ftvlive.com/sqsp-test/2024/1/31/bryon-allen-makes-offer-for-paramountcbs
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And I just heard today that Byron has just put in a bid of $20 BILLION to purchase CBS/Paramount:
https://www.ftvlive.com/sqsp-test/2024/1/31/bryon-allen-makes-offer-for-paramountcbs
Byron Allen's company doesn't have a net worth of $20 Billion, and I doubt he has a bunch of extra investors partnering with him. This reeks of leveraged buyout and is the sort of thing Wall Street should stop encouraging.
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And I just heard today that Byron has just put in a bid of $20 BILLION to purchase CBS/Paramount:
The story actually says $30 billion, but what's ten billion between friends?
On the other hand, the business-side reporters are saying the deal (the same deal) is worth $14.3 billion, because economics is stupid.
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The story actually says $30 billion, but what's ten billion between friends?
On the other hand, the business-side reporters are saying the deal (the same deal) is worth $14.3 billion, because economics is stupid.
The discrepancy between $14B and $30B is because Paramount has $16B worth of debt, and the debt would come along with the sale. This actually matters because the terms of who keeps the debt can affect who gets paid, if ever. Sometimes what happens is just an asset sale, and the former shell of a company that's left holding the debt with no assets folds, leaving the creditors holding the bag. (Spoiler: the creditors are still going to end up at least taking a haircut if this sale happens.)
For those of you in the board gaming hobby, here's a recent example: when that toxic dumpster fire The Gaming Goat sold out to new owners, the new owners assumed the assets of the former company but not the entire company. So the new owners of the assets got all of TGG's inventory, but the Gaming Goat held the pre-order obligations and then promptly folded.
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And I just heard today that Byron has just put in a bid of $20 BILLION to purchase CBS/Paramount:
https://www.ftvlive.com/sqsp-test/2024/1/31/bryon-allen-makes-offer-for-paramountcbs
Byron Allen's company doesn't have a net worth of $20 Billion, and I doubt he has a bunch of extra investors partnering with him. This reeks of leveraged buyout and is the sort of thing Wall Street should stop encouraging.
Since 2020, Byron has tried to purchase Tegna, ABC, BET and VH1, and expressed interest in buying two NFL teams, falling short each and every time. At least he keeps getting up to try again.
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Back to the topic at hand ...
https://deadline.com/2024/03/game-show-enterprises-cbs-produce-flip-side-jaleel-white-1235871079/
GSN's production arm will produce "Flip Side" for CBS Media Ventures, with GSN getting "second-run" rights to episodes shortly after they air in syndication.
Also, it appears the "The" was quietly removed from the show's title.
JD