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Barker TPIR coming to Pluto TV 12/1/20 (Confirmed)
TLEberle:
Allen Ludden?
Jimmy Owen:
--- Quote from: tvmitch on May 22, 2022, 09:09:05 AM ---While growing up and watching lots of 80s daytime shows, I remember my Mom did not like Barker at all. She didn't mind the other game shows (except that PYL was too loud!) - but she just didn't like Barker. Watching these episodes from this era, I can see why.
Must have been an interesting dynamic between Barker and the rest of them during this time. Given the ratings, Barker probably felt like he could get away with it. Can't think of any other hosts of the era that were as overt with comments like this.
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Most hosts were like this. Gene "Pretty Dimples" Rayburn, Richard "The Kissing Bandit" Dawson, Allen "Hi Doll" Ludden......
chargeradiocom:
--- Quote from: Jimmy Owen on May 22, 2022, 12:14:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: tvmitch on May 22, 2022, 09:09:05 AM ---While growing up and watching lots of 80s daytime shows, I remember my Mom did not like Barker at all. She didn't mind the other game shows (except that PYL was too loud!) - but she just didn't like Barker. Watching these episodes from this era, I can see why.
Must have been an interesting dynamic between Barker and the rest of them during this time. Given the ratings, Barker probably felt like he could get away with it. Can't think of any other hosts of the era that were as overt with comments like this.
--- End quote ---
Most hosts were like this. Gene "Pretty Dimples" Rayburn, Richard "The Kissing Bandit" Dawson, Allen "Hi Doll" Ludden......
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I hear you, and I think those guys were relics of their time. But Dawson did his kissing with consent, and Ludden was always respectful of female contestants on camera as I can recall, the “doll” thing notwithstanding. Neither of them were as blatantly disrespectful as Barker could be at times. I’ll grant you Rayburn.
Casey:
--- Quote from: Jimmy Owen on May 22, 2022, 12:14:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: tvmitch on May 22, 2022, 09:09:05 AM ---While growing up and watching lots of 80s daytime shows, I remember my Mom did not like Barker at all. She didn't mind the other game shows (except that PYL was too loud!) - but she just didn't like Barker. Watching these episodes from this era, I can see why.
Must have been an interesting dynamic between Barker and the rest of them during this time. Given the ratings, Barker probably felt like he could get away with it. Can't think of any other hosts of the era that were as overt with comments like this.
--- End quote ---
Most hosts were like this. Gene "Pretty Dimples" Rayburn, Richard "The Kissing Bandit" Dawson, Allen "Hi Doll" Ludden......
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How many people did Allen Ludden say "Hi Doll" to, aside from his mother-in-law?
Unrealtor:
--- Quote from: chargeradiocom on May 22, 2022, 01:28:17 PM ---
--- Quote from: Jimmy Owen on May 22, 2022, 12:14:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: tvmitch on May 22, 2022, 09:09:05 AM ---While growing up and watching lots of 80s daytime shows, I remember my Mom did not like Barker at all. She didn't mind the other game shows (except that PYL was too loud!) - but she just didn't like Barker. Watching these episodes from this era, I can see why.
Must have been an interesting dynamic between Barker and the rest of them during this time. Given the ratings, Barker probably felt like he could get away with it. Can't think of any other hosts of the era that were as overt with comments like this.
--- End quote ---
Most hosts were like this. Gene "Pretty Dimples" Rayburn, Richard "The Kissing Bandit" Dawson, Allen "Hi Doll" Ludden......
--- End quote ---
I hear you, and I think those guys were relics of their time. But Dawson did his kissing with consent, and Ludden was always respectful of female contestants on camera as I can recall, the “doll” thing notwithstanding. Neither of them were as blatantly disrespectful as Barker could be at times. I’ll grant you Rayburn.
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Let's also remember that "Doll" was Allen's nickname for Betty's mother, so I'd consider it very different from the other examples since it's directed at a specific person who he knows well. Also, I don't think Betty would let him get away with much.
I try to separate things that were done without negative intent but aren't OK by modern standards from the overt prejudice or abuse of power that you could get away with at the time because the people who it was directed against didn't have enough social clout to put a stop to it. I'd put Jack Narz calling adult women "girls" in the former category, Richard Dawson's kisses and Gene Rayburn's lechery somewhere in between, and a lot of Barker's on- and off-camera behavior into the latter category.
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