Picture of TPiR's new showcase podiums

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'225260\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 03:11 PM\']You dismissed the whole thing as just being "entertainment television".[/quote]
Yes. Because from the perspective of a fan, that is precisely what it is. Not some "cherished piece of Americana", not "a reason for existing," a freakin' TV SHOW. As a matter of fact, I believe I've seen you use the same argument more than once.

[chris319]

From a fan's perspective, if a show's business model fails due to low ratings, your "freakin' TV SHOW" goes away and you now have an unhappy fan.

[Millionaire81]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'225274\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 07:07 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'225260\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 03:11 PM\']You dismissed the whole thing as just being "entertainment television".[/quote]
Yes. Because from the perspective of a fan, that is precisely what it is. Not some "cherished piece of Americana", not "a reason for existing," a freakin' TV SHOW. As a matter of fact, I believe I've seen you use the same argument more than once.
[/quote]

Absolutely spot on!

When are folks around here and on other boards in the game show world going to realize...you are not an average viewer.  Just as the people on Doctor Who message boards are not average viewers.  We may think we know what works but we aren't necessarily the best litmus test out there.

The sooner we all realize that The Price is Right is just a television show and not something on the level of a religion, the sooner we'll all be able to sleep at night.

Unfortunately Chris, some don't mind if it goes away.  They'd rather cut their nose off to spite their face.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Millionaire81\' post=\'225281\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 06:04 PM\']The sooner we all realize that The Price is Right is just a television show and not something on the level of a religion, the sooner we'll all be able to sleep at night.[/quote]
You're thinking of another message board if you're going to keep using the term "we all."

[pentellit]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'225245\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 12:52 PM\']Sorry pentellit, gotta disagree with you about those ratings. Regardless of whether or not you factor in cable, look at the numbers I posted for the top six markets in February 2009: 2.2 vs. 4.2. No matter how you slice it, The View ate TPIR's lunch with or without taking cable into account. It is a well-known fact that when Barker left, the 18-34 female demo went with him. Yes, TPIR needed a transfusion of new blood but as emcees go, Drew is third-rate in my opinion.

Used to be that a 4.2 rating was considered quite respectable in daytime, and that was before cable. These aren't national numbers, but The View is doing healthy business and you'll see less of Wilford Brimley, Alex Trebek and Mr. Scooter Store on The View than TPIR.[/quote]
You are right Chris.  I shouldn't have said "cable is KILLING network", I should have said "nipping at it's heels"/"giving it a run for the money"/"chasing it up the charts", etc.  And The View will continually eat TPIR for lunch with it's demographic.  But the point was that even with Barker hosting, TPIR's ratings, like most of network daytime, had been declining long before Drew Carey was on the short list. (Except for the period following Barker's "retirement" announcement.)

[CarShark]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'225260\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 06:11 PM\']

All those young females could very well have been "Bob Barker fans" rather than "Price is Right fans" as they would have been in the past.

What difference does it make? They're gone and the ratings reflect it, particularly when you break out the demos.
[/quote]
...? What difference does it make? Really? Think about it. If someone is a fan of the TPIR, and they don't like the show now, improvements in the next year could very well bring them back. It might not, but at least there's a chance. If someone was a fan of Bob Barker only, however, there is nothing the show can do to bring them back, short of bringing Barker back. Drew could suddenly be an Emmy-winning host with perfectly rotating games and set pieces belonging in the The Louvre, but none if it will matter because Barker isn't there. They will never accept anyone else, in part because Barker only cultivated their attachment to him, and no one else.

[chris319]

If someone was a fan of Bob Barker only, however, there is nothing the show can do to bring them back, short of bringing Barker back.

You're pointing out the obvious.

[ClockGameJohn]

[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'225236\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 02:22 PM\']The work enviroment has become much more tolerable, for that crew. I respect Drew.[/quote]

I'm sure we could ask 100 people and the Top 10 answers will be on the board.  Everyone has a different view, but I've heard the opposite from some sources.  Longer work days, staff losing their hiatus weeks, and constant demand for "perfection" by the execs has put a strain on both Price and CBS personnel.

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'225253\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 05:17 PM\']Truthfully, what else is the show to do to seriously attract young females?[/quote]

They could have hired suave Mario Lopez, if the only thing in mind was to attract young females.

[quote name=\'pentellit\' post=\'225297\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 10:23 PM\']But the point was that even with Barker hosting, TPIR's ratings, like most of network daytime, had been declining long before Drew Carey was on the short list. (Except for the period following Barker's "retirement" announcement.)[/quote]

pentellit,

Did you have access to ratings from the past three years?  I do and I do have to disagree.  I can post the ratings from both before and after Barker's retirement announcement and you will notice that there was very little change.  It even surprised me.  (Yes, all daytime ratings had been decling for years, but there was never a point when The View beat Price under the Barker Administration.)

[chris319]

John -

Do you have national ratings? If so, what are the most recent nationals you have?

Truthfully, what else is the show to do to seriously attract young females?

They could have hired suave Mario Lopez, if the only thing in mind was to attract young females.

When I think of Drew the words "chick magnet" do not come to mind.

[J.R.]

Drew Carey should be arrested for desecrating the holy sanctity that is The Price is Right.

Clearly he is a man of great evil. He's obviously ruining the show's ratings on purpose. All part of his diabolical scheme to destroy America.

He must stand trial for this heinous act against humanity.

The Price is Right: Serious Business.

[pentellit]

[quote name=\'dazztardly\' post=\'225236\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 02:22 PM\']The work enviroment has become much more tolerable, for that crew. I respect Drew.[/quote]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225374\' date=\'Sep 8 2009, 01:14 PM\']I'm sure we could ask 100 people and the Top 10 answers will be on the board.  Everyone has a different view, but I've heard the opposite from some sources.  Longer work days, staff losing their hiatus weeks, and constant demand for "perfection" by the execs has put a strain on both Price and CBS personnel.[/quote]

And I've heard the crew is happier now because they're getting overtime again, which is something that Barker had taken away by changing the taping schedule.  As they say, "It's better than Barker" (who even took away their candy drawer!).

As for the "strain"; c'mon, the show has a new host, a new producer, and a new director.  Did anyone really think it wasn't going to be stressful?

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'225253\' date=\'Sep 7 2009, 05:17 PM\']Truthfully, what else is the show to do to seriously attract young females?[/quote]

Male models?  Works for me

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225374\' date=\'Sep 8 2009, 01:14 PM\']They could have hired suave Mario Lopez, if the only thing in mind was to attract young females.[/quote]  

But how could they script it so Mario would be shirtless at least once during both half hours?  

RE ratings John:  Yes, declining before announcement - up after, culminating with Barker's final week with numbers like he hadn't gotten in ages.  I also said "The View will continually eat TPIR for lunch with it's demographic".

[Mr. Brown]

[quote name=\'pentellit\' post=\'225408\' date=\'Sep 8 2009, 10:03 PM\']As they say, "It's better than Barker" (who even took away their candy drawer!).[/quote]

This is definitely a new one... Old Man Barker shakes cane and takes away candy!

[NickS]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225374\' date=\'Sep 8 2009, 03:14 PM\']Longer work days, staff losing their hiatus weeks, and constant demand for "perfection" by the execs has put a strain on both Price and CBS personnel.[/quote]
So I can have a better perspective, can the "longer work days" be defined as well as if staff gets vacation or not?

Also, regarding "perfection," it's a subjective word, but my goals in my profession is for a clean show or a clean spot.  Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.  But the demand for a clean show, i.e. "perfection," is always there.  Is there a different definition of the "perfection" that the execs are looking for?

[Bill Neuweiler]

[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'225416\' date=\'Sep 9 2009, 12:27 AM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225374\' date=\'Sep 8 2009, 03:14 PM\']Longer work days, staff losing their hiatus weeks, and constant demand for "perfection" by the execs has put a strain on both Price and CBS personnel.[/quote]
So I can have a better perspective, can the "longer work days" be defined as well as if staff gets vacation or not?

Also, regarding "perfection," it's a subjective word, but my goals in my profession is for a clean show or a clean spot.  Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't.  But the demand for a clean show, i.e. "perfection," is always there.  Is there a different definition of the "perfection" that the execs are looking for?
[/quote]
 I think that kind of slick performance, near perfection, was just a by-product of barker walking through the same doors for 35 years.   Aside from dementia, how much could the guy screw up?

[chris319]

I think that kind of slick performance, near perfection, was just a by-product of Barker a seasoned professional with live broadcasting chops walking through the same doors for 35 years. Aside from dementia, how much could the guy screw up?

You could make the same point about Dennis James, Tom Kennedy, even Bill Cullen going back to the old days.

It took Barker 30-some years to have his "Dice Game moment" and everyone, apparently even Barker, thought he was finally losing it. How long did it take The Drewster to have his first similar moment? It seems to be the common wisdom that it took a great deal of effort to get Drewski to work the three simple words "without going over" into his patter and he still balked when he had to say them. Again, I was there when Drew escorted a contestant to the downstage side of the Take Two game and while he was saying "You can win these fabulous prizes" on stage, Bart Eskander was screaming "He's on the wrong side of the game! He's on the wrong side of the game!" over the P.L. and the stage manager positioned Drewmeister to the upstage side of the game.