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GSN Scheduling: Pros and Cons
Jim:
Matt,
(I hate to respond in a negative tone to someone who has provided so much entertainment with great Bill Cullen web pages I have enjoyed viewing, but let me just say...)
1.) I guess those reams of data indicate, then, that the 4 o'clock airing of TTTT shows tremendous dropoff from the 3:30 airing of Whammy. I would be surprised, but it's possible.
2.) Those reams of data must also indicate that, at 3:00, there is strong demand from GSN viewers for a rerun of an original. I just don't hear that clamor anywhere.
3.) While they don't owe us anything necessarily, I would think something could be done by them to keep the most loyal viewers they have. They aren't that powerful yet that they can rely on non-game show fans to tune on a whim.
4.) The rerun cesspool programs, in GSN's case, would be stuff like $100,000 Pyramid, repeats of originals, and Family Feud episodes they have already run when there are other seasons they haven't shown. You can only watch the reruns of LMAD so many times before you just don't want to see it. The \"classics\" I was referring to in game show terms would be rarer stuff. My equivalant of \"Molly\" and \"December Bride\" would be the G-T vault and B&E stuff. The answer, if viewership is off 40%, isn't to ram the same reruns of the originals which brought the low ratings to start.
5.) Making arguments on emotion can be sometimes be effective. I doubt most people supporting Wesley Clark have read up on his background and position papers extensively. They simply FEEL he can beat Bush and that's all they need to mob him in appearances.
6.) As to the Bergeron HS argument, I believe that, if that is the only game show you watch or care about, you are probably not much of a game show fan. You like HS because it's \"da bomb\" (after all, it's got Whoopi on it! - er, it used to) and it has lots of celebrities you read about in People Magazine. You are probably not someone who would watch a whole lot of GSN programming. GSN has, to date, been relatively unsuccessful in going after people like this. It may be time to realize that game show programming is a small niche and you won't expand it by putting junk like DJ Games, Love Connection, or Funny Money on.
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As to the Cleveland programming:
1.) Dealer's Choice was part of the hour of \"Prizes and Surprizes\" paired with What's My Line.
2.) I even remember the Prize Movie prize clip everyone thouht was \"Wake of the Red Witch\". I still have to see that movie some time.
clemon79:
[quote name=\'Jim\' date=\'Sep 20 2003, 10:48 AM\'] They aren't that powerful yet that they can rely on non-game show fans to tune on a whim.
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...and we have NEVER been powerful enough (in terms of significant numbers) to be able to dictate ANY programming decisions to GSN.
--- Quote ---Making arguments on emotion can be sometimes be effective.
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Not here.
SplitSecond:
Let's try a little experiment here. Here are two questions. Everyone answer them honestly.
1) Are you part of a Nielsen family?
2) If yes, show would you like to see on the Game Show Network schedule and in what time slot? Also, do you prefer stacks of $50's or are smaller bills more convenient for you?
Matt Ottinger:
--- Quote ---1.) I guess those reams of data indicate, then, that the 4 o'clock airing of TTTT shows tremendous dropoff from the 3:30 airing of Whammy. I would be surprised, but it's possible.
2.) Those reams of data must also indicate that, at 3:00, there is strong demand from GSN viewers for a rerun of an original. I just don't hear that clamor anywhere.
--- End quote ---
\"Tremendous\" and \"strong demand\" are your choice of words, an over-exaggeration because you think it helps make your point. Obviously at that time of night, viewership is negligible regardless of what they air.
Still, what it sounds like you're saying is that a classic TTTT would get a better rating than a rerun of Whammy, and that something -- ANYTHING -- from the G-T or B&E vault would attract more viewers than a rerun of an original. That's an assumption you're making based on your personal preferences. (Mine too, by the way.) What I'm saying is you're probably wrong. They probably get more eyeballs with something that looks newer than they do with something that looks like it obviously came out of the seventies or eighties, even in the middle of the night.
At the very least, you seem to say that since viewership is small anyway, why not air a classic instead? And I'm saying that I have yet to see any logical reason put forward on this forum as to why they SHOULD air a classic. The \"throw us a bone\" argument is all well and good -- and in a different thread, I described my own idea of what that bone could be -- but I could also make the case that the Overnight shows ARE the bone they're throwing us. When they read this forum and see how many of us find ways to even trash THAT, it's pretty easy to imagine them not being all that keen on throwing us any more bones.
Thing is, GSN is in a much better position to actually know what the numbers are than you or I can possibly be, and if they thought they could succeed by airing more classics, that's what they would be doing. It would be a LOT cheaper, and trust me, these people are fans of the classics just like we are. I'm convinced that's the ONLY reason we get B&WO at all.
PeterMarshallFan:
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Sep 20 2003, 12:11 PM\'] If that data told them more people were watching The Joker's Wild [/quote]
Feast of Favorites, number 2......The Joker's Wild. Beat everything except MG. I guess somebody was watching.
--- Quote ---or Peter Marshall's Squares when they were on the FIRST time
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Excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't it get pretty good ratings the first time?
--- Quote ---I've yet to see any convincing argument from anybody why it would be GOOD for GSN to run more classic programming.
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Let me try.....
GSN gets better indvidual half-hour ratings with originals. This is fact. But, if the originals are overkilled to the point where people are sick of watching them and turn channels, that's not good, is it? There is no reason there can't be a schedule that appeals to those who'd rather watch Ward TTTT over Cram AND those who'd rather watch Cram over TTTT. If the schedule had something for everybody, and it's certainly possible, wouldn't that mean BETTER ratings? It would get the diehards AND the desired demos, which combined equals more people watching the channel than just the desired demos alone.
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