Author Topic: Jack Barry (Read 10725 times)

clemon79 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 04, 2005, 09:34:40 PM »

[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'May 4 2005, 06:25 PM\']I wonder how Jack felt about being relegated to local tv in the 60s for so long, hosting several L.A. games and a variety show. There must have been some real frustration over helping to get a game going locally like You Don't Say (for Ralph Andrews), then being told he couldn't be a part when it graduated to a network. I would imagine he appreciated the local work, but knowing he couldn't get in the net doors a few buildings down had to be tough.

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Yeah, he should have thought of that before he rigged Twenty-One.

chris319 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:32:16 PM »

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I wonder how Jack felt about being relegated to local tv in the 60s for so long

How about "I'd be lucky to be hosting 'Dialing for Dollars' in Peoria"?

BrandonFG · « **Reply #32 on:** May 05, 2005, 12:30:48 AM »

[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'May 4 2005, 08:12 PM\']According to the Pat Finn Book of Logic, if "The Joker's Wild" was a game of Definitions, then what does Pat perceive the Canadian show "Definition" to be???

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A joke?

ilb4ever2000 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 05, 2005, 02:50:21 AM »

[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 4 2005, 08:34 PM\']Yeah, he should have thought of that before he rigged Twenty-One.

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Jack had very little, if anything, to do with the actual rigging. He just "went down with the ship"...

Dbacksfan12 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 05, 2005, 02:58:55 AM »

[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'May 5 2005, 01:50 AM\']Jack had very little, if anything, to do with the actual rigging. He just "went down with the ship"...
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Really. Barry/Enright productions. Can't tell me Barry didn't have a say in some of this.

Blanquepage · « **Reply #35 on:** May 05, 2005, 03:15:30 AM »

Although Dan Enright orchestrated the rigging each episode, Jack obviously went along with it. Here's a Dan Enright quote taken from an excerpt of The American Experience Quiz Show Scandal :

next morning, the sponsor called my partner, Jack Barry, and me and told us in no uncertain terms that he never wanted to see a repeat of what happened the previous night. And from that moment on, we decided to rig Twenty-One.

Operative word, "we," not just "I decided to rig Twenty-One."

--Jamie

zachhoran · « **Reply #36 on:** May 05, 2005, 08:41:20 AM »

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Agreed. And I wouldn't mind Finn coming back to TJW if the damn show was done correctly.

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They can use the difficulty level of the 1990-91 questions, which was a bit higher than in the Barry/Cullen syndie years.

ilb4ever2000 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:16:28 AM »

[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' date=\'May 5 2005, 02:15 AM\']Although Dan Enright orchestrated the rigging each episode, Jack obviously went along with it.

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Yes, basically he did know about it. But he had little or nothing to do with the actual production and purposely stayed out of any behind-the-scenes rigging. I swear the Perfesser had something with Herb Stempel where he talked about that, but I can't seem to find it.

Dbacksfan12 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 06, 2005, 05:45:04 AM »

[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'May 6 2005, 03:16 AM\']Yes, basically he did know about it. But he had little or nothing to do with the actual production and purposely stayed out of any behind-the-scenes rigging.
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Did he really now.
His name was attached to the production company. Suffice to say, he was involved in the rigging as well. And you're using the Perfesser as your source? Refute the facts again.

The Ol' Guy · « **Reply #39 on:** May 06, 2005, 08:21:43 AM »

Jack's statement in his 1979 TV Guide interview stated, "I condoned the coaching, but deliberately kepy myself uninformed on details. I felt it would diminish my ability as master of ceremonies - how could I be genuinely surprised if I knew who was going to win? With Van Doren, I presumed as much. Again, it was only a safeguard. Van Doren was brilliant and could have answered 95% of the questions anyway. In our zeal to produce good shows, we lost sight of certain moral issues, which, in retrospect, I recognize as being wrong." So yes, Barry agreed to the fix, but claims to have had minimal details. However --if the incident shown in Quiz Show was actual - the kinescope of Barry calling an answer wrong after the contestant decided to screw with them and give the right answer anyway - then Barry had to catch himself and get back on course - makes you wonder how honest his statement was.

tvrandywest · « **Reply #40 on:** May 06, 2005, 09:17:59 AM »

[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'May 6 2005, 04:21 AM\'] ... if the incident shown in Quiz Show was actual - the kinescope of Barry calling an answer wrong after the contestant decided to screw with them and give the right answer anyway - then Barry had to catch himself and get back on course - makes you wonder how honest his statement was.

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Bob Boden is one of the most knowledgable authorities on the scandals. When "Quiz Show" was newly released he spend an hour detailing the numerous items that were fictionalized for the movie. Redford's work is so well produced that it often feels realistic. But like Oliver Stone's "JFK", it's a movie, not a historically accurate documentary.

Randy
tvrandywest.com

The Ol' Guy · « **Reply #41 on:** May 06, 2005, 10:35:21 AM »

Thank you, Randy. I know Quiz Show has been discussed here ad nauseum and we don't take it 100% at face value. Thanks for clearing that scene up.

chris319 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 06, 2005, 03:58:23 PM »

One of the few aspects of Quiz Show that is historically accurate is that Enright handled the nuts and bolts of the rigging together with producer Albert Freedman. What you don't learn from the movie is that executive producer Bob Noah continued his successful career in game shows after his association with Barry & Enright.