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Ian Wallis

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« on: August 14, 2009, 10:50:53 AM »
In reading the post about GSN's ratings - that the bump from Deal or No Deal has worn off, and that their Saturday night shows aren't doing very well - it got me wondering what the future might hold for GSN as a niche network.

In its history, it's gone through many changes.  It started off with wall-to-wall classics.  Then it started replacing some of those classics with sub-par originals (with a couple of exceptions).  Then it went away from traditional game shows for a while.  Now it's gone back to game shows, with a fewer number of classics but with much better originals.  Still, the ratings just don't seem to be there.

I'm sure we all have our opinions on what we'd like GSN to be.  Some of us would love to see shows like Joker's Wild, Break the Bank and Now You See It return to the schedule.  Somehow I don't see that improving the ratings.  Some of us would like to see them pick up additional libraries (Reg Grundy comes to mind).  Some of us would probably love to see a whole schedule full of originals like the ones they're doing now.  However, if they're not doing that well overall, why go to the added expense?

I think for a lot of us the novelty has worn off after 15 years.  The fact that they overplay some shows doesn't help - how many times can we watch Match Game or Family Feud and still be as excited as we were the first time GSN aired them - especially when those shows are on several times a day?  

Some of us on this forum have stated we don't watch the channel much anymore.  While I think it's true that more variety on the schedule would help a bit, I wonder how many eyeballs out there will catch it and stop when flipping through the channels.  It's kind of a shame that 60,000 episode "vault" gets relatively little use at present.  There are thousands of shows they have (or had) the rights to that have never aired on the network.

Lately they seem to be going after more recent shows.  Is adding shows like Crosswords, Trivial Pursuit or Temptation the way to gain more viewers?  Or maybe last season's daytime Deal or No Deal?

Maybe GSN's happy with the ratings they have and don't expect more.  Maybe they've reached their peak.  Maybe the average viewer out there won't go out of their way to find a 20-year-old game show, or a decent looking original not on conventional TV.

Is there anyway of a win-win situation here for the network, or will it just push on as it has, never really reaching a big audience?  Or, is there a danger of Sony throwing in the towel one day and saying "we tried"?

Any opinions on what the future might hold?
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 11:20:45 AM »
I'd like to believe they are here for the long haul, but why kid ourselves and think they will ever be as well known as USA, TNT, etc. But IMO, changes will need to be made & I just can't see bringing in a game that failed miserably last year will magically become a ratings bonanza on GSN. If I was given the opportunity to run GSN's programming, I'd try 3 hours of quality originals during prime time. If the budget would allow, try to curb rerun abuse of these shows. Nothing worse than following a show and then a few weeks in you notice the same contestants/questions and lose interest. Maybe bring in a new library of recognizable games and do these in daytime(again, it does come down to money to license these). Then maybe toss all of us long time fans a bone and do some 'lost classics' in late evening. Earlier I suggested a checkerboard schedule like prime access time in the 70s, for some of the games that only lasted a year or so. Take an hour and fill it with 2 games each weeknight(maybe a midnight run). One run per week would give longevity to a short lived quality game.  Thoughts????

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2009, 02:04:24 PM »
A necessary ingredient to success for any cable channel is MSO clearance. You can show video of Peter Tomarken having sex with the Kardashians while the Whammy pleasures himself, but without enough households able to watch on less than the most expensive premium tiers of cable service, your viewership and thus your revenues are limited.

GSN has come a HUGE way over the years; let's hope it continues and the channel thrives.

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2009, 02:07:28 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'223025\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:04 PM\']You can show video of Peter Tomarken having sex with the Kardashians while the Whammy pleasures himself,[/quote]
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2009, 02:15:15 PM »
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'223026\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 11:07 AM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'223025\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:04 PM\']You can show video of Peter Tomarken having sex with the Kardashians while the Whammy pleasures himself,[/quote]
Actually, I'm pretty sure you can't...
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2009, 02:22:24 PM »
I think GSN needs to expand their avenues.  If they truly are "The Network for Games", why not pick up some sports programming?  Show some college football or basketball on the weekends.  I'm inclined to believe this would help pick up the ever-desired demographics.  Then, run promos during those events for your other programs.

Another avenue I think GSN should take is to showing some movies once in awhile, that have games behind them; whether it be Quiz Show or Radio.
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2009, 02:31:01 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'223025\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:04 PM\']You can show video of Peter Tomarken having sex with the Kardashians while the Whammy pleasures himself,[/quote]

I think the other way 'round would get more viewers.
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2009, 02:53:00 PM »
Before SoapNet got them, I thought it might be a good idea for the Sony-owned soaps (Y&R and DOOL) to run in prime time, thus creating The Game and Soap Network (GSN).

I think the bloom is off the rose for casino programming as well, though it might be good in late night following the NBC series.

Maybe run it like the independent stations of yore, with Sony sitcoms in the morning, game shows in the afternoon, a couple of Sony's action shows at dinnertime, Sony movies in prime and game shows overnight.  GSN would stand for "General Show Network"  I'm not sure if cable operators would like this though; they seem to want things in niches.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2009, 02:57:14 PM »
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'223025\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 11:04 AM\']You can show video of Peter Tomarken having sex with the Kardashians while the Whammy pleasures himself[/quote]
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2009, 03:11:43 PM »
It would be nice if GSN had more classic programming on, not the same shows over and over, even
then, many of the shows were the same subset of episodes (think "Tattletales" "$25,000 Pyramid" & "Press Your Luck"
for example).  I would love to see the Grundy shows, "Whew!" and others, but I doubt this will ever happen,
especially in the current economic climate.

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2009, 03:57:47 PM »
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'223030\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:31 PM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'223025\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:04 PM\']You can show video of Peter Tomarken having sex with the Kardashians while the Whammy pleasures himself,[/quote]

I think the other way 'round would get more viewers.
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This would have to air during the wee late night hours, along with that vibrator commercial that used to air on B&W Overnight.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2009, 04:05:39 PM »
[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'223046\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:57 PM\'][quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'223030\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:31 PM\'][quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'223025\' date=\'Aug 14 2009, 02:04 PM\']You can show video of Peter Tomarken having sex with the Kardashians while the Whammy pleasures himself,[/quote]

I think the other way 'round would get more viewers.
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This would have to air during the wee late night hours.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2009, 04:42:12 PM »
^ On second thought, this would've brought a whole new meaning to "Big Saturday Night"
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2009, 04:45:01 PM »
The bottom line is: GSN needs to turn a profit. If they're making money, they're happy. If not, they'll diddle with the schedule until it they are.

The big problem with a network focused on game shows is that, with the exception of a very small percentage of the population who enjoy the genre as a whole and not individual shows, game shows have never been appointment TV in the way that, say, a soap opera or a talk show is. So the people scheduling GSN have to deal with what is essentially a transient audience - people who flip on the network, see a show they like, watch it to the end and resume channel surfing. The folks at GSN have to find a way either keep TVs on their channel, or give them a reason to tune in of their own volition.

I'd probably employ this strategy if I were in charge:

1. Dump the million-dollar shows from the schedule. Shows like WWTBAM and DoND don't work on the main schedule because, for the most part, the people watching these shows when they were first-run weren't watching them for the game - they were watching them to see someone potentially win the advertised top prize. Since the vast majority of the episodes shown don't feature a million-dollar winner and viewers already know this, they're likely to flip on GSN, see "Millionaire" in the listing, and say, "Next."

1a. If you must air million-dollar shows, limit each show to 1-2 airings a week. It's ludicrous to think that viewers are going to follow a show like DoND on a daily basis, so rather than stripping the shows, put them on once during the week and once on the weekend. WWTBAM on Mondays, DoND on Tuesdays, 1vC on Wednesdays, and so on. There are three benefits to this strategy: you don't burn through all the episodes of a show in a matter of months, you add variety to the schedule, and you have a chance to air only the "good" episodes from that show ($125K+ wins on WWTBAM, for example).

2. Longer runs of your original series. Unless you plan on rotating them around, doing 8-week seasons of a show means that each episode is guaranteed to air at least six times during the year. If you extend those runs to 13 weeks, it cuts the number of repeats by a third. Whatever additional studio and staff costs you may incur will likely be recouped by the fact that all of the episodes will now stay fresher longer.

3. Rotate the bejeezus out of your library. On the other side of the coin, there's no reason to air your late-night and early-morning shows more than 13 weeks at a time. Use the hours on your schedule between GSN Live and Prime Time to focus on your core shows: Match Game, Feud, Password, Pyramid, PYL, Originals. Outside of those hours, make it a point to shuffle as many shows in and out as possible. You get your money's worth out of the shows you've bought the broadcasting rights to, and you give viewers (both fans and casual viewers) the chance to happen upon a show like Hot Potato or Break the Bank and say, "Hey, this looks new."

4. Marathons on the weekends. Two four-hour blocks of different shows every Saturday and Sunday, leading into prime-time. The fans of those shows get what they want, and those who happen upon a show they like will get to stick with it.

This can all be done with the shows that GSN already has available to them. The Reg Grundy library, while awesome for us, would almost certainly be a wasted investment unless they can get it at a miserly price. Same for TPIR (and there's no way they're getting this cheaply, if at all). No need to produce any more original series, either. Honestly, it's not as if they can do any worse, if the encroaching informercials that now start at 1:00 AM are any indication.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2009, 07:38:36 PM »
You must be out west, because it's 4am when they start here.

Anyhow, I really have to question the ratings, for example, Lane Chain Reaction. There's not that many, and how in the heck are they pulling those numbers with a suck product like that anyhow? Karn Feud is being replayed like all heck, but doing well. Even though most people enjoy the O'Hurley version more anyhow.

When they pulled HS at 3pm, that seemed kind of stupid. Now the Lingo episodes are from 2002. I have a hard time believeing that the "GSN Live" players are staying on that channel, save for the contest at :50 past the hour.