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aaron sica

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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2009, 08:50:02 PM »
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208912\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 08:04 PM\']
MGHS had nothing to do with that.  Trade magazine ads for a new version with Gene as host ran during a subsequent NATPE.  A good portion of this forum is surmising now it must have been for fall 87.  That makes sense because Goodson had TPIR in strip syndication for 85-86 and Card Sharks for 86-87.
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I'm trying to remember but drawing a blank (no pun intended)...were there any new Goodson offerings for 87-88? I know Feud debuted in syndication in 88-89...
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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2009, 09:04:00 PM »
When was TKO set for?
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2009, 09:14:34 PM »
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'208920\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:04 PM\']
When was TKO set for?
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1988 or '89 IIRC.

ETA: pilot taped in November '89, so it looks like 1990.

Didn't Goodson originally try to push Feud for fall-1987? I thought I read somewhere he wanted to, but it got pushed back. Or maybe I'm thinking he wanted it to replace Blackout in spring-1988?
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2009, 09:16:05 PM »
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'208921\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'208920\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:04 PM\']
When was TKO set for?
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1988 or '89 IIRC.
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Really? I recall seeing a 1990 date on it.
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aaron sica

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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2009, 09:28:01 PM »
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'208921\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:14 PM\']
Didn't Goodson originally try to push Feud for fall-1987? I thought I read somewhere he wanted to, but it got pushed back. Or maybe I'm thinking he wanted it to replace Blackout in spring-1988?
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I remember coming across that somewhere, too. I always found it odd that $25K Pyramid came back "due to popular demand" only to be yanked a few months later.....I had no idea what a "stopgap" was at 13 years of age...
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Jimmy Owen

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« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2009, 09:42:15 PM »
In November of 87 the NBC O&O's announced a deal for the new Feud from LBS to replace its sitcom checkerboard in Sept of 88. At the time there was speculation that Goodson would try to obtain a network daytime berth for the show.  There was also a rerun package of Dawson Feud starting in the fall of 85 from Viacom.
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aaron sica

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« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2009, 09:59:28 PM »
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208926\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 09:42 PM\']
In November of 87 the NBC O&O's announced a deal for the new Feud from LBS to replace its sitcom checkerboard in Sept of 88. At the time there was speculation that Goodson would try to obtain a network daytime berth for the show.  There was also a rerun package of Dawson Feud starting in the fall of 85 from Viacom.
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I believe one of the stations airing that was (W)WOR-9 in the NYC market, putting it at 8:30pm right after its 8pm news. It carried the title "Best of Family Feud" IIRC...
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« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2009, 12:45:19 AM »
That package of nighttime Feud repeats ran on WETO (now WEMT) in my hometown market of the Tri-Cities, TN/VA.  It was indeed listed as "Best of..." and when GSN added the nighttime version to its schedule in 1999 or 2000, its listings also carried that title.

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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2009, 10:01:15 AM »
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I remember reading a Gene Rayburn interview from (I think) AP where he claimed he openly lobbied to host the show (not sure if this was before or after Convy pulled out), but was turned down for being "too old," then claimed "Entertainment Tonight" revealing his age to the world ruined his career.
Now that makes all kinds of sense. It sounds like Gene was being facetious in blaming ET for ruining his career. Goodson knew how old Rayburn was. Gene was sort of done after he sleepwalked his way through BTB. Naturally the fanb0iz took Gene's statement as gospel and it is now enshrined as part of Internet mythology.

The memo I saw was written before MG was cancelled by CBS. Goodson felt there were too many hijinks and didn't like Gene's "unbuttoned attitude". Goodson predicted the show would soon be cancelled, which it was. It's possible that Goodson had soured on Rayburn after the '70s/'80s version was cancelled, thinking it was partly Gene's fault, and wasn't too keen on his MG/HS performance.

I remember seeing episodes of FF in the late '80s at 2:30 am on KNBC after the repeat of their 11 pm news. They also ran Crosswits and Classic Concentration in that time slot. After Later with Bob Costas I would tune to Charlie Rose on CBS. It was a short-lived golden era with Tonight, Letterman, Later and Charlie Rose in the same evening.
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TroubadourNando

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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2009, 12:10:23 PM »
Didn't Goodson always oppose the idea of playing MG for laughs though? He was surely smart enough to realize Gene inadvertantly and effectively saved him from a 13-week failure in 1973 by insisting it be played for laughs. Being the highest rated show on daytime is no small feat; I'd also imagine that if Goodson hated that direction so much, he wouldn't have wanted Gene back in 1983, 1987 and 1990 and what we saw with Ross Shafer would have been very different.

I wouldn't totally blame Gene for Break the Bank failing. That show was an utter disaster, and this is coming from someone who got twisted enjoyment out of Eubanks Dollar a Second.
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2009, 02:54:50 PM »
Which also begs the question:  why not have Marshall host the Squares segment of MG/HS and have someone else host the MG portion?  (Possible answers:  Marshall had just failed with Fantasy, Goodson was unused to working with Marshall, Goodson always brought the original host back unless bridges had been napalmed {see Dawson, Richard}.)

I'm going to throw something else in there.  Gene said himself (to someone, I forget whom) that he wished he'd moved out to California rather than commuting.  I've got to think, after having just gone through 9+ years of biweekly flights from New York, Gene was pretty exhausted (and Helen was pretty sick of that).  He looked real happy doing Saturday Morning Live in the few times I caught it... he might have been better off sticking with that rather than going into MG/HS.
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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2009, 06:49:29 PM »
Is there any weight to Gene Wood's comment that Rayburn was 'dragged kicking and screaming into the hour?' I've always taken that to mean he had a contract with Goodson that made him unable to refuse the spot.
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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2009, 02:14:37 PM »
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'208912\' date=\'Feb 26 2009, 08:04 PM\']
MGHS had nothing to do with that.  Trade magazine ads for a new version with Gene as host ran during a subsequent NATPE.  A good portion of this forum is surmising now it must have been for fall 87.  That makes sense because Goodson had TPIR in strip syndication for 85-86 and Card Sharks for 86-87.
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Fall of '87 it is.

13 new shows were showcased at NATPE '87.  6 made it: High Rollers, Win, Lose or Draw, Split Second (Dec. 86 start), Lingo, Home Shopping Game (Summer 87 start, off by September) and Truth or Consequences.  7 did not: Gambit, Late Night Lotto, The New Dream House, Match Game, Secrets and Rumors [hosted by Harvey Korman], Trivial Pursuit and Can You Top This?.  

According to the expert summary, the two winners were going to be Truth and Win.  Million Dollar Chance of a Lifetime was on the bubble, and most stations took Truth as its replacement, sealing its fate.  High Rollers and Secrets were given at least a 50/50 chance, and it retrospect 50/50 was right.  Home Shopping Game was either going to "[be] the next form of television" or "not do well at all."

I also saw a trade ad for 130 episodes of Press Your Luck.  There was no indication whether those were new episodes or just reruns.


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tvwxman

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« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2009, 03:00:06 PM »
Great find!

I wonder if anyone knows if it went to pilot? Chris C?

Did you find any other cool ads with shows coming soon? I always loved those, and would sometimes spend hours in the library searching for them . (Bonus answer : Yes, I know I'm a dork.)
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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2009, 03:08:14 PM »
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'209089\' date=\'Feb 28 2009, 03:14 PM\']
Fall of '87 it is.
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Cool ad.  But if I'm a station manager on January 1, 1987 with any kind of memory, I'm looking at the same old logo and what looks like a prettty old of Gene (he looks a lot younger here than he did in MG/HS, and that sport jacket was totally out of style by the late '80s) and I'd be asking, "Have they thought this out at all, or is this going to be the same old stuff that didn't do well the last time we aired it?"
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