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The Big Board / Re: I've Got A Secret Website
« Last post by Matt Ottinger on May 29, 2023, 10:40:37 AM »
I found the credits of a 1972 show. It lists "Goodson-Todman Telecasts, Inc." on the copyright notice

Interesting.  That's a very specific word to use, and while it might be a coincidence and just a common word to use to describe a television show, it might also suggest some sort of mutual agreement with "Telecast Enterprises" without that entity giving up the rights.

I haven't done nearly the deep dive into the 72 version as I have the original, though I'm beginning to.  If I find anything cool, I'll be sure to share it.
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The Big Board / Re: I've Got A Secret Website
« Last post by chris319 on May 28, 2023, 11:43:29 PM »
I found the credits of a 1972 show. It lists "Goodson-Todman Telecasts, Inc." on the copyright notice, with Firestone as the syndicator. Celebrity was Paul Lynde. Directed by Marc Breslow.

This is what prompted my question about G-T reacquiring IGAS.
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The Big Board / Re: I've Got A Secret Website
« Last post by Matt Ottinger on May 28, 2023, 10:41:36 PM »
What exactly is the lineage of IGAS ownership? Did G-T reacquire it from Telecast Enterprises either for the 1976 four-show run or for the syndicated run made in Hollywood? Did Fremantle
ultimately wind up owning it?

I can't tell you under whose auspices Goodson produced the 1972 and 1976 versions.  "Telecast Enterprises" does not show up in any search of any historical records I can find after 1967.

In 1992, The Carsey-Werner Company announced that they had acquired the rights to the format, and were going to launch a version in the fall of 1993.  That version didn't happen, but they made the 1980 version on Oxygen, and they probably had a hand in (or at least signed off on) the 2006 GSN version.  The press release for the 2023 pilot says that it's "based on the format owned by Werner Entertainment, Inc." (Carsey and Werner have not been producing partners for a long time.)  Fremantle, as best as I can tell, does not have any ownership stake in the format. They just have possession of the old episodes.

IIRC Gil said in his book that Beatrice Foods was involved at some point.

Gil is specifically referring to What's My Line? in a brief passage where he says, "In 1969, in a manner too involved to detail here, the rights to the program passed to Garry Moore's Redwing Productions. In 1971, Redwing sold all of its assets to a conglomerate. If after reading the following pages anybody gets a hankering to revive What's My Line? on television, he will have to negotiate for the rights with Beatrice Foods, Inc., the people who also bring you Stiffel lamps, Samsonite luggage, and Dannon yogurt."

So take that as you will.  This passage might just be about WML? or perhaps Garry's company acquired rights to both shows in that complicated deal.
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The Big Board / Re: I've Got A Secret Website
« Last post by chris319 on May 28, 2023, 06:51:06 PM »
What exactly is the lineage of IGAS ownership? Did G-T reacquire it from Telecast Enterprises either for the 1976 four-show run or for the syndicated run made in Hollywood? Did Fremantle ultimately wind up owning it?

IIRC Gil said in his book that Beatrice Foods was involved at some point.
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The Big Board / Re: Game show hosts you've met
« Last post by chris319 on May 28, 2023, 06:32:07 PM »
I have stories about Allen Ludden.

But will you share them?

Yes, but only in person. Anyone reading this who finds himself in the Hollywood area can hit me up and I'll pick up your luncheon tab.

Betty figures into some of the stories.
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The Big Board / Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
« Last post by chris319 on May 28, 2023, 06:17:34 PM »
Howard Felsher made a grievous error which screwed a contestant on P+. The answer given by the contestant was not the one I had researched and not the one in the show's "script" and not the one on the on-set graphic. Howard was in a hurry to finish the puzzle and go to commercial and made a very bad call.

Ironically, the puzzle was "cable cars" and the contestant guessed "trolley cars". They knew I went to college in San Francisco and I was confident of the answer, but they never consulted me about it. A few weeks after the taping a letter arrived from the aggrieved contestant stating that cable cars and trolley cars are not the same thing. She was right, but I don't think big machers Howard and Bobby ever did anything about it. They never brought that contestant back. I kept my mouth shut the entire time. If you knew Howard and Bobby you'd understand why I didn't want to take them to task. So Howard, why are you paying me to research the puzzles if you're not going to stick to my research? I could have challenged Howard during that commercial but if you knew Howard like I knew Howard ... something about "opening a can of worms".

If anyone has the clues to the "cable car" puzzle, please share and I will look them over again.

All that said, here is the exact language from the P+ bible:

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8.  Best Answer

        Suppose there is a puzzle with the passwords: President, Peanuts, Billy, Teeth, Georgia.  The answer obviously, is Jimmy Carter.  It is conceivable that somebody may indeed exist who is President of a Georgia Peanut butter factory, and has a dog named Billy who has sharp Teeth.  Although the passwords may also happen to describe this other person, Jimmy Carter is the "best answer" to these clues and will be considered the only correct answer.

A cable car moves by means of a moving cable in a slot embedded in the pavement between the two rails. No electrical power is involved.

San Francisco also has many trolley car lines known by the locals simply as streetcars. A single spring-loaded pole extends up from the roof of the streetcar and engages an electrified overhead wire. The streetcar rails ground the vehicle and complete the electrical circuit. The overhead pole is known as a "trolley".

https://www.streetcar.org/wheels-motion/difference/

San Francisco is a compact city. In the 1970's for $11 per month you could buy a "Fast Pass" and get around all over the city on San Francisco's excellent (at the time) municipal transit system.
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The Big Board / Re: "Bingable" game shows?
« Last post by PYLdude on May 28, 2023, 06:14:33 PM »
I lean more toward the English side. I try to watch as much of the current iteration of Catch Phrase whenever Iím able to, and I also like to watch older episodes of Countdown in bunches.
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The Big Board / Re: "Bingable" game shows?
« Last post by BrandonFG on May 28, 2023, 05:31:53 PM »
Watching GSN right now and America Says is on. Itís really come into its own as a fun show to watch on a weekend afternoon. Iíd add most of GSNís current originals.

Not exactly a game show, but Shark Tank too.
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The Big Board / Re: Millionaire: Where would you place this question?
« Last post by chris319 on May 28, 2023, 05:25:23 PM »
An even tougher question would ask on what day of the week was JFK's funeral.

I was 8 years old at the time (you do the math) and we were glued to the TV that entire weekend. I was watching NBC when Jack Ruby pumped a bullet into Oswald's abdomen live on national TV. The reporter was Tom Pettit. Then JFK's casket laid in state in the Capitol rotunda like forever, then there was a funeral procession which also took forever, all covered live on national TV.

Airchecks of the networks' live coverage can be found on YouTube, as well as the local Dallas station's coverage. They are all definitely worth watching.

AFAIK the first bulletin was read on the air by none other than Don Pardo who was on his shift at NBC at the time.

More OB game shows: the real mystery attached to the JFK assassination is the fate of Dorothy Kilgallen, who was covering the trial of Jack Ruby when she died. Somebody felt Dorothy had to be silenced. It's quite a coincidence that John Daly's father in law was Chief Justice Earl Warren of the Warren Commission. I'm sure Daly, who saw Dorothy every Sunday night, kept his father in law well informed about Dorothy's activities. Dorothy's homicide was never fully investigated.
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The Big Board / Re: Millionaire: Where would you place this question?
« Last post by PYLdude on May 27, 2023, 09:16:11 PM »
Indeed a great many eerie parallels with Lincoln and Kennedy.  One that's seldom mentioned is they both died on a Friday before a major holiday.  In President Lincoln's case it was Easter Sunday, and with President Kennedy it was 6 days before Thanksgiving.

I would imagine the reason it's seldom mentioned is that it isn't really very interesting.

Well, maybe not necessarily to you or to me, but presidential trivia buffs always at least pique my interest because of the sheer randomness of the factoids that they possess knowledge of.

(If this came off like a swipe, I apologize because I wasnít intending on that)
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