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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: calliaume on August 22, 2003, 05:04:52 PM
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From the August 11 issue of Publishers Weekly:
The Ultimate TV Game Show Book (Nov., $19.95) by David Schwartz, Steve Ryan and Fred Wostbrock offers fun and facts from more than 50 years of game shows. $40,000 ad/promo. Author publicity
I have no idea what to expect (and I have no contacts at Bonus Books, so I can't get a copy or anything). Given it's the same list price and publisher as EOTVGS, it might be a similar concept, except smaller and eliminating some of the lesser-known shows. (That is just speculation!)
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Aug 22 2003, 04:04 PM\'] it might be a similar concept, except smaller and eliminating some of the lesser-known shows. (That is just speculation!) [/quote]
Your logical thought processes are operating properly ;-)
But I'm told this baby will be far less \"encyclopedic\" and much more \"fun\". Cute facts, fun lists, and of course fresh fotos from Fred!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
WHOOPS - Updated info follows!
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Hey that is wonderful! I can hardly wait for that one!
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That is good to hear! I just hope that Ryan, Schwartz, and Wostbrock, use better discretion in distinguishing a game show from reality television than the media...epsecially the idiots who have ruined the integrity of TV Guide. I have faith in this trio that they will do well.
The Inquisitive One
(That is awesome! Jump the Shark: When Good Things Go Bad was given to me for my 21st birthday! Now this book will be bought for my 22nd! :) )
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After learning about this new book, I have a hunch it's gonna be just like The TV Game Show Almanac by John P. Holms and Ernst Wood, which came out at about the same time as the 2nd EOTVGS edition.
BTW, if Dave, Steve, and Fred need new photos, they can get in touch with me!
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Ruth Halsey of the Big Board!'
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I look forward to this book. Thanks for the information!
Tim :-)
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BTW, if Dave, Steve, and Fred need new photos, they can get in touch with me!
If it's in book stores in November, the book is probably well into production, and might already have gone to the printer. That's the case with virtually all of our books with a November publication month, which you can find here (http://\"http://www.sourcebooks.com\"). (Hey, I have to get a plug in.)
November is the publication month, but the book may start showing up in the larger book stores in October, and will probably start shipping early from Amazon (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566252199/qid%3D1061588658/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-3094913-7857568\") as well.
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OK, DEEP breath everybody...
I was specifically told by one of the authors that this book would NOT happen. He said they weren't able to come to a deal. More than that I'm probably not at liberty to say. I can't imagine what reason he would have for misleading me, though I cannot completely rule out that possibility.
Having said that, there is more detail about what the book would have been (might still be?) at the Amazon site. Yes, Amazon has listed it for some time, and you would think that if the deal fell through, the Amazon page would have disappeared at some point. Draw your own conclusions, but I'm telling you that my information is definitely first-hand.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...product-details (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566252199/qid=1061587609/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-2936685-6388136?v=glance&s=books&n=507846#product-details\")
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I was specifically told by one of the authors that this book would NOT happen.
Odd that it would be in PW if it wasn't going to happen. It's on the Fall preview list, which publishers specifically have to send to the magazine -- and since booksellers read it, they would probably start getting some orders and inquiries. I'm not saying the report is infallible (and I have to tell you that the chances that Bonus Books will spend $40,000 on advertising and promotion are probably none and less than that), but unless somebody in the Publicity department made a big mistake, if it's on this list and if it's listed on Amazon (Volt Press is a subsidiary of Bonus Books), I would think it's in the pipeline.
Still, the authors should know if they're having a book published, right?
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Thanks Matt for posting the link. It looks like it will be a really great book, that is if it does get released.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 22 2003, 04:47 PM\'] I was specifically told by one of the authors that this book would NOT happen. He said they weren't able to come to a deal. More than that I'm probably not at liberty to say. I can't imagine what reason he would have for misleading me, though I cannot completely rule out that possibility. [/quote]
Sad to say, YOU ARE RIGHT, Matt ;-(
I posted earlier based on the info I had about the book's contents. I read your post Matt, and checked: Fresh from one of the authors moments ago comes the word that indeed the book will NOT be released. At least not anytime in the immediate future.
BTW, I spoke to a different one of the authors than you did Matt, just to get another version of the story. Without violating confidentiality, I'll simply say you are correct.
Damn shame!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Tell 'em to send a proposal out here! (No guarantees, of course, but I can at least get a read on it.)
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Say is the EOTVGS still avaiable to order ?
I'm thinking about getting one. Just to see what shows were around in 1992 !
-Joe R.
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Just to see what shows were around in 1992? That's the kind of thing you could ask on this very forum and get an incredibly detailed answer within seconds.
Not that I'm trying to dissuade you from buying the EoTVGS, which contains more information than the brain of any individual poster here (yes, even Zach Horan), and is 30% off at Amazon (http://\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0816038473/qid=1061603851/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-6205089-3227025?v=glance&s=books\"), and there's usually a copy or two in the TV/film section of any given Borders or Barnes & Noble.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Aug 22 2003, 04:04 PM\']From the August 11 issue of Publishers Weekly:
The Ultimate TV Game Show Book (Nov., $19.95) by David Schwartz, Steve Ryan and Fred Wostbrock offers fun and facts from more than 50 years of game shows. $40,000 ad/promo. Author publicity[/quote]
My first thought, I swear: \"that's a strange name for a game show\". \"From Hollywood, it's the $40,000 Ad/Promo Author Publicity!\"
Regarding Amazon, they have screwy pre-order stuff pretty often, actually. They're especially fond of claiming that something is no longer in production when all that's happened is they filled up all their pre-orders.
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Regarding Amazon, they have screwy pre-order stuff pretty often, actually. They're especially fond of claiming that something is no longer in production when all that's happened is they filled up all their pre-orders.
That could be the publisher. If a book sells so little that a reprint is difficult to make work financially, they may sit awhile until the backorders accumulate. Or they may be holding on a decision to put the book out of print.
If there's ever a question about a particular book, check with the publisher. (If it's a Sourcebooks title, you can check with me, I guess.)
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Aug 26 2003, 05:16 PM\']
Regarding Amazon, they have screwy pre-order stuff pretty often, actually. They're especially fond of claiming that something is no longer in production when all that's happened is they filled up all their pre-orders.
That could be the publisher. If a book sells so little that a reprint is difficult to make work financially, they may sit awhile until the backorders accumulate.[/quote]
Actually, the specific example I'm thinking of is a DVD set (Firefly), and it was selling like wildfire (ranked #2 or #3 several days in a row) right up to the point where Amazon started saying it was no longer in production.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Aug 27 2003, 07:00 AM\'] [quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Aug 26 2003, 05:16 PM\']
Regarding Amazon, they have screwy pre-order stuff pretty often, actually. They're especially fond of claiming that something is no longer in production when all that's happened is they filled up all their pre-orders.
That could be the publisher. If a book sells so little that a reprint is difficult to make work financially, they may sit awhile until the backorders accumulate.[/quote]
Actually, the specific example I'm thinking of is a DVD set (Firefly), and it was selling like wildfire (ranked #2 or #3 several days in a row) right up to the point where Amazon started saying it was no longer in production. [/quote]
Couple things. If you have one specific example that you're thinking of, it's probably not very accurate of you to say that Amazon does this sort of thing \"pretty often\". Secondly, from everything I can find, it appears that the Firefly DVD has been delayed by the manufacturer. That's not Amazon's fault. Just as with the books, they work with the information they get from their suppliers. When that information changes, they have to scramble to change theirs.
I can't find anything to support your assertion that Amazon says something is \"no longer in production\" for the purpose of closing off their pre-orders. What a way to lose business, not to mention customer trust. If you must, say that you can't guarantee delivery by the original date, but you wouldn't tell people it's not being made anymore when they can find it a thousand other places. Anyway, seems to me that there would never be a reason to limit the number of pre-orders you took in. If you get more orders than you expect, you just order more from the manufacturer.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Aug 27 2003, 08:00 AM\']If you have one specific example that you're thinking of, it's probably not very accurate of you to say that Amazon does this sort of thing \"pretty often\". Secondly, from everything I can find, it appears that the Firefly DVD has been delayed by the manufacturer.[/quote]
Sorry--I meant to say it was the latest example, and I was mainly pointing out that that particular example didn't involve books, so Curt's explanation couldn't cover things entirely.
Regarding an actual delay, I didn't mean to rule that out entirely. It's just that I'm part of another forum interested in this particular show, among other things, and several members of said forum are so incredibly good at investigating behind-the-scenes matters that I tend to think something like a publication postponement isn't true unless one of them confirms it.