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Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: DrBear on August 22, 2005, 02:13:30 PM
Heard today that WLUK, the Fox affil in Green Bay, is picking up Jeopardy! and Wheel as of Sept. 12. Both had been on WFRV, the CBS-owned station, since they began syndication.


No word yet on what WFRV plans to run in replacement or when during the day WLUK will run it. It had run J at 3:30 (leading in to Oprah) and WOF at 6:30 (with Tuesday preemptions during Packer seasons for a local show).


This comes the same day WLUK was sold by Emmis to LIN.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: StevensM on August 22, 2005, 03:02:40 PM
Those shows are moving to a different station in Milwaukee as well.  Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune currently air at 3:30PM and 6:30PM, respectively, on WTMJ 4, our NBC affiliate owned and operated by the Journal Broadcast Group.

As of next season, the two shows are moving to our local CBS affiliate, WDJT 58, after WTMJ 4 was outbid in its effort to keep the shows for the next few seasons.  The two shows will air in the 6:00-7:00PM block.  I don't know what order they'll air in, though I'm thinking it's likely they'll want to keep Wheel of Fortune in the same time slot, putting Jeopardy! at 6:00PM.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: WhammyPower on August 22, 2005, 03:06:18 PM
[quote name=\'StevensM\' date=\'Aug 22 2005, 02:02 PM\']I don't know what order they'll air in, though I'm thinking it's likely they'll want to keep Wheel of Fortune in the same time slot, putting Jeopardy! at 6:00PM.
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Indeed.  See my LiveJournal post (http://\"http://www.livejournal.com/~whammypower788/47837.html\").
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Post by: uncamark on August 22, 2005, 04:38:54 PM
Interesting, considering that it would supposedly be in Viacom's best interests to keep those shows on their owned station and that "Wheel" and "J!" aren't exactly "Foxified" programming (and KW will still be in the CBS family when the Viacom-CBS split occurs--I'm guessing that Paramount TV may even be renamed King World).

As for Milwaukee, is this WDJT throwing around more money or Today's TMJ trying to dump older demo shows?  (WDJT is owned by Weigel Broadcasting, who owns Chicago true indie WCIU, home of "Feud" in the Windy City.)
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: FOXSportsFan on August 22, 2005, 05:01:44 PM
One of my close pals is actually an intern/occasional prompter operator for CBS 58 in Milwaukee.  He sent me some Wheel and Jeopardy promo gear as a birthday present.  The thing is, as I understand it, the station is a hopeless cause.  It gets literally only a few thousand viewers.  Being on Channel 58 on your dial doesn't help.  Hence, they're on most cable systems as channel 5 to allow for more folks to see em.  The notion then of course would be, rebrand to CBS 5, right?  Well, a former employee took the website url for the rebrand and the whole thing was not to be.  Long story short: WDJT picks up two great shows.  Great, but that doesn't help their "moneymaker", the news operation.  No matter how many awards they get for being the AP's best newscast (VO guy Al Vanik mentions that in the news open), they ain't getting the ratings of Milwaukee giants WISN-12 and Today's TMJ 4 where it counts, their news operations.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: StevensM on August 22, 2005, 06:13:02 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 22 2005, 03:38 PM\']As for Milwaukee, is this WDJT throwing around more money or Today's TMJ trying to dump older demo shows?
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I don't know.  I would think that having the two top syndicated shows on the top network in the area would be a good thing.  The news reported that WDJT won a bidding battle with WTMJ for the shows.  Here's a statement from WTMJ from a few years ago.

"We decided not to renew the three programs," says Channel 4 spokeswoman Mary Alice Tierney. "They're terrific shows. 'Jeopardy' and 'Wheel,' in particular, have been on our air for more than 20 years. We and our viewers have two more years of a great run with them."

A bit ambiguous, I would say.  I guess it's not possible that WDJT did indeed outbid WTMJ since they need viewers.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: DjohnsonCB on August 22, 2005, 07:38:39 PM
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 22 2005, 04:01 PM\']The thing is, as I understand it, the station is a hopeless cause.  It gets literally only a few thousand viewers.  Being on Channel 58 on your dial doesn't help.  Hence, they're on most cable systems as channel 5 to allow for more folks to see em.  The notion then of course would be, rebrand to CBS 5, right?
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What is this, 1962?  I had SO HOPED that by now--heck, by 30 years ago--that UHF had been embraced by most folks as a natural part of the channel dial, that it didn't matter if your NBC, ABC or CBS station was on broadcast channel 5 or 65, so long as you *had* one in your area.  Every TV made since May 1964 has had built-in UHF tuning...which folks in some cities had been watching regularly since 1953.  Cable was supposed to help over-the-air UHF even more, and even if one doesn't have cable, don't they have a strong UHF antenna on their roof?

In Kansas City, WoF and J! come on KSHB-41, and they don't seem to be suffering.  My mom always watches WoF, and as far as she's concerned, it's on Channel 13 (cable).
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Post by: clemon79 on August 22, 2005, 08:06:25 PM
[quote name=\'DjohnsonCB\' date=\'Aug 22 2005, 04:38 PM\']What is this, 1962?  I had SO HOPED that by now--heck, by 30 years ago--that UHF had been embraced by most folks as a natural part of the channel dial, that it didn't matter if your NBC, ABC or CBS station was on broadcast channel 5 or 65, so long as you *had* one in your area.
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People love their Channel Up / Channel Down buttons, tho. And if that means that it's a nuisance to go to Channel 58 when the other major networks are in the single digits and low teens, then they're gonna take a hit because of that.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: TimK2003 on August 22, 2005, 10:11:46 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 22 2005, 07:06 PM\']People love their Channel Up / Channel Down buttons, tho. And if that means that it's a nuisance to go to Channel 58 when the other major networks are in the single digits and low teens, then they're gonna take a hit because of that.
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I had thought I had read somewhere that there is a move to reduce the number of UHF channels once again.  For you young whippersnappers, UHF used to encompass channels 14 thru 83.  Then channels 70 thru 83 were shaved off and I thought the number of UHF channels was going to go below channel 55 at least.

If that scenario is indeed true and with the new digital channels that will replace the old analog channels in the next decade, then the question of where on the dial should be moot as the channels should be much closer together.  Most TVs in the last 15 years can be set to automatically find and save local channels, so really there should be no difference on where they are on the dial -- much like radio nowadays.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: johnnya2k3 on August 23, 2005, 12:34:35 AM
Anyway, over in New Orleans, Wheel and Jeopardy after spending so many years at WWL will be moving to WVUE Fox 8 this fall as well.

Jonathan Allen
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: DrBear on August 23, 2005, 08:32:58 AM
All of which makes me wonder if there weren't a batch of long-term contracts that ended this year, opening rights for bidding.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: sshuffield70 on August 23, 2005, 08:46:47 AM
Considering that ours is going to Viacom from Belo after 18 years, I'd say that's a good assertion.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: uncamark on August 23, 2005, 12:05:58 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 22 2005, 07:06 PM\'][quote name=\'DjohnsonCB\' date=\'Aug 22 2005, 04:38 PM\']What is this, 1962?  I had SO HOPED that by now--heck, by 30 years ago--that UHF had been embraced by most folks as a natural part of the channel dial, that it didn't matter if your NBC, ABC or CBS station was on broadcast channel 5 or 65, so long as you *had* one in your area.
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People love their Channel Up / Channel Down buttons, tho. And if that means that it's a nuisance to go to Channel 58 when the other major networks are in the single digits and low teens, then they're gonna take a hit because of that.
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The area under channel 13 has long been considered beachfront property for cable channels.  Everyone wants it because that's where a lot of people stick around.  That's why in Chicago Fox has a contractual agreement that WFLD 32 will be placed on channel 12 and WPWR 50 on channel 8 (under the old owners, WPWR used to put in their ads "Channel 8 on Most Cable Systems").  The two big Spanish-language stations get below 13 positions--Telemundo WSNS 44 on 4, Univision WGBO 66 on 6 (notice the synchronicity in the channel assignment).  Indie WCIU 26 pitched for and got channel 13.  WMAQ 5, WLS 7, WGN 9 and WTTW 11 stay where they are.  The Trib may have in their contracts that their local news channel CLTV is on 10, right next to their WGN.

The three remaining channels?  Due to interference problems, WBBM 2 had to be moved to 22, 1 on digital tiers is the On Demand channel and recently for whatever reason Comcast moved TV Guide Channel and C-SPAN off of the high profile 2 and 3 slots (especially interesting, since they set the boxes so that the first time you turn them on, you always get TVGC) and up into the 90s, replacing them with what are basically infomercial channels.  There will now be a chorus of "WHA?"
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2005, 01:24:23 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 09:05 AM\']The area under channel 13 has long been considered beachfront property for cable channels.  Everyone wants it because that's where a lot of people stick around.
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Seattle's no different. The WB station, UHF channel 20, airs on cable 10. And KONG, the sister station to KING (get it? King Kong? HAH! :P) is positioned as "KONG 6/16".

Back home, the one that jumped out at me the most was KBHK, which I never got in Monterey, but picked up when I moved to San Jose for college. They position now as "UPN44, Bay Area Cable 12."

And the stations I worked for, which were 35 and 46 over UHF, were on 3 and 5 respectively on the local cable dial.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 23, 2005, 01:52:31 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 12:24 PM\']Seattle's no different. [/quote]
Neither is the Des Moines area.  KPWB23 airs on many different numbers, in my home town it was 17...and FOX17 aired on channel 6...PAX39 aired on 10...we have yet to receive a UPN affiliate.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: FOXSportsFan on August 23, 2005, 04:01:08 PM
Yeah, that's an interesting thing ya mention Chris about the UPN Bay Area affiliate with the double designation.  The most well known double designation I can think of is KNSD 7/39 in San Diego.  

Would I be safe to assume that many stations keep their number for the sake of viewer familiarity and maybe history?  I mean there probably aren't all that many for instance in San Diego who have to flip the old dial to 39 to get to see NBC programming.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2005, 04:30:23 PM
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 01:01 PM\']Would I be safe to assume that many stations keep their number for the sake of viewer familiarity and maybe history?  I mean there probably aren't all that many for instance in San Diego who have to flip the old dial to 39 to get to see NBC programming.
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Post by: TimK2003 on August 23, 2005, 05:05:53 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 12:24 PM\']KONG, the sister station to KING is positioned as "KONG 6/16".

Back home, the one that jumped out at me the most was KBHK, which I never got in Monterey, but picked up when I moved to San Jose for college. They position now as "UPN44, Bay Area Cable 12."

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I'm surprised that there are still TV stations that do the dual-positioning liners.  The last time I remember hearing local TV stations actively announcing their cable channel position was about 20 years ago when WAKC (nee WAKR-TV) Channel 23 in Akron would announce their cable position on one of the local providers as part of the legal ID ("Broadcasting on Medina Armstrong Cable Channel 6, we are TV 23, WAKC...Akron").  

And when I was at college in Toledo in the Late 80s, WNWO (nee WDHO) Channel 24 did the same thing.  Maybe there are still too many different cable providers in the area, with some cities having more than one cable provider.

And then there are the TV stations in Montana, Idaho & Eastern Washington that would have to list all of their transponders (signal boosters) for the remoter parts of their coverage area.  Those stations were the pioneers of the lightning-fast credit rolls you see regularly nowadays.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: Ian Wallis on August 23, 2005, 05:08:29 PM
Anyone know what WWJ in Detroit calls itself?  It's a CBS station on Channel 62.  CBS used to be on channel 2 there (WJBK) but got bumped to 62 when Fox bought a group of stations in the mid '90s.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2005, 05:16:46 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 02:08 PM\']Anyone know what WWJ in Detroit calls itself?  It's a CBS station on Channel 62. 
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According to their website, they are merely "CBS Detroit". Similarly, the UPN on Channel 50 is "UPN Detroit".
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Post by: TimK2003 on August 23, 2005, 05:17:14 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 04:08 PM\']Anyone know what WWJ in Detroit calls itself?  It's a CBS station on Channel 62. 
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I think they still officially call themselves CBS-62.  Like most of the Radio & TV channels just "South of the Border" in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, they seem to mention their call letters (WWJ-TV) almost subliminally.  That may have changed in the few years since I last was in Detroit watching Letterman on that channel.
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on August 23, 2005, 07:35:40 PM
The "network/city" branding, as I recall,  was one of the many not so great creations by FOX in the mid 1990s. Charlotte and Philadelphia were among some of the affiliates that axed their channel number for the city branding.  Since then, the FOX Philadelphia returned to being branded as FOX 29.  FOX Charlotte has kept their name as is.  If only they kept Mark Mathis (http://\"http://www.markmathis.org\") around...

And, it's still very much a practice used around the country...Chris cited the duopoly in Detroit.  Pittsburgh's UPN affiliate is another prime example as well.  And, heck ABC's affiliates in Alaska fall under the "ABC Alaska" brand.
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Post by: tvwxman on August 23, 2005, 08:01:11 PM
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 06:35 PM\']  FOX Charlotte has kept their name as is.  If only they kept Mark Mathis around...
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Well, this finally proves it.

Quit trying to pass yourself off as knowledgeable in the field of television. You're failing miserably.  Claiming that this coke-d out, no talent train wreck should be a part of the local television news landscape may be your opinion, but the rest of us ( who have far more successful tv careers than you )  know better. We learned that the day he put Charlotte viewers in danger by ignoring storm warnings so he could do his comedy routine.

But hey, i'm not going to bother with you and a flame war on this subject. In fact, i'm putting you into the ignore list immediately. It's where you belong.

And if you're wondering why I know infinitely more about this subject than you ever will, check out my resume.

And, by the way, the Fox 18 brand switch to Fox Charlotte didn't happen in the 90s. It happened in 2002.
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Post by: dzinkin on August 23, 2005, 08:09:34 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 05:17 PM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 04:08 PM\']Anyone know what WWJ in Detroit calls itself?  It's a CBS station on Channel 62. 
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I think they still officially call themselves CBS-62.  Like most of the Radio & TV channels just "South of the Border" in Windsor, Ontario, Canada, they seem to mention their call letters (WWJ-TV) almost subliminally.  That may have changed in the few years since I last was in Detroit watching Letterman on that channel.
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It would surprise me if they still called themselves CBS62 after all of the promotions they ran upon getting nearly all Detroit-area cable systems to put WWJ on channel 9.  But it's been a long time since I've seen a promo from there, so I have no idea what they're running nowadays.
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Post by: FOXSportsFan on August 23, 2005, 08:21:21 PM
For clarification for the hey of it: Mathis is the guy that brought their newscast ratings, and sadly in the end, that's all that ever matters.  He increased FOX Charlotte's ratings by some 60%.  People sort of gave him the Cosell treatment.  You like him or you hate him, either way people watched him.  And on his site, you note that he can be serious if the scenario makes itself known.  I have yet to see any of his work at the low rate Colorado station, but the guy has had demons in his life (drinking the sassparilla if you will).  I used FOX Charlotte as the first example of the rebrand I could think of, I didn't intentionally mean to say they did it first, but coming after the previous sentence, the implication makes perfect sense.
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Post by: clemon79 on August 23, 2005, 08:44:27 PM
Wow. Just wow. I can hear the dulcet tones of En Vogue in the distance...
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Post by: rugrats1 on August 23, 2005, 09:14:43 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 07:09 PM\']It would surprise me if they still called themselves CBS62 after all of the promotions they ran upon getting nearly all Detroit-area cable systems to put WWJ on channel 9.  [/quote]

Though I wonder how effective that is, since there's likely bleedover from CBET, which broadcasts on ch.9.

Of course, it's probably not as boneheaded as across the river in Windsor, where Cogeco has WJBK ch.2 on cable 7, where you can expect bleedover from WXYZ.
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Post by: mmb5 on August 24, 2005, 02:12:42 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 04:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 02:08 PM\']Anyone know what WWJ in Detroit calls itself?  It's a CBS station on Channel 62. 
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According to their website, they are merely "CBS Detroit". Similarly, the UPN on Channel 50 is "UPN Detroit".
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The resident Detroiter (well, at least a resident of the Detroit market) confirms the research of Mr. Lemon.  They changed the branding about two years ago, which for those of us who could remember the heyday of Channel 50, was the final nail in the coffin.


--Mike
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Post by: uncamark on August 24, 2005, 11:52:14 AM
And the two Fox-owned stations in Chicago do not identify themselves by *any* channel number--WFLD is referenced as "Fox Chicago" and WPWR as "UPN Chicago."  "FLD tried it in the early 90s to no success, so they went back to "Fox 32"--except that "Thirty-Two" was spelled out in much smaller print than "Fox."

Where my mother lives in Colorado Springs, KOAA is known as "NBC 5/30"--but that's because the station's licensed to Pueblo and the repeater in Colorado Springs is on channel 30 (or vice versa)--I believe that it's on channel 5 on cable.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 24, 2005, 12:20:04 PM
Re: Detroit.  There was an article recently in the paper that 25% of the city was without cable and those folks could no longer watch Tiger games due to cable exclusivity.  It's probably hard to believe, but not everyone has cable.  So for those folks, CBS is on 62.
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Post by: Terry K on August 24, 2005, 07:08:18 PM
In my market in Missouri, the local FOX recently changed call letters (to KSFX from KDEB) and subsequently changed the positioner from Fox 27 to Ozarks' FOX, the rationale being that they were on cable in different places on different numbers (like in Springfield they're on 2, other places its 4 and so on)

As far as that goes, I think we're going to see more of these rebrands than less of them.  Especially with Stations moving off of the VHF dial (bear in mind most TV stations between 2 and 6 will likely have to move with the advent of Digital TV coming.  (There are a number of technical reasons they have to move, the least of which is that DT signals don't work well on low numbered VHF stations)
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 25, 2005, 11:30:17 AM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 23 2005, 11:05 AM\']The Trib may have in their contracts that their local news channel CLTV is on 10, right next to their WGN.
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Maybe not.  CLTV is currently at 53 on my system (I think it had been at 39 since we got it, albeit much later than most of the other systems in the area).

Doug
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Post by: DrBear on August 25, 2005, 12:53:07 PM
The numbers do change, even within nearby systems, in part because the systems get bought and sold, and major operators buy systems near theirs and put everything on the same channels.

On a side note, when I first got cable, WGN was on channel 9 (as it is in Chicago) and TBS was on 17 (as it is in Atlanta); they've both been moved a few times. On our system, WGN is on 1, TBS on 25 (and this is a Time Warner system; you'd think they'd give Turner stations a lower spot).

Back to Wof and J - They're also switching stations in Milwaukee, from WTMJ (NBC, Channel 4) to WDJT (which bills itself as CBS-58).
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Post by: ChuckNet on August 25, 2005, 07:05:45 PM
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Where my mother lives in Colorado Springs, KOAA is known as "NBC 5/30"--but that's because the station's licensed to Pueblo and the repeater in Colorado Springs is on channel 30 (or vice versa)--I believe that it's on channel 5 on cable.

Same deal w/San Diego's NBC affiliate, KSND (Ch. 39), referred to on-air as "7/39" for the same reason.

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Post by: uncamark on August 26, 2005, 03:45:50 PM
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Where my mother lives in Colorado Springs, KOAA is known as "NBC 5/30"--but that's because the station's licensed to Pueblo and the repeater in Colorado Springs is on channel 30 (or vice versa)--I believe that it's on channel 5 on cable.

Same deal w/San Diego's NBC affiliate, KSND (Ch. 39), referred to on-air as "7/39" for the same reason.
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But it is over-the-air channel 5 in Pueblo (and the channel 30 translator is in Colorado Springs).

And their legal address in Colorado Springs (which seems to be where their main studios are now) is--ahem--530 Communications Circle.  How much did they pay off the city to get that street address?

ObGameShow:  They aren't airing any now, but they've always been an NBC affil, so at least they did air NBC shows.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 26, 2005, 03:57:31 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 26 2005, 02:45 PM\']And their legal address in Colorado Springs (which seems to be where their main studios are now) is--ahem--530 Communications Circle.  How much did they pay off the city to get that street address?

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In Des Moines, KCCI Channel 8...is at 888 9th st....is the Colorado Springs station Hearst-Argyle by chance?
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Post by: SRIV94 on August 26, 2005, 04:33:35 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Aug 26 2005, 02:57 PM\']In Des Moines, KCCI Channel 8...is at 888 9th st....is the Colorado Springs station Hearst-Argyle by chance?
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Why not 8th Street?  Would seem to be fitting.  :)

Doug
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Post by: clemon79 on August 26, 2005, 05:02:29 PM
The most egregious offender here (though only tangentially broadcast related) is Microsoft. Address: One Microsoft Way.

And I got news for you. I used to live on 156th Avenue NE, and I could pull out of my driveway, go in a straight line, and cruise right by the main entrance to the MS campus. Microsoft Way my ass. ;)
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Post by: DjohnsonCB on August 26, 2005, 07:42:24 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Aug 26 2005, 03:33 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Aug 26 2005, 02:57 PM\']In Des Moines, KCCI Channel 8...is at 888 9th st....is the Colorado Springs station Hearst-Argyle by chance?
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Why not 8th Street?  Would seem to be fitting.  :)

Doug
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Based on my last (September 1990) run-in with the guy in charge of programming who doubled as the local news movie reviewer, 666th Street would have been more appropriate!
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Post by: rugrats1 on August 26, 2005, 09:28:47 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 26 2005, 02:45 PM\']And their legal address in Colorado Springs (which seems to be where their main studios are now) is--ahem--530 Communications Circle.  How much did they pay off the city to get that street address?
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Probably not much -- the general rule is that you can have any address number you want, as long as it's between the address numbers of your neighbors.

As for "Communications Circle" -- chances are they built a new sidestreet to go along with their new studios.

[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Aug 26 2005, 02:57 PM\']In Des Moines, KCCI Channel 8...is at 888 9th st....is the Colorado Springs station Hearst-Argyle by chance?
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Looking at their website (http://www.koaa.com/), I don't think so.
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Post by: cacLA8383 on August 26, 2005, 10:27:52 PM
Staying on original topic (sort of) WVUE-TV in New Orleans (FOX affiliate) has picked up the rights to air J! and Wheel effective Sept. 12th at 6 and 6:30 (central time) WWL-TV (CBS affilate) has aired J! and Wheel since the beginning of their syndie runs also. Just thought I'd add that on.
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Post by: TimK2003 on August 27, 2005, 09:35:25 AM
Exactly with what Rugrats said.  If it's  a newer side street or private thoroughfare, they can number the street any way they want.

Another classic example of such.

Back in the day when Fox 2/WKBK in Detroit was the CBS affiliate and owned by Storer Broadcasting, their address was officially known as 2 Storer Place, even though they were technically on 9 or 10 Mile Road in suburban Detroit (Southfield), but their little half-circle driveway was the private drive aka 2 Storer Place.


And in the case of a station being on a street where the neighbors are not right next to you, some stations can get creative with their addresses a bit.  Case in point, in suburban Cleveland (Parma), there is a street where 2 TV stations (WBNX-Ch 55) and (Univision-Ch 61) built their transmitter sites long after the street was built.  

WBNX is 28*55* W. Ridgewood Drive, and Univision is at 28*61* W. Ridgewood.  Coincidence?
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: sshuffield70 on August 27, 2005, 07:44:32 PM
KRLD-AM (1080) had been lucky with its' two previous studios.  The John Carpenter Studio (Dallas)_carried two different addresses, 7901 Carpenter Freeway (the building now houses our Jack-FM and Live 105.3) and 1080 Metromedia Place (who owned the station when they moved there in the 70s).  The building has been across the street from WB33 since 1984.  The last studio, Ballpark Studio (Arlington), was at 1080 Ballpark Way.  The Ballpark itself is at 1000 Ballpark Way.  So, sometimes, it's perfect placement, not just finagling.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: DrBear on August 27, 2005, 08:17:34 PM
If it's a new development or an unnamed street, its easier to get a "vanity" address. For example, the Brett Favre Steakhouse in Green Bay is on basically a curve on another street. The village it's in voted to make the curve a new street so the address is 4 Brett Favre Pass.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: aaron sica on August 27, 2005, 09:04:05 PM
Swinging back a bit to the show moves....

In Scranton/WB, "Family Feud" has truly come full circle. When the show premiered in the fall of '99, it aired on 3pm on WYOU. After flip-flopping back and forth between WNEP (16-ABC), and WBRE (28-NBC) for the last 5 years (at 10am), the show returns to WYOU (22-CBS) at 3pm this fall.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: DrBear on August 30, 2005, 06:57:16 AM
Just to wrap up the situation in Green Bay:

WLUK is running J/WOF together at 6/6:30 pm CT (WLUK runs its local news from 5-6, so the shows run against news at 6 on the other three network affils). WLUK is also running what it calls "Jeopardy II" (the second-run, which it says are last-years eps) at 11 am (WFRV hadn't run those).

WFRV gets Entertainment Tonight (which had run at 6:30 at WLUK) and is replacing J at 3:30 with the revived A Current Affair.

WFRV, which (when I did a story) a couple of years ago said it considered the shows "the gold standard" in syndication, now says it hopes getting ET will help it "skew younger" coming out of its news.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: 14gameshows on August 30, 2005, 12:36:34 PM
I just saw a commercial promoting Jeopardy's move back to the station that it started at in the Roanoke-Lynchburg market...WDBJ-7 in two weeks.  Are Wheel and Jeopardy switching flagship stations in NY and LA?
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: aaron sica on August 30, 2005, 01:22:42 PM
[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Aug 30 2005, 12:36 PM\']I just saw a commercial promoting Jeopardy's move back to the station that it started at in the Roanoke-Lynchburg market...WDBJ-7 in two weeks.  Are Wheel and Jeopardy switching flagship stations in NY and LA?
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Very doubtful, considering that they are both ABC O&O's....
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: PYLdude on August 30, 2005, 09:07:12 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Aug 30 2005, 01:22 PM\'][quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Aug 30 2005, 12:36 PM\']I just saw a commercial promoting Jeopardy's move back to the station that it started at in the Roanoke-Lynchburg market...WDBJ-7 in two weeks.  Are Wheel and Jeopardy switching flagship stations in NY and LA?
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Very doubtful, considering that they are both ABC O&O's....
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And that somebody would have said something about it long ago (namely Zach, or me if I got to it before he did).
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: bellbm on August 31, 2005, 03:11:01 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Aug 30 2005, 12:22 PM\'][quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Aug 30 2005, 12:36 PM\']I just saw a commercial promoting Jeopardy's move back to the station that it started at in the Roanoke-Lynchburg market...WDBJ-7 in two weeks.  Are Wheel and Jeopardy switching flagship stations in NY and LA?
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Very doubtful, considering that they are both ABC O&O's....
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IIRC, the ABC O&Os have a pretty long term deal with King World for J! & Wheel!
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: SteveRep on August 31, 2005, 10:45:03 PM
Just one significant time switch in the DC market:

WUSA-9 (CBS) moves WWTBAM from 4 pm to 10:30 am, right before TPIR.

Everything else holds -- double-run FF on WDCA-20 at 10 am and WOF/J at 7 and 7:30 on WJLA-7.
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: GSWitch on September 01, 2005, 08:29:41 AM
In Dallas, WFAA lets go of both Wheel & Jeopardy! & they switch over to the exclusive home (except for Family Feud) of game shows, KTVT-11.

So KTVT will have TPIR, Millionaire, Jeopardy! & Wheel.  Since I use to live in Houston & that the games are now on a CBS affiliate, I'm right back where I started from!
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: sshuffield70 on September 01, 2005, 08:31:38 AM
[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Sep 1 2005, 07:29 AM\']In Dallas, WFAA lets go of both Wheel & Jeopardy! & they switch over to the exclusive home (except for Family Feud) of game shows, KTVT-11.

So KTVT will have TPIR, Millionaire, Jeopardy! & Wheel.  Since I use to live in Houston & that the games are now on a CBS affiliate, I'm right back where I started from!
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<WWTBAM loss> No, the correct answer is WWTBAM will be on WFAA replacing J!
Title: WOF, J! moving in Green Bay
Post by: GSWitch on September 01, 2005, 11:36:21 AM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Sep 1 2005, 07:31 AM\'][quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Sep 1 2005, 07:29 AM\']In Dallas, WFAA lets go of both Wheel & Jeopardy! & they switch over to the exclusive home (except for Family Feud) of game shows, KTVT-11.

So KTVT will have TPIR, Millionaire, Jeopardy! & Wheel.  Since I use to live in Houston & that the games are now on a CBS affiliate, I'm right back where I started from!
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Except for Family Feud, looks like Houston & Dallas (I-45) will have a match!

KHOU/KTVT = The Price Is Right/Jeopardy!/Wheel
KTRK/WFAA = Millionaire