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Title: NBC Orders "Multiple" Episodes...
Post by: curtking on July 08, 2005, 11:55:36 AM
As had been speculated, NBC is picking up "Deal or No Deal".  Here's the link to Variety, complete with the God-awful headline:

NBC sez let's make a 'Deal' (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117925617?cs=1&s=h&p=0\")

Curt
Title: NBC Orders "Multiple" Episodes...
Post by: BrandonFG on July 08, 2005, 12:22:07 PM
[quote name=\'curtking\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 10:55 AM\']As had been speculated, NBC is picking up "Deal or No Deal".  Here's the link to Variety, complete with the God-awful headline:

NBC sez let's make a 'Deal' (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117925617?cs=1&s=h&p=0\")
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NBC, please do this right. In other words, whatever you did with "21", "Weakest Link", and "LMAD", do the exact OPPOSITE with this show. Then again, the network is so desperate for a hit show, they'll prolly take Top 40 ratings. :-P

At any rate, they're at least trying to get a prime-time show going, so maybe this show can do well enough to cause a much-needed jumpstart of the genre, and maybe it'll last longer than 7 months. ;-)
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Post by: goongas on July 08, 2005, 12:35:45 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 11:22 AM\'][quote name=\'curtking\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 10:55 AM\']As had been speculated, NBC is picking up "Deal or No Deal".  Here's the link to Variety, complete with the God-awful headline:

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NBC, please do this right. In other words, whatever you did with "21", "Weakest Link", and "LMAD", do the exact OPPOSITE with this show. Then again, the network is so desperate for a hit show, they'll prolly take Top 40 ratings. :-P

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What exactly did NBC do wrong with WL, except to air celebrities all the time?
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Post by: CarbonCpy on July 08, 2005, 01:22:02 PM
[quote name=\'goongas\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 11:35 AM\']What exactly did NBC do wrong with WL, except to air celebrities all the time?
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It got cancelled. [/deadpan]
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Post by: uncamark on July 08, 2005, 02:28:05 PM
[quote name=\'CarbonCpy\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 12:22 PM\'][quote name=\'goongas\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 11:35 AM\']What exactly did NBC do wrong with WL, except to air celebrities all the time?
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It got cancelled. [/deadpan]
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They also overscheduled it and overpromoted it (the show hadn't even premiered yet and millions of Americans were already sick of Anne Robinson and "you are the weakest link--goodbye!").  It looks like an unscripted show works best when they sneak it through the back.  Compared to the fall schedule, ABC sneaked "WWTBAM" through the back.  "Survivor" wasn't hyped that much.  Even "Idol" wasn't hyped that much its first year.  And if you told ABC that their biggest show this summer was going to be a ballroom dancing competition...

I'm not too happy that Snot Bomb is going to follow what Steve Brown did for the ABC pilot and drop the quiz element, but we'll see what happens (and after spending five years hearing people give stupid answers to quiz questions on "Street Smarts," maybe it's understandable).  As long as they don't make Billy Bush the host.
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Post by: StevensM on July 08, 2005, 03:51:18 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 01:28 PM\'][quote name=\'CarbonCpy\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 12:22 PM\'][quote name=\'goongas\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 11:35 AM\']What exactly did NBC do wrong with WL, except to air celebrities all the time?
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It got cancelled. [/deadpan]
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They also overscheduled it and overpromoted it (the show hadn't even premiered yet and millions of Americans were already sick of Anne Robinson and "you are the weakest link--goodbye!").  It looks like an unscripted show works best when they sneak it through the back.  Compared to the fall schedule, ABC sneaked "WWTBAM" through the back.  "Survivor" wasn't hyped that much.  Even "Idol" wasn't hyped that much its first year.  And if you told ABC that their biggest show this summer was going to be a ballroom dancing competition...

I'm not too happy that Snot Bomb is going to follow what Steve Brown did for the ABC pilot and drop the quiz element
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I think that the non-stop celebrity editions were the definite killer of primetime Weakest Link.  Even though you're right about Americans' reaction to the catchphrase and host, it didn't stop them from watching and giving the first few episodes great ratings.  It's a shame the show went to two celebrity editions a week; had NBC been more judicious in promoting the show, I wouldn't be surprised if it were still on today.

I also think that Americans would have liked George Gray as host in place of Anne Robinson.  He did a nice job on the syndicated daily version.

As for Deal, I agree that it would've been nice if the quiz element were retained, though I suppose that's just partially because there is no quiz show in primetime right now; were there, I'm not sure I would criticize the decision on Deal or No Deal.  I hope that the modified version really is an improvement.

By the way, if anyone's wondering what the show is, check out Endemol's site (http://\"http://www.endemol.com/format_descriptions.xml?id=109\").

Remember that to be a contestant, send an e-mail with contact information and your photo to dealcasting@lockandkey.tv (dealcasting@lockandkey.tv)
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Post by: WhammyPower on July 08, 2005, 04:04:37 PM
[quote name=\'StevensM\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 02:51 PM\']Remember that to be a contestant, send an e-mail with contact information and your photo to dealcasting@lockandkey.tv (http://\"http://mailto:dealcasting@lockandkey.tv\")
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Corrected link: dealcasting@lockandkey.tv (dealcasting@lockandkey.tv)
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Post by: chris319 on July 08, 2005, 05:44:02 PM
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giving the first few episodes great ratings
This was the result of hype and novelty factor. Once those two things wore off, the public gradually lost interest. Same with Twenty One. In the case of WL, the game sucked right out of the gate. Soon the players and audience stopped taking Anne seriously and started seeing her as a comedic figure, making a mockery of the chilling schoolmarm figure she was in the British version. In the case of Twenty One, the game didn't work in the '50s unless it was rigged, and the 2000 version was no better.

Once, while listening to Rush Limbaugh on KFBK while driving to the bay area, reference was made to a P.R. gimmick which had Anne Robinson being accompanied by a bodyguard 24 hours per day due to threats to her life and personal safety as the surly mistress of ceremonies on WL. Rush rightly pointed out that if a person has a 24-hour bodyguard, the first thing you DON'T do is disclose it to the public.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 08, 2005, 05:53:09 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 04:44 PM\']This was the result of hype and novelty factor.[/quote]
I think you'll find, however, that the civilian episodes garnered higher ratings then the celebrity episodes--and when NBC foolishly went to all celebrity editions--the ratings tanked.
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Post by: chris319 on July 08, 2005, 06:15:34 PM
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The winner faces 26 cash boxes, containing cheques varying from a measly amount to millions. Without knowing the content in each box, he picks one

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the Banker, offers the player an amount of money in exchange for his cash box. Does he strike a deal with the Banker, or does he keep playing?
Treasure Hunt meets Let's Make A Deal, only this time Emile Auturi gets replaced with motorized spotlights -- proof that there are no new ideas.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
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Post by: chris319 on July 08, 2005, 06:17:55 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 02:53 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 04:44 PM\']This was the result of hype and novelty factor.[/quote]
I think you'll find, however, that the civilian episodes garnered higher ratings then the celebrity episodes--and when NBC foolishly went to all celebrity editions--the ratings tanked.
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It has been demonstrated many times in the past that when a game show is on the skids, bring in the celebrities (e.g. Celebrity Whew!, Celebrity All-New Beat the Clock and Celebrity WWTBAM).
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Post by: tvwxman on July 08, 2005, 06:28:10 PM
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The winner faces 26 cash boxes, containing cheques varying from a measly amount to millions. Without knowing the content in each box, he picks one

=== SNIP ===

the Banker, offers the player an amount of money in exchange for his cash box. Does he strike a deal with the Banker, or does he keep playing?
Treasure Hunt meets Let's Make A Deal, only this time Emile Auturi gets replaced with motorized spotlights -- proof that there are no new ideas.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
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While I agree with the definitive look for 'new' ideas in the TV biz, I respectfully disagree with the ZZZZZ assessment...having seen both the Aussie and French version of this show, I can tell you it's good TV, even without the quiz element....Watching the French vers in Paris, and not understanding the language, I could understand how tense the game was, esp when the host made the contestant cry(!) agonizing the decision!!!!

I'm looking forward to seeing how we butcher this. :)
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Post by: chris319 on July 08, 2005, 06:45:23 PM
I'm not saying it won't be a good show, I'm saying that any clod can take elements of 40-year-old game show formats and mush them together into a new show. Old wine in new bottles. Remember Wordplay? Remember Call My Bluff?

Is it plagiarism? You be the judge. It certainly isn't innovation.
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Post by: chris319 on July 08, 2005, 06:54:45 PM
And another thing ...

LMAD and TH had a wide variety of deals/payoffs, albeit a little corny sometimes, but nobody could fault them for lacking variety. Sounds to me like this job is going to be the same deal over and over and over and over and over again.
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Post by: Stackertosh on July 09, 2005, 12:20:28 AM
I throught weakestlink was good with anne i hated the  george gray verson. like i said when nbc makes a game show they over do it like lmad  and i think a show like that shouldn't be on for a hour. i think they should of made it like the spanish one simple and plane
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Post by: chris319 on July 09, 2005, 01:39:36 AM
NBC doesn't make game shows; production companies do.
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Post by: tvrandywest on July 09, 2005, 03:00:16 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 09:39 PM\']NBC doesn't make game shows; production companies do.
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Then NBC screws 'em up.   ;-)
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Post by: Craig Karlberg on July 09, 2005, 04:27:08 AM
Good point Randy about NBC screwing up game shows.  That makes me wonder when's the last time NBC had a really good game show in primetime.  Something tells me it was the late 60's with the original Hollywood Squares.

Speaking of switching networks, I've seen a few cases where shows switch networks due to lackluster ratings.  But this is the first that I know of where NBC "acquires" a show that was originally tagged with ABC before it was greenlit as a series.  I guess there was some "wheeling & dealing" with the production company involved in this.

Not only is it part TH & part LMAD, but it might feature a dash of "Say WHen" into the mix.  Should be intresting to see how this plays out.
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Post by: Brig Bother on July 09, 2005, 07:16:33 AM
To be honest, most Endemol shows work along the same lines, by taking simple, solid gameplay ideas and not messing them up. They are good shows, but can't help but feel a bit soulless.

The quiz element really is nothing to write home about, judging by all the other versions I've seen.
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Post by: chris319 on July 09, 2005, 03:34:41 PM
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 12:00 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 8 2005, 09:39 PM\']NBC doesn't make game shows; production companies do.
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Then NBC screws 'em up.   ;-)
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Fred Allen described the job of a network executive thus (paraphrasing): He comes in at 9 am and finds a molehill on his desk. He then has eight hours to turn it into a mountain.
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Post by: chris319 on July 09, 2005, 03:39:28 PM
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To be honest, most Endemol shows work along the same lines, by taking simple, solid gameplay ideas and not messing them up. They are good shows, but can't help but feel a bit soulless.
Right you are. It's called formula TV.

Let me pose this question: What about this show is going to change from one week to the next besides the contestants and the locations of the cheques in the boxes?

I still say "Endemol" sounds like a brand of cough syrup.
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Post by: davemackey on July 09, 2005, 03:48:27 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 03:39 PM\']I still say "Endemol" sounds like a brand of cough syrup.
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It sounds like a mass-suicide cult. Instead of "I'm going to end it all", they say "We're going to end 'em all."
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Post by: clemon79 on July 09, 2005, 03:54:01 PM
"Have YOU been constipated lately? Try Endemol."
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Post by: BrandonFG on July 09, 2005, 05:15:25 PM
[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 02:48 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 03:39 PM\']I still say "Endemol" sounds like a brand of cough syrup.
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It sounds like a mass-suicide cult. Instead of "I'm going to end it all", they say "We're going to end 'em all."
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I seriously always thought it sounded like something you'd find on the feminine products aisle. And now to borrow from Lemon:

"Ladies, got cramps? Endemol!"
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Post by: Kevin Prather on July 09, 2005, 05:15:49 PM
"Have you been injured in a local Nordstrom's recently? Call the law offices of Hobbs and Hoobs today. Do your part. Endemol."

...Wow, that was terrible.
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Post by: Brig Bother on July 09, 2005, 08:26:10 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 07:39 PM\']Let me pose this question: What about this show is going to change from one week to the next besides the contestants and the locations of the cheques in the boxes?
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Very little, probably. But it is a format which seems to have proven itself in plenty of markets whether or not it changes from week to week.

Needless to say, I'm sure they'll find some way to mess it up.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on July 09, 2005, 08:57:48 PM
This is like "Punch a Bunch" on a grander scale.  There is seemingly nothing new under the sun.
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Post by: TimK2003 on July 09, 2005, 09:25:31 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 12:39 AM\']NBC doesn't make game shows; production companies do.
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But NBC decides whether to take 30 minutes of game show play and either turn it into a 22-minute fast-paced show or milk it into a 44-minute slow-motion Chinese water torture.
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Post by: tvwxman on July 09, 2005, 09:46:57 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 08:25 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 9 2005, 12:39 AM\']NBC doesn't make game shows; production companies do.
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But NBC decides whether to take 30 minutes of game show play and either turn it into a 22-minute fast-paced show or milk it into a 44-minute slow-motion Chinese water torture.
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If I remember correctly, the aussie was both a half hour show (one game contained), or a ninety minute prime time show, with a little less than two games, but also had the quiz element... Since they've already announced there won't be a quiz, I would think a half hour game would be smart (WOULD be smart), maybe doing two to fill the hour...

I know i'm going to sound like the little children on this board, but let's try to reserve pans for DoND until it actually airs, Okay? Let's accentuate the positive and be grateful that another game show is entering prime time waters....and that maybe some success will lead to more....

WHAT? Billy Bush is hosting? Aw, F-it.....
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Post by: sshuffield70 on July 10, 2005, 12:11:10 AM
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Right you are. It's called formula TV.

Let me pose this question: What about this show is going to change from one week to the next besides the contestants and the locations of the cheques in the boxes?

I still say "Endemol" sounds like a brand of cough syrup.
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I dunno.  Sounds like Endemol could "end 'em all" as far as game shows.
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Post by: Gus on July 10, 2005, 07:58:55 PM
Referring to the Variety article:

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"THAT'S TOO MUCH!"

I couldn't resist.
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on July 10, 2005, 08:10:55 PM
I don't see how they are going to eliminate trivia totally.  I'm wondering if they mean there is no trivia in the entire game or just in the money portion.  Just choosing a random contestant seems kind of crappy if you ask me, but whatever.  It's nice to have a new game show here.  It's too bad that we can't get any original ideas instead of borrowing from other countries, but oh well.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on July 10, 2005, 08:17:31 PM
We could always go back to "Who wants to date a Hooters girl".
That said, what was the last American game to be exported? Greed?
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Post by: BrandonFG on July 10, 2005, 08:53:49 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 10 2005, 07:17 PM\']We could always go back to "Who wants to date a Hooters girl".
That said, what was the last American game to be exported? Greed?
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Even though it was a revival of an older show, 21 began in the states, so I'd count that.
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Post by: WhammyPower on July 11, 2005, 07:00:47 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 10 2005, 07:53 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 10 2005, 07:17 PM\']What was the last American game to be exported? Greed?
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Russian Roulette in 2002.  Twenty-One was in 2000.
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Post by: BrandonFG on July 11, 2005, 07:17:31 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:00 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 10 2005, 07:53 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 10 2005, 07:17 PM\']What was the last American game to be exported? Greed?
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I thought RR was based on an overseas format? I want to say Germany.

Either way, 21 is the most US show to start up a foreign format, late-2004/early-2005 in Canada. I think UK Greed was 2001.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on July 11, 2005, 08:57:09 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:00 PM\']Russian Roulette in 2002.  Twenty-One was in 2000.
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Foriegn format.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on July 11, 2005, 08:57:46 PM
[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:00 PM\']Russian Roulette in 2002.  Twenty-One was in 2000.
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Foriegn format.

Does anyone want to count "I'm a Celebrity. Get Me Out of Here!?"  Nah, didn't think so.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: sshuffield70 on July 11, 2005, 09:16:50 PM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 07:57 PM\'][quote name=\'WhammyPower\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:00 PM\']Russian Roulette in 2002.  Twenty-One was in 2000.
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Foriegn format.

Does anyone want to count "I'm a Celebrity. Get Me Out of Here!?"  Nah, didn't think so.

Brandon Brooks
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Nope, another British import.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on July 11, 2005, 09:23:52 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 07:57 PM\'][quote name=\'WhammyPower\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:00 PM\']Russian Roulette in 2002.  Twenty-One was in 2000.
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Foriegn format.

Does anyone want to count "I'm a Celebrity. Get Me Out of Here!?"  Nah, didn't think so.

Brandon Brooks
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Nope, another British import.
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A-VAROOOM!
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Post by: sshuffield70 on July 11, 2005, 11:11:10 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 08:23 PM\'][quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 07:57 PM\'][quote name=\'WhammyPower\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 06:00 PM\']Russian Roulette in 2002.  Twenty-One was in 2000.
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Foriegn format.

Does anyone want to count "I'm a Celebrity. Get Me Out of Here!?"  Nah, didn't think so.

Brandon Brooks
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A-VAROOOM!
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on July 11, 2005, 11:31:27 PM
Would a whoosh of a whoosh be a gotcha?
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Post by: pianogeek on July 11, 2005, 11:52:36 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 10:31 PM\']Would a whoosh of a whoosh be a gotcha?
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And I thought...

(Colin Mocherie) Two thongs don't make a right. (/Colin Mocherie)
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Post by: sshuffield70 on July 12, 2005, 09:11:51 AM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 11 2005, 10:31 PM\']Would a whoosh of a whoosh be a gotcha?
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