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This has been on my mind for quite sometime. (I'm bored at work)
If you could revive Card Sharks, what would you change or not change? What would you add, or take away? What is your idea of a great solid format to your version of Card Sharks?
And for a $50 follow-up, what were the rules to the Pilot of the CaSINO '01?
I've been pondering about a self-contained format to Card Sharks, but not like the crap that came out in 2001 though. I'm in favor of adding an additional element to the game play as far as another "Card game" besides classic Acey-Deucy, but keeping Acey-Deucy as the final game before Money Cards is played..like normal.
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Expand it to two hours and stage it in a casino with two guys from ESPN describing the action.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'May 12 2005, 09:54 AM\']Expand it to two hours and stage it in a casino with two guys from ESPN describing the action.[/quote]
Bah!
Use real sharks.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'May 12 2005, 09:37 AM\']
And for a $50 follow-up, what were the rules to the Pilot of the CaSINO '01?
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*sniff* See? Someone appreciates me!!!!!! ;-)
Seriously, I think Randy posted about it at the time on ATGS, an ambitious look at Google Groups should turn it up.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'May 12 2005, 09:37 AM\']This has been on my mind for quite sometime. (I'm bored at work)
If you could revive Card Sharks, what would you change or not change? What would you add, or take away? What is your idea of a great solid format to your version of Card Sharks?
And for a $50 follow-up, what were the rules to the Pilot of the CaSINO '01?
I've been pondering about a self-contained format to Card Sharks, but not like the crap that came out in 2001 though. I'm in favor of adding an additional element to the game play as far as another "Card game" besides classic Acey-Deucy, but keeping Acey-Deucy as the final game before Money Cards is played..like normal.
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I've just completed a possible format over on the other boards. I've taken the original format for CS, but it was intended as a self-contained by using "Squares" elements (namely keep playing until time runs out and assign money values to each game). The first two I had for $250 (this was based on a previous 2/3 format at $250 per game), $500 for the third, and (if I had gotten there, which I didn't this time) $750 for the fourth and thereafter (reason being I didn't want someone to win the first three then possibly lose on the fourth.) For time purposes, you might assign 10 or 11 questions (based on Perry CS).
Then, mostly following the CS '86 rules, the champ would play for up to $80,000 in the Money Cards by starting at $500. The only rule changes besides the money was that the minimum bet would be $100, and. because of that, the bet had to be in hundreds.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'May 12 2005, 09:37 AM\']If you could revive Card Sharks, what would you change or not change? What would you add, or take away? What is your idea of a great solid format to your version of Card Sharks?
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I'd follow the original Perry/Eubanks format vs the recent disasterous remake.
For regular gameplay, go with the Perry format -- No "Educated Guess" questions or the 10-Person in-studio questions.
As far as the Money Cards go, I'd use the Eubanks/$32K structure, keep the "Pushes = No Harm, No Foul" rule, keep Perry's "one change at beginning of each level only" rule, but ditch the jokers and the post-MC Bonus Games.
And I would use the original Card Sharks/Double Dare theme!!!
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I had an idea that combined the original version with some of the 01' elements...
4 to 2 players
1 to 2 seperate lines of cards
1st Game- $250, 2nd game- $250, 3rd Game- 500, 4th game and any afterward....1000
Format stays the same, higher or lower...questions also stay the same. However, when a player wishes to change a card, they use a chip clip as before (this adds the "reality" element that produces want, and it stretches the show out so that each game is contained in each show-something that is also important to producers now.)
Money Cards- spotted 500 on first level, 1000 on second level.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'May 12 2005, 08:48 PM\']I had an idea that combined the original version with some of the 01' elements...
4 to 2 players
1 to 2 seperate lines of cards
1st Game- $250, 2nd game- $250, 3rd Game- 500, 4th game and any afterward....1000
Format stays the same, higher or lower...questions also stay the same. However, when a player wishes to change a card, they use a chip clip as before (this adds the "reality" element that produces want, and it stretches the show out so that each game is contained in each show-something that is also important to producers now.)
Money Cards- spotted 500 on first level, 1000 on second level.
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MC I agree with, since it matches mine. I (and perhaps others) question the "chip clip" element from '01. We (if indeed it is we) would rather see the game as it is traditionally played instead of looking like a completely different game with an old name. The "chip clip" seemed to be an unneeded element.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'May 12 2005, 06:48 PM\']I had an idea that combined the original version with some of the 01' elements...
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1st Game- $250, 2nd game- $250, 3rd Game- 500, 4th game and any afterward....1000
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Money Cards- spotted 500 on first level, 1000 on second level.
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Gosh, why bother to have a first three games? I could just step out for a Cold One, or indulge a prurient fantasy in the first three, then win the fourth and force a tiebreaker. That makes NO sense. AT ALL.
And the money cards...$80,000? Your budget, I s'pose, but that's way more than necessary.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'May 12 2005, 08:33 PM\']And the money cards...$80,000? Your budget, I s'pose, but that's way more than necessary.
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If he's shooting for syndication, yes, way too much. If he's shooting for network weekly hour, I'm not so sure. After all, how many times on Weakest Link did they give away even six figures, much less the possible million dollars? How many times did they even crack $20K on the regular Money Cards, much less the max? You gotta think it would be RARE for a $40K payday, much less $80K.
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Hook the contestants up to scuba gear, lower them on a line, and have them play with Blake Emmons hosting. If Blake gets eaten by a shark, the players can change a card at any time.
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I haven't seen CaSINO (count me blessed?). So, based on that, my idea for a revival mirrors everyone else's. Personally, I prefer a 2-out-of-3 match and a straddling format. But, if we have to go one match and one bonus per ep, here's how...
\ Game 1 and 2: $100; Game 3: $200; Game 4 and onward: $400 (depending on the budget, producer may feel free to multiply by 2, 2.5 or 5).
\ High/low questions: Keep them to 100-people and educated guesses. While an interesting concept, the 10-person audience polls slowed the pacing of CS86.
\ Time running out in mid-game: A series of buzzers sounds -- indicating the next question (whether the fourth or not) is sudden death. You might remember this is how the final match in the original CS finale had to end.
\ In case both players have the same amount of money when the match is over, both players are given another high/low question. Then, players secretly write down their answers. After the break, the answers are revealed. Player closer to the right number wins. (In case one player wrote down, say, 48 and the other 52 when the actual number of people say whatever is 50, edit out that question from the final product and play a new tie-break.)
\ Money cards: Similar to CS86 -- but player starts with $250 and is awarded $500 more when reaching the center row.
\ Car: The CS86 car games were interesting -- but also chewed up lots of show time (Between them, the 10-person polls, interviews Bob Eubanks would conduct with one out of the 10, then sometimes having to ask "Who's got control?" when getting back to the cards, is it any wonder why any 3rd game of a CS86 match was reduced to a one question sudden death affair?) So, let's take a cue from Britain's Play Your Cards Right; when a player reaches a pre-determined goal of money when reaching the big bet row, then calls that last card higher/lower correctly, player wins the car as a bonus.
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[quote name=\'dmota104\' date=\'May 13 2005, 06:59 AM\']\ While an interesting concept, the 10-person audience polls slowed the pacing of CS86.
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Which may have been deliberate to prevent two Money Cards playings in the same day for budgetary reasons. And when it was discovered that Bob Eubanks' giggling and his other ancillary crap were slowing it down too much, the third round became a one-question round to get at least one bonus game played. The foregoing is merely theory.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'May 13 2005, 08:53 AM\']Which may have been deliberate to prevent two Money Cards playings in the same day for budgetary reasons. And when it was discovered that Bob Eubanks' giggling and his other ancillary crap were slowing it down too much, the third round became a one-question round to get at least one bonus game played. The foregoing is merely theory.
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Funny you mention that. I vaguely recall one episode before the car, 10-people, educated guess, etc., was instituted, all that show contained was the match -- and no money cards. I think the match went the distance (3 games) -- but Bob admitted they had "too much fun today".
Oy!
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Was it possible for the CBS run to have three bonus games played (Money Cards/Car Game) or only get to the Money Cards? IIRC, during H2 last season some woman swept through the show playing the front game three times and played the bonus game twice or vice versa.
That's why I was asking.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'May 13 2005, 11:32 AM\']Was it possible for the CBS run to have three bonus games played (Money Cards/Car Game) or only get to the Money Cards?
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I suppose it's possible. The hypothetical scenario would likely start the show with a Money Cards playing, have the cards run after the first question in both the first and second rounds by the same player and then have that cycle repeat followed by
a third playing of the Money Cards. However! I can see Bob (don't call him Bobby--he'll deck ya HAW HAW HAW) being given the stretch signal if this was happening and we know Bob can stretch. Not like Richard Dawson could stretch [by the way, I hope it's clear that Richard was never even considered for the Card Sharks revival] but he could do it. So could Bill Rafferty as he had to tap dance for a minute or so while a Gold Run board was being set up on Blockbusters on a few occasions.
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After checking out some comments, I could be persuaded (if I'm looking from a budgetary perspective and syndication) at doing a 1/1/2/3....and keeping the 200/400/32000 from CS '86. I seriously doubt CS could work as a prime time show....but if it could, that's when you can use the $80,000.
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'May 13 2005, 11:32 AM\']Was it possible for the CBS run to have three bonus games played (Money Cards/Car Game) or only get to the Money Cards? IIRC, during H2 last season some woman swept through the show playing the front game three times and played the bonus game twice or vice versa.
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As has been said in this thread, given the pacing of Eubanks CS over Perry CS, I'd say not likely. There was one episode in late 1987 that had two complete matches(both maingames ended after two or three questions) and Money Cards/car rounds in one show. That was as close as they got.
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My idea of a new version of Card Sharks would be this (I dreamt this and we'll see if I do my best thinking asleep)
This format does not contain straddling, and actually takes the money cards format into the main game.
Control is decided either by a high/low survey or multiple choice trivia question (with the prerequisite buzzers). Whoever gets control gets $200 to bet with on the first card. Main game rules apply with the addition of betting high/low on each card, $50 minimum in first three rounds, $100 in sudden death. Same cards lose control of cards but not bet. Opponent would then get a free shot for $200, with the same options of betting/freezing. The winner of each game gets $500. You play until time runs out...this could break out different betting strategies late in the game (bet a lot on a 7 to catch up, bet the minimum on a 3 or a King to protect a huge lead). Player with most cash when time runs out wins the game. TIME CAN RUN OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME AND STOPS RIGHT THERE (no sudden death to finish). A toss up trivia question would break money ties at the end.
Money Cards format I would take from CS86 without the car element. Let them just play for the cash.
Champions could stay on for five days. Bring the car for a tournament of champions among five time winners and/or highest cash totals of season and give the car to the tourney winner.
All right, discuss...those who wish to flame this, save yourself the trouble. I'll do it....keep dreaming.
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All right, discuss...those who wish to flame this, save yourself the trouble. I'll do it....keep dreaming.
You can say that again....
On second thought, don't bother....
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An early 1980 ep of Perry's version came close...they started w/the MC, then the next match was wrapped up after just 2 questions (and this before the $500 run bonus was instituted...pity for the champ! LOL), but the match after the next MC dragged a little, and time ran out somewhere in the middle.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Mine almost resembles urbanpreppie's. My idea would use only one element from the 2001 version. Here's how I'd do it.
Two players, each with their own row of cards. Survey questions used to determine who gets a shot at their cards first with the option to change. At the last question, sudden death rules. After one game, two new players come in. Same as before. The two winners then play each other, again, same rules as before. The winner goes on to Money Cards. This coming from an idea by Steve Shuffield, the player starts out with $500. Must bet at least $100 on each card. Only thing is, it doesn't always have to be in the hundreds. A player can bet dividends of $50, as long as they're over $100. On the second row, the player is given another $1,000. Big Bet, as always, must bet at least half as much. Highest possible payout would be $80,000. The car round would also be in play.
In fact, I just now made a Palace game out of the idea at EPlanet. :-)
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[quote name=\'Johnissoevil\' date=\'May 15 2005, 09:41 AM\']Mine almost resembles urbanpreppie's. My idea would use only one element from the 2001 version. Here's how I'd do it.
Two players, each with their own row of cards. Survey questions used to determine who gets a shot at their cards first with the option to change. At the last question, sudden death rules. After one game, two new players come in. Same as before. The two winners then play each other, again, same rules as before. The winner goes on to Money Cards. This coming from an idea by Steve Shuffield, the player starts out with $500. Must bet at least $100 on each card. Only thing is, it doesn't always have to be in the hundreds. A player can bet dividends of $50, as long as they're over $100. On the second row, the player is given another $1,000. Big Bet, as always, must bet at least half as much. Highest possible payout would be $80,000. The car round would also be in play.
In fact, I just now made a Palace game out of the idea at EPlanet. :-)
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Slight problem with that, John. The EPlanet CS is based on the old Ultraplex CS......which was instituted by...........
(well, you know the answer.........)
OOPS!!! ;) ;)
Betcha they still use the same pics, too.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'May 12 2005, 08:22 PM\'][quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'May 12 2005, 09:37 AM\']If you could revive Card Sharks, what would you change or not change? What would you add, or take away? What is your idea of a great solid format to your version of Card Sharks?
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I'd follow the original Perry/Eubanks format vs the recent disasterous remake.
For regular gameplay, go with the Perry format -- No "Educated Guess" questions or the 10-Person in-studio questions.
As far as the Money Cards go, I'd use the Eubanks/$32K structure, keep the "Pushes = No Harm, No Foul" rule, keep Perry's "one change at beginning of each level only" rule, but ditch the jokers and the post-MC Bonus Games.
And I would use the original Card Sharks/Double Dare theme!!!
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So... what you're saying is that you'd recast the 78-81 version... with the 86-89 Money Cards...
I don't know, man... It just seems like it's going nowhere in a visionary POV. But that's just me.
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$250 a game. Two games wins the match. $1000 bonus for a run. $1000 plus $500 a day for an exact guess on the survey number (my nod to Play The Percentages). Money cards: I like the idea above for a potential $80K payoff.
Double or nothing possibility on your most recent Money Cards playing by selecting one of seven cards by placing a joker over the chosen card (like the CAR game was played) except you can't earn more jokers during the bonus round.
Contestant continues until defeated or wins leventy billion dollars.
Host: Matt Ottinger
Announcer: David Zinkin
Producer: Chris Clementson
Me: What A Suck-Up