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Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 07, 2005, 04:10:39 PM
"Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions"


On your TV screen today, they can be seen everywhere. Logos (both clear and opaque), tickers (known as "scrolls"), large graphics, animated graphics (involves the logo or promotes a show), shrunken credits, show promotions, and TV ratings. It's hard to believe that things like on screen logos were originally used to prevent illegal use of a station's material (Cable News Network for example), yet nowadays they appear "useful" to distinguish one channel from another or remind viewers that they are watching "GSN", or Game Show Network as I still call it. Not only do most of these almost permanent “fixtures” of TV can make in uneasy for the eyes of TV viewers, depending on its appearance, but can frustrate many VCR users who want to archive shows and those who just want to watch without interruption. Here's a good example of such a dilemma:

Lets say a viewer wants to record a Game Show Network marathon of "The Joker's Wild", yet during every show some sort ticker or large promotion for "Casino Night" that is much larger than the network's logo made an appearance. The viewer realizes he or she has no control around the graphics and must be forced to carry the legacy of TV's biggest mistake on videotape until it's finally realized these type of graphics are pests. The "Coming Up Next" graphics from the Game Show Network we watched 2004 can actually be tolerated, yet since becoming "GSN" (whatever that stands for), graphics from the tickers to the logo have increased to the point of you asking yourself (or a friend, relative, employee) "Is this really necessary?" I guess Game Show Network has forgotten that it’s actually possible to use a more tolerable ticker; remember “The Gong Show” 25th anniversary marathon (which I taped, by the way).  

After Game Show Network's change in public image, longtime viewers noticed that almost every time a program ends, show & network promotions would squeeze the credits into a tiny box (this brings our "The Joker's Wild" taper to mind). Sometimes one can feel sorry for the folks behind the scenes of shows such as "Match Game", "Blockbusters", "Tic-Tac-Dough", and even "Russian Roulette". From music composers to the directors, their names must sadly suffer as "GSN" promotes original programming above their heads.

Before ending this lengthy article, we return to the large on screen promotions, plus I must touch the issue behind "TV ratings". Game Show Network must be aware that their own promotions actually effect a show's on screen elements, such as the questions/answers on "Who Want To Be A Millionaire" and any version of "Password". Here’s another blackeye for the viewers, TV ratings. Since the Federal Communication Commission's crusade as some sort of "caretaker" or "enforcer" for children began during the early 1990s, television has been placed under the fear of fines, requirements, and TV ratings (TV-G, Y, Y7, PG, 14, MA). Young children and adults don't need "TVPG" to warn them of "Match Game's" seemly mature elements, the former must face this reality head-on as they grow up into full-fledge mature young members, or they will always find the humor seen in "Match Game" as something numerous folks in the government and in groups ("parent groups" and such) as something "indecent". As for the parents, only they can explain certain elements of shows don't seem "wholesome".

My goodness so many issues covered in less than an hour (according to the computer clock). The issues I brought before y'all must never be ignored or else Game Show Network (or GSN), the FCC, and much of television in general shall always enjoy the liberty of ruining the viewers' television experience.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 07, 2005, 06:33:50 PM
That was an incredible amount of typing to say nothing whatsoever.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 07, 2005, 09:07:12 PM
Hopefully this address of rarely discussed non-scheduled programming issues with the Game Show Network and TV in general was never a waste in the long form.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: tyshaun1 on April 07, 2005, 10:26:34 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 09:07 PM\']Hopefully this address of rarely discussed non-scheduled programming issues with the Game Show Network and TV in general was never a waste in the long form.
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Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 07, 2005, 10:46:32 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 06:07 PM\']Hopefully this address of rarely discussed non-scheduled programming issues with the Game Show Network and TV in general was never a waste in the long form.
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Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: FeudDude on April 07, 2005, 10:49:29 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 08:07 PM\']rarely discussed non-scheduled programming issues
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I see you've never been to the GSN board.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on April 07, 2005, 11:06:19 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 08:07 PM\']Hopefully this address of rarely discussed non-scheduled programming issues with the Game Show Network and TV in general was never a waste in the long form.
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...this looks like something that came out of Babelfish.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 07, 2005, 11:49:27 PM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 08:06 PM\'][quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 08:07 PM\']Hopefully this address of rarely discussed non-scheduled programming issues with the Game Show Network and TV in general was never a waste in the long form.
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...this looks like something that came out of Babelfish.
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Which end?
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: parliboy on April 08, 2005, 12:04:01 AM
Oh, dear, Lemon.  You've gone and used a bad culture reference.  If it were coming out of the rear end of the Babelfish, we would be able to understand the OP; for the fish excretes mental energies understandable by all in the universe.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 08, 2005, 03:21:36 AM
[quote name=\'parliboy\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 09:04 PM\']Oh, dear, Lemon.  You've gone and used a bad culture reference.  If it were coming out of the rear end of the Babelfish, we would be able to understand the OP; for the fish excretes mental energies understandable by all in the universe.
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I actually went back and checked my Ultimate Hitchhiker's to confirm this.

I thought the brainwaves in question were merely "given off", but they are in fact "excreted".

Nonetheless, shit is still shit.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Matt Ottinger on April 08, 2005, 10:38:59 AM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 11:06 PM\'][quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 7 2005, 08:07 PM\']Hopefully this address of rarely discussed non-scheduled programming issues with the Game Show Network and TV in general was never a waste in the long form.[/quote]...this looks like something that came out of Babelfish.[/quote]
Reminds me of the awkwardly translated-from-Japanese instructions you find sometimes for cheap electronics equipment.

I would have responded to the original message, but I dozed off in the middle of it.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 08, 2005, 10:55:18 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Apr 8 2005, 10:38 AM\']Reminds me of the awkwardly translated-from-Japanese instructions you find sometimes for cheap electronics equipment.

I would have responded to the original message, but I dozed off in the middle of it.
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I hope Mario500's day job is not writing instruction manuals, then. :)
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: BrandonFG on April 08, 2005, 11:55:05 PM
Could be worse...Irismason could've written the thread.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 09, 2005, 12:00:30 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Apr 8 2005, 11:55 PM\']Could be worse...Irismason could've written the thread.
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Maybe they're related.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: CarbonCpy on April 09, 2005, 02:59:05 AM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Apr 8 2005, 10:55 PM\']Could be worse...Irismason could've written the thread.
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Don't encourage 'em.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 11:12:59 AM
Folks, when I typed out "Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions", I figured it would actually spark some debate over the on screen graphics seen on the Game Show Network and almost every other station. Unfortunately it appears nobody is taking my writing style seriously, yet this forum topic has managed to reach 14 replies now. We cannot let the stations or even the Federal Communications Commission (see "E/I" logo recently added to certain programs) get away with these distracting, unnecessary, and deliberate ways of getting their messages out.

Game Show Network may be realizing its past mistakes now, but the issue with the graphics (all 3 tickers, the promotional banners during programming, etc.)  must not be ignored or else they all win and viewers still lose.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 09, 2005, 11:18:38 AM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 11:12 AM\']Unfortunately it appears nobody is taking my writing style seriously,

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It's very hard to take it seriously when we can't understand what's written.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on April 09, 2005, 11:29:03 AM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 10:12 AM\']Unfortunately it appears nobody is taking my writing style seriously,
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Gee, ya think?

You know we're making fun of your argument...and yet you're still presenting the argument.  Something is not getting through here.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: dzinkin on April 09, 2005, 11:44:54 AM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 11:29 AM\'][quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 10:12 AM\']Unfortunately it appears nobody is taking my writing style seriously,
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Gee, ya think?

You know we're making fun of your argument...and yet you're still presenting the argument.  Something is not getting through here.
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You are talking to someone who still believes that we were wrong to leave ATGS, and that we could somehow get the miscreants to leave that group if we would only "unite together."

'Nuff said?
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 12:08:43 PM
The original post has been re-edited for clarity, plus I must inform some that my crusade to save the Alt.TV.Game-Shows Usenet group ended many months ago after realizing that everyone else has moved on to something better.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: MikeK on April 09, 2005, 12:13:55 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 11:12 AM\']Unfortunately it appears nobody is taking my writing style seriously, yet this forum topic has managed to reach 14 replies now.[/quote]
It's difficult to take someone seriously when they tout that they were the 5,000,003th person to visit a web site.  Never mind that that number has absolutely no importance, but 5,000,003th?

ObGS:  Hollywood Squares was played in the 2th half of The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Tim L on April 09, 2005, 01:55:03 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 11:08 AM\']The original post has been re-edited for clarity, plus I must inform some that my crusade to save the Alt.TV.Game-Shows Usenet group ended many months ago after realizing that everyone else has moved on to something better.
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"My Crusade?"..Not exactly like you were on a religious mission.."Banding Together" was tried at ATGS-The problem was no way to control the idiots..at some point..We were going to move somewhere whether Matt and Chris took the lead or not..talk about naieve..
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 09, 2005, 02:14:53 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 11:12 AM\']We cannot let the stations or even the Federal Communications Commission (see "E/I" logo recently added to certain programs) get away with these distracting, unnecessary, and deliberate ways of getting their messages out.

Game Show Network may be realizing its past mistakes now, but the issue with the graphics (all 3 tickers, the promotional banners during programming, etc.)  must not be ignored or else they all win and viewers still lose.
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It's all a conspiracy! You are right! We have to stop those aliens from manning the control booths!!
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 09, 2005, 02:50:51 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 09:08 AM\']The original post has been re-edited for clarity,
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You failed.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: melman1 on April 09, 2005, 03:42:40 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 08:12 AM\']Unfortunately it appears nobody is taking my writing style seriously,[/quote]
By jove, I think he's got it.

Do they still rant on like that on GSN's boards?  I hate credit crunches, I hate credit crunches... blah, blah, blah.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 09, 2005, 03:56:04 PM
[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 03:42 PM\']
Do they still rant on like that on GSN's boards?  I hate credit crunches, I hate credit crunches... blah, blah, blah.
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Are you kidding? That's about 90% of their traffic over there. :)
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: BrandonFG on April 09, 2005, 05:21:15 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 10:12 AM\']Unfortunately it appears nobody is taking my writing style seriously, yet this forum topic has managed to reach 14 replies now.[/quote]

OK...I wonder if it's because you're saying stuff like:

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We cannot let the stations or even the Federal Communications Commission (see "E/I" logo recently added to certain programs) get away with these distracting, unnecessary, and deliberate ways of getting their messages out.

Or remember the time when you said,
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Game Show Network may be realizing its past mistakes now, but the issue with the graphics (all 3 tickers, the promotional banners during programming, etc.)  must not be ignored or else they all win and viewers still lose.
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That's prolly why nobody is taking you seriously. You're talking about GSN as if it's Dr. Claw or something. If they don't get rid of the pop-ups, then they win and we lose? Hell, I thought we won when they brought back some classic shows. Do I like squeezed credits and all? Not really, but if I'm getting some classic GSN, then I think I can manage. Now, do you want me to order you an ice cream pony, or will you be content?

Oh, and BTW, the E/I logo is not recent. TV show's have been using that since at least '97 or so, prolly simultaneous with TV ratings (Jan. 1997).
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 05:26:38 PM
As someone who reads messages at the Game Show Network boards everyday, there is barely no discussion on the network's graphics aside from the so-called "credit crunches" or should I say shrunken credits. Unlike many posters there, I'm trying to start a discussion on the issue of screen graphics that ruin our viewing experience, plus it's a VHS archivist's worst nightmare.

A True Story:

During Game Show Network's last "Feast of Favorites", I taped both airings of "The Joker's Wild" and unfortunately Game Show Network had the will to ruin the program for less than 10 seconds (with Jack Barry's introduction and welcome) with a ticker (or "scroll") that squeezes the picture.

End of True Story


Folks, we must not let this topic be all about my previous "crusade" or my style of writing, we must strengthen issue of distracting TV graphics that both television and the Federal Communications Commission are currently forcing upon the public.

By the way, the E/I logo is no longer something that is on screen temporarily, it's now required to remain on screen during much of a program's length. That was the recent logo I was referring to earlier.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 09, 2005, 05:34:10 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 05:26 PM\']
Folks, we must not let this topic be all about my previous "crusade" or my style of writing, we must strengthen issue of distracting TV graphics that both television and the Federal Communications Commission are currently forcing upon the public.
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I don't see how the FCC is "forcing" anything. Are they tying you to your chair, holding your head to the TV and saying "Look!!! LOOK!! LOOK!!!!!"? No. You can change the channel. Or not watch TV at all!

Going outside to sniff the roses is raw and uncensored, I hear.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: FeudDude on April 09, 2005, 05:40:40 PM
Okay, I'll bite.

First of all, what does the FCC have to do with GSN and other networks' decisions to run on-screen promo bugs during shows?

Also, why do you expect GSN to care about "VHS archivists"?  Let's face it, the vast majority of people don't care enough about these graphics to even metnion them im passing, let alone attempt to rally people together to stop such practices.  Some might see these on-screen graphics as a minor distraction or annoyance, but they don't see it as that big a deal.  

And truth be told, I like the "coming up" bugs - I think it's a good way to let people know what's going to be on next.  Plus, in some cases, they give information about the specific episode that will be shown (for example, the bug previewing this morning's Eubanks CS mentioned the 10 mail-order brides in the audience).
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 05:47:33 PM
When I'm speaking about the FCC, it involves those TV ratings that appear briefly during a program (sometimes for an entire show, United Paramount Network's "Smackdown" is the best example). The old "Coming Up" graphics before Game Show Network became "GSN" were less of a distraction and not animated.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 09, 2005, 05:52:44 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 02:26 PM\']I'm trying to start a discussion on the issue of screen graphics that ruin our viewing experience, plus it's a VHS archivist's worst nightmare.
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And you'll receive no sympathy here either. GSN does not exist to fill your personal tape collection. GSN exists for one reason and one reason only, to get you to watch whatever they are showing long enough so you stick around and watch some of the advertisements they run during commercial breaks. Apparently they feel that the bugs and ads and whatnot they flash on the screen during shows (which certainly don't affect MY enjoyment of the shows) are helping them to that end, even if it's pissing off the same twelve whiny diehards.

(In other words, and I've said this before, you people bitching and moaning about these bugs, credit squeezes, and the other things you feel are befouling your precious recordings, do not amount to a pimple on the ass of the GSN viewership at large.)
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Folks, we must not let this topic be all about my previous "crusade" or my style of writing,
Then you must write in something approaching English. This long, drawn out crap doesn't make you look intelligent, it makes you look like an uninformed blowhard.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 06:23:14 PM
According to my readings, "You Bet Your Life" is one of the few game shows available in the DVD format and it remains unlikely that "Match Game", "The Hollywood Squares", or "Press Your Luck" will be on disc in the distant future.

Game Show Network's classic programming is unique from any other network, broadcast & cable. In all my years of taping programs from the past and present, many of them haven't aired on television in years, and you cannot expect "GSN" to continue airing everything you see right now in another 10 years, so the constant graphics is not helping viewers and/or archivists until that time comes. Video cassette recorders exist not only to tape programs when you're not around, but to keep certain programs (live events, specials, rare TV series, or your favorite programs in general) "alive" long after they're no longer available on TV.

There may be DVDs of numerous TV programs now, but don't expect most consumers to pay over $50 for series with multiple seasons when they can easily be taped on a blank VHS tape under $5.00. I may be in the hole, but I'm willing to continue defending my stance on TV network graphics and game shows.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 09, 2005, 06:26:53 PM
Rather than show credits on the air, why not cut them out of the show and run full-screen promos?  The production personnel could be listed on the GSN website on each show's page for those who would like to see them.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: dzinkin on April 09, 2005, 06:35:14 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 06:23 PM\']Video cassette recorders exist not only to tape programs when you're not around, but to keep certain programs (live events, specials, rare TV series, or your favorite programs in general) "alive" long after they're no longer available on TV.
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It is indeed the role of a VCR to let you watch shows at times other than those when they actually air.

It is NOT the role of GSN to help you use your VCR to fill tapes.

See the difference?

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There may be DVDs of numerous TV programs now, but don't expect most consumers to pay over $50 for series with multiple seasons when they can easily be taped on a blank VHS tape under $5.00. I may be in the hole, but I'm willing to continue defending my stance on TV network graphics and game shows.
If anyone from GSN is reading this, let me suggest the following: please make a DVD set of Password Plus available.  Pay Fremantle whatever you have to pay in order to make it happen.  Then, charge an absurdly astronomical amount for it.  All you'll need to do is sell one set to Mario500 -- whose obsession with the graphics makes him the perfect mark, er, I mean customer -- and you'll have more money than you could ever make from airing commercials alongside the end credits.

Heck, if you can sell sets to the other eleven people who care deeply about this, you might never have to show another commercial again. :-)
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 06:54:47 PM
I wish I had stated previously that I'm aware that TV networks don't exist for us to tape most of their programming for the home VHS archives. They exist to serve the "public interest" (not my words) and currently networks like "GSN" are not serving the silent majority who want their programming without on screen distractions whether they are simply watching or taping a show. Network voice overs during a programs credits have existed long before the graphic madness, but squeezing a show's (especially a classic show) credits just to promote other programs has gone way over the viewers' minds. Now we have large promotions during the program (with "over the top" animation), forcing viewers into a corner where there is no way out.

I'm glad I'm not currently taping "Super Password" or either version of "Family Feud" right now or else many years from now relatives will be saying "What's with the casino girl?" and "We didn't have that when the Feud aired on ABC and CBS". Unfortunately since I've been taping "SCTV" on TV Land for the last few weeks, they'll be asking "What the heck is Chasing Farrah?".

As the years go by, the new TV generation gap will be clear as crystal, just pop in a VHS recording from the 20th century and compare it to television in the 21st.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 09, 2005, 06:58:10 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 06:54 PM\']I'm glad I'm not currently taping "Super Password" or either version of "Family Feud" right now or else many years from now relatives will be saying "What's with the casino girl?" and "We didn't have that when the Feud aired on ABC and CBS".

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Many years from now, your average person will have no idea what network the Feud originally aired on.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: FeudDude on April 09, 2005, 07:12:39 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 05:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 06:54 PM\']I'm glad I'm not currently taping "Super Password" or either version of "Family Feud" right now or else many years from now relatives will be saying "What's with the casino girl?" and "We didn't have that when the Feud aired on ABC and CBS".

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Many years from now, your average person will have no idea what network the Feud aired on.
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I don't even think "your average person" knows that now.  Heck, I grew up with Combs Feud, but I didn't even know there was a CBS daytime version until I started reading game show boards and newsgroups.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 09, 2005, 07:16:57 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 05:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 06:54 PM\']I'm glad I'm not currently taping "Super Password" or either version of "Family Feud" right now or else many years from now relatives will be saying "What's with the casino girl?" and "We didn't have that when the Feud aired on ABC and CBS".

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Many years from now, your average person will have no idea what network the Feud aired on.
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PAX, I think.  Also, the casino girl's name is Casino Night.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: melman1 on April 09, 2005, 07:37:56 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 02:26 PM\']I'm trying to start a discussion on the issue of screen graphics that ruin our viewing experience, plus it's a VHS archivist's worst nightmare. [/quote]
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we must strengthen issue of distracting TV graphics that both television and the Federal Communications Commission are currently forcing upon the public.
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In all my years of taping programs from the past and present, many of them haven't aired on television in years, and I you can't expect "GSN" to continue airing everything you see right now in another 10 years, so the constant graphics is not helping viewers and/or archivists until that time comes. Video cassette recorders exist not only to tape programs when you're not around, but to keep certain programs (live events, specials, rare TV series, or your favorite programs in general) "alive" long after they're no longer available on TV.
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currently networks like "GSN" are not serving the silent majority who want their programming without on screen distractions whether they are simply watching or taping a show.

It's funny - you seem to have a grasp of the "words" in the English language.  But you assemble them in ways that make practically no sense at all.  (Irismason, please pick up the white courtesy phone.)

There are many things in life to be passionate about.  This ain't one of them.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 10:33:31 PM
Fellow posters, I assure y’all that there is indeed a silent population of Game Show Network viewers of unknown proportions who agree that the on screen graphics by the network are beyond necessary. Most of the people I’m speaking for probably don’t have a large enough platform to speak out, for example access to the World Wide Web via a computer. My writings on “GSN” and TV today may seem unusual, but that’s the point that stands out more. If the issue of graphics that interrupt and distract viewers and ruin the recordings of those attempting to archive their favorites were ever greater, we wouldn’t have these many misunderstandings (aside from my writing style, which I always check before and sometimes after the posting).

I encourage any voices of the silent majority of Game Show Network viewers to speak louder, or else they continue to empower the trend of flashy promotional graphics and tickers that continues to infect television today. If all goes well, maybe the FCC could finally learn a thing or too from a public that is not one-sided. Yep, the TV ratings and "permanent" E/I logo were in mind again.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Jimmy Owen on April 09, 2005, 10:37:44 PM
The E/I thing helps kids figure out which shows not to watch.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: urbanpreppie05 on April 09, 2005, 11:05:42 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 09:33 PM\']Fellow posters, I assure y’all that there is indeed a silent population of Game Show Network viewers of unknown proportions who agree that the on screen graphics by the network are beyond necessary. Most of the people I’m speaking for probably don’t have a large enough platform to speak out, for example access to the World Wide Web via a computer. My writings on “GSN” and TV today may seem unusual, but that’s the point that stands out more. If the issue of graphics that interrupt and distract viewers and ruin the recordings of those attempting to archive their favorites were ever greater, we wouldn’t have these many misunderstandings (aside from my writing style, which I always check before and sometimes after the posting).

I encourage any voices of the silent majority of Game Show Network viewers to speak louder, or else they continue to empower the trend of flashy promotional graphics and tickers that continues to infect television today. If all goes well, maybe the FCC could finally learn a thing or too from a public that is not one-sided. Yep, the TV ratings and "permanent" E/I logo were in mind again.
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Silent? SILENT? Go check out the GSn boards. There more people that have nothing better to do with their time over there. People here don't really care. There are MORE important issues to protest...High college tuition...gas prices, weather...ANYTHING but game shows.

In other words- get a life.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: BrandonFG on April 09, 2005, 11:05:47 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 09:33 PM\']Fellow posters, I assure y’all that there is indeed a silent population of Game Show Network viewers of unknown proportions who agree that the on screen graphics by the network are beyond necessary. Most of the people I’m speaking for probably don’t have a large enough platform to speak out, for example access to the World Wide Web via a computer. My writings on “GSN” and TV today may seem unusual, but that’s the point that stands out more. If the issue of graphics that interrupt and distract viewers and ruin the recordings of those attempting to archive their favorites were ever greater, we wouldn’t have these many misunderstandings (aside from my writing style, which I always check before and sometimes after the posting).

I encourage any voices of the silent majority of Game Show Network viewers to speak louder, or else they continue to empower the trend of flashy promotional graphics and tickers that continues to infect television today. If all goes well, maybe the FCC could finally learn a thing or too from a public that is not one-sided. Yep, the TV ratings and "permanent" E/I logo were in mind again.
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Dude. Let it go. I'm begging you. There's lots of wonderful things outside. Fresh air. Females. The kind that's not inflatable. Except the ones with silicon.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 09, 2005, 11:07:40 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 07:33 PM\']Fellow posters, I assure y’all that there is indeed a silent population of Game Show Network viewers of unknown proportions
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So we've gone from "a silent majority" to "unknown proportions". Which means you have NO damn idea how many they are, and that suggesting you speak for "the majority" is a steaming crock of crap.
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Most of the people I’m speaking for probably don’t have a large enough platform to speak out, for example access to the World Wide Web via a computer.
If you don't even know how many there are, how can you claim to make any demographic assumptions about them?
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My writings on “GSN” and TV today may seem unusual,

...because you're a crackpot...
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(aside from my writing style, which I always check before and sometimes after the posting).
Keep checking. Better yet, stop writing.
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I encourage any voices of the silent majority of Game Show Network viewers
Here's your "silent majority" again. I'd like some proof, please. But you can't provide it, because you've already admitted you have no idea how large this group is.

I have two pieces of advice for you: 1) quit while you're behind, and 2) seek psychiatric help.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: saussage on April 09, 2005, 11:20:39 PM
Yes those overlays that GSN puts on their programing is annoying along with the time machine and shrunken credits. I wish it was still like 1999 (no Prince, stay in your hole).

Deep down inside, I wish something could be done to influence GSN in their programming decisions but the reality is that most networks don't care. As long as they can somehow get in the black and stay there, they'll do it by hook or by crook. I believe that some of their graphics tinkering is really distracting and a real turn-off except their new logo on the top right corner which is actually less intrusive. Back in the days of Game Show Network, I would always cross my fingers when I would be able to see the Pyramid ending intact (monkeys were problably asleep or too busy eating bananas) with the old Mr Plumber commercials.
(yeah, I'm a geek and a game show freak, what a wacky combo)

I wish a solution to some of these issues would be as simple as my old Vectrex game machine.

Hmmmm... overlay? Peel it off!

Casino night promo... it's in the way, peel it off!

Wow this is fun.... whoops... peeled off the darn puzzle clue from Password Plus :)

Sorry I didn't use quote from anyone... just wanted everyone to have a chuckle from this "not so serious" post.

Saussage
Pat, I would like buy a vowel. A sometimes "Y" :)
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 09, 2005, 11:46:08 PM
[quote name=\'saussage\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 11:20 PM\']
Sorry I didn't use quote from anyone... just wanted everyone to have a chuckle from this "not so serious" post.

Saussage
Pat, I would like buy a vowel. A sometimes "Y" :)
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Well said, Saussage. Well said. I, too, don't like the crunches, but I'm like you - I'm also a realist about it. I'm just glad I get to see the entire show. It's speeded up a bit. So what? The credits are crunched. So what? I'm just glad I get to see the show. Where else could I find an obscure episode of a short-run game show from 20-some-odd years ago?

Some people really need to stop and realize what they have, instead of focusing on what they DON'T have.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: melman1 on April 09, 2005, 11:54:20 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 07:33 PM\']Fellow posters, I assure y’all that there is indeed a silent population of Game Show Network viewers of unknown proportions who agree that the on screen graphics by the network are beyond necessary. Most of the people I’m speaking for probably don’t have a large enough platform to speak out, for example access to the World Wide Web via a computer.
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Once again... you seem to know how to press the keys and make words appear on the screen... but you can't make anything even close to a coherent thought that anyone wants to discuss.
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My writings on “GSN” and TV today may seem unusual, but that’s the point that stands out more. If the issue of graphics that interrupt and distract viewers and ruin the recordings of those attempting to archive their favorites were ever greater, we wouldn’t have these many misunderstandings
See above.  Makes no sense whatsoever.  None.

Is there a reason you can't just say "I don't like on-screen graphics" and just leave it at that?  Why would you think the lengthy ex-rectum ramblings about a "silent majority" and the FCC would strengthen your position?
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 09, 2005, 11:56:21 PM
After a long day of debating a couple of issues in television that I believe needed to be brought forward, it appears that this is yet another fight that cannot be won this way. Like many struggles for others in history, fighting against the TV networks' power to add distracting graphics or shrink the credits while a classic or original program airs and the FCC's almost unbelievable act of forcing stations to inform viewers of a program's content through on screen TV ratings & "permanent" E/I logos is a battle that's useless unless there’s a good pair of supports.

Currently I feel sorry for the state of television. Who would have thought that one of humanity's greatest achievements would someday represent the power corporations can have over the public? It would have taken great optimism to think way before TV became a medium greater than radio.

Before leaving this topic up to anybody else who wishes to discuss it, I must look forward to what Game Show Network and television in general has in store in the foreseeable future. As I view "Super Password" and "Card Sharks" on a sunny today, there will at least be a moment for the ticker to scroll by. As I view "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" later in the day, I hope neither Miss "Casino Night", nor those blue horses for the now cancelled “American Dream Derby” show up during the questions. As other classic shows make their return, lets hope there are no animated promotions for "GSN's" upcoming pool program as Rayburn, Clark, or even as Mr. Daily chats with the celebrated people.

Game Show Network, or "GSN: The Network For Games", I wish y'all the best of luck. Peace!

(Leaps From His Soapbox For The Day)

Phew!
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 10, 2005, 12:00:57 AM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 08:56 PM\']After a long day of debating a couple of issues in television that I believe needed to be brought forward, it appears that this is yet another fight that cannot be won this way.
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Through insane ramblings and poor arguments?
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More than a day, I fervently hope.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Matt Ottinger on April 10, 2005, 12:14:46 AM
This has been my second-favorite Mario-induced insanity of all time.

It's hard to beat this one. (http://\"http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/browse_thread/thread/754cc24e692b0385/c450ad2acbcf452f?q=group:alt.tv.game-shows+author:mario500&rnum=2#c450ad2acbcf452f\")
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 10, 2005, 12:37:15 AM
Yep, the old story "Operation Big One" neither put a dent, nor encouraged any support into ending the trolls' takeover of Alt.TV.Game-Shows. Pardon today's so-called "insanity", but I felt the need to address these Game Show Network issues and discuss them.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: SamJ93 on April 10, 2005, 12:43:37 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 12:14 AM\']This has been my second-favorite Mario-induced insanity of all time.

It's hard to beat this one. (http://\"http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/browse_thread/thread/754cc24e692b0385/c450ad2acbcf452f?q=group:alt.tv.game-shows+author:mario500&rnum=2#c450ad2acbcf452f\")
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My IQ dropped 10 points after reading that.

As to this whole graphics nonsense...don't like it, turn it off.  Plain and simple.  Or send a complaint to GSn, after learning to write coherently, of course.

--Sam
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: melman1 on April 10, 2005, 12:53:09 AM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 08:56 PM\']After a long day of debating a couple of issues in television that I believe needed to be brought forward, it appears that this is yet another fight that cannot be won this way. Like many struggles for others in history, fighting against the TV networks' power to add distracting graphics or shrink the credits while a classic or original program airs and the FCC's almost unbelievable act of forcing stations to inform viewers of a program's content through on screen TV ratings & "permanent" E/I logos is a battle that's useless unless there’s a good pair of supports. [/quote]
"A long day of debating?"  Oh, you're just nuts.  Debate means that each side knows what the other is trying to say, and nobody has been able to figure out your babble.

You were never "fighting against the TV networks", you were just yammering on about "silent majorities" and such, and nobody would buy the argument.  And what the hell is "a good pair of supports?"  Damn.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 10, 2005, 01:15:32 AM
"Good pair of supports" is a metaphor for support on both sides of an issue. If it's true that I was "nuts" typing away about TV's obsession with large graphics, tickers, shrunken credits, and the FCC's so-called "requirements", pardon the fact that I was filled up to the brain with issues that deserve a discussion.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: petek66 on April 10, 2005, 01:20:01 AM
So far, the originator of this thread has been called a whiny diehard,
whackjob, uninformed blowhard, nutjob, rambling idiot, crackpot,
and been advised to seek a non-inflatable girlfriend. Is this place
any better than usenet?

I don't mind that the issue of onscreen crap is occasionally stirred
up around here. The complacency of the average Joe towards this stuff is why it gets a little worse each year. Before long, we'll have flashing Viagra logos onscreen for the whole show. And we'll be told again that we should shut up and be happy with what we have because the majority of the viewers like getting information about Viagra during their program.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: clemon79 on April 10, 2005, 01:54:11 AM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 10:15 PM\']If it's true that I was "nuts" typing away about TV's obsession with large graphics, tickers, shrunken credits, and the FCC's so-called "requirements"
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You have every right to be concerned about these issues. Your problem is your utter inability to use the English language to communicate these opinions with anything resembling cohesive thought, and your delusions that lead you to believe that you are dropping some serious knowledge 'cuz you made a long post, when in fact you said nothing of any import whatsoever.

You are, I think, what would happen if irismason and Michael Brandenburg had a kid.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: melman1 on April 10, 2005, 02:00:13 AM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 10:15 PM\']"Good pair of supports" is a metaphor for support on both sides of an issue.[/quote]

So you're claiming that you shouldn't have started the discussion because you didn't have support for both sides of the issue?  Do you realize how little sense you make?

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No, you're "nuts" because you can't intelligently make a point.

Like I said, just because you can type in some words and phrases on Mommie's computer and have them light up on the screen, it doesn't mean that you can form an intelligent point.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on April 10, 2005, 02:04:06 AM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 10:56 PM\']it appears that this is yet another fight that cannot be won this way. Like many struggles for others in history[/quote]

THINGS TO DO TODAY:

1. End slavery
2. Ban overlaid TV advertisements
3. Overthrow dictatorship

. . .

It's like talking to a reprogrammed Eliza or something. The password for today is "incomprehensible". Think about it (where applicable).
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 10, 2005, 08:25:29 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 01:54 AM\']
You are, I think, what would happen if irismason and Michael Brandenburg had a kid.
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No, I don't think there's any Michael Brandenburg in him. If there was, he'd spend 1/4 of his post going off on things about his personal life that no one else (except maybe Henke) could care less about.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: saussage on April 10, 2005, 09:55:46 AM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Apr 9 2005, 11:14 PM\']This has been my second-favorite Mario-induced insanity of all time.

It's hard to beat this one. (http://\"http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.tv.game-shows/browse_thread/thread/754cc24e692b0385/c450ad2acbcf452f?q=group:alt.tv.game-shows+author:mario500&rnum=2#c450ad2acbcf452f\")
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Huh?

Just woke up from a bad dream. The good part is that I started my own Game Show Channel. The bad part is that Mario was at the controls. :)

We have enough things to worry about than this. This thread feels like it's going to run on forever because of a case of Mario fever. (although I myself lost some brain cells when I read the above thread).

Saussage
WBSM: I'll take "Whatever fills up your Bratwurst" for 100 Ben
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 10, 2005, 12:05:47 PM
The metaphor "good pair of supports" does not imply I should have never created this topic, in fact I'm proud to be facing these issues head on. I know the meanings of "crusade" and it's not only a religious thing. My goodness, after typing for two weblogs almost daily since 2003 my "Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions" topic was actually the first time I received criticism for my style of writing.

Amazing for writing that is always checked before and after it’s posted online. If there is truly one problem with my writing, it's the occasional "missing words" (which I correct).
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on April 10, 2005, 01:06:02 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 11:05 AM\']My goodness, after typing for two weblogs almost daily since 2003 my "Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions" topic was actually the first time I received criticism for my style of writing.
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This reminds me of when Adam Kliest posted his fan fiction last year, and said that "everyone" liked it, or something to that effect. "Everyone" amounted to 1 person.  

Who likes your style of writing?
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 10, 2005, 01:11:30 PM
If it's not worth taking risks and every chance possible at rallying up others for a common problems in television popularized by the likes of FOX Broadcasting Company (the animated promotions), the National Broadcasting Company (squeezed and shrunken credits), and many cable channels (CNN, FX, E! Entertainment Network, and now "GSN"), then all is lost for the minority I represent.

I hope to never see the day a small child asks me, "Mister, did TV in the 20th century have commercials during a show?". I would say, "Sonny, for a long time we didn't, but when the head fellows and ladies found a way around us, the public is locked out".

Yep, I'm listening to everyone, whether they are on topic or want to further touch the "issue" of my writing style. My response to the question, "Who likes your style of writing?" includes family, local radio and TV folks, a number of readers who respond to the weblogs I write for, and numerous others I communicated with through message boards.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: tvwxman on April 10, 2005, 01:21:28 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 12:11 PM\']I hope to never see the day a small child asks me, "Mister, did TV in the 20th century have commercials during a show?". I would say, "Sonny, for a long time we didn't, but when the head fellows and ladies found a way around us, the public is locked out".
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First off, I can't believe i'm responding to this drivel, cause you're very narrowminded in your willingness to admit that you're wrong.

But second, ad execs and tv program wizards have been incorporating advertising INTO programming. Go check out the "Camel News Caravan" for more on how.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 10, 2005, 01:23:48 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 01:11 PM\']
I hope to never see the day a small child asks me, "Mister, did TV in the 20th century have commercials during a show?". I would say, "Sonny, for a long time we didn't, but when the head fellows and ladies found a way around us, the public is locked out".

I very highly doubt commercials during a show in the 20th century would be on a young child's mind. The mere THOUGHT of a small child around you is a scary thought.

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Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 10, 2005, 01:25:54 PM
To clarify for some, the "commercials during a show" question is in reference to the possibility of animated graphics promoting a product during a program if television continues to push the limits.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 10, 2005, 01:29:18 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 01:25 PM\']To clarify for some, the "commercials during a show" question is in reference to the possibility of animated graphics promoting a product during a program if television continues to push the limits.
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And once again, you're missing the point. Why would a small child care about that? And about television "pushing the limits"? You are something else.

You do realize whatever minute amount of credibility you may have left around here, is disappearing with each moronic post you're making. You're quickly making yourself out to be the village idiot.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: BrandonFG on April 10, 2005, 01:36:27 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 12:29 PM\']You're quickly making yourself out to be the village idiot.
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Well, at least Karlberg can breathe easier.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: BrandonFG on April 10, 2005, 01:47:40 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 12:44 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 01:36 PM\']
Well, at least Karlberg can breathe easier.
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Karlberg's posts are easy to understand; it's just that it's something very obvious (like "If you overbid on your showcase, you won't win it").
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I guess I'll give him that much. GEEZ!
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 10, 2005, 01:54:24 PM
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I guess I'll give him that much. GEEZ!
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Any respect he had from me, he lost when he made his post about Italians and game shows....
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: melman1 on April 10, 2005, 02:06:47 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 09:05 AM\']The metaphor "good pair of supports" does not imply I should have never created this topic, in fact I'm proud to be facing these issues head on.[/quote]
So now you can't even remember what you wrote?  It looks even more absurd now:

[quote name=\'Mario500\']Like many struggles for others in history, fighting against the TV networks' power to add distracting graphics or shrink the credits while a classic or original program airs and the FCC's almost unbelievable act of forcing stations to inform viewers of a program's content through on screen TV ratings & "permanent" E/I logos is a battle that's useless unless there’s a good pair of supports. [/quote]
[quote name=\'Mario500\']"Good pair of supports" is a metaphor for support on both sides of an issue. [/quote]
Now you're denying that you understood what you wrote?  I guess I am not surprised.

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I guess that shows you how many people read your weblogs, eh?
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 10, 2005, 02:46:54 PM
The metaphor "good pair of supports" would've had a greater meaning if more folks sharing opposite views joined this "thread", as it's called. If you want a clear understanding of my writings, which I find unique from the next person (if not more), I would recommend reading the posts twice to avoid thoughts of contradiction.

Everything I said after responding to "Who likes your style of writing?" is the truth and there's no need for further insults. This "minority" I represent is the viewing population of TV viewers who wish the see the useless network graphics that ruin the viewing experience become a mistake of the past.

I understand that most of the time one person or more cannot make a big difference with the folks behind what we see on "GSN" and other networks, but we should at least let them know that viewers actually care about other elements on the screen.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: aaron sica on April 10, 2005, 02:48:42 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 02:46 PM\']
I understand that most of the time one person or more cannot make a big difference with the folks behind what we see on "GSN" and other networks
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No, you don't. Otherwise you never would have started your rants and raves about it.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: Mario500 on April 10, 2005, 03:23:26 PM
It's clear that a large number of viewers don't care if a large animated promotion blocks the program they're watching or a ticker squeezes the picture (in other words, I'm aware of them), but there's always the opposite population who are not pleased by the networks' decisions when it comes to graphics.

If only you got to know more of this particular population and everything would be far from the word "dumb".
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: FeudDude on April 10, 2005, 03:26:40 PM
I think what Mario might be trying to get at is that most people would probably rather not have these on-screen graphics, and if given such a choice, would opt to get rid of them.  What he can't grasp is that for most people, it's nowhere near a big enough deal to "take action" and rally people together.
Title: Network Graphics, Scrolls, and Distractions
Post by: melman1 on April 10, 2005, 04:24:08 PM
[quote name=\'Mario500\' date=\'Apr 10 2005, 11:46 AM\']The metaphor "good pair of supports" would've had a greater meaning if more folks sharing opposite views joined this "thread", as it's called.[/quote]
"This thread, as it's called" ???  Good grief.

So if I understand this latest ex-rectum remark, you're saying this would have been a better thread if only more people had agreed with you.
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If you want a clear understanding of my writings, which I find unique from the next person (if not more), I would recommend reading the posts twice to avoid thoughts of contradiction.
Again, good grief.

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This "minority" I represent is the viewing population of TV viewers who wish the see the useless network graphics that ruin the viewing experience become a mistake of the past.
None of whom you know, and none of whom have joined in here.    But you're sure that they exist in sufficient numbers to warrant this crap in the first place.  Must be nice to "represent" such a community.

Thanks for playing.  Clues are available in the lobby as you leave the studio.