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Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on December 09, 2004, 02:19:20 PM
http://adlink.com/resource_center/programm...05&endtime=1770 (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=44382&begweek=01/17/2005&endtime=1770\")
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Thoughts:  Millionaire looks to be slowly disapperaing from Primetime, slot by slot. Slow death really.  Ratings are probably dipping somewhat now that we're a decent way into the rerun cycle.

Good to see they're scaling back Weakest Link somewhat...For a show that had 70-ish episodes total, 9 shows a week was overkill.  6 is still a bit excessive relative to the total number of episodes, but isn't as bad as before.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: zachhoran on December 09, 2004, 07:27:20 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Dec 9 2004, 02:19 PM\']http://adlink.com/resource_center/programm...05&endtime=1770 (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=44382&begweek=01/17/2005&endtime=1770\")
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Thoughts:  Millionaire looks to be slowly disapperaing from Primetime, slot by slot. Slow death really.  Ratings are probably dipping somewhat now that we're a decent way into the rerun cycle.

Good to see they're scaling back Weakest Link somewhat...For a show that had 70-ish episodes total, 9 shows a week was overkill.  6 is still a bit excessive relative to the total number of episodes, but isn't as bad as before.
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They still seem to have some interest in picking up recent traditional game shows, so they ought to pick up the rest of Regis Millionaire(Day 2 of Toutant's first appearance to the end of the run) and part of all of Syndie Link(since PAX's rights for it have lapsed).
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 09, 2004, 08:31:35 PM
Millionaire's doing okay on the schedule, if you can believe Adlink. The show that's really getting trimmed back is Dodgeball. It's already lost two hours on Thursday night and will soon (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=44382&begweek=01/24/2005&endtime=1770\") have no prime time slots at all. In fact, almost all its showings (first and second season) will be after midnight. By contrast, Millionaire still gets thirteen hours including five prime time slots and five early evening showings.

I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever see that celeb version of dodgeball that GSN vaguely promised last summer. I like the show, but I can see where the sameness of the action might take a toll after a while.

Somehow Spy TV still hangs onto one hour in a remote nook of the schedule. Kinda funny. Dog Eat Dog and Greed stay in prime time. Can't kill 'em, despite monster rerun abuse. The second season of civvie blackjack also gets a pretty good look at prime. Frankly, I don't think the civvies are as entertaining as the celebs, but it's still an interesting game.

Just noticed that WBSM gets twenty-two showings a week. None in prime time, but all pretty close. And the network is making a big deal (http://\"http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/12-09-2004/0002592215&EDATE=\") of Ben in this Sunday's live stunt. Pajamas? Maybe Mr. Stein might creep into prime time sooner or later, in jammies or a business suit.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Don Howard on December 10, 2004, 07:26:09 AM
Remember when we used to unzip our pants over a GSN schedule change?
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: mctoyboy on December 10, 2004, 09:57:57 AM
I can't believe Star Search is still on........
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Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: clemon79 on December 10, 2004, 12:20:59 PM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 10 2004, 05:26 AM\']Remember when we used to unzip our pants over a GSN schedule change?
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Um, no. And what you do in the privacy of your home while you watch GSN is ENTIRELY your business. :)
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on December 10, 2004, 12:40:16 PM
Guess this puts a whole new meaning on Beat the Clock, eh? :)
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: GS Warehouse on December 10, 2004, 03:25:13 PM
[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Dec 9 2004, 08:31 PM\']... The show that's really getting trimmed back is Dodgeball. It's already lost two hours on Thursday night and will soon (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=44382&begweek=01/24/2005&endtime=1770\") have no prime time slots at all. In fact, almost all its showings (first and second season) will be after midnight. ...
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It'll be in reruns by then, so no big loss.  (Man, one thing I never thought I'd see is CPA in a slump.  How 'bout that new guy on Armed Response?)
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: sshuffield70 on December 10, 2004, 03:45:24 PM
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' date=\'Dec 10 2004, 12:40 PM\']Guess this puts a whole new meaning on Beat the Clock, eh? :)
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No, but it's something I can't post here.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 10, 2004, 05:39:22 PM
I'd rather watch reruns of Dodgeball than worn repeats of the wicked witch, who continues to get prime time for reasons that escape me. Okay, the show offers a decent pace and I've got a soft spot for any quizzer. But six hours a week in good time slots? Maybe it's time to trim it back to a couple hours like Greed.

Kinda funny that the new guy on Armed Response is a nephew of Dave Kingman. Surprised they don't call him Kong.

As for unzipped pants, that reminds me of Strip Poker more than Beat the...whatever.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Johnissoevil on December 11, 2004, 02:45:37 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 10 2004, 07:26 AM\']Remember when we used to unzip our pants over a GSN schedule change?
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Nowadays, when we're at home relaxing, whenever GSN has nothing on, us classic TV fans ask ourselves "What's on TV Land right now?"
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Don Howard on December 11, 2004, 08:27:32 AM
[quote name=\'Johnissoevil\' date=\'Dec 11 2004, 02:45 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 10 2004, 07:26 AM\']Remember when we used to unzip our pants over a GSN schedule change?
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Nowadays, when we're at home relaxing, whenever GSN has nothing on, us classic TV fans ask ourselves "What's on TV Land right now?"
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Actually, that channel's not so hot anymore, either. However! To the rescue we have GoodLife TV! starring Nick Clooney, the master of the maze.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 11, 2004, 11:45:49 AM
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Actually, that channel's [TV Land] not so hot anymore, either. However! To the rescue we have GoodLife TV! starring Nick Clooney, the master of the maze.
It's fun to read the TV Land message board. You might call it a parallel universe. Right now there's a long thread: "PETITION: END 1980'S AND BEYOND SHOWS NOW!!" ("Beyond" means 1990 and forward.) There are plenty of the same "bring back the TRUE classics" messages that you see about GSN.

But wouldn't you know, the same kind of talk is turning up on the GoodLife board as well, because the network licensed some new shows. "New" is relative, of course. These shows had only slightly less age on them than the other GoodLife programs. A typical comment: "From now on, the Goodlife TV schedule is an important part of my roadside emergency gear. I also used it to help a neighbor pump out his septic tank. Just throw in a copy of the NEW Goodlife TV schedule and the sludge in the tank left so it wouldn't get a bad name by hanging out with the shows on that schedule."

Sooner or later, the TV universe will get almost as fractured and on-demand-driven as today's internet. So the fans of almost any show, no matter how old, will be able to watch it whenever they want. Until then, we'll get these posts about any nostalgia network that makes its schedule a little less old.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: sshuffield70 on December 11, 2004, 03:14:43 PM
Heh, I've personally never had it.....and Comcast here is scheduled to drop it soon.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 11, 2004, 04:17:51 PM
Comcast is dropping GoodLife here, too. I did watch some of the old shows for nostalgia's sake, but they disappointed more than they entertained.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: TV Favorites on December 11, 2004, 07:08:17 PM
Must be a Comcast thing...we're losing Goodlife too.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: sshuffield70 on December 11, 2004, 07:47:32 PM
Well, I was just reading where Comcast has 23 million subscribers.....not a great sign for Goodlife.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: uncamark on December 12, 2004, 05:19:52 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Dec 11 2004, 07:47 PM\']Well, I was just reading where Comcast has 23 million subscribers.....not a great sign for Goodlife.
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Is this analog or digital where Comcast is dropping the channel?  I just had GoodLife added a couple of months ago with my digital upgrade.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: zachhoran on December 12, 2004, 07:17:32 PM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Dec 11 2004, 07:47 PM\']Well, I was just reading where Comcast has 23 million subscribers.....not a great sign for Goodlife.
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Comcast Digital cable in Atlantic City area does not offer Goodlife, so I won't miss what I never saw :)
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: davemackey on December 12, 2004, 07:32:36 PM
Lest this become a "who's got GoodLife" thread, I have Comcast, and we haven't had GoodLife for a long time. Years, maybe.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on December 12, 2004, 07:47:57 PM
For the last year, on the local Mediacom-owned system, we actually had Goodlife on both Analog and Digital.  

They dropped the digital Goodlife last week.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: TV Favorites on December 12, 2004, 11:04:32 PM
On the notice from the cable company, Goodlife was being removed from both digital and analog.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Pyramid80 on December 12, 2004, 11:27:20 PM
I have never even heard of Goodlife.  What type of programming does/did it offer?
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: ilb4ever2000 on December 13, 2004, 12:34:05 AM
[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Dec 12 2004, 11:27 PM\']I have never even heard of Goodlife.  What type of programming does/did it offer?
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Last I checked, it was a channel for baby boomers and up. They show a number of old programs (though many of them seem to have come after I lost the channel).

Comcast got rid of the channel over three years ago. For a while, there was just a blue screen saying the got rid of it. They replaced it with Fox News Channel around September 2001.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 08:56:10 AM
This is GoodLife's web site (http://\"http://www.goodtv.com/\"), in case you're interested. It's a nostalgia net much like TVLand, only at the second tier. The network puts on some originals as well. Nick Clooney, late of Money Maze and a failed run for Congress, does interstitials about the old shows. Another game show reference: the network shows reruns of Let's Go Back (http://\"http://www.goodtv.com/program.php?programid=LG\"), a Jeopardy knockoff with questions about previous decades. The host, Scott Sternberg, was later one of those responsible for inflicting Extreme Gong on a long-suffering world.

Comcast seems to have soured on the network. It's always had very limited distribution. An interesting note: the channel is owned by the Unification Church (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church\"), a.k.a. the Moonies. Never saw anything on the channel about the church, though, and I don't know if the ownership is even mentioned on the network's web site.

The channel is good for some nostalgic moments, but the shows did tend to disappoint me. Maybe my memories of old TV were a little too warm and fuzzy.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: aaron sica on December 13, 2004, 09:12:45 AM
"Let's Go Back" aired back when the channel was known as "Nostalgia Television".
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 09:14:09 AM
GoodLife's web site and Zap2it say Let's Go Back is on this Thursday at 3:30 PM Eastern. I've caught a few glimpses of it over the past few months. Not an embarrassment like Extreme Gag, but not a thriller, either.

To get back to the original topic, this NY Times column (http://\"http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/arts/television/12ozer.html\") makes the argument for the oldies. It's a little strange that the writer picks four shows currently on GSN - WML, Name's the Same, MG and Feud - to make his point that the network is "forsaking" old game shows. In fact, these shows together get something like twenty-five hours of exposure per week on GSN.

Nice picture of Gene and company, anyway. Though from the Gene's relatively short haircut and Richard's lack of facial hair and less flamboyant clothes, I'd say the show is from 1976 or later instead of the early 70s. I'm starting to sound like an archeologist dating a pottery shard. That's gotta be Patti Deutsch with her back to the camera. And there's just a glimpse of Avery Schreiber's name plate.

UPDATE: Well, my pottery-shard dating was off by a few months. The pictured episode is from late 1975, according to the MG episode guide (http://\"http://www.matchgame.org/episodeguides/matchgame/mgpm1.html\") (episode number 7).
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: passwordplus on December 13, 2004, 11:00:07 AM
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 10 2004, 07:26 AM\']Remember when we used to unzip our pants over a GSN schedule change?
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Don't give GSN any ideas for new originals(bad visual!)
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 11:06:33 AM
They already tried the unzipped pants idea. The show's initials were E.G.

To be fair, GSN recently showed a WBSM ep where Ben and Jimmy both "briefly" unzipped for your viewing pleasure. In fact, I think only Jimmy wore briefs. Ben wore boxers. Not to mention that the statues at the top of the show are definitely unzipped.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: clemon79 on December 13, 2004, 11:48:40 AM
[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 06:56 AM\']The host, Scott Sternberg, was later one of those responsible for inflicting Extreme Gong on a long-suffering world.
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Are we 100% sure about this? Are Scott Sternberg and Scott Satin the same person,  or do I have something mixed up someplace?
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 11:56:22 AM
I didn't follow Scott around, but both Let's Go Back and Extreme Gong are listed on his imdb page (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0827921/\"). Scott Sternberg and Scott Satin are both listed on EG's imdb page (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290961/fullcredits\"). AMC provides another reference (http://\"http://www.amctv.com/article/0,,1949-1--0-111-EST,00.html\") for Scott Sternberg on EG. (Did he actually work on something called Mike Tyson: Portrait of the People's Champion??)

If I'm unfairly tarring Mr. Sternberg with Extreme Gross, I'll be the first to apologize.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: clemon79 on December 13, 2004, 12:04:27 PM
[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 09:56 AM\']If I'm unfairly tarring Mr. Sternberg with Extreme Gross, I'll be the first to apologize.
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Well, for obvious reasons I'm inclined to believe the AMC site over the IMDB, and I'm guessing that blurb on Sternberg came direct from his publicist in that case, so there's no reason for the information there to be inaccurate.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 12:11:02 PM
Google on "Scott Sternberg" "Extreme Gong" and you'll get several references. Either the web is conspiring to tie EG to Scott falsely, or he really did help produce the show.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: zachhoran on December 13, 2004, 12:17:20 PM
As 2004 winds down, GSN has dropped four classic game shows from their lineup this year: LMAD, $100K Pyramid, WOF, and Win Lose or Draw. None of them are GT shows, odd as it may seem.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on December 13, 2004, 12:17:26 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 11:48 AM\']Are we 100% sure about this? Are Scott Sternberg and Scott Satin the same person,  or do I have something mixed up someplace?
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I seem to recall that at the end of EG, a "Scott Sternberg" production logo came up, with a short stinger as well. It resembled a grey curtain, and was in all lower case letters.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 12:24:29 PM
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As 2004 winds down, GSN has dropped four classic game shows from their lineup this year: LMAD, $100K Pyramid, WOF, and Win Lose or Draw. None of them are GT shows, odd as it may seem.
Maybe you should have suggested these four shows to the Times columnist. Of course, GSN has also added WBSM, Name's the Same and Perry Card Sharks in 2004, plus glimpses at the few remnants of Number Please and Winner Take All. Not to mention Street Smarts and Dog Eat Dog, though an age requirement for "classic-ness" might knock these shows out.

Read some of the posters on the TVLand board, and the age requirement is 24 years because nothing from the eighties and later can be considered "true classics." If you set the age requirement at thirty years, Feud goes bye-bye.

Had to laugh when the Times guy called Dodgeball "compelling." I like the show but I ain't feeling compelled to watch it. And Regis Millionaire is getting more classic looking all the time, as its three seasons recede into the past. Shows what a tricky label "classic" can be, and why I tend to avoid it. The word too easily turns into a debating point rather than an objective, agreed-upon definition.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: zachhoran on December 13, 2004, 12:28:52 PM
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As 2004 winds down, GSN has dropped four classic game shows from their lineup this year: LMAD, $100K Pyramid, WOF, and Win Lose or Draw. None of them are GT shows, odd as it may seem.
Maybe you should have suggested these four shows to the Times columnist. Of course, GSN has also added WBSM, Name's the Same and Perry Card Sharks in 2004. Not to mention Street Smarts and Dog Eat Dog, though an age requirement for "classic-ness" might knock these shows out.

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WBSM and Street Smarts and DED are probably too recent to be considered classic. GSN also brought back MG90, and even pulled out an episode of Feud 1994 for the first time since the Dark Period. Not to mention they've been airing episodes of PYL not seen since their CBS airings 19 years ago.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 01:55:09 PM
Don't want to set off another round of arguments on what is a "classic" TV show and what isn't. But I have to tell a funny story that's actually true.

American commercial television, of course, only dates back to a little before 1950. Saturday I happened to wander into our local public library for the first time in a long time. I noticed they had a set of Encyclopedia Britannica's Great Books, second edition. This edition added some more books to the original set and controversially dropped a few, sort of like replacing Password with Name's the Same, only it was Jane Austen for Henry Fielding.

Mostly irrelevant aside from this math major: the new set dropped Apollonius' Conics, which is only one of the finest math books ever written. Mortimer Adler should have been shot for that offense alone. What's next, dropping Archimedes? I'm gonna get on the GBN (Great Books Network) message board and yell about bringing the classics back...smile.

Anyway, in the introduction to the set, the editors announced that nothing after 1950 was even considered for inclusion. I swear, I thought about our endless debates about what is old enough to be a game show "classic" when I read those words.

By their standard vitually no television game show could qualify as "classic." Which makes some sense. The time since 1950 looks like pretty brief when compared to the age on the Aeneid or Hamlet.

The editors even threw up their hands and admitted they couldn't be sure that their selections from 1900-1950 would look truly "classic" a hundred years from now.

I know, literary standards aren't appropriate for TV shows, as any TV critic will tell you with a very loud laugh. But it just shows how slippery the concept of a "classic" can be. And how age requirements for "classic-ness" can fluctuate wildly from one world to another.

Now that I think about it, though, some of the works in that Great Books collection date from as late as the 1930s. So they stand in much the same age relationship  to Shakespeare and to the present as, say, WBSM stands to Name's the Same. So is WBSM a classic just like Name's the Same?

This is getting too metaphysical for me.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: SplitSecond on December 13, 2004, 02:02:40 PM
Casey, I think I speak for a lot of us when I say this:

Puff, puff, *pass*.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: clemon79 on December 13, 2004, 02:44:25 PM
[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 12:02 PM\']Casey, I think I speak for a lot of us when I say this:

Puff, puff, *pass*.
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Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 03:28:18 PM
I figured I'd take some grief for this one. So...

Short version: "classic" can mean so many different things, it winds up meaning not much at all. Something forty years old might be called a classic in one field, but it would qualify as a spring chicken in another.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 13, 2004, 03:37:39 PM
I just like good shows, It isn't the age of the shows that matters.  Classic, to me, is a show that has stood the test of time and is well-crafted.  In the world of books, a 10 cent pulp novel of the 40's, old as it is, cannot be called a "classic book," though it can be appreciated as kitsch.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 04:11:52 PM
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Agreed, but the "test of time" can mean so many different things. To the editors of a book series spanning 2,500 years, the test of time couldn't be met by anything less than 50 years old. At least they couldn't be sure about it. If you read this admittedly stiff post (http://\"http://books.mirror.org/gb.sel1990.html\") from Mortimer Adler, the chief editor of the series, they ain't sure about some books that are hundreds of years old. (Mr. Adler died several years ago, by the way.)

TV critics and game show freaks like us chatter about a medium that is barely fifty years old in its entirety. So we've got a way different definition of the "test of time" or "classic-ness" or "greatness" or whatever you want to call it. Is WML a classic game show? Almost everybody on this board would say, oh yeah, sure. But if you're gonna admit something fifty years old to classic-ness, it would seem pretty strange - by literary standards - to deny the title to something that's "only" forty-five years less old.

So are the literary guys right about more perspective being needed to judge if something really will survive the test of time? I dunno. It just seems to me that the word "classic" is tossed around TV shows more to make a point than to give a solid definition.

When I say Vertigo is a classic movie or Dick Van Dyke is a classic TV show, I'm not really saying that these things have stood the same test of time that Hamlet has. This would be pretty ridiculous, no? What I'm actually saying is: I really like Vertigo and Dick Van Dyke. So maybe I should just avoid the "classic" label altogether.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: SplitSecond on December 13, 2004, 04:27:26 PM
[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 01:28 PM\']I figured I'd take some grief for this one. So...
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No grief intended, just some gentle ribbing for such a preposterously slippery non-argument.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 04:33:24 PM
We'll have to disagree on the argument, because I'm not even sure I'm making one...other than that "classic" is, to use your language, a preposterously slippery term.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 13, 2004, 04:42:31 PM
Classic is not a synonym for old.  "What's My Line?" is a classic.  "What's Going On?" is not a classic.  It's just old.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 04:52:45 PM
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Classic is not a synonym for old.
Again agreed. But what is a classic, when it comes to TV shows? Can we really be sure that any show will stand the test of time you previously mentioned? The American version of What's My Line dropped off the face of the planet in 1975, and this didn't cause massive outbreaks of, well, anything at all. It slumbered in undisturbed rest until GSN started shaking off the dust in 1994.

Even now, no network seems much inclined to revive the show, or to bid for the G-T license and show the reruns...except GSN.

For game show fans like us, sure, the show's a classic. For many TV viewers, you'd have to tell them what the show was. Again, "classic" is looking like a pretty slippery term that can be applied to just about anything anybody likes. I think WBSM is a classic game show for its humor, testing gameplay, and superb co-hosts. But the show slipped off Comedy Central to less than universal dismay, and would be slumbering in the vault if it weren't for GSN.

So I'll just say that I really like WBSM and leave it at that.
Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: passwordplus on December 13, 2004, 05:09:09 PM
[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 12:17 PM\']As 2004 winds down, GSN has dropped four classic game shows from their lineup this year: LMAD, $100K Pyramid, WOF, and Win Lose or Draw. None of them are GT shows, odd as it may seem.
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Title: GSN January 2005 Schedule (Adlink
Post by: uncamark on December 13, 2004, 05:56:31 PM
[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 08:56 AM\']This is GoodLife's web site (http://\"http://www.goodtv.com/\"), in case you're interested. It's a nostalgia net much like TVLand, only at the second tier. The network puts on some originals as well. Nick Clooney, late of Money Maze and a failed run for Congress, does interstitials about the old shows. Another game show reference: the network shows reruns of Let's Go Back (http://\"http://www.goodtv.com/program.php?programid=LG\"), a Jeopardy knockoff with questions about previous decades. The host, Scott Sternberg, was later one of those responsible for inflicting Extreme Gong on a long-suffering world.

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Although his pedigree as a game show producer goes back to working with Ralph Andrews in the 70s.  His track record's not all that impressive, but he keeps working.  I will say that his most recent project, AMC's "Sunday Morning Shootout," is his most impressive, as it is the only entertainment news program in the broad sense that offers something more on show biz than "Inside the hot new Hooters Calendar!" or "'ET' goes inside the 'Survivor' finale!"  I like watching the Peters hashing out the movie biz every week.

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Comcast seems to have soured on the network. It's always had very limited distribution. An interesting note: the channel is owned by the Unification Church, a.k.a. the Moonies. Never saw anything on the channel about the church, though, and I don't know if the ownership is even mentioned on the network's web site.


Now that I never knew and might doubt somewhat, since Wikipedia isn't always as accurate as it should be.  Last I heard, one Squire Rushnell, who helped create "Good Morning America" and was an ABC exec in the 70s and 80s, is the guy who's in charge and changed the focus from simply a Nostalgia Channel (its original name) to a channel for 50-plus audiences.  Interesting that its corporate name is still "Nostalgia Channel, Inc."

It started in the 80s as a poor man's American Movie Classics and went through some (relative) contemporizing before taking on the GoodLife brand.  But yeah, it's always had limited distribution, due to not being owned by one of the big guys like Time Warner or Liberty or Viacom.
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Post by: dzinkin on December 13, 2004, 06:26:53 PM
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An interesting note: the channel is owned by the Unification Church, a.k.a. the Moonies. Never saw anything on the channel about the church, though, and I don't know if the ownership is even mentioned on the network's web site.

Now that I never knew and might doubt somewhat, since Wikipedia isn't always as accurate as it should be.
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They're right on this one... the Washington Post had a story (http://\"http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/unification/main.htm\") that mentions the Church's purchase of the network, and that's just one of several links I found.  Moreover, the GoodLife TV web site says that the CEO is Douglas D.M. Joo, an executive with News World Corporation (aka the publishers of The Washington Times) -- which is owned by the Church.

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Last I heard, one Squire Rushnell, who helped create "Good Morning America" and was an ABC exec in the 70s and 80s, is the guy who's in charge and changed the focus from simply a Nostalgia Channel (its original name) to a channel for 50-plus audiences.  Interesting that its corporate name is still "Nostalgia Channel, Inc."
He's no longer with the network; per the web site (http://\"http://www.whengodwinks.com/squire_bio.html\") for his book When God Winks, he left the network a while back.  On an on-topic note, the same bio notes that Rushnell's wife is one Louise DuArt, whom we know as the host of Lifetime's Rodeo Drive.
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Post by: CaseyAbell on December 13, 2004, 06:42:46 PM
As David says, there are many references to the Church's interest in the network besides the Wikipedia entry, as you can find by googling Unification Church GoodLife. Some of the returns look a little farfetched, but this one (http://\"http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2003/08/25/newscolumn4.html\") comes from what seems like a pretty sober and knowledgable business site. A more, uh, freewheeling thread quotes another WashPost story here (http://\"http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/207.html\").

Again, I've never seen any references to the church on the network, though I haven't watched zillions of hours.
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Post by: clemon79 on December 13, 2004, 06:46:46 PM
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I think they tend to be pretty laissez faire about their media holdings...you won't find a lot of references to the Church in the Washington Times, either.
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Post by: sshuffield70 on December 14, 2004, 12:28:39 AM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 06:26 PM\']He's no longer with the network; per the web site (http://\"http://www.whengodwinks.com/squire_bio.html\") for his book When God Winks, he left the network a while back.  On an on-topic note, the same bio notes that Rushnell's wife is one Louise DuArt, whom we know as the host of Lifetime's Rodeo Drive.[/quote]

Interesting comment, since Louise is now with CBN (er....what's left of it....).  I suspect that Rushnell isn't a Moonie and left the network at that time.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 14, 2004, 12:34:54 AM
Just checked the Goodlife TV sked.  It's obvious they are owned by the Unification Church.  How else to explain the presence of "The Honeymoonies."
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Post by: dzinkin on December 14, 2004, 12:47:28 AM
[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Dec 14 2004, 12:28 AM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Dec 13 2004, 06:26 PM\']He's no longer with the network; per the web site (http://\"http://www.whengodwinks.com/squire_bio.html\") for his book When God Winks, he left the network a while back.  On an on-topic note, the same bio notes that Rushnell's wife is one Louise DuArt, whom we know as the host of Lifetime's Rodeo Drive.[/quote]

Interesting comment, since Louise is now with CBN (er....what's left of it....).  I suspect that Rushnell isn't a Moonie and left the network at that time.
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Nope -- while Rushnell did join the network before the Unification Church bought it, he didn't leave until four years afterward.

Chris Lemon is right... the Church pretty much takes a hands-off approach to its media properties.  If there's a Moonie among the reporters and columnists at the Washington Times, it's not at all clear from the content -- and I suspect that things are much the same way at Goodlife.
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Post by: uncamark on December 14, 2004, 06:12:52 PM
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Last I heard, one Squire Rushnell, who helped create "Good Morning America" and was an ABC exec in the 70s and 80s, is the guy who's in charge and changed the focus from simply a Nostalgia Channel (its original name) to a channel for 50-plus audiences.  Interesting that its corporate name is still "Nostalgia Channel, Inc."
He's no longer with the network; per the web site (http://\"http://www.whengodwinks.com/squire_bio.html\") for his book When God Winks, he left the network a while back.  On an on-topic note, the same bio notes that Rushnell's wife is one Louise DuArt, whom we know as the host of Lifetime's Rodeo Drive.
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And it seemed to me that she had a show on GoodLife when Rushnell was running the place--just like Cristina Ferrare Thomopoulos hosted FAM's "Home and Family" when her hubby was running FAM in its last days--and just like Julie Chen still has two jobs at CBS as long as *her* boy friend runs the place.

ObGameShow:  Cristina's "Home and Family" co-hosts--Chuck Woolery and Michael Burger.