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Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: 14gameshows on December 03, 2004, 10:12:38 AM
OK, if the reason behind Moonves preventing Fremantle from allowing GSN to air reruns of PRICE is because of Overexposure, then why are most of CBS's primetime hits already on cable.  Without a Trace is on TNT, CSI is on twice a night on Spike TV, CSI:Miami is on A&E, Cold Case is on another station and of course the comedy shows are in syndication.  Isn't that overexposure for those shows?  Let's be for real, PRICE on GSN wouldn't hurt PRICE's daytime ratings much because alot of folk have to record the show and watch them later on in the evenings anyways.  Look at the college kids, IIRC a lot of college courses are happening during hte 11am hour.  How can they watch it, during breaks or by TiVo or VCR.  The ratings of PRICE are determined due to the older demographics who are actually home to watch it as it happens at 11am.  Also the older demographic probably dont watch GSN much or at least dont know where it is located on their cable/satellite line up, IMO.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 03, 2004, 11:56:04 AM
I don't know what it's like at colleges anymore.  When I was in college in the late '70s and early '80s, the only way I could watch TV was in the student lounge, nobody I knew had a TV in their actual dorm room. Has it progressed to VCRs and TIVOs? Of course, when I was in college, the bathrooms and showers were down the hall and we didn't have computers.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: zachhoran on December 03, 2004, 12:05:44 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 11:56 AM\']I don't know what it's like at colleges anymore.  When I was in college in the late '70s and early '80s, the only way I could watch TV was in the student lounge, nobody I knew had a TV in their actual dorm room. Has it progressed to VCRs and TIVOs? Of course, when I was in college, the bathrooms and showers were down the hall and we didn't have computers.
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It had progressed to TVs in most dorms and VCRs in some dorms by the mid 90s(my college years were August 1993-December 1997). I doubt anyone had a Tivo, Tivos weren't even introduced until the mid-late 90s, no? The 1993-94 school year at Trenton State College(College of NJ) saw no cable TV in the dorms, so those who wanted TV reception had to buy rabbit ears. Fall 1994 saw the introduction of cable, USA was among the stations IIRC but there was no FAM and of course, no GSN. There was one student lounge in the Student Center, but rarely was someone in there(I watched only 28 minutes of TV in that lounge).
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: FeudDude on December 03, 2004, 12:11:09 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 11:56 AM\']I don't know what it's like at colleges anymore.  When I was in college in the late '70s and early '80s, the only way I could watch TV was in the student lounge, nobody I knew had a TV in their actual dorm room. Has it progressed to VCRs and TIVOs? Of course, when I was in college, the bathrooms and showers were down the hall and we didn't have computers.
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Most people in dorms do have TVs and VCRs - not sure about TiVo.  (We do still have bathrooms/showers down the hall here though...)

In a way, I could understand how Moonves would be worried about GSN overexposing TPIR, considering their tendency to show their most popular shows multiple times a day and to rerun-abuse their originals.  Still, I don't see why CBS couldn't reach some kind of compromise with GSN - for example, GSN would get the rights to the show but could only air it once a day and only after 4 pm.  In any case, I think it's more of a money issue than anything else - if GSN offered CBS/Fremantle/whoever enough money, they'd give in, but GSN prefers to spend their money on card game tournaments and (at least up until recently) reality shows
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 03, 2004, 01:34:07 PM
Another thing is that TPIR is the kind of show that doesn't demand that you watch it first-run.  It's not like a soap or a primetime show where you are behind the pop culture curve if you don't watch it the first time it is presented.  A day and date nightly airing (or even old reruns) on GSN might harm the CBS show because you would not be forced to watch it at 11am.  Why watch or tape at 11am when you can see it on a cable channel that night?
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: cmjb13 on December 03, 2004, 01:51:04 PM
Overexposure didn't seem to harm the CBS show when GSN had aired Price for about 4 years (Not to mention GSN aired 4 versions: Cullen, Barker, James, and Kennedy. Now that's overexposure).
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 03, 2004, 01:57:37 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 01:51 PM\']Overexposure didn't seem to harm the CBS show when GSN had aired Price for about 4 years (Not to mention GSN aired 4 versions: Cullen, Barker, James, and Kennedy)
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I'm not sure if we can conclude that the main show wasn't harmed during that time, although GSN wasn't available to many viewers back then. There must be some reason it has been withdrawn from GSN.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: aaron sica on December 03, 2004, 02:00:45 PM
Not to mention at one point (was in early 1997 at least, not sure how long), GSN would air TPiR in the afternoon at 1pm (EST). That was fine on the east coast, but on the west coast, it was airing at the same time as the CBS TPiR.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: uncamark on December 03, 2004, 03:26:13 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 01:57 PM\'][quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 01:51 PM\']Overexposure didn't seem to harm the CBS show when GSN had aired Price for about 4 years (Not to mention GSN aired 4 versions: Cullen, Barker, James, and Kennedy)
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I'm not sure if we can conclude that the main show wasn't harmed during that time, although GSN wasn't available to many viewers back then. There must be some reason it has been withdrawn from GSN.
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Right now, I would suspect that GSN would want to repurpose the current run of "TPIR" at night and is not really interested in regaining the back shows.  Doesn't matter--Moonves won't allow the repurpose.

Also, don't forget that CBS is a part-owner of the "CSI" franchise and stands to make a mint off of the show (not to mention the distributor, Viacom subsid King World).  CBS won't get a cent from any repurposing of "TPIR," because Fremantle owns that show 100% (they also own that show, too).

And I still believe that Barker doesn't want those shows where he's talking to Dian to be seen anywhere, even if they were 20 to 25 years ago.  It may've not mattered when the rights were first sold, since Jonathan Goodson was still involved then and Barker knew to stay out of his way.  Barker probably has more leverage now at Fremantle than he did when a Goodson was running things.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: cmjb13 on December 03, 2004, 03:58:17 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 03:26 PM\']And I still believe that Barker doesn't want those shows where he's talking to Dian to be seen anywhere, even if they were 20 to 25 years ago.  It may've not mattered when the rights were first sold, since Jonathan Goodson was still involved then and Barker knew to stay out of his way.
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Don't forget that Barker own's a piece of the show (how big, I don't know), so it's in his financial interest for a deal like this to be done. (assuming if he's the holdout in finalizing a deal, which I don't think is the case)

Same thing goes for a new host (please don't respond to this, I'm just making a comparison). It's in his financial interest that a new host does well.

It's just common business sense.

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Barker probably has more leverage now at Fremantle than he did when a Goodson was running things.
Well, Goodson was "the" man. Who's "the" man at Fremantle? Syd?
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: uncamark on December 03, 2004, 04:08:29 PM
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Barker probably has more leverage now at Fremantle than he did when a Goodson was running things.
Well, Goodson was "the" man. Who's "the" man at Fremantle? Syd?
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I believe a Brit named Greg Lyle is FremantleMedia North America's chief these days.  Syd was pushed into consultant limbo about the time Pearson bowed out and sold their share to RTL.  In a rare showing of insight by the Perfesser, he could probably also be called informally "Fremantle VP-in-charge-of-Barker."
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: zachhoran on December 03, 2004, 07:38:33 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 01:51 PM\']Overexposure didn't seem to harm the CBS show when GSN had aired Price for about 4 years (Not to mention GSN aired 4 versions: Cullen, Barker, James, and Kennedy. Now that's overexposure).
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The only Dennis James-hosted TPIRs that aired were the daytime shows in December 1974 where he subbed for Bob. The 70s nighttime TPIR never aired on GSN, since Bob supposedly vetoed showing those due to fur coats given away on most or all of the episodes.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: aaron sica on December 03, 2004, 07:40:27 PM
Speaking of the '70s TPiR.....Was it a weekly show, or twice weekly toward the end? I have a May 1979 TV Guide ad for WLYH-TV 15 in which they have it on @ 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday and Thursday....
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: zachhoran on December 03, 2004, 07:41:55 PM
[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 07:40 PM\']Speaking of the '70s TPiR.....Was it a weekly show, or twice weekly toward the end? I have a May 1979 TV Guide ad for WLYH-TV 15 in which they have it on @ 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday and Thursday....
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It was meant to be a weekly, but maybe some stations aired it twice weekly by the late 70s(as was done with Feud before it was expanded to five days a week, Name that Tune, and Squares before its expansion to five a week in 1980-81). WPVI Philly aired TPIR weekly Wednesday nights as 7:30PM, and aired Squares Tue and Thu and Feud Mon and Fri in 1979-80(IIRC Cullen Pyramid aired on Monday nights prior to 1979-80)
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: SplitSecond on December 03, 2004, 07:58:22 PM
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I believe a Brit named Greg Lyle is FremantleMedia North America's chief these days.  Syd was pushed into consultant limbo about the time Pearson bowed out and sold their share to RTL.  In a rare showing of insight by the Perfesser, he could probably also be called informally "Fremantle VP-in-charge-of-Barker."
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Well, you're right, except for the fact that his name is David Lyle, he's from Australia, and he hasn't been with Fremantle since February.

Tom Gutteridge ("Paradise Hotel") is the new head honcho.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: irismason42 on December 04, 2004, 12:04:40 AM
We talked about this last year, Fremantle doesn't own TPIR anymore, it's CBS is now owning TPIR. Now after CBS gives up on showing TPIR, GSN could still get some interest in showing the back episodes because we've read about Rich Cronin's interview in bringing back TPIR Classics back in July of last year and he said they'll bring it back but again, CBS is holding on to TPIR reruns until they chose to give it back(which is a false statement until around 2007).
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on December 04, 2004, 12:25:56 AM
Everyone in the room is now stupider for having read that.  I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: Red on December 04, 2004, 05:02:33 AM
Even if TPIR ended this year, and ended up with all 33 seasons being bought by GSN. Knowing them, they'd pull a WOF on us and air like Season 32 year over and over and over.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: uncamark on December 04, 2004, 07:30:51 PM
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I believe a Brit named Greg Lyle is FremantleMedia North America's chief these days.  Syd was pushed into consultant limbo about the time Pearson bowed out and sold their share to RTL.  In a rare showing of insight by the Perfesser, he could probably also be called informally "Fremantle VP-in-charge-of-Barker."
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Well, you're right, except for the fact that his name is David Lyle, he's from Australia, and he hasn't been with Fremantle since February.

Tom Gutteridge ("Paradise Hotel") is the new head honcho.
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Boy, when you're not paying any attention...  :)

And no wonder Amanda Byram got "The Swan" gig (of course, A. Smith is the U.S. showrunner company for both shows...).
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: irismason42 on December 04, 2004, 08:02:01 PM
And BTW, TPIR is a Goodson/Todman and/or a Goodson show so it can be aired in multiple years everyday.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: tvwxman on December 04, 2004, 09:25:41 PM
[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Dec 4 2004, 08:02 PM\']And BTW, TPIR is a Goodson/Todman and/or a Goodson show so it can be aired in multiple years everyday.
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This is for IrisMason ONLY.

May I ask the question that most people here want to know...

Are you disabled? Because there has got to be an honest reason for your postings. And I just don't believe that you're like AdamJK, Karlberg, Witch, Bandit, Henke and the rest.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: Don Howard on December 04, 2004, 09:45:01 PM
[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Dec 4 2004, 08:02 PM\']And BTW, TPIR is a Goodson/Todman and/or a Goodson show so it can be aired in multiple years everyday.
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Only the Nicholson-Muir and Fishman-Freer libraries have licensing agreements like that.
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: chris319 on December 05, 2004, 02:42:06 AM
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And I still believe that Barker doesn't want those shows where he's talking to Dian to be seen anywhere, even if they were 20 to 25 years ago.
Is there any basis for this or is it pure speculation?
Title: TPIR and GSN
Post by: NicholasM79 on December 05, 2004, 05:26:20 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 5 2004, 03:42 AM\']Is there any basis for this or is it pure speculation?
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Well, GSN showed many shows with Barker and Parkinson back when they had TPIR before, and he didn't seem to mind. In fact, it was more controversial back in 1996-2000 than it is now (in my opinion), so why would he mind now?

Think about it...