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Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: chris319 on November 25, 2004, 06:40:10 PM
In the fall of 1979 Goodson Todman Productions had the following shows in production:

The Price Is Right -- daytime CBS and nighttime
Match Game -- syndicated
All New Beat the Clock -- CBS daytime
Family Feud -- daytime ABC and nighttime
Password Plus -- NBC daytime
Card Sharks -- NBC daytime
Mindreaders -- NBC daytime

Can anyone think of a period when there were more G-T shows in production than this?

Hep refresh my memory here:

1. Nighttime TPIR (Barker) was once per week?

2. Match Game was in strip syndication (five days per week). Was there a 6th nighttime show during this period?

3. FF did 10 shows per week (daytime and nighttime)?
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: BrandonFG on November 25, 2004, 06:44:01 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 06:40 PM\']In the fall of 1979 Goodson Todman Productions had the following shows in production:

The Price Is Right -- daytime CBS and nighttime
Match Game -- syndicated
All New Beat the Clock -- CBS daytime
Family Feud -- daytime ABC and nighttime
Password Plus -- NBC daytime
Card Sharks -- NBC daytime
Mindreaders -- NBC daytime

Can anyone think of a period when there were more G-T shows in production than this?

Hep refresh my memory here:

1. Nighttime TPIR (Barker) was once per week?

2. Match Game was in strip syndication (five days per week). Was there a 6th nighttime show during this period?

3. FF did 10 shows per week (daytime and nighttime)?
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1. Not sure

2. Match Game PM was still going

3. Not for another year.

I actually beat Zach to something...what do I win? ;-)
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: chris319 on November 25, 2004, 06:51:07 PM
You win the right to play against Zach tomorrow.

So there was just one FF nighttime episode during this period, correct?

It's coming back to me now: the order for nighttime FF was upped from one to five shows per week.
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: BrandonFG on November 25, 2004, 06:55:35 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 06:51 PM\']You win the right to play against Zach tomorrow.

So there was just one FF nighttime episode during this period, correct?

It's coming back to me now: the order for nighttime FF was upped from one to five shows per week.
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I think it was twice-a-week in '79, then daily in 1980.
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Post by: Steve Gavazzi on November 25, 2004, 07:08:44 PM
And yes, syndie Price was once a week.
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: Jimmy Owen on November 25, 2004, 08:08:55 PM
G-T took out a trade ad in Broadcasting sometime in 1980 or 81 that mentioned setting a record for programming currently in production.  I think by that time they were also doing TTTT in NYC and "Blockbusters." So those two would supplant BTC and "Mindreaders." I think what put it over the top was the ABC primetime FF specials and "That's My Line" may have also been "in production."
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: Robair on November 25, 2004, 08:27:55 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 06:40 PM\']In the fall of 1979 Goodson Todman Productions had the following shows in production:

The Price Is Right -- daytime CBS and nighttime
Match Game -- syndicated
All New Beat the Clock -- CBS daytime
Family Feud -- daytime ABC and nighttime
Password Plus -- NBC daytime
Card Sharks -- NBC daytime
Mindreaders -- NBC daytime

Can anyone think of a period when there were more G-T shows in production than this?[/quote]

I got you beat here, chief...

SPRING 1974
Price Is Right -- daytime CBS and nighttime
Password -- daytime ABC
To Tell the Truth -- syndicated
What's My Line -- syndicated
Beat the Clock -- syndicated (final season)
Tattletales -- daytime CBS
Now You See It -- daytime CBS
Match Game -- daytime CBS

I don't think any combo from 1980 comes close to this. Technically it's eight different shows. So it's a more prolific mix.

And it's amazing because it came at a time when G-T wasn't servicing NBC...after "Match Game" was cancelled in 1969, they didn't have a Goodson-Todman show on their schedule again until "Card Sharks".
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: BrandonFG on November 25, 2004, 08:37:14 PM
Syndia Concentration too.
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: SRIV94 on November 25, 2004, 08:44:41 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 05:40 PM\']Can anyone think of a period when there were more G-T shows in production than this?
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OK, I cheated and did a little research (while I wait for the tryptophan to set in).  But look at the spring and summer of 1964 (with help from the EOTVGS):

WML? (CBS prime-time)
IGAS (CBS prime-time)
TTTT (CBS daytime and prime-time)
MG6x (NBC daytime)
PASSWORD (CBS daytime and prime-time)
TPIR (ABC daytime and prime-time)
MISSING LINKS (ABC daytime)
SAY WHEN (NBC daytime)
GET THE MESSAGE (ABC daytime)

That'd be 40 eps per week (and nine different shows to tie Robair's more prolific mix).  

EDIT:  After further review, Robair still beats me (if you add CONCENTRATION to the mix), as his list comprises 42 eps while mine only comprises 40.  But both do beat Chris C.'s heyday (which was a pretty good one in of itself).

Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues
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Post by: irismason42 on November 25, 2004, 08:51:21 PM
Don't forget that back in 1977, every Goodson/Todman game show was on CBS, minus Family Feud, and the new upcoming game, The Better Sex, which both broadcasted on ABC.-
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Post by: zachhoran on November 25, 2004, 09:11:51 PM
[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 08:51 PM\']Don't forget that back in 1977, every Goodson/Todman game show was on CBS, minus Family Feud, and the new upcoming game, The Better Sex, which both broadcasted on ABC.-
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TTTT and Concentration were Syndicated, and there were weekly syndie versions of Feud, MG7x, TPiR, and Tattletales in 1977-78.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on November 25, 2004, 09:25:20 PM
[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 08:44 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 05:40 PM\']Can anyone think of a period when there were more G-T shows in production than this?
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OK, I cheated and did a little research (while I wait for the tryptophan to set in).  But look at the spring and summer of 1964 (with help from the EOTVGS):

WML? (CBS prime-time)
IGAS (CBS prime-time)
TTTT (CBS daytime and prime-time)
MG6x (NBC daytime)
PASSWORD (CBS daytime and prime-time)
TPIR (ABC daytime and prime-time)
MISSING LINKS (ABC daytime)
SAY WHEN (NBC daytime)
GET THE MESSAGE (ABC daytime)

That'd be 40 eps per week (and nine different shows to tie Robair's more prolific mix).  

EDIT:  After further review, Robair still beats me (if you add CONCENTRATION to the mix), as his list comprises 42 eps while mine only comprises 40.  But both do beat Chris C.'s heyday (which was a pretty good one in of itself).

Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues
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G-T's "Richard Boone Show" was also on NBC from 9/63 to 9/64.
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: SRIV94 on November 25, 2004, 09:46:51 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 08:25 PM\']G-T's "Richard Boone Show" was also on NBC from 9/63 to 9/64.
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What was the top prize on that show (I always forget)?  :)

Still, OK, Robair beats me 42-41.

ObThanksgiving:  I'm very thankful for this board and the camaraderie established.

Doug -- and the countdown to 800 continues
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: chris319 on November 25, 2004, 10:47:04 PM
SPRING 1974

The Price Is Right -- daytime CBS and nighttime
Password -- daytime ABC
To Tell the Truth -- syndicated
What's My Line -- syndicated
Beat the Clock -- syndicated (final season)
Tattletales -- daytime CBS
Now You See It -- daytime CBS
Match Game -- daytime CBS
Concentration -- syndicated

Broken down by Producer/E.P.:

Frank Wayne: TPIR, NYSI, P, BTC

Ira Skutch: Match Game, Tattletales

Howard Felsher: P, Concentration

Gil Fates: TTTT, WML?

Corrections?
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: chris319 on November 25, 2004, 10:51:53 PM
The Price Is Right -- daytime CBS and nighttime -- 11 half hours
Match Game -- syndicated -- 6 half hours
All New Beat the Clock -- CBS daytime -- 5 half hours
Family Feud -- daytime ABC and nighttime -- 7 half hours
Password Plus -- NBC daytime -- 5 half hours
Card Sharks -- NBC daytime -- 5 half hours
Mindreaders -- NBC daytime -- 5 half hours

Total: 44 half hours per week
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: Don Howard on November 26, 2004, 03:26:11 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 10:51 PM\']The Price Is Right -- daytime CBS and nighttime -- 11 half hours
Match Game -- syndicated -- 6 half hours
All New Beat the Clock -- CBS daytime -- 5 half hours
Family Feud -- daytime ABC and nighttime -- 7 half hours
Password Plus -- NBC daytime -- 5 half hours
Card Sharks -- NBC daytime -- 5 half hours
Mindreaders -- NBC daytime -- 5 half hours

Total: 44 half hours per week
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Didn't the nighttime Price Is Right end before the fall 1979 season started? If so, it's still an impressive 43 half-hours.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on November 26, 2004, 08:53:43 AM
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Didn't the nighttime Price Is Right end before the fall 1979 season started? If so, it's still an impressive 43 half-hours.


Nighttime "Price is Right" was on from 1972-80, so 1979-80 was its final season.
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: Jimmy Owen on November 26, 2004, 09:35:29 AM
Turning to my trusty TV Guide collection, WCBS had NTPIR at 7:30 Saturday until June of 81.  It had switched from WNBC in the fall of 79.  Of course, it's possible Viacom ended production before that and Channel 2 was running encore telecasts.  Veering away from G-T, but interesting nonetheless, the TVG also has WABC showing Hollywood Squares in access in 81---with Wally Cox and Charley Weaver among the panelists.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on November 26, 2004, 02:29:55 PM
That was actually quite normal back then.  "Match Game" and (the non-GT) "Newlywed Game" were two other shows that stayed in syndication long after the production stopped.  "Match Game" was still listed in TVGuides as late as the '83-84 season, and "Newlywed Game" carried on until about '82, before it disappeared for a couple of years.  In fall 1984, "Dating" and "Newlywed" reruns were re-syndicated, which led to newer versions a year or two later.
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Post by: joshg on November 26, 2004, 05:33:29 PM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Nov 26 2004, 11:29 AM\']"Match Game" stayed in syndication long after the production stopped.  "Match Game" was still listed in TVGuides as late as the '83-84 season
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Would this explain why I seem to remember "Match Game" airing mornings on WPVI in Philly in '83 or '84? After the 'official' run ended?

Josh
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Post by: Steve Gavazzi on November 26, 2004, 07:24:14 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Nov 26 2004, 09:35 AM\']Turning to my trusty TV Guide collection, WCBS had NTPIR at 7:30 Saturday until June of 81.  It had switched from WNBC in the fall of 79.  Of course, it's possible Viacom ended production before that and Channel 2 was running encore telecasts.
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That almost has to be the case -- I've been lurking/posting on ATGS et al. for seven or eight years, and I've never seen a reference to the show being in production beyond 1980.
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Post by: zachhoran on November 26, 2004, 07:29:31 PM
[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Nov 26 2004, 05:33 PM\']
Would this explain why I seem to remember "Match Game" airing mornings on WPVI in Philly in '83 or '84? After the 'official' run ended?

Josh
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WPVI aired the SYndie MG from June 30 1980-September 10 1982 during its original run, but never aired syndicated reruns of it which aired on some stations as late as 1986(KDKA in 1983 and WPXI in 1985-86 in Pittsburgh both aired reruns of MG Syndie)
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Post by: ChuckNet on November 26, 2004, 07:43:10 PM
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WPVI aired the SYndie MG from June 30 1980-September 10 1982 during its original run, but never aired syndicated reruns of it which aired on some stations as late as 1986(KDKA in 1983 and WPXI in 1985-86 in Pittsburgh both aired reruns of MG Syndie)

Other stations that aired syndie MG reruns included:
WVIT (Ch. 30), Hartford (had it for the 82-83 season, possibly also 83-84)
WNEV (Ch. 7), Boston (may have had it as late as 85)
KRLD (Ch. 33), Dallas-Ft. Worth (which was quite generous to GS fans, also airing reruns of the '70s Treasure Hunt and syndie DG around that same time...they had it until at least 84)
WSB (Ch. 2), Atlanta (they had it until 86)

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
Title: The Most G-T Shows at Once
Post by: chris319 on November 26, 2004, 10:49:41 PM
I was at a taping of nighttime TPIR in December 1979 to discuss game ideas with Frank Wayne, so it ran at least until some time in 1980.
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Post by: Don Howard on November 27, 2004, 07:47:27 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 26 2004, 10:49 PM\']I was at a taping of nighttime TPIR in December 1979 to discuss game ideas with Frank Wayne, so it ran at least until some time in 1980.
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Good enough for me. Guess my "encyclopedia" contains a no-no.
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Post by: ChuckNet on November 28, 2004, 12:54:55 PM
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In fall 1984, "Dating" and "Newlywed" reruns were re-syndicated, which led to newer versions a year or two later.

Here in NY, WPIX (Ch. 11) carried NG reruns, while WOR (Ch. 9), ironically the station that originally carried the late 70s DG when it orig. aired, got said show.

My first memory of the 70s NG? During the credits to one ep, I remember a camera shot ANOTHER cameraman who was shooting the credits as they ran across the board...only on a Barris show, folks. :-)

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Post by: JasonA1 on November 28, 2004, 02:24:07 PM
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I remember a camera shot ANOTHER cameraman who was shooting the credits as they ran across the board

AGTOT? ;)

-Jason
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Post by: Ian Wallis on November 28, 2004, 05:34:05 PM
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My first memory of the 70s NG? During the credits to one ep, I remember a camera shot ANOTHER cameraman who was shooting the credits as they ran across the board...only on a Barris show, folks. :-)


I believe that show has been run by GSN.  I remember another episode where the full credit roll ran the correct way, got to the final "Chuck Barris Production" slide, then ran backwards, all the way back to the "Exective Producer...Chuck Barris" slide, which was usually the first credit shown.  They had a lot of time to fill that show so I guess they figured, why not?
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Post by: Ian Wallis on November 28, 2004, 05:36:24 PM
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I was at a taping of nighttime TPIR in December 1979 to discuss game ideas with Frank Wayne, so it ran at least until some time in 1980.


For what it's worth, there is a copy of the nighttime "Price" in the trade curcuit that was taped March 12th, 1980.  It is widely believed to be the last nighttime show.
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Post by: zachhoran on November 28, 2004, 07:43:22 PM
[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Nov 28 2004, 12:54 PM\']
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In fall 1984, "Dating" and "Newlywed" reruns were re-syndicated, which led to newer versions a year or two later.

Here in NY, WPIX (Ch. 11) carried NG reruns, while WOR (Ch. 9), ironically the station that originally carried the late 70s DG when it orig. aired, got said show.


Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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WOR aired a 70s syndie DG-NG rerun block in 1984-85, in afternoons after TJW and TTD, but WPXI did air them for a brief period in 1983-84.
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Post by: uncamark on November 29, 2004, 06:14:28 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 10:47 PM\']Broken down by Producer/E.P.:

Frank Wayne: TPIR, NYSI, P, BTC

Ira Skutch: Match Game, Tattletales

Howard Felsher: P, Concentration

Gil Fates: TTTT, WML?

Corrections?
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I never recall Fates listed as a producer of any type on the 69-78 "TTTT," only Bruno Zirato (and I believe Mimi O'Brien was line producer the last couple of years with Bruno as EP)--and he was only listed as a producer on syndie "WML?"--never as EP.
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Post by: zachhoran on November 29, 2004, 06:49:17 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 06:14 PM\']
I never recall Fates listed as a producer of any type on the 69-78 "TTTT," only Bruno Zirato (and I believe Mimi O'Brien was line producer the last couple of years with Bruno as EP)--and he was only listed as a producer on syndie "WML?"--never as EP.
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Fates was listed as an EP on the 1980-81 TTTT; Bruno was working with Sandy Frank on Face the Music around that time.
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Post by: chris319 on November 29, 2004, 10:38:17 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 04:14 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 25 2004, 10:47 PM\']Broken down by Producer/E.P.:

Frank Wayne: TPIR, NYSI, P, BTC

Ira Skutch: Match Game, Tattletales

Howard Felsher: P, Concentration

Gil Fates: TTTT, WML?

Corrections?
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I never recall Fates listed as a producer of any type on the 69-78 "TTTT," only Bruno Zirato (and I believe Mimi O'Brien was line producer the last couple of years with Bruno as EP)--and he was only listed as a producer on syndie "WML?"--never as EP.
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Credits are funny things sometimes. Despite what the credits say, I don't think Chester Feldman set foot on the set or in the booth of P+ but once or twice after January 1979. Likely his position as "creative consultant" was little more than a way to charge his salary against a show. Oh, and he wrote the emcee language that was used throughout the run, albeit in abridged form. Similarly, during his tenure as "creative consultant" on TPIR, Marc Breslow was basically being paid (very handsomely) to stay off the set, as part of a 10-year severance package. At least that's my understanding.
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Post by: pianogeek on November 29, 2004, 11:33:27 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 10:38 PM\']... Similarly, during his tenure as "creative consultant" on TPIR, Marc Breslow was basically being paid (very handsomely) to stay off the set, as part of a 10-year severance package. At least that's my understanding.
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Hmmm...that had me thinking from the time I read ChrisL!'s TPiR FAQ page a loooong time ago....  Was this Breslow set-ban related to the story where Barker wanted him out due to some dispute about being on-camera more?
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Post by: cmjb13 on November 30, 2004, 06:35:03 AM
[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Nov 29 2004, 11:33 PM\']Was this Breslow set-ban related to the story where Barker wanted him out due to some dispute about being on-camera more?
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As I understand it, he was shooting Barker in "unflattering" ways which made him look bad (on purpose or not, I don't know). Barker went to Goodson and said something along the lines of it was either him or Breslow, and the choice was obvious.

Breslow was also responsible for those, IMO, horrible IUFB graphics where an item would not be shown full-screen. The rest of the screen would be filled with a blue-like graphic.

Last I heard, he was living in Florida.
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Post by: mystery7 on November 30, 2004, 12:29:01 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 06:35 AM\']Breslow was also responsible for those, IMO, horrible IUFB graphics where an item would not be shown full-screen. The rest of the screen would be filled with a blue-like graphic.
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Eeegh. Thanks for reminding me of those.  A gray diamond on a black background, pink oval on green...also unflattering, and nauseating sometimes.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on November 30, 2004, 02:15:09 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 06:35 AM\']Breslow was also responsible for those, IMO, horrible IUFB graphics where an item would not be shown full-screen. The rest of the screen would be filled with a blue-like graphic.
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Such as the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pictures on this page,:
http://www.tpir.tv/bloopers/2/bloopers2.htm (http://\"http://www.tpir.tv/bloopers/2/bloopers2.htm\")
I assume?
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Post by: uncamark on November 30, 2004, 02:49:28 PM
[quote name=\'mystery7\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 12:29 PM\'][quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 06:35 AM\']Breslow was also responsible for those, IMO, horrible IUFB graphics where an item would not be shown full-screen. The rest of the screen would be filled with a blue-like graphic.
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Eeegh. Thanks for reminding me of those.  A gray diamond on a black background, pink oval on green...also unflattering, and nauseating sometimes.
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Very much of the times, though, and small compared to the generally high-quality job he did on the G-T shows.  Compared to Richard Kline's overuse of wipes on the B&E shows, it's almost restrained.
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Post by: BrandonFG on November 30, 2004, 03:29:03 PM
[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 02:15 PM\'][quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 06:35 AM\']Breslow was also responsible for those, IMO, horrible IUFB graphics where an item would not be shown full-screen. The rest of the screen would be filled with a blue-like graphic.
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Such as the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pictures on this page,:
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Seems like it, but don't they still use a graphic similar to that? I think it's a red/yellow/orange border, and inside is a close-up of a colorful TPiR "clamshell", which then opens to reveal the IUFB.

BTW, the oval seems no different than what TJW intro used to do, except the latter used a circle.
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Post by: chris319 on November 30, 2004, 06:02:34 PM
The way Breslow shot Barker is an easy thing to fix and no one would lose their job over it. There were much bigger issues between Barker and Breslow resulting in the latter being taken off the show save for his "creative consultant" stipend and credit.

Whether or not you like the vignette effects he used on prizes, Breslow brought a lot of innovation and creativity to the way TPIR is staged and shot. IMHO the current director is simply following the pattern set by Breslow and is doing an incompetent job of it.

Breslow directed a show in Florida but still lives in California.
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Post by: Jamey Greek on November 30, 2004, 06:02:59 PM
In September 1988 G-T had the following

Card Sharks CBS Daytime

Family Feud CBS Daytime and Syndication

The Price is Right CBS Daytime

Classic Concentration NBC Daytime


In April to July 1989 G-T had the following


Classic Concentration

Card Sharks

Now You See It CBS Daytime

Family Feud CBS Daytime and Syndication

The Price is Right



In 1990 G-T had the following

Match Game ABC Daytime

Classic Concentration NBC Daytime

To Tell the Truth NBC Daytime

Family Feud CBS Daytime and Syndication

The Price is Right CBS Daytime
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Post by: cmjb13 on November 30, 2004, 06:47:15 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 06:02 PM\']Breslow brought a lot of innovation and creativity to the way TPIR is staged and shot.[/quote]
Such as...
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Post by: chris319 on November 30, 2004, 10:58:26 PM
[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 04:47 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 06:02 PM\']Breslow brought a lot of innovation and creativity to the way TPIR is staged and shot.[/quote]
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Watch the show some time. Look at the pictures. What you're seeing is 95% Breslow.
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Post by: zachhoran on November 30, 2004, 11:37:55 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Nov 30 2004, 10:58 PM\']
Watch the show some time. Look at the pictures. What you're seeing is 95% Breslow.
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Two Breslow innovations that are noticeably absent these days: The SCSD shot of the contestant superimposed inside the pointer of the Big WHeel, and the extreme close up of the readout flashing the Showcase winner's grand total during the end credits.
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Post by: SplitSecond on December 01, 2004, 12:02:34 AM
One thing I miss from the Breslow days is the shot sequence he would frequently use when Bob would ask Johnny to call a new contestant - closeup of Bob, dissolve to a shot pushing in on the audience, dissolve to the standard pan of the audience.  It's a subtle thing, but more than just covering the awkward stage wait between Bob tossing to Johnny and Johnny finally getting around to saying the name, it also gives the visual perception that we're all actually going into the audience to help find that contestant.

But think about this: other than some minor technological changes, the way the show's opening is shot hasn't changed in almost 30 years.  That's a major credit to Marc Breslow as a director.
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Post by: chris319 on December 01, 2004, 06:03:11 AM
Barker's entrance is a clever bit of directing. It involves a matched dissolve from the title to door 2, with Barker walking diagonally across the stage toward camera 1. Breslow somehow had to bridge the gap from camera 1 to the single of Barker on camera 4 without disorienting the viewer. The solution: a wide shot of the audience and the stage on camera 2. To add to the cleverness of this maneuver, you never see camera 2 itself, even though it is quite close to Barker's path out of door 2.

The appearance of the Hi-Lo game is another nice touch. He could have put the Hi-Lo table on the turntable or behind the price tag, but instead he had the models roll it on. In Lucky Seven, he could have put the car behind a door but instead had it driven onstage. One thing I always liked back in the fur days was the way the Zinman Furs logo floated on and off the screen. Nuances like these I don't think Paul or Bart would ever have come up with.
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Post by: zachhoran on December 01, 2004, 08:19:29 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 1 2004, 06:03 AM\']

The appearance of the Hi-Lo game is another nice touch. He could have put the Hi-Lo table on the turntable or behind the price tag, but instead he had the models roll it on. In Lucky Seven, he could have put the car behind a door but instead had it driven onstage. One thing I always liked back in the fur days was the way the Zinman Furs logo floated on and off the screen. Nuances like these I don't think Paul or Bart would ever have come up with.
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Hi-Lo on the turntable? Don't think it would fit there. TnPIR94 used the car rollout technique for Any Number, Money Game, and I think One Away. What would really be wild is Double Prices on the turntable.
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Post by: SRIV94 on December 01, 2004, 12:43:17 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 1 2004, 05:03 AM\']The solution: a wide shot of the audience and the stage on camera 2. To add to the cleverness of this maneuver, you never see camera 2 itself, even though it is quite close to Barker's path out of door 2.
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That's the shot that starts with the close-up of the stagelights before tilting back down to stage level, yes?

And all that gets thrown out the window if Golden Road (among a couple of others, a comprehensive list of which is not necessary) is played, as Barker then enters from the audience.

Doug
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Post by: tvrandywest on December 01, 2004, 01:09:29 PM
Amen to the credit being given to Marc Breslow. Let's not forget the great shots utilizing the mirrors on pieces of furniture, and the interesting close-ups of car hubcaps and the like that pulled-out to reveal the full vehicles.

Credit also goes to Technical Director Ray Angona who was given the chance to be creative with some of the wipes and transitions, as well as the manufacturers' logos. And please remember that those fun effects were all created on the old equipment, long before the computer assistance now available to Mr. Eskander and Mr. Hallmark.


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Post by: cmjb13 on December 01, 2004, 01:16:47 PM
[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Dec 1 2004, 01:09 PM\']as well as the manufacturers' logos
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I always liked those logos (especially when the model was holding it for a close-up) and wondered why they went away.

I thought it was because it was a cost-cutting measure and it was easier to display the logos via graphics, rather than art cards (or whatever they were called)
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Post by: chris319 on December 01, 2004, 02:55:11 PM
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That's the shot that starts with the close-up of the stagelights before tilting back down to stage level, yes?
No, it was orignially just a shot of the audience and stage with a couple of star-filtered colored lights at the back of the house. Watch an episode from, say, 1974. Then some cameraman got ambitious one day and started shooting the lights.
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Post by: tvrandywest on December 01, 2004, 03:15:25 PM
Talk about first memories of old episodes, I remember being fascinated by the way the show was shot with both straight-on wide shots of the stage AND reverse angle wide shots of the audience and contestants from a spot obviously in front of door #2... all without ever seeing a camera or crew member in the shots. Awesome for such a fast-paced show produced live to tape.  

We show clips of classic clips from Price in the TPiR-Live stage show, and I have had the chance to see a number of moments of great direction over and over again. Moments that captured obviously unexpected events, making them so magical decades later. Poor coverage would have detracted so much from their entertainment value.    Kudos again!


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Post by: SRIV94 on December 01, 2004, 03:29:43 PM
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That's the shot that starts with the close-up of the stagelights before tilting back down to stage level, yes?
No, it was orignially just a shot of the audience and stage with a couple of star-filtered colored lights at the back of the house. Watch an episode from, say, 1974. Then some cameraman got ambitious one day and started shooting the lights.
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I did mean currently (not expressed--my bad).  I first recall the "lights" pan being circa 1981 or 1982 (might've been earlier--but not by much).

So the "lights" pan wasn't under orders from Breslow (if I'm inferring what you're saying correctly)?  Interesting.

And I'll join Randy in the kudos as well--I've always had an appreciation for directors, whether it be for game shows, music/variety, sports, et al, and the shot selections they use.  Kinda makes me I had pursued directing during my school-aged years.

Doug
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Post by: chris319 on December 01, 2004, 04:51:45 PM
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So the "lights" pan wasn't under orders from Breslow (if I'm inferring what you're saying correctly)?
Possible scenario:

CAMERAMAN: Hey Marc, how do you like this shot?

BRESLOW: Looks great! Let's use it!

Note to Zach: If they wanted to play Hi-Lo on the turntable, they would have built it to fit the turntable ;-) In fact it's possible that the very first Hi-Lo table could have fit there.

Note to Randy: TPIR has never had a straight-on wide shot of the stage. In order to do so they'd have to have a camera on the flat spot in the back of the house a la Match Game. That flat spot was used for the "pill" under Breslow's direction, which was used to model furs and fashions and which was probably done away with under Paul Alter (and which, IIRC, had PINK carpeting -- dirty pink, but pink just the same).

I'm surprised they've never hung a camera on a pipe or on top of a door with an extra-wide-angle lens for a shot of Barker, the stage and the audience a la Tattletales.
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Post by: cmjb13 on December 01, 2004, 05:16:44 PM
A few years ago, they had one camera mounted in the back corner of the audience near the TPIR sign stage left, but was never used on air. It's possible, they had one in the other corner as well.

You could see what it was showing in the monitors and it looked pretty cool, similar to this photo...

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Post by: tvrandywest on December 01, 2004, 10:33:12 PM
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Note to Randy: TPIR has never had a straight-on wide shot of the stage. In order to do so they'd have to have a camera on the flat spot in the back of the house a la Match Game.
Certainly correct, Chris. I guess that was the illusion it created in my mind. We sure had full coverage of the set from various angles at various times, and never saw that camera in front of door #2 used for the contestants' bids.


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Post by: ChuckNet on December 02, 2004, 06:53:04 PM
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One thing I miss from the Breslow days is the shot sequence he would frequently use when Bob would ask Johnny to call a new contestant - closeup of Bob, dissolve to a shot pushing in on the audience, dissolve to the standard pan of the audience.

I was just thinking of that shot, myself. :-) I also liked how he would stage the One-Bids in unique ways, such as putting the models behind the audience (like a fashion show runway) if they were offering evening gowns.

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Post by: ClockGameJohn on December 02, 2004, 11:28:28 PM
Since this has turned from a G-T thread to a TPiR Director's thread, there's just so much stuff to list.

Remember when Contestant's Row would be shown on the TV they were bidding on?  Same goes for Showcases...

Or Johnny & Rod would be on "TV" doing the plug, and Rod would 'hand' the plug card to the model above the TV!

Certainly each director has had his own niche, but some of the best (and most creative) directing on Price came from the old days.

Pull an old Price tape out and compare it to today.  So much cool stuff you've probably forgotten about!
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Post by: SplitSecond on December 02, 2004, 11:57:02 PM
Bart's recent MO seems to be to throw new shots at the wall (anything that wasn't tried by Breslow or Paul Alter) and see if they stick - and he often keeps using them, even if they don't.

The trucking shot of home base (the turntable) as Barker and the contestant walk up there is a cool (if unnecessary) idea in theory, but in practice, the camerawork is shaky and inconsistent.  What does it buy him?

Having three models model a trip skin or two models flip over a price tag is certainly different... but again, what effect does it achieve?

And I find it interesting that the same director thinks that the dearly departed Plinko prize reveal infringes on his reaction shots, yet refuses to set up a split-screen to get reactions from the contestants spinning the Big Wheel.
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Post by: ClockGameJohn on December 03, 2004, 12:23:02 AM
[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 12:57 AM\']The trucking shot of home base (the turntable) as Barker and the contestant walk up there is a cool (if unnecessary) idea in theory, but in practice, the camerawork is shaky and inconsistent.  What does it buy him?
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That turntable shot is not Bart's idea.  Bob requested it.
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Post by: SplitSecond on December 03, 2004, 12:28:47 AM
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' date=\'Dec 2 2004, 10:23 PM\']That turntable shot is not Bart's idea.  Bob requested it.
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If Barker's constantly worried about showing his good side, Bart's quickly running out of options.
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Post by: joshg on December 03, 2004, 12:29:57 AM
I'm not giving props to the current "Price" director, but I did notice a different shot used during 'Line 'Em Up' that seems to solve the problems BE has with shooting that game. (It's a wide shot of the car, the board on an angle to Door #2 where the car is, the contestant at the gameboard and Barker.)

Wasn't there a union strike in the '70s or something and CBS executives had to man the technical equipment? I remember watching some early half-hour shows (on GSN) and the camera work was absolutely horrific.

In the old days, it seems like they did a hell of a lot more with less available equipment than they're doing today with more technologically-advanced equipment. (And are there more than 5 fonts in the chyron at CBS? What, no 'Impact' font?)

Josh
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Post by: zachhoran on December 03, 2004, 08:07:37 AM
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 12:23 AM\'][quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 12:57 AM\']The trucking shot of home base (the turntable) as Barker and the contestant walk up there is a cool (if unnecessary) idea in theory, but in practice, the camerawork is shaky and inconsistent.  What does it buy him?
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That turntable shot is not Bart's idea.  Bob requested it.
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On the most recent Bonus Game playing, the turntable was 95% rotated to reveal the game when they got to that shot.
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Post by: uncamark on December 03, 2004, 03:38:04 PM
[quote name=\'matchgame\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 12:29 AM\']Wasn't there a union strike in the '70s or something and CBS executives had to man the technical equipment? I remember watching some early half-hour shows (on GSN) and the camera work was absolutely horrific.
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Late 1972.  Since it came fairly early in the run, some "TJW" shows that aired on GSN also had the supervisory personnel doing tech work.  (In the case of "TJW," it dovetailed with the weeks Roy Rowan was filling in for Johnny Jacobs--coincidence, I guess.)  On "Gambit," for some reason there were missing sound effects during the strike--the Gambit board cards turned over to the jackpot reset gong instead of the usual door chime and the foghorn buzzer used for busts was replaced with a standard buzzer.  And the audience reaction on the shows may've been less sweetened or not sweetened at all, depending on the show or who was running (or not running) the CBS Mother MacKenzie.

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In the old days, it seems like they did a hell of a lot more with less available equipment than they're doing today with more technologically-advanced equipment. (And are there more than 5 fonts in the chyron at CBS? What, no 'Impact' font?)


There are probably more fonts--Rog may not want to use any more than what they've already been using.  After all, it took a long time for them to finally dump the crawl machine and the Ted Cooper slotted plug list board.
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Post by: chris319 on December 03, 2004, 03:54:07 PM
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If Barker's constantly worried about showing his good side, Bart's quickly running out of options.
When you're a horse's patoot you don't have a good side ;-)

Who's "Rog"?
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Post by: uncamark on December 03, 2004, 04:09:51 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 03:54 PM\']Who's "Rog"?
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Dobkowitz?

Or is Chyron fonts totally Bart's decision?
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Post by: ClockGameJohn on December 03, 2004, 05:00:36 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 3 2004, 04:54 PM\']Who's "Rog"?
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Ernest Thomas from What's Happening?!   Err, wait - that was "Raj."  ;-)