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Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: opimus on August 02, 2004, 08:44:54 PM
So far it's not floating my boat.
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Post by: urbanpreppie05 on August 02, 2004, 09:01:07 PM
Couldn't you have at least waited until the show was over?
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Post by: Timsterino on August 02, 2004, 09:02:28 PM
[quote name=\'opimus\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 08:44 PM\'] So far it's not floating my boat. [/quote]
 It floated my boat. I liked it.

Tim :-)
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Post by: Strikerz04 on August 02, 2004, 09:06:43 PM
It was kinda rocky, but the craziness settled in. wasn't half bad.
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Post by: itiparanoid13 on August 02, 2004, 09:13:28 PM
Its a good PAX game.  It would bomb in any other place, but for PAX, it fits.  Its funny and I like the main game.  The bonus is a little iffy to me, but its not bad really.  On a side note, I like the new On The Cover set.  I liked Balderdash, though.  Itll keep me at least from having PAX off of my block list like I usually do.
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Post by: bandit_bobby on August 02, 2004, 09:15:22 PM
A few similarites to the final season of H2. The endgame and its announcer.
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Post by: JerrysFeudinAgain on August 02, 2004, 09:17:44 PM
What was the deal with adding more points after each round?
Give give them 250 points at the start and just end it!
The end game needs improvement as well.
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 02, 2004, 09:21:06 PM
I didn't catch too much, but I *did* see the endgame...Whew meets Just Men meets H^2. Mind you, it's not a bad thing, but I just couldn't help but think of Whew.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on August 02, 2004, 09:29:15 PM
Man, I can't see how anyone could NOT think of Whew! after seeing that endgame.
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Post by: MCArroyo1 on August 02, 2004, 10:05:46 PM
Eh.  The endgame is the last thing that needs improvement; I thought it was well executed.

IMO Elaine Boosler had a tough time staying in control of the show.  I also think that the set and theme music need to be destroyed.
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Post by: JerrysFeudinAgain on August 02, 2004, 10:36:49 PM
I just didn't like the chances for an main prize win. At least make the prize better.(I know there PAX but still.)
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Post by: inturnaround on August 02, 2004, 10:43:12 PM
[quote name=\'JerrysFeudinAgain\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 09:17 PM\'] What was the deal with adding more points after each round?
Give give them 250 points at the start and just end it!
The end game needs improvement as well. [/quote]
 Why give them more points? Because if someone foolishly wagers almost all of their initial nut and loses it, the show would be very boring. Adding more points makes almost every round competitive.

Yes, the endgame need work, but it's not something that's completely worthless. I think the basic idea is salvageable.
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Post by: Pyramid80 on August 02, 2004, 11:01:51 PM
I thought it was a pretty decent show.  It is something that I definitely wouldn't mind watching.  Besides this is the first show who knows what else is in store.  Maybe some changes were made later in the production run to make the show better.  IMO, Elaine did a fine job hosting.
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Post by: MikeK on August 02, 2004, 11:05:32 PM
[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 10:43 PM\'] Why give them more points? Because if someone foolishly wagers almost all of their initial nut and loses it, the show would be very boring. Adding more points makes almost every round competitive. [/quote]
 But whose fault is it if someone blows their wad on the first question?  If the rules stated that the players are staked just to their original 250 points, you wouldn't see people risk 3/4 of their stack on a 1-in-3 guess on the first question.
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Post by: whewfan on August 02, 2004, 11:39:06 PM
Here's my take:

The format: The format is a solid one, a mix of Wordplay and Hollywood Squares.
I also like the wagering format, and I do think adding the 250 just makes it more interesting.

The set: Pretty decent set. I like the Balderdash sign.

Elaine Boosler: Elaine interacts well with the celebs, and she moves the game along pretty well, all things considering. Yes, her comic material needs polishing, and she did have some odd moments, but overall she did a little better than I expected. Maybe we'll see an improvement as the series moves along.

The celebs: Hopefully we'll see some larger names, but I thought the celebs kept in line and didn't try to dominate or get in the way the game. However, if we got Judy Tenuta, Andy Dick and Fran Drescher in the same room, then we've got major problems

The bonus round: The consensus continues. Yep, it's Whew! revisited, but the Balderdash clues aren't as clever or funny as Whew!

The music: Here's where we lose points. I don't like the music sting played while the contestants lock in a wager, nor the music while the correct answer is being revealed.

Overall: Looking at the show as an average viewer, yes, I think it would be enjoyable enough, if I didn't know of the elements borrowed from other games.
I think we should give the game a couple weeks, but on a scale of 1-10, I give Balderdash....

A SIX. Above average, and for a PAX show, it's decent enough.
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Post by: cacLA8383 on August 03, 2004, 12:37:56 AM
Well, some of ya liked it and that's cool, but my take on Balderdash?

I've gotten better sleep after about 10 minutes of it. (goes to TTD90 room now....)
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Post by: brianhenke on August 03, 2004, 12:44:34 AM
I thought that the endgame needed some work as well.  If someone got all 10 answers right, there would be a 1-in-10 chance of winning the grand prize (which was not a trip to the Newport Beach Film Festival).

    Brian

    100 plus 100 equals 600?

    We want some more pro wrestling (STILL) and NASCAR questions (and tonight's episode of Raw featured a WWE highlight sponsored by Wrangler Jeans - and Dale Earnhardt Jr. was in it!)
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Post by: BrandonFG on August 03, 2004, 01:21:04 AM
[quote name=\'brianhenke\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 11:44 PM\'] I thought that the endgame needed some work as well.  If someone got all 10 answers right, there would be a 1-in-10 chance of winning the grand prize (which was not a trip to the Newport Beach Film Festival).
 [/quote]
I'm assuming that it would be the same as getting 8 correct answers in the H^2 endgame: an automatic win...and since most of Balderdash's staff came from H^2, I think that's a safe assumption.

BTW, I kind of like the idea of the consolation gift certificate from Brookstone (nice store). Anyone catch the amount of the certificate, if it was mentioned?
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Post by: jrjgames on August 03, 2004, 01:36:08 AM
Ok my 2 cents...man you people are gonna smoke me IF I ever get on tv! :)

Here-goes

#1 Her 1st 3 jokes out of the box BOMB...not good

#2 Wordplay meets Liar's Club...but then again this is how the board game is played, so Ill give em that

#3 Eric is like 60 anyone kinda amazed how much they were falling all over him?! Or in Pax years is he a hunk?!

#4 Im sorry....did ANYONE NOTICE THE BONUS GAME WAS WHEW!!!!!??? Correct the blooper...they even UNDERLINED IT! WOW! Im calling Burt Sugarman! ;)

All in all good try, again these "comedy" game shows are tough to do, more often than not its not funny its corny.  Gimme the days when the FUNNY didnt come from the format it came from the spontaneity of the participants!  Sorry but call me old fashion!

John
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 03, 2004, 02:15:03 AM
[quote name=\'jrjgames\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 12:36 AM\'] #1 Her 1st 3 jokes out of the box BOMB...not good

 [/quote]
 Which is when I shut the television off.  Apparently she didn't realize she wasn't the center of attention.
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Post by: gsnstooge on August 03, 2004, 09:39:17 AM
I didn't realize at first that John Moschitta was the announcer, he sounds less tired than he did on Hollywood Squares.  The bonus round, for those of you who think the prizes are cheap, what do you suppose a celebrity can answer a question by his or her ownself for?  Not that I am bashing anybody.
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Post by: inturnaround on August 03, 2004, 09:58:30 AM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 11:05 PM\'] But whose fault is it if someone blows their wad on the first question?  If the rules stated that the players are staked just to their original 250 points, you wouldn't see people risk 3/4 of their stack on a 1-in-3 guess on the first question. [/quote]
 Sure it's the fault of the player, but after the wager, it makes for bad TV if the score is 750 to 0 after the first round.

Yes, Elayne's first jokes were bombs, but she moved on very quickly from them.

One wonders why this episode was picked to air first. It was quite obviously not the first one they taped.  

The FedEx Guy/Blurr was good as announcer.

The wager music is kind of annoying, but it only lasts 5 seconds. God help me I found myself liking it after the third time.

So, how is one really supposed to know if something is Balderdash or if it's the truth? Do the celebs come up with the stories? Unless you actually heard the story before, it's all a crapshoot, isn't it?

For some reason, I thought a cool endgame would have been a definition game with Elayne reading a definition to a word and the contestant saying True or Balderdash. Yesterday's contestant obviously didn't get the memo about wild guesses not helping her. Eric Roberts didn't get to try to save too many of her answers (not that I'm sure he knew the answers, but still...)
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Post by: The Ol' Guy on August 03, 2004, 10:45:07 AM
Pardon the late addition - home computer is acting up -

It wasn't that bad. We expected a Wordplay clone and got it. Pardon the echoes of previous posters - when Elayne gets over first week jitters and remembers she doesn't have to carry the show, she'll be fine. Be a host first, then a stand-up. It kept that promised retro feel. And yeah, the misfit end game was bogus. If you're going to copy someone else's game - why not the classic Card Sharks bonus? Give a contestant two topics - like "The Wizard Of Oz" and "President Bill Clinton". Have seven statements ready for the topic of your choice. Start the contestant off with 100 points - let them wager an amount on each statement -one at a time - as to whether it's truth or balderdash. Maybe even let the celebs read the statements. At the end of the 7th statement, players can win a prize at a value corresponding to the final point total. I'm sure some of you have other ideas...but I agree with you that the main game and end game should have some linkage. Overall, not bad. Glad to see an in-studio project again, and I hope it does well.
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Post by: Clay Zambo on August 03, 2004, 10:59:19 AM
[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 09:45 AM\'] Be a host first, then a stand-up. [/quote]
 Too true.  But, in fact, "uh-oh"-ed on Elaine's intro.  "First bad sign," I said to my wife, "She's a host, not a star."  'Course, upon further reflection, it occurs to me that somebody at PAX probably got into a debate with the producers over whether she was "host" or "hostess" and decided that "star" was gender-neutral, if inaccurate.

Quote
If you're going to copy someone else's game - why not the classic Card Sharks bonus?

Que?  I thought the Card Sharks bonus was calling "Higher" or "Lower."

Agreed, though, it's wonderful to see an in-studio game.  Wonder if it'll get pulled after a week for a set-tweak...
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Post by: Pyramid80 on August 03, 2004, 11:06:34 AM
[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 08:58 AM\'] So, how is one really supposed to know if something is Balderdash or if it's the truth? Do the celebs come up with the stories? Unless you actually heard the story before, it's all a crapshoot, isn't it? [/quote]
 We'll when playing the board game you are given words that you more than likely have never heard of.  So hearing celebrities tell these stories and trying to pick the legit one is a stab in the dark just like the board game, so I don't see a problem there.
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Post by: The Ol' Guy on August 03, 2004, 11:50:50 AM
...the Card Sharks thought was just the idea of going from one fact to another and wagering, just like going from one card to another. Both call for a 50-50 decision to be made on the spot and payoff can depend how gutsy a bettor you are. Just borrowing the mechanics vs. unique play.

"Wizard of Oz" is your choice. Here's 100 points - first statement, Mr. Pardo.
"Gene Kelly was the first choice for playing the Tin Woodman."
(player) - "80 points - that's balderdash."
"Correct! Buddy Ebsen. Next - (female celeb's name from last night"
"Every little person played only one Munchkin character."
(player) - I'll go 160 it's truth."
"Wrong! Some played double roles. Mr. Roberts..."

etc, etc.... Also like the H2 end game. Combine true and false statements with wagering, as you do in the front game.
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Post by: Neumms on August 03, 2004, 02:24:18 PM
[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 10:50 AM\'] ...the Card Sharks thought was just the idea of going from one fact to another and wagering, just like going from one card to another. Both call for a 50-50 decision to be made on the spot and payoff can depend how gutsy a bettor you are. Just borrowing the mechanics vs. unique play.

"Wizard of Oz" is your choice. Here's 100 points - first statement, Mr. Pardo.
"Gene Kelly was the first choice for playing the Tin Woodman."
(player) - "80 points - that's balderdash."
"Correct! Buddy Ebsen. Next - (female celeb's name from last night"
"Every little person played only one Munchkin character."
(player) - I'll go 160 it's truth."
"Wrong! Some played double roles. Mr. Roberts..."

etc, etc.... Also like the H2 end game. Combine true and false statements with wagering, as you do in the front game. [/quote]
 I like that idea. (I got what you meant before.) I've long thought some trivia variant of Money Cards would be a good game on its own.

Another way to do it is to hand the player $500, then let them bet what they want on a truth/balderdash statement from each panelist. Double it three times and the best you could do is $4000--that shouldn't break 'em.
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Post by: alfonzos on August 03, 2004, 04:42:00 PM
Decent game. I found myself playing along. It was derivative but so what?
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Post by: PeterMarshallFan on August 03, 2004, 04:47:21 PM
I enjoyed it.
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Post by: uncamark on August 03, 2004, 05:19:10 PM
Wasn't bad.  Wasn't great, but a pleasant half-hour.

Thankfully, Elayne finally identified Tammy Lynn's claim to fame--haven't watched "Last Comic Standing" this year.

At least Elayne recovered from the bad reception to her opening, like anyone who's been doing stand-up for as long as she has.  Once she settles in she'll be really good--she's a quick ad libber and can mix it up with the panelists.

I'll check up on it every so often.
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Post by: inturnaround on August 03, 2004, 06:37:18 PM
[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 11:50 AM\'] etc, etc.... Also like the H2 end game. Combine true and false statements with wagering, as you do in the front game. [/quote]
 I like that a lot, but they should be made to wager before getting the question to make it more interesting (or else I read your post wrong).
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Post by: The Ol' Guy on August 03, 2004, 07:14:38 PM
...yeah..I could see that. The category is the same. A pre-statement bet may add more drama by putting the bettor under more pressure to be right. Could work either way. The bet-then-fact version would work for those who are more high-score conscious. The fact-then-bet gives a person a chance to protect their nest egg if they're not sure with a soft bet. I still lean toward #2 - I'd rather know what I'm risking my money on.
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Post by: J.R. on August 03, 2004, 09:27:33 PM
Anyone noticing the past two epsisodes have featured two game show hosts ? Jimmy Pardo of "Funny Money" fame and Regan Burns of "Oblivious" fame.

Maybe they'll have Mark L. Walburg over to promote "On The Cover" ?
-Joe R.
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Post by: chris319 on August 03, 2004, 10:57:39 PM
Interesting business strategy: take a Goodson format which Fremantle has probably forgotten they own and "emulate" it. Balderdash may be based on a board game but which came first, the board game or Call My Bluff?

Here's one they could do: two teams each consisting of three civilians and one celebrity captain. A question is posed and the celebrity predicts how each civilian has responded. Call it "Telepathy".
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Post by: J.R. on August 03, 2004, 11:45:40 PM
This is a suggestion of how they could do it.

I'd keep the rules the same except for starters. Both players start with $100. 2nd round, both players are given $200 additional and in the last round, the players are given $300 additional. Whoever has the most money at the end of the game keeps the dough.

In the bonus round, if you can't find the trip. $100 for every correct answer. That shouldn't hurt PAX too much, would it ?

-Joe R.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 04, 2004, 12:33:41 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 09:57 PM\']

Here's one they could do: two teams each consisting of three civilians and one celebrity captain. A question is posed and the celebrity predicts how each civilian has responded. Call it "Telepathy". [/quote]
 I was gonna save this for the pitch session but I have come up with the perfect format and just by hearing the title you know it will work: "Guess My Job."
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Post by: MikeK on August 04, 2004, 12:50:46 AM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 10:57 PM\'] Here's one they could do: two teams each consisting of three civilians and one celebrity captain. A question is posed and the celebrity predicts how each civilian has responded. Call it "Telepathy". [/quote]
 Excellent idea.  Can you come up with some questions for this show? :-)
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Post by: SplitSecond on August 04, 2004, 04:48:08 AM
An interesting tidbit from alt.tv.game-shows, 8 years ago:

http://tinyurl.com/6wfn4 (http://\"http://tinyurl.com/6wfn4\")

Scroll down to the sentence on "Whew!"
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Post by: uncamark on August 04, 2004, 12:36:58 PM
[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 09:57 PM\']Interesting business strategy: take a Goodson format which Fremantle has probably forgotten they own and "emulate" it. Balderdash may be based on a board game but which came first, the board game or Call My Bluff?[/quote]
"Call My Buff"--but I thought one of the Brits said that Goodson sold the show lock, stock and barrel to the BBC.  That doesn't mean that BBC Worldwide couldn't license it to an American producer.
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Post by: inturnaround on August 04, 2004, 12:57:44 PM
[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 04:48 AM\']
Scroll down to the sentence on "Whew!" [/quote]
Wow, good catch, man. TK apparently loves Balderdash. It is a fun game to play at home, isn't it? I'm going to have to pick up a new copy someday, probably when Toys R Us has their next board game sale.

But him mentioning Whew! is downright scary, man.
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 04, 2004, 01:36:46 PM
TK refers to Tom Kennedy.  The observation was made by Curt Alliaume.
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Post by: chris319 on August 04, 2004, 03:03:04 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 09:36 AM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 09:57 PM\']Interesting business strategy: take a Goodson format which Fremantle has probably forgotten they own and "emulate" it. Balderdash may be based on a board game but which came first, the board game or Call My Bluff?[/quote]
"Call My Buff"--but I thought one of the Brits said that Goodson sold the show lock, stock and barrel to the BBC.  That doesn't mean that BBC Worldwide couldn't license it to an American producer. [/quote]
 I'm not aware of any formats Goodson sold outright. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, though.
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Post by: TimK2003 on August 04, 2004, 04:18:37 PM
Anybody know what came out first?


The Balderdash board game or the Canadian game show "Baloney", which also played a lot like the TV version of Balderdash.
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Post by: Don Howard on August 04, 2004, 04:24:48 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 11:50 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 3 2004, 10:57 PM\'] Here's one they could do: two teams each consisting of three civilians and one celebrity captain. A question is posed and the celebrity predicts how each civilian has responded. Call it "Telepathy". [/quote]
Excellent idea.  Can you come up with some questions for this show? :-) [/quote]
 Are you bigger than a bread box?
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Post by: MikeK on August 04, 2004, 04:53:57 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 04:18 PM\'] Anybody know what came out first?

The Balderdash board game or the Canadian game show "Baloney", which also played a lot like the TV version of Balderdash. [/quote]
 Baloney ran in summer of 1988.  I'm quite sure Balderdash was created before then.
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Post by: zachhoran on August 04, 2004, 07:36:30 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 03:53 PM\'] [quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 04:18 PM\'] Anybody know what came out first?

The Balderdash board game or the Canadian game show "Baloney", which also played a lot like the TV version of Balderdash. [/quote]
Baloney ran in summer of 1988.  I'm quite sure Balderdash was created before then. [/quote]
 Balderdash was rolled out nationally c. 1987 or 1988, as I recall both Games Magazine doing a review of it and John Ratzenberger(AKA Cheers J! contestant Cliff Clavin) doing ads for it.
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Post by: MSTieScott on August 04, 2004, 10:30:36 PM
Nobody pointed out the coolest thing on the show -- the way the cards pop out of the host's desk to tell her the category and question.

My overall opinion is "Ehh..." Nothing offensive (offensive in the "crappy game show" sense), but nothing to hook me, either. Watching comedians try to steal the spotlight while reading pre-written paragraphs of answers isn't all that appealing (I got distracted watching them constantly looking down to see what their answer was). I've never played the home game, but I would assume that part of the fun of that is that you have to make up your own lies on the spot. Obviously, nothing has been made up on the spot for this show. Thinking out loud: All three celebrities are shown the correct answer, two are secretly told to say balderdash, those two think on their feet to come up with a plausible answer, the contestants have to predict who's telling the truth. I think it'd be more fun to watch that way.

I like that the contestants can choose whether they predict who's telling the truth or who's lying, along with the different payouts. Giving a category seems nearly pointless, though -- the stories are always so weird, even somebody who knows a good deal about a subject probably won't know the correct answer.

I like that points are added in each round to keep things interesting, but could still result in a runaway game if one player really dominates. Are contestants given pencil and paper to figure out their final wagers? With the whole 2:1 payoff in the final round, it takes a little more mental math than I suspect the average contestant can perform.

I like the bonus round, even if it has nothing to do with the main game. Just think of it as a trivia challenge.

I don't mind a public service announcement at the end, but maybe the person who decided to include that should have picked a cause that wasn't already being championed by a famous game show host on a network show.

Overall: The game itself offers playalong, but the fact that the celebrities are only there to read statements prepared by the show's writers (tell me that's not how it works) takes away most of the fun. Heck, anybody could be reading those choices, and I'd find the show equally engaging. I'll won't be watching regularly, but I'll still watch more episodes of this than I watched of Pyramid.

--
Scott Robinson
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Post by: adamjk on August 04, 2004, 11:09:24 PM
Saw it Tuesday. My thoughts:

Elaine was a decent host, and the celebs weren't bad. My big complaint, is that the gameplay moves WAY too slow. 4 questions in the entire game. Come on!

Bonus game was neat, just like Whew. On thing though I would change is make it more suspenseful. By that I mean, have some loser letters too. I would have 4 small prize letters, 4 lose letters, and 2 big prize letters. Makes it more suspenseful this way.

BTW, did that sign sorta remind anyone of the old scrabble sign?
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Post by: TLEberle on August 05, 2004, 01:46:27 AM
So, if you pick a 'LOSER' letter, you win NOTHING, just like the person who lost the game?
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Post by: Timsterino on August 05, 2004, 01:53:41 AM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 01:46 AM\'] So, if you pick a 'LOSER' letter, you win NOTHING, just like the person who lost the game? [/quote]
 No. Behind all of the letters except one is a consolation prize. On Monday it was a Brookstone Gift Certificate and on Wednesday it was Croton Watches.

Behind one of the letters is the trip. There are no "loser" letters.

Tim :-)
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Post by: clemon79 on August 05, 2004, 03:47:37 AM
[quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 10:53 PM\'] Behind one of the letters is the trip. There are no "loser" letters.
 [/quote]
 He's not talking about the actual game, he's taliking about Adam's hypothetical "improvement"...
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Post by: TLEberle on August 05, 2004, 07:46:27 AM
Thanks for clarifying, Chris; I was referring to Adam's idea, which I suspect is change for the sake of change, because I can't figure out how it makes the show better.  I think the bonus game is fine just as is, and just may be the best part of the show.

By the way, for anyone interested, the absolute minimum score you need for a lock game going into round four is 6,001 points, and that's assuming your opponent was dumb enough to blow the wad and miss last time out.  (5,001 points, plus the stipend, to clarify.)  I doubt that we'll see many lock games, but the possibility exists that a player could score 11,250 by the end of round three, if my math is right
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Post by: zachhoran on August 05, 2004, 07:48:34 AM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 06:46 AM\']
By the way, for anyone interested, the absolute minimum score you need for a lock game going into round four is 6,001 points, and that's assuming your opponent was dumb enough to blow the wad and miss last time out.  (5,001 points, plus the stipend, to clarify.)  I doubt that we'll see many lock games, but the possibility exists that a player could score 11,250 by the end of round three, if my math is right [/quote]
 ONe would have to have a six-to-one lead over their opponent going into the last round to insure a win(once the 1000 additional wagering points are added)
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Post by: The Ol' Guy on August 05, 2004, 10:26:05 AM
Gotta agree with a copule of the crew - the PAX originals I've seen more than once have two key problems - less-than-attractive prizes, and very little game play. When I watch Beat The Clock and Balderdash, the game play seems like slight intermissions between prolonged commercial breaks. Wish they would play more game and run fewer commercials. Raise the ad rates, guys!
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: GS Warehouse on August 05, 2004, 10:55:52 AM
[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 10:26 AM\'] ... the game play seems like slight intermissions between prolonged commercial breaks. Wish they would play more game and run fewer commercials. ... [/quote]
 Welcome to the future of TV.  $oon, all $how$ on every channel will be ju$t like thi$.  (Thirty minute$ of commerical$ per half hour make$ almo$t three time$ a$ much money then the 11 minute$ of commercial$ and fee plug$ on Jeopardy! nowaday$.)
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: adamjk on August 05, 2004, 11:51:08 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 02:47 AM\'] [quote name=\'Timsterino\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 10:53 PM\'] Behind one of the letters is the trip. There are no "loser" letters.
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He's not talking about the actual game, he's taliking about Adam's hypothetical "improvement"... [/quote]
 Okay, well what if they did this, Keep the setup I mentioned before, and give them $100 for each correct answer given in the 45 seconds. This way, they are basically guaranteeed to win something.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: TLEberle on August 05, 2004, 12:04:44 PM
But, Adam, they ARE guaranteed something, either the consolation prize, or the grand prize.  And remember, prizes are chaper for the Production company to supply than cash from the budget.

And, Zach, thank you for basically rehashing what I had said earlier about the point structure, and contributing nothing new to the topic at hand.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: adamjk on August 05, 2004, 12:05:10 PM
Good point
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: clemon79 on August 05, 2004, 12:24:31 PM
[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 08:51 AM\'] Okay, well what if they did this, Keep the setup I mentioned before, and give them $100 for each correct answer given in the 45 seconds. This way, they are basically guaranteeed to win something. [/quote]
 I'd buy into it if you had nothing other than "loser" and the single "Grand Prize" square, but I'm not sold on the concept of primary, secondary, and none at all.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: bricon on August 05, 2004, 02:38:31 PM
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Are contestants given pencil and paper to figure out their final wagers? With the whole 2:1 payoff in the final round, it takes a little more mental math than I suspect the average contestant can perform.

Yes, they are given calculators by the contestant staff during the commercial break.


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I don't mind a public service announcement at the end, but maybe the person who decided to include that should have picked a cause that wasn't already being championed by a famous game show host on a network show.

The person who wanted to include that is Elayne herself - she is a long time animal activist who has her own fundraising group for animal rescue, Tails Of Joy.  More information can be found here. (http://\"http://tailsofjoy.net/pages/about.html\")  It will be mentioned specificially by name in the coming weeks.

There will also be some cosmetic changes coming to the set, including a major re-do of the colors and the lighting.  Late September, not sure of the specific week at this point.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: bricon on August 05, 2004, 02:40:10 PM
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Elayne was a decent host, and the celebs weren't bad. My big complaint, is that the gameplay moves WAY too slow. 4 questions in the entire game. Come on!

When runthrus were started, there were two questions in round one.  The show came out way too long, so round one became just the one question.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 05, 2004, 03:12:29 PM
[quote name=\'bricon\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 01:38 PM\'] There will also be some cosmetic changes coming to the set, including a major re-do of the colors and the lighting.  Late September, not sure of the specific week at this point. [/quote]
 Joy.  Leaving the things that need changing untouched, and everything that was fine gets changed.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: Jimmy Owen on August 05, 2004, 03:54:37 PM
It would be nice if they could get Tom Kennedy to guest for a week, since he would be totally familiar with all parts of the show.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: Clay Zambo on August 05, 2004, 04:31:02 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 11:36 AM\'] "Call My Buff" [/quote]
 That'd have to be premium cable, wouldn't it?  And probably late-night at that...
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: uncamark on August 05, 2004, 05:50:31 PM
[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 03:31 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 11:36 AM\'] "Call My Buff" [/quote]
That'd have to be premium cable, wouldn't it?  And probably late-night at that...[/quote]
And yes, I type for a living...  :)
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: GS Warehouse on August 05, 2004, 06:55:26 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 05:50 PM\'] [quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' date=\'Aug 5 2004, 03:31 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 4 2004, 11:36 AM\'] "Call My Buff" [/quote]
That'd have to be premium cable, wouldn't it?  And probably late-night at that...[/quote]
And yes, I type for a living...  :) [/quote]
 I hope your supervisor isn't lurking.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: chris319 on August 05, 2004, 09:46:29 PM
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There will also be some cosmetic changes coming to the set, including a major re-do of the colors and the lighting.
Changing sets worked wonders for Match Game '98.
Title: Balderdash nonspoiler
Post by: gshowguy on August 17, 2004, 04:07:16 PM
[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'Aug 2 2004, 10:39 PM\'] The bonus round: The consensus continues. Yep, it's Whew! revisited, but the Balderdash clues aren't as clever or funny as Whew! [/quote]
 True enough.

For all the kids who forgot what "Whew!" clues were (and I haven't seen it yet, but I hear it's really good, even for just a mere 1 1/4 seasons), here's an example:

"On the Koala Brothers, Frank and Buster have a kangaroo friend who fills their airplane with gasoline. Her name is Tyrone Biggums." The correct answer of course would be "Josie".