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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: AH3RD on April 22, 2004, 05:19:07 PM
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I would like to open a new topic here concerning a rather irritable habit of GSNŽ:
Everyone notice how they completely drown out the game's closing credits (fee plugs and all!) with excessive promos of other games? Once, they just interrupt the credits to show a promo, and then resume the end credits once the promos have finished. Now, for reasons unknown, they've decided to pile on a whole barrage of them!
Please, GSNŽ! One promotion is enough! :-p
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[quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 02:19 PM\'] Please, GSNŽ! One promotion is enough! :-p [/quote]
Why does it matter? It's just the end credits.
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Some of us(myself included) like to listen to the great themes, and hear the announcers voices. Many of them will never be heard again. Those would include Johnny Olson, Gene Wood and Rod Roddy.
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At least they can still keep the fee plugs in full screen for syndicated Match Game on weekends and the Saturday night episodes of Family Feud and still do it. That way the FF and MG fans still given lots of treats to see the fee plugs in full again.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 02:32 PM\'] Some of us(myself included) like to listen to the great themes, and hear the announcers voices. Many of them will never be heard again. Those would include Johnny Olson, Gene Wood and Rod Roddy. [/quote]
That's a good answer. The one I was expecting to here was someone whining about keeping the integrity of the episode pure for their precious tape collection.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 04:32 PM\'] Some of us(myself included) like to listen to the great themes, and hear the announcers voices. Many of them will never be heard again. Those would include Johnny Olson, Gene Wood and Rod Roddy. [/quote]
I agree, especially since I have only had GSN since last May. I haven't heard the MG theme as much as others on this list (heck, I was so desperate for MG that I actually enjoyed the 1998 version, although now I know why the 1970s shows were superior).
John Brocato
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 03:14 PM\'][quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 02:32 PM\'] Some of us(myself included) like to listen to the great themes, and hear the announcers voices. Many of them will never be heard again. Those would include Johnny Olson, Gene Wood and Rod Roddy. [/quote]
That's a good answer. The one I was expecting to here was someone whining about keeping the integrity of the episode pure for their precious tape collection.[/quote]
DAMN IT!! GSN is making me so mad!!!!! I need my game shows in PERFECT quality or I won't watch at all!*
*posted using Sarcas-o-matic version 3.2.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 02:32 PM\'] Some of us(myself included) like to listen to the great themes, and hear the announcers voices. Many of them will never be heard again. Those would include Johnny Olson, Gene Wood and Rod Roddy. [/quote]
Since the announcers had much more to say during the shows' openings than in the closing credits, the "they will never be heard again" argument simply doesn't hold water.
Other forum sites have long pointless threads about this non-issue. Do we really need one here?
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 07:52 PM\'] <rant snipped> [/quote]
Yes, we do.
Something called "sign-offs." If I were an announcer, I'd want people to hear my name at the end of the show.
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Since the announcers had much more to say during the shows' openings than in the closing credits, the "they will never be heard again" argument simply doesn't hold water.
I didn't mean it in that way neccesarily. What I meant was they will never be heard again on an first run show.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 04:22 PM\'] [quote name=\'AH3RD\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 02:19 PM\'] Please, GSNŽ! One promotion is enough! :-p [/quote]
Why does it matter? It's just the end credits. [/quote]
It's just the same handful of people who continue to bash GSN. If you guys can't enjoy it, go watch something else...this argument gets really old, really fast.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 06:52 PM\'] [quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 02:32 PM\'] Some of us(myself included) like to listen to the great themes, and hear the announcers voices. Many of them will never be heard again. Those would include Johnny Olson, Gene Wood and Rod Roddy. [/quote]
Since the announcers had much more to say during the shows' openings than in the closing credits, the "they will never be heard again" argument simply doesn't hold water.
Other forum sites have long pointless threads about this non-issue. Do we really need one here? [/quote]
Mel, did ya ever stop to think that maybe because there are several other threads that seem to care about this "pointless issue", that there are many folks out there who would like to hear their favorite announcer or theme music not be bumped every time in favor of the 4th promo of Kenny vs. Spenny that hour (or, in some cases, 2 or 3 network bumpers)?
I don't necessarily lose sleep over the issue, but it is annoying to see GSN run network ID's just so they can competely fill out end credit space, even though most people should be able to tell what network they're watching with the huge GSN logo in the middle of the split screen.
This is the first time this issue has been brought up here, you don't have to remind us that it has been brought up on other message boards before. If you don't like it, hey, I've got an idea, DON'T READ IT.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 07:52 PM\']Other forum sites have long pointless threads about this non-issue. Do we really need one here?[/quote]
Considering that we actually manage to cover these topics intelligently -- in stark contrast to most of the other forums out there (and before anyone gets offended, I am not talking about Golden-Road.net) -- I see no reason why we can't discuss them here.
I'll tell you what... if you see a topic discussed elsewhere, you are hereby excused from having to talk about it here. I'm sure Matt and Chris will be happy to grant you the appropriate waiver. :-D
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It doesn't bother me. But I always think: "Why don't they just simply cut-out the fee plugs alltogether, whats the diffrence from shrinking the show to a tiny portion"
-Joe R.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 05:22 PM\'] Why does it matter? It's just the end credits. [/quote]
I've always been opposed to so-called generic credits, but GSN is a rare instance where I'd actually lobby for them. Keep the promo screen where it is now, use the right side of the screen for the show up next, maybe a counter saying "starts in 0:15", then the bottom for the credits. They'd actually be more readable this way.
[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 07:56 PM\']If I were an announcer, I'd want people to hear my name at the end of the show.[/quote]
We discussed this credit abuse once before, and we established that there are some people who, so long as they get paid, couldn't care less if their mother saw their names on the credits. If fact, if you worked for something like CS01, would you want anyone to know? If it wasn't for labor unions, credits would be forever deleted altogether.
ObMysteryNames: I was going to ask where Doug Morris got the last name of Tiki, the World Series of Blackjack dealer, but I remembered that one of the finalists happens to come from his hometown. Gee, I wonder who Doug will be rooting for Monday night. :-)
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 07:05 PM\'] ObMysteryNames: I was going to ask where Doug Morris got the last name of Tiki, the World Series of Blackjack dealer, but I remembered that one of the finalists happens to come from his hometown. Gee, I wonder who Doug will be rooting for Monday night. :-) [/quote]
Long as it isn't that asshat in the wildcard chair, I'll be happy. :)
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I'm one of those who's always enjoyed sticking around for closing credits, be it TV shows or movies. I also maintain a tape collection. But while I think it's silly to relegate the credits to a small portion of the screen, I understand why GSN might think it necessary and it doesn't bother or upset me. Rather than get worked up, I tend to shrug my shoulders and move on. Having GSN since Fall 1999, I've always been happy just to get to see (and in some cases tape) some of these shows. Also, considering that at one time GSN put whole episodes in a tiny box, I'll take tiny credits any day rather than a return to Win-TV broadcasts.
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 06:17 PM\'] This is the first time this issue has been brought up here, you don't have to remind us that it has been brought up on other message boards before. [/quote]
Apparently, I do. I will also remind you that on those other boards, it's always the same few people, whipping each other into the same frenzy. "I wrote the following letter to GSN," one will say. And the other lemmings say "Well done, I know they will listen to you." And nothing ever happens.
Good Gravy Marie, I've actually gotten to the point where I enjoy seeing the credits crunched and muted - just because I know how it irks some people. How pathetic is that?
And again - the announcers and themes are heard in the opening credits. Usually more so than at the end credits. Seems to me that local stations used to do a voice-over over the end credits quite often anyway.
If you don't like it, hey, I've got an idea, DON'T READ IT.
So you're entitled to your opinion but I'm not entitled to mine? No, no... it doesn't work that way.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 09:59 PM\'] So you're entitled to your opinion but I'm not entitled to mine? No, no... it doesn't work that way. [/quote]
My point is just because you see it posted on another board, doesn't mean no one's allowed to mention it here. Not everyone reads all the boards, but in your case, I guess you do. Hey, I've got another idea, why don't you start your own board? That way, you can lock posts that bring up topics (that you disagree with) are on other boards! Which would probably mean you'd have nothing to talk about.
Tyshaun
(P.S. I KNOW the split screens aren't going to end anytime soon. That doesn't mean everyone's going to like it.)
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With the split screen going away, it's gonna take years or even decades to stop doing the split screening but they'll still reduce the split screen ad time but they'll keep doing the split screen.
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 08:36 PM\'] With the split screen going away, it's gonna take years or even decades to stop doing the split screening but they'll still reduce the split screen ad time but they'll keep doing the split screen. [/quote]
Wow.
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I've got an idea to have a triple screen with the closing credits of the previous show, promo in the middle and the opening credits of the next show at the same time.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 11:12 PM\'] I've got an idea to have a triple screen with the closing credits of the previous show, promo in the middle and the opening credits of the next show at the same time. [/quote]
Don't give them ideas. LOL
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... But I always think: "Why don't they just simply cut-out the fee plugs alltogether, whats the diffrence from shrinking the show to a tiny portion"
Exactly.
Don't get me wrong, I love the closing credits for all the reasons that everybody else does, but since the section of the screen that houses the end-credits has been scrunched down to an un-noticeable, un-readable size, and the entire end-credits segment has now been split screened completely, I say it's unfortunately the time to put an end all end-credits on the now defunct Game Show Network for good.
And for the fans of GSN which are completely disgusted by the previous remark Ive made, I will say this: Might as well take the death-blow all at once than take it in small increments. GSN will never revert to the old, non-split screened days (unfortunately).
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 11:36 PM\'] With the split screen going away, it's gonna take years or even decades to stop doing the split screening but they'll still reduce the split screen ad time but they'll keep doing the split screen. [/quote]
April Fool's Day was three weeks ago.
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 10:36 PM\'] With the split screen going away, it's gonna take years or even decades to stop doing the split screening but they'll still reduce the split screen ad time but they'll keep doing the split screen. [/quote]
What language is this in?
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Apr 22 2004, 11:36 PM\'] With the split screen going away, it's gonna take years or even decades to stop doing the split screening but they'll still reduce the split screen ad time but they'll keep doing the split screen. [/quote]
Any Irismasonese to English translators around?
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I love the closing credits for all the reasons that everybody else does, but since the section of the screen that houses the end-credits has been scrunched down to an un-noticeable, un-readable size, and the entire end-credits segment has now been split screened completely, I say it's unfortunately the time to put an end all end-credits on the now defunct Game Show Network for good.
I think one of the reasons it bugs me so much is that it's part of the show, just as the opening is part of the show. If they cut it off completely, in reality they're cutting off part of the show. How would you feel if one day they just skipped the opening and started right from when the host was introduced?
I know, I know - GSN's there to make money and all - but I hate the fact they have to cut off part of the show to do it. But I guess they're no different from any other cable network. TVLand, for instance, airs edited versions of most of their sitcoms, because in the '60s there were fewer commercials and they have to cut out parts of the show to meet today's commercial demands.
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I say if they really want to do promos, do those promos in the background, and leave the closing credits, themes, and Monty Hall's deals at the end of LMAD alone.
Speaking of announcers, many people DO want to know who those announcers are. Some will be saying "Where have I heard this person before?" or "Is this who I think it is?"
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How would you feel if one day they just skipped the opening and started right from when the host was introduced?
It'd look like an episode of Knockout. :-) (The show had no true opening...it began w/a ECU of Arte making an ad-libbed comment, pausing, then segueing into the announcer's contestant intros).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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I say if they really want to do promos, do those promos in the background, and leave the closing credits, themes, and Monty Hall's deals at the end of LMAD alone.
And they should do this, why?
Speaking of announcers, many people DO want to know who those announcers are. Some will be saying "Where have I heard this person before?" or "Is this who I think it is?"
"Many people" doesn't equate to 40 posters on a game show board.
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I don't care what anyone says. GSN has gone too far with these split-screen credits. I mean, showing promos during the credits is one thing, but showing GSN bumpers during the credits just so they can keep the split-screen on the whole time (right down to the closing logo) is absolutely ridiculous. I actually don't care that much about the fee plugs...in fact, I think that's when they SHOULD show the splitscreen ads, so that when the actually credits come on we can hear the theme music and the announcer signoff, and see what goes on during the sets during the closing. I agree with Ian that these are a part of the show...they help to lend these classic shows their charm. It's just not the same when the credits are squished in a little box like this.
If you want to flame me for this opinion, go ahead, but I stand by it. I want my closing credits!
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[quote name=\'FeudDude\' date=\'Apr 26 2004, 07:10 AM\'] If you want to flame me for this opinion, go ahead, but I stand by it. I want my closing credits! [/quote]
I won't flame you for this, you have a right to an opinion, but by saying this even after everything has been said you indicate that you don't have a damn clue about how this business works.
Now, if you're fine with that, great.
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Why would anybody watch the end of these shows, anyway? I'm off to other channels looking for something else. Old fee plugs or new GSN promos, makes no difference to me.