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Title: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on May 24, 2023, 11:45:55 PM
This is kind of a takeoff on the thread claiming a B&E show counted a contestant’s answer wrong for appending a “The”.
Have you seen a show provide an actual incorrect answer?  I came across one this afternoon on my lunch break:
https://youtu.be/NRCQ3umMCOQ#t13m54s

The question is referencing an incident in the 1979 Daytona 500.  A contestant answered “Stock car racing” and was ruled wrong, while a contestant answering “Indianapolis Car Racing” (to laughter) was given credit.  I did not see any kind of correction made.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: JasonA1 on May 25, 2023, 12:13:26 AM
Countless. Millionaire's incidents in the Regis run were well noted, given the visibility of the show at the time. We can't forget Million Dollar Money Drop (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/game-show-lawsuit-contestants-million-dollar-money-drop-374210/). Tom Kennedy said in an interview with David Hammett (http://illustriousgameshowpage.com/tomconversation.html) that 50 Grand Slam had the composer of "Silk Stockings" absolutely wrong -- made worse by the fact I learned years later that it was on a $50,000 round (and win).

-Jason
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Casey on May 25, 2023, 07:32:48 AM
It happened with regularity on Monty Hall's Split Second...  One I remember involved lyrics to a Christmas song.  The contestant who was #3 for the question had to provide lyrics and was ruled wrong, only for the other two contestants to tell Monty she was right.  The "correct" lyrics were not the familiar lyrics - Monty accepted her answer after the other contestants protested.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Chief-O on May 25, 2023, 10:09:09 AM
It happened with regularity on Monty Hall's Split Second...  One I remember involved lyrics to a Christmas song.  The contestant who was #3 for the question had to provide lyrics and was ruled wrong, only for the other two contestants to tell Monty she was right.  The "correct" lyrics were not the familiar lyrics - Monty accepted her answer after the other contestants protested.

I've seen 2 other examples from Hall SS on the YouTubes: Neither the contestants nor the show knew which state Tommy Thompson governed (he's one of Wisconsin's longest-serving governors), and the show had thought Lada automobiles came from the Netherlands (and they ruled the contestant wrong!).

https://youtu.be/oiFvbHBxlBo?t=656

https://youtu.be/PXa6zvO9Uho?t=695

/in fact there's been a thread on this already (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31840.msg377677.html)
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Blanquepage on May 25, 2023, 11:13:35 PM
Tom Kennedy said in an interview with David Hammett (http://illustriousgameshowpage.com/tomconversation.html) that 50 Grand Slam had the composer of "Silk Stockings" absolutely wrong -- made worse by the fact I learned years later that it was on a $50,000 round (and win).

-Jason
Oh gosh, it was sloppy. The episode actually exists and I was lucky (for notable game show history's sake) enough to screen it; the champ Stanley gave the correct answer of Cole Porter, and Tom said "no, it was Irving Berlin."
At the end of the champ's round of questions, he's escorted out of the booth, there's an awkward cut to Tom explaining that the answer was "double checked"
and confirmed to be Cole Porter. I suppose in theory the first $50K win could have been worse, but that was some shoddy stuff.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: RMF on May 25, 2023, 11:43:22 PM
Tom Kennedy said in an interview with David Hammett (http://illustriousgameshowpage.com/tomconversation.html) that 50 Grand Slam had the composer of "Silk Stockings" absolutely wrong -- made worse by the fact I learned years later that it was on a $50,000 round (and win).

-Jason
Oh gosh, it was sloppy. The episode actually exists and I was lucky (for notable game show history's sake) enough to screen it; the champ Stanley gave the correct answer of Cole Porter, and Tom said "no, it was Irving Berlin."
At the end of the champ's round of questions, he's escorted out of the booth, there's an awkward cut to Tom explaining that the answer was "double checked"
and confirmed to be Cole Porter. I suppose in theory the first $50K win could have been worse, but that was some shoddy stuff.

Oh, dear, it does exist- and that fact that Silk Stockings was by no means obscure at that point at time (compounded by Stanley Green's status as the doyen of musical theatre scholars of the period) seems to just compound the situation.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: chris319 on May 28, 2023, 06:17:34 PM
Howard Felsher made a grievous error which screwed a contestant on P+. The answer given by the contestant was not the one I had researched and not the one in the show's "script" and not the one on the on-set graphic. Howard was in a hurry to finish the puzzle and go to commercial and made a very bad call.

Ironically, the puzzle was "cable cars" and the contestant guessed "trolley cars". They knew I went to college in San Francisco and I was confident of the answer, but they never consulted me about it. A few weeks after the taping a letter arrived from the aggrieved contestant stating that cable cars and trolley cars are not the same thing. She was right, but I don't think big machers Howard and Bobby ever did anything about it. They never brought that contestant back. I kept my mouth shut the entire time. If you knew Howard and Bobby you'd understand why I didn't want to take them to task. So Howard, why are you paying me to research the puzzles if you're not going to stick to my research? I could have challenged Howard during that commercial but if you knew Howard like I knew Howard ... something about "opening a can of worms".

If anyone has the clues to the "cable car" puzzle, please share and I will look them over again.

All that said, here is the exact language from the P+ bible:

Quote
8.  Best Answer

        Suppose there is a puzzle with the passwords: President, Peanuts, Billy, Teeth, Georgia.  The answer obviously, is Jimmy Carter.  It is conceivable that somebody may indeed exist who is President of a Georgia Peanut butter factory, and has a dog named Billy who has sharp Teeth.  Although the passwords may also happen to describe this other person, Jimmy Carter is the "best answer" to these clues and will be considered the only correct answer.

A cable car moves by means of a moving cable in a slot embedded in the pavement between the two rails. No electrical power is involved.

San Francisco also has many trolley car lines known by the locals simply as streetcars. A single spring-loaded pole extends up from the roof of the streetcar and engages an electrified overhead wire. The streetcar rails ground the vehicle and complete the electrical circuit. The overhead pole is known as a "trolley".

https://www.streetcar.org/wheels-motion/difference/

San Francisco is a compact city. In the 1970's for $11 per month you could buy a "Fast Pass" and get around all over the city on San Francisco's excellent (at the time) municipal transit system.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Matt Ottinger on May 30, 2023, 11:55:56 AM
The most egregious error I can ever remember seeing was a kids show (the one with the great big robot head on stage that you could also buy as a toy) where they got the capital of Spain wrong.  It was around the time of the 1992 Olympics, and the show decided that Barcelona was the capital.  They credited the contestant after the next commercial break, but that's always stuck with me as a weird thing to get wrong.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: JMFabiano on May 30, 2023, 02:28:30 PM
Tic Tac Dough '90....

...when Patrick says, "We made some changes and I know you'll love them!"
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: TLEberle on May 30, 2023, 02:34:49 PM
The most egregious error I can ever remember seeing was a kids show (the one with the great big robot head on stage that you could also buy as a toy) where they got the capital of Spain wrong.  It was around the time of the 1992 Olympics, and the show decided that Barcelona was the capital.  They credited the contestant after the next commercial break, but that's always stuck with me as a weird thing to get wrong.
my very first thought was indeed Pick Your Brain for hearing it come up from time to time.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Kevin Prather on May 30, 2023, 03:07:13 PM
They credited the contestant after the next commercial break, but that's always stuck with me as a weird thing to get wrong.

Yeah, it'd be one thing to get the capital of Nigeria or Brazil wrong because they've changed. Madrid's been the capital of Spain since the 1500s.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: TLEberle on May 30, 2023, 04:48:42 PM
My thinking is that “the capital of Spain” is one of those cast-iron cinch questions where you write Madrid as a muscle reflex and so the question passed through research and found its way into a packet and nobody gives it a second thought until of course it becomes part of the $5,000 race.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Robbo on May 30, 2023, 05:01:29 PM
Along the same lines of getting capitals wrong - I have a memory that Idiot Savants once claimed the capital of Scotland was Glasgow.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: TimK2003 on May 30, 2023, 08:08:55 PM
Tic Tac Dough '90....

...when Patrick says, "We made some changes and I know you'll love them!"

Well you can't say that one without this one:

"As you know, The Joker's Wild is a game of definitions..."  -- P. Finn
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: trainman on June 01, 2023, 01:34:36 AM
Not a game show per se, but I recently watched the "Rock 'n' Roll" episode of "QI," and was disappointed that they repeated the "'OK' came from Martin Van Buren's presidential campaign, referring to 'Old Kinderhook'" canard -- that's been debunked since it was researched in the 1960s. ("OK" originated as part of a late 1830s/early 1840s fad for wacky abbreviations (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-word-ok-was-invented-175-years-ago-180953258/).)
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Mike Tennant on June 03, 2023, 04:17:37 PM
Mark Evanier writes (https://www.newsfromme.com/2023/06/03/sleepy-question-writer/) about a WWTBAM? question that had two possible correct answers. The question: "Which of these medical conditions often causes sufferers to fall asleep suddenly and unexpectedly?" Answers (A) Sleep apnea and (C) Narcolepsy both qualify--Evanier has sleep apnea and speaks from experience--though the "correct" answer, which the contestant gave, was narcolepsy.

It's not strictly "wrong" information, but had the contestant said (A) and been ruled incorrect, he could have made an excellent case for being brought back and allowed to continue on the next level.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: clemon79 on June 05, 2023, 03:57:04 PM
It's not strictly "wrong" information, but had the contestant said (A) and been ruled incorrect, he could have made an excellent case for being brought back and allowed to continue on the next level.

I also have sleep apnea and would absolutely rule that incorrect, because it's not the condition causing that, it's the fact that the condition is causing you to not sleep well and therefore be very tired. If anything sleep apnea makes you *wake up.*

That's no different than suggesting running a triathalon causes you to fall asleep suddenly and unexpectedly.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: clemon79 on June 05, 2023, 04:56:50 PM
San Francisco is a compact city. In the 1970's for $11 per month you could buy a "Fast Pass" and get around all over the city on San Francisco's excellent (at the time) municipal transit system.

Fun fact: A MUNI pass now cost you $81 per month, $98 if you want it to include BART access within SF.

/honestly, if you have Giants or Warriors season tickets, prolly worth it
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: chris319 on June 06, 2023, 05:24:22 AM
A single-ride cash fare on Muni is now $3.00. Was $0.25 in the '70s.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: That Don Guy on June 06, 2023, 07:14:42 PM
Does it count as a "wrong answer" if they didn't realize it was wrong at the time?

The movie Diner had a clip from G.E. College Bowl that had a question along the lines of, "You're on Mercury, on the side facing away from the sun. How long will it take before the sun rises?", and the "correct" answer was, "It won't come up - Mercury keeps the same side away from the sun, the same way the Moon keeps the same side away from Earth." When Mercury was first discovered, this was thought to be correct, before astronomers started noticing that the side that faced away seemed to alternate; I think it's, for every 2 orbits, Mercury revolves 3 times.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Kevin Prather on June 06, 2023, 08:14:46 PM
Does it count as a "wrong answer" if they didn't realize it was wrong at the time?

That reminds me of my favorite reversal from Millionaire.

For $250,000, a player said that silicon expands when it freezes just like water. He was ruled incorrect (the answer they wanted was bismuth.) It turns out that silicon has that property too, but scientists had yet to discover it at that point. After his show already aired, scientists made the discovery, so the show retroactively credited him with a right answer and $250,000.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: SuperMatch93 on June 06, 2023, 08:18:54 PM
Mark Evanier writes (https://www.newsfromme.com/2023/06/03/sleepy-question-writer/) about a WWTBAM? question that had two possible correct answers. The question: "Which of these medical conditions often causes sufferers to fall asleep suddenly and unexpectedly?" Answers (A) Sleep apnea and (C) Narcolepsy both qualify--Evanier has sleep apnea and speaks from experience--though the "correct" answer, which the contestant gave, was narcolepsy.

It's not strictly "wrong" information, but had the contestant said (A) and been ruled incorrect, he could have made an excellent case for being brought back and allowed to continue on the next level.

That sort of reminds me of the zodiac debacle (https://www.upi.com/Archives/2000/05/11/Millionaire-contestants-final-answer-ABC-lawsuit/5448958017600/).
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: JepMasta on June 13, 2023, 03:31:43 PM
I remember the story of a contestant on the Tom Kennedy version of Name That Tune where the $100,000 Mystery Tune was the song “Fugue for Tinhorns” from Guys and Dolls. The contestant answered “Can Do” and was called wrong. But later it was discovered that “Can Do” is indeed an alternate title for the song. The contestant was appropriately brought back on stage sometime later, and presented with their $100,000 prize.

On the list costly but equally incorrect tack, there’s a clip on YouTube, where Tom Kennedy had an ounce, that he had accidentally said, in a clue from bid a note that a song was written by Lerner and Lowe, turns out it was actually written by Lerner and a man named Burton Lane, so the contestant was brought back on a later date.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Otm Shank on June 13, 2023, 03:48:48 PM
I recall a question on Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour posed a question about what had the largest television audience, the moon landing or the final episode of M*A*S*H. I remember thinking that both are valid answers, because Nielsen always stated that the moon landing was news coverage and wasn't a program so they never included that in the list of highest rated television programs. I don't remember exactly how the question was framed, but the answer they were looking for was the moon landing.

My best guess is they felt that it was too technical of a distinction to be a fair question, because the contestant did return.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: BrandonFG on September 05, 2023, 01:06:09 AM
I’m pretty sure Lindsay Wagner played The Bionic Woman, but that’s just me…

(https://i.ibb.co/rGDCQNz/IMG-1959.jpg)
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Nick on September 05, 2023, 09:51:38 AM
I'm sure somebody can find the clip faster than I, but there was one early in the syndie run of Sale of the Century where the answer to the question was Redd Foxx, and the contestant answered "Sanford", in reference to his character on "Sanford and Son".  He was ruled incorrect, with Jim noting they were going for the actor and not the role; but John Elroy Sanford was Red Foxx's real name.  I see no reason why that shouldn't have been accepted.  I don't recall them ever bringing back the contestant.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: GameShowFan on September 05, 2023, 01:17:45 PM
It's not strictly "wrong" information, but had the contestant said (A) and been ruled incorrect, he could have made an excellent case for being brought back and allowed to continue on the next level.

I also have sleep apnea and would absolutely rule that incorrect, because it's not the condition causing that, it's the fact that the condition is causing you to not sleep well and therefore be very tired. If anything sleep apnea makes you *wake up.*

That's no different than suggesting running a triathalon causes you to fall asleep suddenly and unexpectedly.

I second this opinion. It also would not surprise me the researchers found this specific tidbit and included it in the ir proveout.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: BrandonFG on September 05, 2023, 02:35:44 PM
I'm sure somebody can find the clip faster than I, but there was one early in the syndie run of Sale of the Century where the answer to the question was Redd Foxx, and the contestant answered "Sanford", in reference to his character on "Sanford and Son".  He was ruled incorrect, with Jim noting they were going for the actor and not the role; but John Elroy Sanford was Red Foxx's real name.  I see no reason why that shouldn't have been accepted.  I don't recall them ever bringing back the contestant.
I don't disagree, but in 1985 - or even in 2023 - Redd's real name wasn't common knowledge, esp. since we didn't have so much information so easily-accessible. For the contestant to say "Sanford", I think it's pretty clear they were thinking of the character and not the comedian. Your writers room back then prolly had a set of encyclopedias and World Almanacs, and I don't think writers were digging that deep for alternate answers.

ETA: Unless it's a Fame Game where Jim starts off with "I was born John Elroy Sanford in 1922..."
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Nick on September 05, 2023, 03:49:20 PM
I don't disagree, but in 1985 - or even in 2023 - Redd's real name wasn't common knowledge, esp. since we didn't have so much information so easily-accessible. For the contestant to say "Sanford", I think it's pretty clear they were thinking of the character and not the comedian.

True, but it still doesn't change the fact he identified the correct person.  Not like, say, somebody else who could have fit the same bill but wasn't the answer for which they were going.

/"Be that as it may, Alex, those people have never been in my kitchen."
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Mr. Matté on September 05, 2023, 04:09:46 PM
I would think $otC in its rules bible has a clause about the "Best Answer" being the only one acceptable for a regular question. Password Plus had a similar one:

http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31288.0.html (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31288.0.html)
Quote
8.  Best Answer

        Suppose there is a puzzle with the passwords:
President, Peanuts, Billy, Teeth, Georgia.  The answer
obviously, is Jimmy Carter.  It is conceivable that some-
body may indeed exist who is President of a Georgia Peanut
butter factory, and has a dog named Billy who has sharp
Teeth.  Although the passwords may also happen to describe
this other person, Jimmy Carter is the "best answer" to
these clues and will be considered the only correct answer.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Nick on September 05, 2023, 07:50:37 PM
I would think $otC in its rules bible has a clause about the "Best Answer" being the only one acceptable for a regular question. Password Plus had a similar one:

Yes, but I would argue that the "Best Answer" doctrine is not what's at issue here.  In the Password Plus example, this is to say that the definitive answer and not items that coincidentally fit the same category is what will be accepted (in essence, you can't play like a Cliff Clavin and twist the answer to your benefit).  The case I cite is that differing terms identifying the same individual (i.e., birth name versus stage name, the latter of which was also the name of his most memorable character), the contestant did provide an answer that matched to the same specific individual as to what was on Perry's answer card.

I suppose Sale of the Century was never as high-calibre of a trivia quiz as, say, Jeopardy!, but, hey, if your Jeopardy! answer is, "Ed Sullivan said of this actor's 1931 Broadway performance in Nikki that this ‘young lad from England has a big future in the movies’." and contestant questions, "Who is Archibald Leach?" instead of "Who is Cary Grant?", you're not going to rule against him, are you?  I doubt you'd be expecting anybody to answer his birth name either way when, technically speaking, he hadn't adopted the name "Cary Grant" at that point.  Either way, you're referring to the same individual.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: nowhammies10 on September 05, 2023, 08:34:07 PM
Yes, yes, the statue is really called Liberty Enlightening the World. Calling it that on a farkin' game show is just being a smartass. (https://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=7648)
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Nick on September 05, 2023, 09:01:08 PM
Yes, yes, the statue is really called Liberty Enlightening the World. Calling it that on a farkin' game show is just being a smartass. (https://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=7648)

True, but there are YouTube ad dollars to be made from that and post-Jeopardy!-appearance Internet fame to achieve.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on September 05, 2023, 10:01:28 PM
I’m pretty sure Lindsay Wagner played The Bionic Woman, but that’s just me…

(https://i.ibb.co/rGDCQNz/IMG-1959.jpg)
Now see, I was going to ask who Lindsay Olives was.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: JasonA1 on September 06, 2023, 12:21:42 AM
I suppose Sale of the Century was never as high-calibre of a trivia quiz as, say, Jeopardy!, but, hey, if your Jeopardy! answer is, "Ed Sullivan said of this actor's 1931 Broadway performance in Nikki that this ‘young lad from England has a big future in the movies’." and contestant questions, "Who is Archibald Leach?" instead of "Who is Cary Grant?", you're not going to rule against him, are you?  I doubt you'd be expecting anybody to answer his birth name either way when, technically speaking, he hadn't adopted the name "Cary Grant" at that point.  Either way, you're referring to the same individual.

Brandon had the apt reply. Back in $ale's heyday, the chances of the staff going from book to book to investigate possible alternate answers was slim-to-none. (The original Jeopardy! reportedly had no researchers verifying what was written.) If a viewer knew the birthname of Redd Foxx and wrote in, the show would have likely taken some corrective action.

-Jason
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: carlisle96 on September 06, 2023, 12:40:21 PM
This brings up a question about the long-since gone "Hit Man." What happened if a contestant gives a right answer, but that answer wasn't part of the film? Let's say the subject was Secretaries of State and the film talked about Henry Kissinger as Nixon's top diplomat. But Nixon had more than one Sec. of State. The question is "Name Nixon's Secretary of State" and the reply isn't Kissinger. Does the player get credit for a right answer?
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: clemon79 on September 06, 2023, 01:59:48 PM
The question is "Name Nixon's Secretary of State" and the reply isn't Kissinger. Does the player get credit for a right answer?

If the writers of Hit Man were that sloppy, I'd hope 1) the contestant was credited with a right answer and 2) the writer of that question was summarily fired. You pin your questions.

Peter as much as says that he's going to ask you questions about the movie you just saw. If you answer outside of the bounds of the movie on a jump-in quiz just because you can, then you conned some people during the contestant screening because you are clearly a smartass they want nowhere near their game show.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: clemon79 on September 06, 2023, 02:01:27 PM
(The original Jeopardy! reportedly had no researchers verifying what was written.)

But they _did_ have the Encyclopedia International!
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Otm Shank on September 06, 2023, 03:18:39 PM
I'm sure somebody can find the clip faster than I, but there was one early in the syndie run of Sale of the Century where the answer to the question was Redd Foxx, and the contestant answered "Sanford", in reference to his character on "Sanford and Son".  He was ruled incorrect, with Jim noting they were going for the actor and not the role; but John Elroy Sanford was Red Foxx's real name.  I see no reason why that shouldn't have been accepted.  I don't recall them ever bringing back the contestant.

Was the full question read? Because if there's "is commonly known as..." or something about a woodsy creature, then the scope of the answer is narrowed to what they expect.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: chrisholland03 on September 06, 2023, 04:17:35 PM
The question is "Name Nixon's Secretary of State" and the reply isn't Kissinger. Does the player get credit for a right answer?
Peter as much as says that he's going to ask you questions about the movie you just saw. If you answer outside of the bounds of the movie on a jump-in quiz just because you can, then you conned some people during the contestant screening because you are clearly a smartass they want nowhere near their game show.

This answer can't be emphasized enough.  The premise of the game was a quiz on the movies shown.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Kevin Prather on September 06, 2023, 04:49:49 PM
I feel like the basic tenet of any quiz show is to give the rightest answer possible, not test the judge's patience by seeing what cutesy answers you can get away with.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Eric Paddon on September 06, 2023, 05:55:46 PM
"Pass The Buck" is the only show I can think of where in theory you *could* try the judge's patience with what you could get away with if what you were asked to name was a bit too broad in nature.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Mr. Brown on September 06, 2023, 08:48:45 PM
I feel like the basic tenet of any quiz show is to give the rightest answer possible, not test the judge's patience by seeing what cutesy answers you can get away with.

Sounds like the Multistate Bar Exam. Literally gives you the instruction “Choose the best answer,” and proceeds to give you four correct answers.  :o
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: tyshaun1 on September 07, 2023, 07:30:59 AM
This brings up a question about the long-since gone "Hit Man." What happened if a contestant gives a right answer, but that answer wasn't part of the film? Let's say the subject was Secretaries of State and the film talked about Henry Kissinger as Nixon's top diplomat. But Nixon had more than one Sec. of State. The question is "Name Nixon's Secretary of State" and the reply isn't Kissinger. Does the player get credit for a right answer?
Something similar actually occurred on the show and this was the result:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89wrlH3uL64&t=1215s
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: parliboy on September 10, 2023, 07:14:59 PM
Something similar actually occurred on the show and this was the result:

This exact incident came to mind for me as well.  However, if you go back and watch the video piece from round one, both the actor's name and the character's name appear in the video @4:25 in a way that makes this different.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: That Don Guy on September 11, 2023, 07:07:18 PM
I’m pretty sure Lindsay Wagner played The Bionic Woman, but that’s just me…
Correct. In fact, in the show's opening credits, it always said something like, "Estimated Cost: Classified", with "Classified" blinking and I think in a different color - and the only reason I can think of that they did this was to prevent people from calling her "The Six Million Dollar Woman."
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Denials on October 19, 2023, 11:00:00 PM
Was just watching a Wink Martindale High Rollers, and there was a question "Can you catch dandruff?".

The contestant answered no and was ruled wrong. 

However, everything I can find online says that dandruff isn't contagious.

(No smart alec responses saying you can catch it falling off your head in your hand)

Even funnier, the next episode started with a commercial for Head and Shoulders!
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Bob Zager on October 23, 2023, 12:23:14 PM
I've been trying to find a clip of the error from Jeopardy! where defending champ, Air Force Lt Colonel Daryl Scott (whose previous day winnings total was $1), avoided trying to respond to an incorrect Clue/Response.  The clue said: "She's the next character mentioned in "The Jetsons," theme after the line, "Meet George Jetson."

While watching a Jetsons episode yesterday, the line went "His boy, Elroy!"

Both challenging contestants gave incorrect responses, one said "who is daughter, Judy," the other said "who is his wife, Judy."  Afterwards, Alex said the correct response was "Who is his wife, Jane" which is also wrong.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Kevin Prather on October 23, 2023, 12:49:23 PM
I've been trying to find a clip of the error from Jeopardy! where defending champ, Air Force Lt Colonel Daryl Scott (whose previous day winnings total was $1), avoided trying to respond to an incorrect Clue/Response.  The clue said: "She's the next character mentioned in "The Jetsons," theme after the line, "Meet George Jetson."

While watching a Jetsons episode yesterday, the line went "His boy, Elroy!"

Both challenging contestants gave incorrect responses, one said "who is daughter, Judy," the other said "who is his wife, Judy."  Afterwards, Alex said the correct response was "Who is his wife, Jane" which is also wrong.

It didn't happen during Scott's game according to j-archive (https://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=8623&highlight=George+jetson).

The "error" was mentioned on air at a later date. The show claims there are multiple versions of the theme, and while the vastly more popular version goes George-Elroy-Judy-Jane, there is a version out there that goes George-Jane.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Mike Tennant on October 23, 2023, 01:13:58 PM
I've been trying to find a clip of the error from Jeopardy! where defending champ, Air Force Lt Colonel Daryl Scott (whose previous day winnings total was $1), avoided trying to respond to an incorrect Clue/Response.  The clue said: "She's the next character mentioned in "The Jetsons," theme after the line, "Meet George Jetson."

While watching a Jetsons episode yesterday, the line went "His boy, Elroy!"

Both challenging contestants gave incorrect responses, one said "who is daughter, Judy," the other said "who is his wife, Judy."  Afterwards, Alex said the correct response was "Who is his wife, Jane" which is also wrong.
It didn't happen during Scott's game according to j-archive (https://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=8623&highlight=George+jetson).

The "error" was mentioned on air at a later date. The show claims there are multiple versions of the theme, and while the vastly more popular version goes George-Elroy-Judy-Jane, there is a version out there that goes George-Jane.
Also, if the show's contention is correct (though, frankly, I'm dubious), I would have to rule Trebek's response valid as well. The clue doesn't call for the exact lyrics ("Jane, his wife"), just the character's name. And who knows? In this alleged alternate version, maybe the lyric is "his wife, Jane"?
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Bob Zager on October 23, 2023, 01:48:39 PM
I've been trying to find a clip of the error from Jeopardy! where defending champ, Air Force Lt Colonel Daryl Scott (whose previous day winnings total was $1), avoided trying to respond to an incorrect Clue/Response.  The clue said: "She's the next character mentioned in "The Jetsons," theme after the line, "Meet George Jetson."

While watching a Jetsons episode yesterday, the line went "His boy, Elroy!"

Both challenging contestants gave incorrect responses, one said "who is daughter, Judy," the other said "who is his wife, Judy."  Afterwards, Alex said the correct response was "Who is his wife, Jane" which is also wrong.
It didn't happen during Scott's game according to j-archive (https://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=8623&highlight=George+jetson).

The "error" was mentioned on air at a later date. The show claims there are multiple versions of the theme, and while the vastly more popular version goes George-Elroy-Judy-Jane, there is a version out there that goes George-Jane.
Also, if the show's contention is correct (though, frankly, I'm dubious), I would have to rule Trebek's response valid as well. The clue doesn't call for the exact lyrics ("Jane, his wife"), just the character's name. And who knows? In this alleged alternate version, maybe the lyric is "his wife, Jane"?

I want to make sure I was clear, but it was not Scott's game where he won $1 to become champ, it was on his second day's appearance where the incident occurred.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Kevin Prather on October 23, 2023, 01:56:27 PM
I want to make sure I was clear, but it was not Scott's game where he won $1 to become champ, it was on his second day's appearance where the incident occurred.

I literally gave you a link to the game transcript. It happened one week after Scott's game.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Bob Zager on October 23, 2023, 04:16:07 PM
Well, I'd say I had both episodes on the same videocassette tape and made an incorrect conclusion.  If The Jetsons did indeed have a different opening number, I'd never seen it; The Flintstones, I know did. I'm sorry for my mistake.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on October 27, 2023, 01:03:35 PM
I know sitcoms, when entering syndication, often shortened their theme songs considerably. Wouldn’t surprise me if there were syndicated Jetsons eps where they cut the kids out altogether to get back :15 of ad space.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Bob Zager on October 27, 2023, 02:43:26 PM
That is a good point, especially when The Jetsons originally ran on ABC-TV primetime.  Reportedly, it was also ABC's first program to be aired in color!

I recall back in 1985, there were brand-new episodes produced for two seasons in syndication, which occasionally, featured the original series episodes (with no "canned laughter," btw).  Among familiar game show names appearing in the end credits were Brian Cummings (former LMAD announcer), and Wink Martindale!
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: MSTieScott on October 27, 2023, 05:23:11 PM
Or maybe it's as simple as the fact that in 1993, Jeopardy! was relying on books as the sources of most of its trivia questions, and it's very possible that the book the show referenced for that particular question misquoted the theme song's lyrics.

For example, one of the YouTube channels belonging to Warner Bros. Home Entertainment states "Meet George Jetson ... Jane, his wife ... daughter Judy ... his boy Elroy ..." underneath a video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cnWDXA4MQHE) that clearly demonstrates that isn't the order the characters are named in the theme song. No source is infallible.
Title: Re: Shows Providing Wrong Information
Post by: Mr. Brown on November 26, 2023, 01:37:47 AM
I found this from my Facebook archives today:

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Watching "The Chase" on Game Show Network. The question was: "Which of the following is the only monarchy in the Pacific?" Tonga, Fiji or Samoa.

Ummm... where's Japan? Last time I checked, Japan had an Emperor, albeit a figurehead much like the United Kingdom. But still, a monarchy nonetheless.

This was from November 2017.