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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: ET206 on March 28, 2021, 12:58:17 AM
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On many occasions a losing contestant has been asked back because of a "production mistake." Has a losing contestant ever been asked to return because he/she was partnered with a celebrity who seemingly threw the game or didn't make any effort to win? I know celebrities can make honest mistakes like giving a two-word clue on Password or accidentally using a part of the clue on Pyramid, but sometimes they say something so stupid (Tom Poston saying "wronger" to the contestant's clue "writer") that deliberately causes a loss. I don't think a contestant should be penalized for something like that, but I also know it would be hard to prove that the celebrity screwed up on purpose.
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I don't know if it has ever been done, but it could be chalked up to a production mistake if it was a mistake that the celeb was ever cast.
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This opens up a can of worms. Contestants on '70s Pyramid who were partnered with Lawford or Shatner would be brought back? No, I don't see this happening.
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Please define the bar of "throwing the game" or "not making effort".
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Please define the bar of "throwing the game" or "not making effort".
Letterman
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Please define the bar of "throwing the game" or "not making effort".
Letterman
*bing* *ding*
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This reminds me of a dream I once had. It involved the last Round 2 question on Match Game, with the contestant trailing 6 to 5. Instead of attempting to match, the final celebrity needed to tie writes their answer as "You Lose!". I would think most celebs have the decency not to pull something like that but it makes me wonder if it would qualify the contestant for a redo.
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This reminds me of a dream I once had.
Not really a Martin Luther King dream, is it? (I joke.)
On Match Game, dumb celebrity play would really open up a can of worms. I imagine the rulesheet has an advisory that lots of luck is involved.
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I would think most celebs have the decency not to pull something like that but it makes me wonder if it would qualify the contestant for a redo.
Nobody remembers that poor sad clown Alan Sues who basically kept his trap shut for an entire Cross Fire round. At that point I would demand a Nipsey Russell rematch.
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This reminds me of a dream I once had. It involved the last Round 2 question on Match Game, with the contestant trailing 6 to 5. Instead of attempting to match, the final celebrity needed to tie writes their answer as "You Lose!". I would think most celebs have the decency not to pull something like that but it makes me wonder if it would qualify the contestant for a redo.
Pretty sure that would not be allowed as per show’s rules and regs, which I would imagine they have to give to panelists as well as contestants.
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This reminds me of a dream I once had. It involved the last Round 2 question on Match Game, with the contestant trailing 6 to 5. Instead of attempting to match, the final celebrity needed to tie writes their answer as "You Lose!". I would think most celebs have the decency not to pull something like that but it makes me wonder if it would qualify the contestant for a redo.
Pretty sure that would not be allowed as per show’s rules and regs, which I would imagine they have to give to panelists as well as contestants.
The Match Game documentary that aired a while back mentioned that the contestants were briefed that some answers were unacceptable. One would think the celebs would be bound to those same rules.
That may be why Marcia Wallace writing "genitalia" led to a stopdown rather than simply censoring it and moving on. They probably had to consult with S&P.
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Almost every celebrity who appears on a game show takes into consideration the prospect of future bookings. A really bad celebrity (George Peppard) would never get a repeat booking. Someone like Richard Paul, Bill Daily or David Doyle could look forward to many repeat bookings and the quick $1,000 they could pick up on a Saturday or Sunday.
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GSN is currently airing Match Game episodes from July 1975. Jack Cassidy is one of the guests on the week started Friday. Gene started round two by stating "nobody matched in round one so everybody plays". Jack said "Who cares?" Gene replied "we all care - there's a lot of money on the line".
I'm not sure if Jack was joking or not (he did get a couple of matches during the episode) but sometimes I wonder about certain celebrities. It seems that some of them are just there for their quick $1000 and didn't really care too much about the contestants or how the game turned out.
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GSN is currently airing Match Game episodes from July 1975. Jack Cassidy is one of the guests on the week started Friday. Gene started round two by stating "nobody matched in round one so everybody plays". Jack said "Who cares?" Gene replied "we all care - there's a lot of money on the line".
I'm not sure if Jack was joking or not (he did get a couple of matches during the episode) but sometimes I wonder about certain celebrities. It seems that some of them are just there for their quick $1000 and didn't really care too much about the contestants or how the game turned out.
Cassidy had some serious mental health issues around this time and (I believe) had just divorced Shirley Jones -- a quick $1,000 to do five shows likely helped him with paying child support (if required) and his medication. Whether he took the game seriously or not, who knows.
JD
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GSN is currently airing Match Game episodes from July 1975. Jack Cassidy is one of the guests on the week started Friday. Gene started round two by stating "nobody matched in round one so everybody plays". Jack said "Who cares?" Gene replied "we all care - there's a lot of money on the line".
I'm not sure if Jack was joking or not (he did get a couple of matches during the episode) but sometimes I wonder about certain celebrities. It seems that some of them are just there for their quick $1000 and didn't really care too much about the contestants or how the game turned out.
Cassidy had some serious mental health issues around this time and (I believe) had just divorced Shirley Jones -- a quick $1,000 to do five shows likely helped him with paying child support (if required) and his medication. Whether he took the game seriously or not, who knows.
JD
Shirley Jones can be very expensive indeed...ask anyone who went to her merch table during a meet and greet!
Ahem...anyway, this is now reminding me of the alleged MG/HS story where a panelist changed answers so they could play in the other rounds. Did we ever learn more about that?
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Almost every celebrity who appears on a game show takes into consideration the prospect of future bookings. A really bad celebrity (George Peppard) would never get a repeat booking. Someone like Richard Paul, Bill Daily or David Doyle could look forward to many repeat bookings and the quick $1,000 they could pick up on a Saturday or Sunday.
Was this the going rate for a celebrity to be on a game show? Was the $1K scale, or did scale figure into the amount? Was always curious how much the celebrities got paid for a quick 5 shows of work.
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I always thought at least back in the 70s scale was $750 for five shows. I read that on Hollywood Squares, everyone got $750 for five shows except Paul Lynde. He got $1,500. I also believe for Pyramid, Bob Stewart paid $1,000 for five shows to entice celebs to fly in from California.
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Has a losing contestant ever been asked to return because he/she was partnered with a celebrity who seemingly threw the game or didn't make any effort to win? I know celebrities can make honest mistakes like giving a two-word clue on Password or accidentally using a part of the clue on Pyramid, but sometimes they say something so stupid (Tom Poston saying "wronger" to the contestant's clue "writer") that deliberately causes a loss. I don't think a contestant should be penalized for something like that, but I also know it would be hard to prove that the celebrity screwed up on purpose.
On Pyramid, the winning contestant has almost always had the option to give the clues in the Winners Circle. On the current version, we were heavily encouraged to give, to the point where being a good WC clue giver was germane to getting a spot on the show; I'm guessing it's for the reasons you listed above.
I recall some of the male celebs on Hip Hop Squares doing their best to help some of the more attractive female contestants, and Paul Lynde admitting doing the exact opposite for contestants he hated. But at the end of the day, the contestant still has the agency to choose their own fate, so I guess that makes it nil.
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So wait...the current version does have the option for the contestant to receive? They sure don’t make it seem like it’s an option.
Although honestly, I like it better with the contestant giving.
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So wait...the current version does have the option for the contestant to receive? They sure don’t make it seem like it’s an option.
Although honestly, I like it better with the contestant giving.
They have the option. I remember Rosie O'Donnell giving the glues on one Strahan Pyramid episode.
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So wait...the current version does have the option for the contestant to receive? They sure don’t make it seem like it’s an option.
Although honestly, I like it better with the contestant giving.
I was at a first-season taping that had a rehearsal game with Steve Schirripa and Melissa Peterman. In the discussion at the winner's circle, it was said they prefer to have the civilian as the giver, so they would be responsible for the clues being legal. Option is always there to receive, if you happen to be lucky and draw Stuart Pankin for your episode.
It's an odd shift, because the Stewart-run Pyramid preferred to have the celebrity as the giver, because they had been coached and came from an experienced bench of game players. Now, the players are the well-versed ones in the nuances of the rules.
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When I played along at home, I always played as the male celebrity, which meant I usually "gave" in the Winner's Circle. That would make me favor being on the giving end if I were a civilian player on the show. Also, it's easier to give from a logistics standpoint since the answers are right there on the screen. You don't have to cover them up or turn away from the TV like you would when you receive. So what we see in Strahan's Winner's Circle probably reflects the fact that most civilian players spent more time playing as givers than receivers while watching at home, and it's become a sort of unwritten rule of the show.
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So what we see in Strahan's Winner's Circle probably reflects the fact that most civilian players spent more time playing as givers than receivers while watching at home, and it's become a sort of unwritten rule of the show.
Keep in mind that aspiring players are often more experienced than the celebs, who are rookies in their own right. Also, it keeps celebs from getting bad press for costing a player $100K because of an illegal clue- IIRC, there were some REALLY bad WC playings during the GSN run, some of which weren't aired for that very reason.
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IIRC, there were some REALLY bad WC playings during the GSN run, some of which weren't aired for that very reason.
I recall a few pretty cringeworthy WCs on Donny's version, and allegedly that was with the celebs getting briefed on clues. Of course it didn't help that the judging was so ticky-tack.
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Never mind categories like WHAT REGIS' COFFEE MUG WOULD SAY.
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Or WHAT JAY LENO'S CHIN MIGHT SAY.
Wasn't there also one of those using Tom Cruise's dentist?
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Never mind categories like WHAT REGIS' COFFEE MUG WOULD SAY.
"Mr. Philbin drinks his java out of me."
"What Regis's coffee cup would say."
*silence from the judge*
"How dare you call me a cup? I've never been so insulted."
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Never mind categories like WHAT REGIS' COFFEE MUG WOULD SAY.
"Mr. Philbin drinks....
......I wonder if that would've gotten buzzed.
/Buzzed? Coffee????
//Mmmmm.......coffee.......