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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: colonial on November 09, 2020, 02:06:23 PM
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No word on a premiere date at this time ...
https://deadline.com/2020/11/abc-celebrity-wheel-of-fortune-series-order-1234611597/
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It will be interesting to see what Mike Richards brings to address this, especially since the set is already 'Price' loud and the game is already gimmick filled.
My response last year:
I suspect he'll implement similar gimmicks as Price.
C + D level celebrities cameos
C + D level celebrities contestants
Having kids, parents, team rivalries play as contestants
High end designer/fashion prizes.
My response today: Gee, what a surprise (rolls eyes)
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It will be interesting to see what Mike Richards brings to address this, especially since the set is already 'Price' loud and the game is already gimmick filled.
My response last year:
I suspect he'll implement similar gimmicks as Price.
C + D level celebrities cameos
C + D level celebrities contestants
Having kids, parents, team rivalries play as contestants
High end designer/fashion prizes.
My response today: Gee, what a surprise (rolls eyes)
Oh, David Downs, if only you were here to see this...
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A little clarification, please?
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I miss the times where celebrity episodes of game shows would be interspersed a few times throughout the season in the regular time slot, rather than being treated as some completely separate spin-off series.
I'll still watch, of course.
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A little clarification, please?
Who me? I am referring to a (late) internet friend who was VERY critical of modern Wheel.
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A little clarification, please?
Who me? I am referring to a (late) internet friend who was VERY critical of modern Wheel.
David was a class act (at least in my own dealings with him; for others here YMMV), but he did have a sarcastic streak a mile wide. And Mike Richards and Harry Friedman were both perennial targets for him.
/can't believe next month will be a year he's been gone, still miss him.
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A little clarification, please?
Who me? I am referring to a (late) internet friend who was VERY critical of modern Wheel.
Gotcha.
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A little clarification, please?
Who me? I am referring to a (late) internet friend who was VERY critical of modern Wheel.
Gotcha.
I’m not critical of wheel as much as Richards.
It’s like gimmicks and celebrities is all he knows.
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The reason why they haven't had celebrities play in 13 years is because they were the most part terrible. When was the last time celebrities or professional athletes played by themselves? The game just dragged. Pairing them up with contestants didn't help, they just really served to spin the wheel but were otherwise clueless.
Hopefully they'll get "celebrities" who actually know how to play.
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Guess this also gives the Wheel franchise the distinct honor of appearing on all of the original Big 3 Networks: NBC, CBS and now ABC.
And will this also give Vanna White the honor of being the only person that appears/appeared on the same game show, in the same capacity, across all three networks?
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When was the last time celebrities or professional athletes played by themselves?
20 years ago (November 2, 2000), as a special game where the celebs played for charity while in costume (tying in to an "unmask the stars" contest held on the show's website): Richard Simmons as Shakespeare, Tara Lipinski as a genie, and Alex Trebek as a gnome. Their identities were revealed during the final segment.
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The reason why they haven't had celebrities play in 13 years is because they were the most part terrible. When was the last time celebrities or professional athletes played by themselves? The game just dragged. Pairing them up with contestants didn't help, they just really served to spin the wheel but were otherwise clueless.
Honestly, I've been regularly watching the show for the past few years, and the celebs probably aren't going to be any worse than the college weeks they've perennially done. I don't know where they scout their contestants from for those, but it's painful watching when it seems like 80% of the contestants look live they've done next to no preparation or even know the game.
This same problem is also happening this season with the show focusing almost solely on southern California contestants due to the pandemic. The gameplay has dipped terribly and they seem so desperate for contestants that some people seem like they walked in off the street and just started playing. Some to great heights, but most to "WTF?" response.
So, I'll gladly be looking forward to what will be part of the shot in the arm Wheel needed. The two biggest gripes I had as Harry walked out the door was the massive lack in fun/creative/current puzzle writing and no celebs. They might not be good, but they're entertaining and people like watching the favorite stars play the games they like to watch. Here's hoping being in primetime they book some big names.
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Some celebs were good. I remember Weird Al Yankovic and Neil Patrick Harris being very good. They most likely had seen the show before. I wonder if they will do two half hours or have the same celebs do an hour show. As long as they don't book people like Kellie Pickler it should work out fine.
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Guess this also gives the Wheel franchise the distinct honor of appearing on all of the original Big 3 Networks: NBC, CBS and now ABC.
Unless you're Sony, to which this is Wheel's network "debut"
(I'm joking, but if they really imply this somehow, so help me....)
And will this also give Vanna White the honor of being the only person that appears/appeared on the same game show, in the same capacity, across all three networks?
Unless you count Monty Hall's guest host shots on the CBS version of LMAD, as well as taking over the NBC version, yes.
EDIT: Forgot about Allen Ludden too!
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Allen Ludden counts. Password Plus is Password, full stop.
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Allen Ludden counts. Password Plus is Password, full stop.
Good catch.
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Guess this also gives the Wheel franchise the distinct honor of appearing on all of the original Big 3 Networks: NBC, CBS and now ABC.
Unless you're Sony, to which this is Wheel's network "debut"
(I'm joking, but if they really imply this somehow, so help me....)
Just...stop. It is not that serious. Like, at all.
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Allen Ludden counts. Password Plus is Password, full stop.
Good catch.
The Price is Right did it first. :P
And there's also the more recent entry with To Tell the Truth.
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https://deadline.com/2020/11/the-bachelor-american-idol-premiere-dates-celebrity-wheel-of-fortune-the-chase-the-hustler-abc-1234611967/
Celebrity WOF will front a Thursday game show block for ABC starting January 7. Celeb WOF starts at 8 p.m. ET, followed by The Chase at 9 p.m. and The Hustler (a Craig Ferguson-helmed effort that sounds like a variation of Dirty Rotten Cheater and The Enemy Within) at 10 p.m.
JD
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Allen Ludden counts. Password Plus is Password, full stop.
Good catch.
The Price is Right did it first. :P
And there's also the more recent entry with To Tell the Truth.
I think the discussion is about game show personnel doing the same thing on the same show on each of the Big 3 networks, not game shows that have appeared on each of the Big 3.
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I'm hoping they at least do something that will differentiate the celeb eps from normal eps other than the celeb contestants...put the million on the bonus wheel automatically, up the values on the wheel in normal play, something- otherwise it's the same show but on a network instead of syndication.
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I'm hoping they at least do something that will differentiate the celeb eps from normal eps other than the celeb contestants...put the million on the bonus wheel automatically, up the values on the wheel in normal play, something- otherwise it's the same show but on a network instead of syndication.
You put far too much faith in the producers of Wheel.
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I'm hoping they at least do something that will differentiate the celeb eps from normal eps other than the celeb contestants...put the million on the bonus wheel automatically, up the values on the wheel in normal play, something- otherwise it's the same show but on a network instead of syndication.
You put far too much faith in the producers of Wheel.
With Mike Richards now at the helm, I'm expecting Pat and Vanna to perform a song and dance sometime during the 2nd round.
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https://deadline.com/2020/11/the-bachelor-american-idol-premiere-dates-celebrity-wheel-of-fortune-the-chase-the-hustler-abc-1234611967/
Celebrity WOF will front a Thursday game show block for ABC starting January 7. Celeb WOF starts at 8 p.m. ET, followed by The Chase at 9 p.m. and The Hustler (a Craig Ferguson-helmed effort that sounds like a variation of Dirty Rotten Cheater and The Enemy Within) at 10 p.m
JD
Additionally To tell the Truth returns Jan 26.
Still no $100,000 pyramid?
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I'm hoping they at least do something that will differentiate the celeb eps from normal eps other than the celeb contestants...put the million on the bonus wheel automatically, up the values on the wheel in normal play, something- otherwise it's the same show but on a network instead of syndication.
You put far too much faith in the producers of Wheel.
With Mike Richards now at the helm, I'm expecting Pat and Vanna to perform a song and dance sometime during the 2nd round.
Yeah, while I'm not expecting everything to change from Harry Friedman instantly, the "producers of Wheel" aren't the same ones that have constantly let me down for the last 10 years. I'm hopeful for some changes for primetime. More than I would be a year ago.
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With Mike Richards now at the helm, I'm expecting Pat and Vanna to perform a song and dance sometime during the 2nd round.
Dang, I really don't get all this hate on Mike. Dude only successfully modernized two major game show brands while still keeping their core intact- that's not an easy job. But, as shown on here recently, some of y'all won't be satisfied until CBS cancels Price and replaces it with Barker reruns.
Not sure if Jeopardy GOAT was Mike's suggestion or if ABC came knocking, but if it's the former, he's gotten primetime air time for both of his new brands within one year, and that's to be commended as well.
For Wheel, I'm looking for SOMETHING to be different for the primetime version. What I like about Mike is that he's willing to change things up to see if he can make a better show come from it. They all don't work, but I appreciate the effort. Maybe some different set pieces, new dollar amounts on the wheel, or even a new theme? Jeopardy GOAT got a couple of those items, so I'm expecting to see something change.
I'll be interested to see how Pat hosts these episodes. I'd love to see him ham it up a little bit more, but I fear he's been in his dry humor rut since '89 and doesn't know the way out.
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some of y'all won't be satisfied until CBS cancels Price and replaces it with Barker reruns backs down and signs off on Barker reruns for Buzzr.
FTFY.
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Not sure if Jeopardy GOAT was Mike's suggestion or if ABC came knocking,
I don't know whether ABC requested it, but given that Harry Friedman was the executive producer of those specials, I'm guessing Mike didn't have much to do with their creation.
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With Mike Richards now at the helm, I'm expecting Pat and Vanna to perform a song and dance sometime during the 2nd round.
Dang, I really don't get all this hate on Mike. Dude only successfully modernized two major game show brands while still keeping their core intact- that's not an easy job. But, as shown on here recently, some of y'all won't be satisfied until CBS cancels Price and replaces it with Barker reruns.
I am not a Richards basher. He actually does a good job with the games in general, and was a decent host on GSNs Pyramid.
What I don't agree with is when there are unnecessary distractions to the gameplay. When you try to have most LMAD contestants do some sort of America's Got Talent act before they do an actual deal, it screams Central Casting, and it gets predictable.
Granted, Mike Richards had no part in the recent LMAD prime time special, with the crew's opening "number", or all the distractions Wheel has done under Harry Friedman's watch (too many buzz-in puzzles has always been my pet peeve), but if you are going to tweak a game show, do it with actual relevant gameplay and let everything else come natural (contestants, reactions, etc...).
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Celebrity WOF will front a Thursday game show block for ABC starting January 7. Celeb WOF starts at 8 p.m. ET, followed by The Chase at 9 p.m. and The Hustler (a Craig Ferguson-helmed effort that sounds like a variation of Dirty Rotten Cheater and The Enemy Within) at 10 p.m
JD
Additionally To tell the Truth returns Jan 26.
Still no $100,000 pyramid?
Yeah, Pyramid was supposed to go back in production in September. Anyone know if that actually happened?
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What I don't agree with is when there are unnecessary distractions to the gameplay. When you try to have most LMAD contestants do some sort of America's Got Talent act before they do an actual deal, it screams Central Casting, and it gets predictable.
I feel like a good portion of this is trying to play to the strengths of your all-purpose thespian host and house musician. Also Match Game is currently a much worse offender of derailing the game for Stupid Human Tricks.
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What I don't agree with is when there are unnecessary distractions to the gameplay. When you try to have most LMAD contestants do some sort of America's Got Talent act before they do an actual deal, it screams Central Casting, and it gets predictable.
I think you're misappropriating the blame there. Wayne and Jonathan are best known for their improv ability, so they tailored the entire show around their strengths. Not saying I'm personally a fan of it (or the show for that matter), and I do think the show doesn't need to have every dancer dance or singer sing, but people seem to be drawn to it for that reason.
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Yeah, Pyramid was supposed to go back in production in September. Anyone know if that actually happened?
Yes it did.
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Agree with others on not understanding the Mike Richards hate. He hasn't been my favorite person always in terms of some choices.
However, the fact that there is a network celebrity version of WOF does nothing to tarnish the syndie WOF product and probably enhances awareness and could help ratings/longevity. Why should Mike be penalized or ridiculed for that?
He's barely had time to start with both shows, in the middle of a pandemic. And something positive is coming out.
I for one will give it a watch and chance before bashing it.
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What I don't agree with is when there are unnecessary distractions to the gameplay. When you try to have most LMAD contestants do some sort of America's Got Talent act before they do an actual deal, it screams Central Casting, and it gets predictable.
I feel like a good portion of this is trying to play to the strengths of your all-purpose thespian host and house musician.
This. Contestant interviews come in all shapes and sizes, y’all. Wayne’s job is to pull as much out of them as he can, and get the audience to root for them.
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However, the fact that there is a network celebrity version of WOF does nothing to tarnish the syndie WOF product and probably enhances awareness and could help ratings/longevity. Why should Mike be penalized or ridiculed for that?
I'm not sure if ridiculed is the right word for it, but celebrities and gimmicks seems to be his default go to ideas.
Price = Celebrity guest spots + too many themed shows to mention.
Millionaire = Celebrity contestants
Primetime Wheel = Celebrity contestants
J! = Likely will have Celebrity contestants or themed shows with a new host
Seeing a pattern yet?
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Price = Celebrity guest spots + too many themed shows to mention.
Millionaire = Celebrity contestants
Primetime Wheel = Celebrity contestants
J! = Likely will have Celebrity contestants or themed shows with a new host
Seeing a pattern yet?
Yes. The pattern of things numerous different producers have done prior to Mike Richards. Millionaire, WOF, and J! have done numerous celebrity shows before Mike Richards ever came around.
Like, calling out "celebrity guests/contestants" is a moot point, because it's something a lot of producers do/have done to both great reward or failure since the dawn of television. Like it or not, celebrities are interesting people that regular people have interest in. There wouldn't be an entertainment industry without the interest in fame and those who surround it. It makes sense that producers would figure that there'd be garnered interest in watching celebrities more than regular contestants.
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Yes. The pattern of things numerous different producers have done prior to Mike Richards. Millionaire, WOF, and J! have done numerous celebrity shows before Mike Richards ever came around.
The difference is those producers before him didn't do the gimmicks/celebrities thing as the one of the first ideas that they implement
It's one of the first, if not, the first thing he does. Like there's nothing else for him to try first.
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Yes. The pattern of things numerous different producers have done prior to Mike Richards. Millionaire, WOF, and J! have done numerous celebrity shows before Mike Richards ever came around.
The difference is those producers before him didn't do the gimmicks/celebrities thing as the one of the first ideas that they implement
Except the entire idea of the panel show was watching celebrities play games. How many solely civilian shows did Goodson even have in the 50s? Winner Take All? Beat the Clock? Two for the Money? It was honestly very few and far between when I think about it. It was a well that he went to pretty early and stayed in for quite a while.
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However, the fact that there is a network celebrity version of WOF does nothing to tarnish the syndie WOF product and probably enhances awareness and could help ratings/longevity. Why should Mike be penalized or ridiculed for that?
I'm not sure if ridiculed is the right word for it, but celebrities and gimmicks seems to be his default go to ideas.
Price = Celebrity guest spots + too many themed shows to mention.
Millionaire = Celebrity contestants
Primetime Wheel = Celebrity contestants
J! = Likely will have Celebrity contestants or themed shows with a new host
Seeing a pattern yet?
If celebrity contestants were being booked on syndie Wheel, I'd agree with you. But they aren't. Therefore your argument breaks down about the "changes" that Mike is making. We don't know if ABC approached Wheel looking to expand their game offerings or if it was the other way around.
Also, I personally find the celeb/essential worker rotation in Millionaire really refreshing. Without an audience, and without being able to pull from a wide geographical area because of travel restrictions, I think it makes sense to shake things up a bit. It doesn't feel forced, although Joel McHale drove me crazy trying to be funny.
And you're just speculating about Jeopardy, which doesn't do a thing to prove your point.
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Having a separate primetime series for celebrities has been a popular trend in the UK. Pointless Celebrities, Cats Does Countdown, Tenable All-Stars, etc. I for one think that's a great way to do it. If I don't like the celebrity version, my Original Recipe remains untouched.
How would Primetime Millionaire have fared if they had Celebrity Millionaire on Saturday nights, and left the rest of the week alone?
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Having a separate primetime series for celebrities has been a popular trend in the UK.
Also Celebrity Family Feud is already a thing that exists.
And honestly what else could Wheel be able to do to make it sufficiently primetime?
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I'm not sure if ridiculed is the right word for it, but celebrities and gimmicks seems to be his default go to ideas.
Price = Celebrity guest spots + too many themed shows to mention.
Millionaire = Celebrity contestants
Primetime Wheel = Celebrity contestants
J! = Likely will have Celebrity contestants or themed shows with a new host
Seeing a pattern yet?
Not really. Millionaire and J! have done celebrity episodes for years. Theme weeks aren't new to J!, with Kids Week, and various tournaments. The Battle of the Decades could be seen as a gimmick, but instead uniquely incorporated its past. I think Mike realizes the difference between that and the decades episodes TPiR did a few years ago. I also think he realizes the two shows are completely different animals, so you won't see something like a daytime soap star doing Final Jeopardy! A cameo during a main game video clue? Maybe.
Wheel has done theme weeks for years, and while I think the show needs a shot in the arm, I don't see this being any worse than what Harry and Co. have tried for the last two decades.
I think this boils down to you just don't like Mike or anything the current crew does on TPiR. Mileage may vary, etc.
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Millionaire, WOF, and J! have done numerous celebrity shows before Mike Richards ever came around.
Yes, but both Wheel and Jeopardy! dropped having celebs play well before Harry departed - 2007 for the former, 2016 for the latter.
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If celebrity contestants were being booked on syndie Wheel, I'd agree with you. But they aren't.
I have no doubt that they will sooner rather than later.
We don't know if ABC approached Wheel looking to expand their game offerings or if it was the other way around.
No we don’t. I guess just a coincidence.
And you're just speculating about Jeopardy.
I truly hope I’m wrong
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Jeopardy! dropped having celebs play well before Harry departed ... 2016 for the latter.
"I'll take Swords for 400."
"It's actually not Swords. These are words that begin with S."
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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My apologies for bumping...
During WWTBAM tonight (12/6), ABC aired a new promo for Celebrity WOF. Said promo contains no footage, but does clarify two things:
- There are eight episodes
- During those eight episodes, twenty-four celebrities will compete
I was looking forward to this, but if it's the same three celebrities for the entire hour, it's just going to be slow. I am still looking forward to The Chase and The Hustler.
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I was looking forward to this, but if it's the same three celebrities for the entire hour, it's just going to be slow. I am still looking forward to The Chase and The Hustler.
I could see them going the route of GOAT and doing two games across the hour with the highest winner taking on the bonus round.
I'll further add that we've got a glimpse (https://i.imgur.com/OV3YHI3.jpg) at what some of the set will look like. Unsurprisingly, a warm feeling which reminds me of the GOAT event. The post comes from the first confirmed celeb for the season, SNL alum Kevin Nealon.
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I'll further add that we've got a glimpse (https://i.imgur.com/OV3YHI3.jpg) at what some of the set will look like.
I thought the container that holds prize wedges lost to a Bankrupt would be less bag-like. Nifty.
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J! = Likely will have Celebrity contestants or themed shows with a new host
Just hijacking yetis thread for a second. For years , ever since the prime time revival of games back in 99, I always thought Celebrity Jeopardy would play better in primetime - ESPECIALLY more than Celebrity Wheel.
Now with everyone getting into the prime time game show biz again (thanks ABC!), I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen - ONCE a new host is settled upon. No point in doing it now while it's in flux, and when it's in ink, why not coronate a new host with a prime time fun series?
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Bumping as the full list of celebs is now out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RU1ak99_o
EDIT: I don't feel like making individual spoiler tags, so one hover will reveal them all.
- Leslie Jones
- Tony Hawk
- Rob Riggle
- Joe Tessitore
- Jeannie Mai
- Rachel Leigh Cook
- Kevin Nealon
- Sherri Shepherd
- Chandra Wilson
- Maria Menounos
- Constance Zimmer
- Yvette Nicole Brown
- Patton Oswalt
- Jennie Garth
- Chrissy Metz
- Teri Hatcher
- Karamo Brown
- Drew Carey
- Alfonso Ribeiro
- Robert Herjavec
- Chris Harrison
- Joel McHale
- Paul Reubens
- Nicole Byer
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Only 10 names out of 24 that I am unfamiliar with (and I'm a young fogey who watches almost no current sitcoms or dramas), so a pretty decent roster I'd say.
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Counted at least 10 who have hosted or had a role on other game shows..
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Only 10 names out of 24 that I am unfamiliar with (and I'm a young fogey who watches almost no current sitcoms or dramas), so a pretty decent roster I'd say.
I only had to look up four (and two of those were people I knew of, just not by name). Definitely a solid lineup.
/I'm guessing you've never watched Holey Moley?
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ABC tweeted another promo (https://twitter.com/ABCNetwork/status/1338660241869840384/video/1) that also features The Chase and The Hustler.
From what little I see, I really like the Wheel set. They seemed to have given it the same constellation treatment that Jeopardy! did for the GOAT Tournament. I also like that they ditched the video wall behind the contestants. The stock footage of some random beach or mountain view never really did it for me, nor did the color-coded backgrounds for each player.
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Came for Paul Reubens. Leaving satisfied.
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Came for Paul Reubens. Leaving satisfied.
Paul Reubens will be glad to know someone came for HIM for a change.
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Came for Paul Reubens. Leaving satisfied.
What you did there. I see it.
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Gee, what is with the ABC games and their phoned-in MIDI versions of the themes? M'eh.
https://www.facebook.com/ABCNetwork/videos/410962260143568
Nonetheless, nice lineup of stars!
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It sounds a lot like a detective show theme song from the 70s.
Wouldn't hurt for ABC's promo department to dial back on the kinetic typography.
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Gee, what is with the ABC games and their phoned-in MIDI versions of the themes? M'eh.
https://www.facebook.com/ABCNetwork/videos/410962260143568
Nonetheless, nice lineup of stars!
So worse than the WOF theme we have now as it is?
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Paul Reubens' name is spelled incorrectly.
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Gee, what is with the ABC games and their phoned-in MIDI versions of the themes? M'eh.
You sure it's different? I can't tell the difference.
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Gee, what is with the ABC games and their phoned-in MIDI versions of the themes? M'eh.
You sure it's different? I can't tell the difference.
There's some different instrumentation. I'm inclined to believe that this was a different mix that was already recorded and just decided to use this one because it sounded more posh.
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Tell you what, Twitter has been on fire the last couple days over the whole Ken Jennings/Bean Dad thing, and looking at posts about the new Celebrity WoF, the Twitterverse isn't exactly going easy on Sajak either.
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Gee, what is with the ABC games and their phoned-in MIDI versions of the themes? M'eh.
You sure it's different? I can't tell the difference.
I thought about modifying my original reply with an "I see what you did there" type message, assuming Blanquepage was being sarcastic about how bland and nondescript the Wheel theme is now in general.
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Gee, what is with the ABC games and their phoned-in MIDI versions of the themes? M'eh.
You sure it's different? I can't tell the difference.
I thought about modifying my original reply with an "I see what you did there" type message, assuming Blanquepage was being sarcastic about how bland and nondescript the Wheel theme is now in general.
...No, no sarcasm. I'm referring actually to how the ABC versions of classic games take the themes with real instruments and turn them into make these half-baked synthed-up renditions. At least the regular 'Wheel' theme has real percussions and horns. :-\
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Bumping as Deadline has reported that it (and Supermarket Sweep) got renewed for a second season.