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Title: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: pownster on October 30, 2020, 05:20:50 AM
There were rumours many months ago that a major US network were planning to produce a new game show in Australia for the US market, and now the plans are confirmed. The producers, Eureka Productions, are taking advantage of the relatively low Covid-free environment cases in Australia to allow audience members to attend. Contestants will largely be made up of American ex-pats in Australia, although some big name US stars are going to be involved in the series.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2020/10/name-that-tune-to-film-in-sydney.html (https://tvtonight.com.au/2020/10/name-that-tune-to-film-in-sydney.html)
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 30, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Actually, NTT has been on here in the colonies for a few seasons. It's called "Beat Shazam." But the live orchestra will make it more like the original version.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: BrandonFG on October 30, 2020, 07:17:59 PM
Actually, NTT has been on here in the colonies for a few seasons. It's called "Beat Shazam." But the live orchestra will make it more like the original version.
In all fairness, they’ve been trying to revive NTT in the States long before “Beat Shazam” premiered.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 30, 2020, 09:30:21 PM
Yes indeed, valid point. Elizabeth Banks did a pilot for NTT in 2017. She has since found work on another game show :).
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: pownster on November 17, 2020, 09:22:13 PM
A follow up article has been published on Aussie TV blog site "TV Tonight" - it has been announced that Jane Krakowski will be hosting the revival - with Randy Jackson serving as Musical Director. Filming is about to commence in Sydney and will conclude in early December.

https://tvtonight.com.au/2020/11/jane-krakowski-randy-jackson-for-name-that-tune.html

Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: weaklink75 on November 18, 2020, 05:10:08 PM
And it’s for Fox..

https://tvline.com/2020/11/18/name-that-tune-reboot-jane-krakowski-host-fox/
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: BrandonFG on November 18, 2020, 05:51:56 PM
Interesting. I wonder if they'll pair with Beat Shazam?
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: ChrisLambert! on November 18, 2020, 05:58:33 PM
A promo just dropped (no show elements, as taping starts Friday) - it’ll be paired with Masked Dancer.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: weaklink75 on November 18, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
A promo just dropped (no show elements, as taping starts Friday) - it’ll be paired with Masked Dancer.

Here’s the press release:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2020/11/18/fox-presses-play-on-revival-of-popular-musical-game-show-name-that-tune-premiering-wednesday-january-6-on-fox-546012/20201118fox01/

Main things:

-each hour-long show will be 2 separate games
-each game will be 2 players one-on-one
-early rounds will vary from show to show
-final round will be Bid-A-Note
-player with most cash after Bid-A-Note plays Golden Medley
-$100K Golden Medley top prize
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Dan88 on November 18, 2020, 07:42:05 PM
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Each contest features a rotating variety of games from the original format, before the iconic Bid-a-Note round.
Given how many different games were used across the James, Kennedy, and Lange runs, that's a good sign. Props for using Bid-A-Note and the Golden Medley, too.

My only concern right now is that FOX will likely do a spoilerific promo-type cold open at the top of each hour like they've done with other game shows.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: jjman920 on November 18, 2020, 08:32:58 PM
I guess they consider Beat Shazam to be a summer show? Wouldn't be surprised if they filmed a Father's Day episode (I think they've done that in past). So, they're just going to keep hold of it until next summer since they know they probably won't be able to have an audience when they go to film another season. I get why, but disappointed.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: MikeK on November 19, 2020, 04:03:10 AM
I hope this NTT utilizes standards and classic showtunes (nothing against Hamilton and other contemporary Broadway shows), just to differentiate it from Beat Shazam.  The problem is you generally lose the key demographic when you break out the Gilbert and Sullivan.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Matt Ottinger on November 19, 2020, 08:48:17 AM
I hope this NTT utilizes standards and classic showtunes (nothing against Hamilton and other contemporary Broadway shows), just to differentiate it from Beat Shazam.  The problem is you generally lose the key demographic when you break out the Gilbert and Sullivan.

Krakowski is steeped in classic Broadway.  She even has a Tony award.   I too hope that we'll have a broader selection of music than what Beat Shazam offers.  American Idol and even Dancing with the Stars have appealed to the entire family, not a specific demographic, by doing just that.
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Post by: JakeT on November 19, 2020, 06:38:40 PM
I hope this NTT utilizes standards and classic showtunes (nothing against Hamilton and other contemporary Broadway shows), just to differentiate it from Beat Shazam.  The problem is you generally lose the key demographic when you break out the Gilbert and Sullivan.

Krakowski is steeped in classic Broadway.  She even has a Tony award.   I too hope that we'll have a broader selection of music than what Beat Shazam offers.  American Idol and even Dancing with the Stars have appealed to the entire family, not a specific demographic, by doing just that.

I wouldn't get your hopes up...the promo I've seen demonstrates trying to guess a Billie Eilish song in three notes...from that promo alone, I found myself tempted to say "nahhhhh...pass..." already...
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: calliaume on November 19, 2020, 06:50:09 PM
I hope this NTT utilizes standards and classic showtunes (nothing against Hamilton and other contemporary Broadway shows), just to differentiate it from Beat Shazam.  The problem is you generally lose the key demographic when you break out the Gilbert and Sullivan.

Krakowski is steeped in classic Broadway.  She even has a Tony award.   I too hope that we'll have a broader selection of music than what Beat Shazam offers.  American Idol and even Dancing with the Stars have appealed to the entire family, not a specific demographic, by doing just that.

I wouldn't get your hopes up...the promo I've seen demonstrates trying to guess a Billie Eilish song in three notes...from that promo alone, I found myself tempted to say "nahhhhh...pass..." already...
This was (to me) the problem with the 1970s version of the show--the songs seemed to be primarily from the prerock era (that may have changed a bit the last couple of years of the Kennedy run). And that probably appealed to their primary audience target of people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s, but as a preteen and teen I was often hopelessly lost. I hope they do try to appeal to a broad crosssection of age groups, but I imagine that would be a challenge.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Joe Mello on November 19, 2020, 07:21:42 PM
I hope they do try to appeal to a broad crosssection of age groups, but I imagine that would be a challenge.
Savvy coordinators could pair off contestants with similar strengths and either subtly or unsubtly mold the game around that.

I don't know whether this helps or hurts the hunt for a broad audience, but if this NTT used the standard format (3 best-of-5's and a 7-song golden medley) but only used #1's from the Billboard Hot 100 (which has been in place over 60 years), they could play about 50 matches without repeating a tune.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: BrandonFG on November 19, 2020, 07:45:48 PM
I hope this NTT utilizes standards and classic showtunes (nothing against Hamilton and other contemporary Broadway shows), just to differentiate it from Beat Shazam.  The problem is you generally lose the key demographic when you break out the Gilbert and Sullivan.

Krakowski is steeped in classic Broadway.  She even has a Tony award.   I too hope that we'll have a broader selection of music than what Beat Shazam offers.  American Idol and even Dancing with the Stars have appealed to the entire family, not a specific demographic, by doing just that.

I wouldn't get your hopes up...the promo I've seen demonstrates trying to guess a Billie Eilish song in three notes...from that promo alone, I found myself tempted to say "nahhhhh...pass..." already...
This was (to me) the problem with the 1970s version of the show--the songs seemed to be primarily from the prerock era (that may have changed a bit the last couple of years of the Kennedy run). And that probably appealed to their primary audience target of people in their 30s, 40s, and 50s, but as a preteen and teen I was often hopelessly lost. I hope they do try to appeal to a broad crosssection of age groups, but I imagine that would be a challenge.
That was something I noticed about Lange's version as well. A lot of songs that seemed to be popular in the 1940s and '50s. Oddly enough, I remember one Lange episode where the contestants were stumped by YMCA. I guess people were still trying to forget about disco in 1984. :P
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: BrandonFG on December 10, 2020, 12:35:22 AM
We have a trailer. I’m intrigued.

https://ew.com/tv/jane-krakowski-randy-jackson-name-that-tune-first-teaser/
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on December 10, 2020, 12:53:56 AM
I wouldn't get your hopes up...the promo I've seen demonstrates trying to guess a Billie Eilish song in three notes...from that promo alone, I found myself tempted to say "nahhhhh...pass..." already...
You made that assumption...based on one song...from one promo?

Just admit you hate game shows and move on.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: JakeT on December 10, 2020, 07:36:43 PM
I wouldn't get your hopes up...the promo I've seen demonstrates trying to guess a Billie Eilish song in three notes...from that promo alone, I found myself tempted to say "nahhhhh...pass..." already...
You made that assumption...based on one song...from one promo?

Just admit you hate game shows and move on.

I hate game shows?

Really...

The person who once had the largest private game show video archive hates game shows...

Suuuuurrrrrrre...okay...

And, not that I owe you any explanation or further information, I have already changed my opinion based on the longer promo...

JakeT
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: TimK2003 on December 10, 2020, 08:54:43 PM

That was something I noticed about Lange's version as well. A lot of songs that seemed to be popular in the 1940s and '50s. Oddly enough, I remember one Lange episode where the contestants were stumped by YMCA. I guess people were still trying to forget about disco in 1984. :P

I was not around when the 40's and 50's standards were first heard on radio, but I became most familiar with them because I watched a lot of Warner Brothers cartoons growing up.  Many of those songs used on the show appeared often in the Merry Melodies and Loony Tunes shorts that were rerun nearly every day of the week, so most of those songs were recognizable even to us smaller fry at the time.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on December 11, 2020, 06:03:58 PM
I wouldn't get your hopes up...the promo I've seen demonstrates trying to guess a Billie Eilish song in three notes...from that promo alone, I found myself tempted to say "nahhhhh...pass..." already...
You made that assumption...based on one song...from one promo?

Just admit you hate game shows and move on.

I hate game shows?

Really...

The person who once had the largest private game show video archive hates game shows...

Suuuuurrrrrrre...okay...

And, not that I owe you any explanation or further information, I have already changed my opinion based on the longer promo...

JakeT
Weird flex on the archive, but okay.

Clearly you (now) know that posting an opinion of a show based on a :15 promo with no footage is premature, hence why you changed your opinion. Maybe wait it out before you negatively judge a show next time, son.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: JakeT on December 11, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
Clearly you (now) know that posting an opinion of a show based on a :15 promo with no footage is premature, hence why you changed your opinion. Maybe wait it out before you negatively judge a show next time, son.

"son"?

Get a grip...

JakeT
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: urbanpreppie05 on December 11, 2020, 06:39:46 PM
It looks promising!

But I do want to ask (not just from the conversation on this board) Why are so many people upset that they will be using modern songs? I mean, its 2020 (ok, almost 21) they should be doing hit songs. One of the BIGGEST issues with the Lange version is how it looks dated even for mid-80s standards. They once had the band do "I just Called to say i love you" that was almost unrecognizable.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: JMFabiano on December 11, 2020, 07:36:09 PM
It looks promising!

But I do want to ask (not just from the conversation on this board) Why are so many people upset that they will be using modern songs? I mean, its 2020 (ok, almost 21) they should be doing hit songs. One of the BIGGEST issues with the Lange version is how it looks dated even for mid-80s standards. They once had the band do "I just Called to say i love you" that was almost unrecognizable.

It's like people who complained about the live action Alvin and the Chipmunks movies because "they cover modern 2000s songs, unlike MY Alvin and the Chipmunks, which covered...modern 80s songs!" 

/Of course Alvin Show fans were the real winners, as they mostly did standards anyway.
//And modern music was the least of the movie franchise's problems.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: TimK2003 on December 11, 2020, 07:54:06 PM
/Of course Alvin Show fans were the real winners, as they mostly did standards anyway.

Annnnnd they also did a full album covering Beatles songs. 
Case Closed..
Please step off my lawn.
<mic drop>
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: JMFabiano on December 11, 2020, 08:37:33 PM
/Of course Alvin Show fans were the real winners, as they mostly did standards anyway.

Annnnnd they also did a full album covering Beatles songs. 
Case Closed..
Please step off my lawn.
<mic drop>

Ah, but did they do so on the show?
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Otm Shank on December 12, 2020, 04:32:12 AM
OK, so this forum is probably the only place where people will "get" me, so I ask you to forgive me for using the forum to vent related to the topic.

Around 2005, I started to collect some random ideas for a NTT reboot. Nothing serious, and it help to scratch a little of a creative itch at the time. I'd put it down a few months, pick it up again, add a little, edit a little. Every so often, a rumor or blurb would float that someone picked up development rights, and nothing. Over the course of about 8-9 years, I had a really well-polished treatment. It was a truly unique experience in my array of creative side-hustles, in that I would completely deconstruct and rebuild the format at least twice, every so often finding some flaw that had me trashing a lot of work. On the plus side, I was really shoring up the weak points in the format, but it was difficult to blow up your own work multiple times.

I tried pitching to Sandy Frank in 2008, beginning a journey that would be all about avoiding the legal tripwires of unsolicited contributions and selling an invisible product. I remember that first pitch by phone on a lunch break from my car. While I never misrepresented that I was anything more than a freelance writer, Mr. Frank seemed awfully confused and was directing his secretary on other matters during our call. He tried to steer me toward his effort to revive Face the Music, so my recognition helped keep the conversation going. He even said when we set our appointment that he would like to send me a pilot tape of FtM. On the call, I still persisted on my goal, but eventually he screamed "Forget about Name That Tune!" Sensing the option rights were all tied up, and that he wasn't going to direct me to the developer, I inquired about him sending the tape for the FtM pilot. "Why would I do that?" I told him he offered it, but he started to ignore me and go about his other business, and I cordially ended the call.

I somehow also made it into the inner sanctum of Embassy Row to their development head on another unrelated original format, but then threw in that I had a Name That Tune treatment. "Oh, do you have the rights?" At the time I was in the throes of a really-not-funemployment, and was barely able to get the train into Manhattan, let alone have an ownership stake in a marquee brand. Nothing came from that, although I did get to try out for the first Pyramid pilot for CBS daytime a few months later. That potential path dried up when ER really started to exit the game sphere.

Periodically, I would try to connect again, until the Las Vegas stage show ended its run, with the article saying an Atlantic City show was being looked at, and I lived in northwest NJ. Contacting the LV producers, I learned that Frank had sold his ownership to Ralph Rubenstein of Prestige Entertainment. (They also weren't really serious about the AC show.)

A couple of e-mail pokes every year or two ensued, sometimes with a one-word to one-sentence response from Rubenstein, which, to me was great that I was at least receiving a decline as opposed to being ignored.

By this time, I had really started to study any of the NTT episodes that surfaced on YouTube, and thankfully got reacquainted with the Tom Kennedy era from my early childhood, which is obviously when the show really hit its stride. I recognized some of the weak points that were not a problem in the three-network universe but were fatal by modern standards. Watching Jim Lange squirm through 3 minutes of vamping due to an early exit of the Golden Medley was a large part of that problem solving process. The 2016 Summer Fun & Games block on ABC not only lit a fire to get the program treatment buttoned up, but also lead to an overall back-to-basics-with-new-twists approach (and another wrecking ball to the format to this point). Originally using a small stable of minigames that would be rotated into two 30-minute episodes, the final format was simplified to a consistent 5-round, 1-hour game very much anchoring on the popular elements with new features. I had also finally solved the scoring flaw of 10-10-20-1, where a poorly performing contestant who was a lucky bidder just had to name 1 tiebreaker tune in the whole episode to advance.

Now, I was downloading MIDI files and got really into experimenting with soundfonts to fit an orchestra onto a thumb drive. I broke out my soldering iron from its 20-year slumber to wire up some buzzers. I mocked up 5 episodes with everything from doo wop to hip-hop -- yes, including a rendition of "Bad Guy" by Billie Eilish -- and was ready to jump on the next plane to L.A. if needed. All the while, I was fully aware that I really, really did not have a snowball's chance as an unknown outsider. But ... maybe.

In 2017, there was a pilot opportunity with CBS, and so I e-mailed the late John Ferriter who was one of the producers and had a hand in some of the British production. I acknowledged my outsider status, and that they probably had their format locked down. But I let him know there was a turnkey format ready to present, and that I had been honing it for the last 12 years. I sent the e-mail 2 minutes before going into a meeting in my office. Four minutes into the meeting, I can see a reply on my phone. But I can't pick up my phone and look at it, and it is killing me. Finally, without paying much attention to the topic at hand, I got a break and stole a glance. It was still a decline, but we have three sentences this time: "I appreciate it, Ben, and as you can probably guess we've been working on the creative for some time. I will let you know if we have any openings. Thank you. John"

About a week later, I actually did get an offer of an in-road to get the format into a producer's hand, but it was clear they were ready to go. Doing so would lose any control of that format, as I would have breached the firewall of unsolicited contributions. I decided to hold on it, but got word back through my contact that they have something in the bullpen, should they desire. That option apparently expired after the pilot was shot and not greenlighted, and sadly, John had suddenly passed due to a chronic condition.

Now, 2019, our favorite genre was starting to be "on trend" (Ugh! Hate that term.) and I felt the best foot forward was to record a proof of concept/sizzle reel from the living room. Fine, after the Super Bowl ends and my other side project comes to a conclusion, let's get some really knowledgeable contestants from the artistic (wife's) side of the family. All the attempts at run-throughs at this point were not seriously adhered to by my friends, so I needed a good demo tape. Maybe in March-April 2020 we can get together and put something together. Yeah, the pandemic combined with other personal issues just clobbered that idea.

Realizing there is likely very little development going on, I updated the treatment/production bible/style manual (now up to 36 pages) and labeled it the 2023 version. Meanwhile, from the place that gave the genre the likes of Reg Grundy, they were quietly shooting the 10 episodes that would finally break the drought of 35 years worth of attempts by many to bring NTT back to the air.

So, fully realizing that this was just a lottery ticket with a value measured only in hopes and dreams, the 15-year arc finally comes to an end. If you made it this far, you are far more understanding and empathetic than those around me who just wouldn't understand. Thank you, and I owe each of you a nickel for the cleansing therapy session.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 12, 2020, 01:31:28 PM
Instead of pitch meetings, just put up a youtube video. The copyright owners will look at it , trust me
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: clemon79 on December 12, 2020, 03:38:15 PM
The copyright owners will look at it , trust me

Yeah, bots can't greenlight.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Otm Shank on December 12, 2020, 05:18:35 PM
This never caught anyone's attention, even for the music, which would have been the more likely trigger.

https://youtu.be/jQ-M9n1gVGY

One thing I noticed is there's very little policing of the use of the name for trivia nights, radio contests, and homemade Youtube games. That may change now, but the owners of the format certainly kept the title circulating around which is in a very small part helping their name recognition.

In fact, their .com site has Youtube embeds from VHS uploads, so they are using it to their advantage. I had registered the .tv domain long ago when it looked like they lost control of the .com. Within the last year or so, they actually have some content there now, and probably paid a ransom sum to get the domain back. The focus has been on the international properties, so it looks like a lot slid by on the domestic side.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: JakeT on December 12, 2020, 08:48:30 PM
This never caught anyone's attention, even for the music, which would have been the more likely trigger.

Revisiting Santa Esmerelda, a la the "Bullseye" pilot?

JakeT
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Otm Shank on December 13, 2020, 12:26:29 AM
Different part of the song, but yeah, that was intended to be a little Easter egg in there.
Title: Re: "Name That Tune" Revival for the USA - but filmed in Australia.
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 13, 2020, 04:00:04 AM
During TV's early days, this would be considered  a "runaway" production.