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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JMFabiano on September 02, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
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Over on Facebook on one of the GS groups, there was a thread about the banned/lost Match Game episodes. It got me to thinking...what are the rarest episodes/series from shows that : 1) have not been wiped, and 2) have had some kind of rerun package over the decades?
Ones that come to mind for me, for example, would be...
- The 3rd anniversary week of TPIR, aka the test for the 60 min. format. First day got out there via trading, another from the Best of DVD set. But the rest has not seen the light of day since 1975. Weren't part of GSN's reruns...I am guessing because most of the eps. that week gave away furs, perhaps? I do know the traded episode had a fur prize.
- Bill Cullen's first Joker's Wild season. Although USA DID rerun that season, it was skipped over by GSN and there aren't many eps. online from 1984-85.
- For that matter, did GSN ever air TJW from between 1979-1982? Only now, for instance, have I discovered an episode from the first season they had the neon set.
- Family Feud '94: Richard reads a letter from someone who dislikes him AND Ray Combs. (latter mentioned by name by Richard, when he also plugs GSN) Here's one I have yet to see at all, and being that GSN went through the episodes between late '97-early '98, I'm surprised it hasn't surfaced that I know of.
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Couldn’t you argue that most of Dawson’s return season is a rarity now, especially since to the best of my knowledge the episodes haven’t seen the light of day since GSN stopped airing them?
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- For that matter, did GSN ever air TJW from between 1979-1982? Only now, for instance, have I discovered an episode from the first season they had the neon set.
They aired a big chunk of the '79 and '80 seasons with the 'Pizza Hut' set at some point in the late 90s. I wish I had kept more of them.
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- For that matter, did GSN ever air TJW from between 1979-1982? Only now, for instance, have I discovered an episode from the first season they had the neon set.
They aired a big chunk of the '79 and '80 seasons with the 'Pizza Hut' set at some point in the late 90s. I wish I had kept more of them.
This season also aired on Sunday nights in summer 2001.
As far as rarest, if I understand the question correctly, how about “Liar’s Club” or Bobby Van’s “Make Me Laugh”? USA aired the reruns of both in the mid-80s.
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All of PDQ (826 episodes) and Spin Off exist...yet we have none from the series in circulation with the exception of the PDQ pilot.
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GSN only re-ran one episode from 1978-79 season of Price, and there's only a few clips and maybe one other episode on YouTube.
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Up until Buzzr put them in the regular rotation, the Michael Larson episodes of PYL would have qualified for this thread. Not so much anymore though.
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Tattletales, 1977-78 CBS. Very little has ever been run from the last two years of Tattletales initial daytime run.
$20,000 Pyramid, 1979-80 ABC. GSN in the Dark Period showed us most of June to November 1978. There is still most of the last year and a half that has not gotten a regular airing. A few select episodes from 79 aired on "Pyramid Thursdays" (but never any from 1980 after the set change) and we had the full week of the"Junior Pyramid" overdone many times during the DP I think because GSN programmers were confused and didn't realize it was just one week of shows at the time!
Also we only got the first 24 episodes of "Pass The Buck" but not the rest of the run during the DP and just the first-third of BTB-76 when it had its mere once a week airings. "Chain Reaction" only got up to its half-way point during the DP. "Go" managed to get through the entire cycle though four episodes at least were skipped.
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Do we know how much of $20,000 Pyramid still exists? I'm tempted to believe that if mid-'78 exists then the rest of that run probably does, but I wonder how early on they would have stopped wiping.
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Do we know how much of $20,000 Pyramid still exists? I'm tempted to believe that if mid-'78 exists then the rest of that run probably does, but I wonder how early on they would have stopped wiping.
It was and remains my understanding that the week GSN started with (Sandy Duncan & Nipsey Russell, week of 6/12/78) is the first week of 70s Pyramid that exists in it's entirety outside of the three weeks of $10K that taped at Television City during the CBS run. GSN/Sony may have individual episodes outside of those points, but nothing that could be stripped onto a weekday schedule - and nothing they saw fit to throw into a marathon or special during the era that they would have considered doing that
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Adding onto Break The Bank, have any of the syndicated episodes with Jack Barry been rerun since the 70's?
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Adding onto Break The Bank, have any of the syndicated episodes with Jack Barry been rerun since the 70's?
GSN ran 5 episodes of it during the late '90s, but nothing has surfaced since then. I'd love to see more of it.
I'll add the following:
Press Your Luck
--the June/July 1986 episodes; USA ran them in the early '90s and they haven't been run since
--Sept 1986; these haven't been run since their initial CBS airings; they've never appeared in any rerun package
]Joker's WIld
--CBS episodes from 1974-75 time frame
High Rollers
--it was recently pointed out that the whole 1974-76 run exists, yet there's only one episode out there
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Adding onto Break The Bank, have any of the syndicated episodes with Jack Barry been rerun since the 70's?
I THINK they were part of GSN's 1997-98 run. I at least remember getting an episode with a GSN bug and all.
(I wouldn't know firsthand, as our cable company put GSN and another network on the same channel for awhile...as such, weekend evenings were cut)
(EDIT: yes, as per the post above)
Couldn’t you argue that most of Dawson’s return season is a rarity now, especially since to the best of my knowledge the episodes haven’t seen the light of day since GSN stopped airing them?
Buzzr did air the White vs. Burnett special, I believe. GSN did air the Halloween episode I think, long after the 1997-98 period. But generally, yeah. And since that version of Feud was seen on weekdays and weekends alike back in the day, I'm stunned that the episode I mentioned with the letter about him and Ray has not turned up. Only evidence I have of it was an old USENET post describing it.
There's certain seasons of The (New) $25,000 Pyramid that GSN never touched as well. And of course, assuming the tapes are intact, we have the entire runs of Cullen $25K, $50K, and Davidson $100K to consider. (although some of that's cheating, as Davidson was never reran anywhere while the others technically were, on local stations and CBN respectively)
High Rollers
--it was recently pointed out that the whole 1974-76 run exists, yet there's only one episode out there
Two, the Paley Center has one other episode, IIRC. (they also have the one that's online)
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The Jack Barry BTB was never on the regular schedule. GSN aired at most 4 episodes (maybe 5) at random points but only Kennedy BTB was on the regular schedule (Sunday nights).
"The Diamond Head Game" when it aired on Sunday nights did not get up to the point when it had some kind of format change I've read about. We did get the infamous "Mercedes Benz" episode Bob talks about in his memoir (though he ends up being way off on a number of details)
Jack Narz "Beat The Clock" episodes are rare since the last time they were ever on the regular GSN schedule was weekends prior to the DP and it's doubtful the first season taped in NY exists (the first season of syndie TTTT is also lost)
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All of PDQ (826 episodes) and Spin Off exist...yet we have none from the series in circulation with the exception of the PDQ pilot.
I am under the impression that the only tapes of Spin-Off that exist are in a format that cannot be broadcast by modern technologies, and have to be converted at considerable cost, the same way that the first two seasons of CBS The Joker's Wild had to be.
Speaking of which, how far did GSN get through the first two seasons of TJW? Did they even convert all of the tapes?
Also, aren't there a few weeks of Trebek Double Dare missing for some reason?
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I am under the impression that the only tapes of Spin-Off that exist are in a format that cannot be broadcast by modern technologies, and have to be converted at considerable cost, the same way that the first two seasons of CBS The Joker's Wild had to be.
Speaking of which, how far did GSN get through the first two seasons of TJW? Did they even convert all of the tapes?
GSN aired most of Sept 1972 - April 1973. Not sure about how much was converted. From what I understand, they always had the last season (1974-75), but since they never aired any of it we don't know if it was converted or not. When the rest was discovered at WCBS in 2000, they started airing it from the 1972 premiere.
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I am under the impression that the only tapes of Spin-Off that exist are in a format that cannot be broadcast by modern technologies, and have to be converted at considerable cost, the same way that the first two seasons of CBS The Joker's Wild had to be.
Speaking of which, how far did GSN get through the first two seasons of TJW? Did they even convert all of the tapes?
GSN aired most of Sept 1972 - April 1973. Not sure about how much was converted. From what I understand, they always had the last season (1974-75), but since they never aired any of it we don't know if it was converted or not. When the rest was discovered at WCBS in 2000, they started airing it from the 1972 premiere.
Was it ever even established how much of the run was discovered?
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Was it ever even established how much of the run was discovered?
According to David Schwartz way back when, all of it.
Episodes from 469 from '74 and 600 from 2/13/75 are around in collections in master quality. In fact I even showed #600 once on Game Show Vault but hardly anyone viewed it. Oh well :P
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(the first season of syndie TTTT is also lost)
As a giant fan of Garry Moore as well as this version of the show, this one always bums me out. :( All I know of that exists from this season is a b&w copy of a very early taped episode (I think the third one) which features a game involving dating profiles and Peggy Cass!!
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(the first season of syndie TTTT is also lost)
As a giant fan of Garry Moore as well as this version of the show, this one always bums me out. :( All I know of that exists from this season is a b&w copy of a very early taped episode (I think the third one) which features a game involving dating profiles and Peggy Cass!!
I believe this is a still photo from that season of the show -- my aunt is in position #1 as an impostor, and this photo is from the collection of #3, who was the central character (Baltimore Orioles bat girl/base sweeper Linda Warehime).
(https://i.imgur.com/QhzfB32.png)
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THAT'S SO COOL!! Thank for sharing that!!
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High Rollers[/b]
--it was recently pointed out that the whole 1974-76 run exists, yet there's only one episode out there
WHO pointed this out?
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High Rollers[/b]
--it was recently pointed out that the whole 1974-76 run exists, yet there's only one episode out there
WHO pointed this out?
Adam Nedeff in the Buzzr Lost & Found thread. (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,32280.msg382018.html#msg382018)
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(the first season of syndie TTTT is also lost)
As a giant fan of Garry Moore as well as this version of the show, this one always bums me out. :( All I know of that exists from this season is a b&w copy of a very early taped episode (I think the third one) which features a game involving dating profiles and Peggy Cass!!
A smattering of first year TTTTs are around and about: a couple of shows from the first week (the already-mentioned second show with Peggy Cass meeting her computer dating match is at UCLA, while the premiere is in the hands of a private collector.) There’s another midseason show featuring Cathy Rigby as central character at UCLA. And then a few half-episodes in various library collections.
Ran across a 1974 article recently that indicated the first year was being removed from circulation so viewers would be able to watch more timely stories. Job mite too effectively done…
Marshall
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I read once that in the first year, syndie TTTT was carrying over some of the last year Collyer gimmicks of celebrity spouses etc. (and interviewing the celeb first).
The first one would be interesting to see just to hear what kind of acknowledgments were being made. The first syndie WML made note of the occasion so I doubt the first syndie TTTT was silent about the matter.
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I read once that in the first year, syndie TTTT was carrying over some of the last year Collyer gimmicks of celebrity spouses etc. (and interviewing the celeb first).
The first one would be interesting to see just to hear what kind of acknowledgments were being made. The first syndie WML made note of the occasion so I doubt the first syndie TTTT was silent about the matter.
Sure enough, the first handful of weeks featured the spouse-of-a-celebrity segment once a week or so. There was Joe Frazier's wife, Meredith MacRae's husband, Doc Severinsen's wife...and best of all, in the show's first week, future emcee Joe Garagiola's wife.
Not much in the way of first show references...unless Garry's sly comment that the audience response was tumultuous counts.
Marshall
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(the first season of syndie TTTT is also lost)
As a giant fan of Garry Moore as well as this version of the show, this one always bums me out. :( All I know of that exists from this season is a b&w copy of a very early taped episode (I think the third one) which features a game involving dating profiles and Peggy Cass!!
A smattering of first year TTTTs are around and about: a couple of shows from the first week (the already-mentioned second show with Peggy Cass meeting her computer dating match is at UCLA, while the premiere is in the hands of a private collector.) There’s another midseason show featuring Cathy Rigby as central character at UCLA. And then a few half-episodes in various library collections.
Ran across a 1974 article recently that indicated the first year was being removed from circulation so viewers would be able to watch more timely stories. Job mite too effectively done…
Marshall
Didn't know about the premiere... woohoo!! Happy to hear that we've now got a little bit more out there in a galaxy far far away...
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I have to throw the Tom Kennedy round of Name That Tune in here, although I have my doubts that it actually is still being archived at the expense of the Ralph Edwards estate. Further, if they even did exist, the music rights would make any rebroadcast prohibitively expensive until 2071.
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Over on Facebook on one of the GS groups, there was a thread about the banned/lost Match Game episodes. It got me to thinking...what are the rarest episodes/series from shows that : 1) have not been wiped, and 2) have had some kind of rerun package over the decades?
Ones that come to mind for me, for example, would be...
- The 3rd anniversary week of TPIR, aka the test for the 60 min. format. First day got out there via trading, another from the Best of DVD set. But the rest has not seen the light of day since 1975. Weren't part of GSN's reruns...I am guessing because most of the eps. that week gave away furs, perhaps? I do know the traded episode had a fur prize.
- Bill Cullen's first Joker's Wild season. Although USA DID rerun that season, it was skipped over by GSN and there aren't many eps. online from 1984-85.
- For that matter, did GSN ever air TJW from between 1979-1982? Only now, for instance, have I discovered an episode from the first season they had the neon set.
- Family Feud '94: Richard reads a letter from someone who dislikes him AND Ray Combs. (latter mentioned by name by Richard, when he also plugs GSN) Here's one I have yet to see at all, and being that GSN went through the episodes between late '97-early '98, I'm surprised it hasn't surfaced that I know of.
Adam Nedeff mentioned in both Game Shows FAQ and This Day in Game Show History that stars of CBS shows at the time made appearances to pronote the hour-long Price is Right. Those are awfully rare. Also, GSN did rerun Full ends TJW.
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WOF episodes with Summer Bartholomew, Vicki McCarty, etc. Filling in between Susan's departure and Vanna's joining the show. Alex Trebek subbing for Chuck in 1980 and for Pat in 1985. Episodes with Johnny Gilbert and Don Morrow announcing in the 80s.
The Couch Potatoes game show week. The on!y episodes circulating are those with Peter Marshall and Janice Pennington.
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WOF episodes with Summer Bartholomew, Vicki McCarty, etc. Filling in between Susan's departure and Vanna's joining the show. Alex Trebek subbing for Chuck in 1980 and for Pat in 1985. Episodes with Johnny Gilbert and Don Morrow announcing in the 80s.
Note the title of the thread. Non-erased.
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WOF episodes with Summer Bartholomew, Vicki McCarty, etc. Filling in between Susan's departure and Vanna's joining the show. Alex Trebek subbing for Chuck in 1980 and for Pat in 1985. Episodes with Johnny Gilbert and Don Morrow announcing in the 80s.
Note the title of the thread. Non-erased.
Some of the stuff he's asking about is out there. Here's an episode (very poor quality) (https://tinyurl.com/y4jkuftr) of Summer standing in. And I know for a fact I've seen a daytime episode with Johnny announcing (though I can't remember the exact date, somewhere in '88 around Jack's death)
How long did NBC wipe daytime? I'd like to see the episodes where Susan came back to fill in when Vanna took time off for bereavement in the mid-80s.
I'll also throw in basically all of NYSI '89 since '74 has been run so often. Still don't understand the disinterest in running the series.
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Here's an episode (very poor quality) of Summer standing in.
Jamey specifically mentioned the period between Susan and Vanna. The clip montage you linked is from 1979.
I'd like to see the episodes where Susan came back to fill in when Vanna took time off for bereavement in the mid-80s.
One of those is out there (June 20, 1986 daytime).
How long did NBC wipe daytime?
I don't think it's 100% clear if it was NBC or Merv Griffin Productions that did the wiping, but apparently the daytime archives start in 1985 or at the beginning of '86.
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I'll also throw in basically all of NYSI '89 since '74 has been run so often. Still don't understand the disinterest in running the series.
So the Chuck Henry embargo was a myth all along?
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Did anyone ever compile a list of episodes that exist out there only because someone recorded it on a home recorder (studio master probably gone)?
Certainly some of Chuck's Wheel of Fortune episodes would qualify; a few nighttime Hollywood Squares from the '70s, two Musical Chairs episodes from Oct '75 to name a few.
I'm sure there are a lot of others I can't think of off the top of my head.
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That week's worth of Three On A Match episodes recorded by the returning champion comes to mind. That, the audio-only copy of the finale posted here a while back and perhaps a few other stray eps. floating around is probably all there is.
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A *lot* of 70s Pyramid episodes fall under this category. I think Pyramid holds the record for most off-air constestant recordings etc. prior to when the holdings begin (June 12-16, 1978)
March 28, 1973 (June Lockhart-Rob Reiner) (First four minutes)
March 30, 1973 (June Lockhart-Rob Reiner) (Second win in history of show)
June 13, 1973 (Kaye Ballard-Richard Deacon) (Preston has said he was the one who recorded it)
March 1, 1976 (Anne Meara-Nipsey Russell) (Sue Dolleris recording)
April 20, 1976 (Marion Ross-Larry Linville) (4 minute clip of Winners Circle)
November 2, 1976 (Phyllis George-David Groh)
November 3, 1976 (Phyllis George-David Groh)
February 9, 1977 (Adrienne Barbeau-Jack Carter)
March 31, 1977 (Carole Ita White-Ron Glass)
September 12-16, 1977 (William Shatner-Leonard Nimoy) (Full week)
October 28, 1977 (Rita Moreno-Tony Randall) (Winner's Circle Only)
February 24, 1978 (Anne Meara-Nipsey Russell) (Marc Archembault recording)
February 27, 1978 (Joyce Bulifant-Ron Glass) (Marc Archembault recording)
April 28, 1978 (Adrienne Barbeau-Soupy Sales)
The two 1976 shows that have been in the hobby (Loretta Swit-Clifton Davis; Jo Anne Worley-Tony Randall) I believe were "rescued" archival master tapes.
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Re: NYSI 89; I would say that there’s not a lot of episodes that would make it worth it, but Beat The Clock got 19 weeks in 79 and so did Split Second in 87, so there’s that.
Maybe NYSI just doesn’t do well enough for Buzzr to justify bringing a newer version of it to their air.
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So the Chuck Henry embargo was a myth all along?
Yes, a while back Adam Nedeff asked someone at GSN why it was never on, and it was simply because no one in programming was interested in airing it.
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So the Chuck Henry embargo was a myth all along?
Yes, a while back Adam Nedeff asked someone at GSN why it was never on, and it was simply because no one in programming was interested in airing it.
Which made for an interesting series of exchanges once that info came out.
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"The Diamond Head Game" when it aired on Sunday nights did not get up to the point when it had some kind of format change I've read about. We did get the infamous "Mercedes Benz" episode Bob talks about in his memoir (though he ends up being way off on a number of details)
Was there a main game format change? The only change I remember was in the bonus round - IIRC, they got rid of the ones (as well as the $1000 and higher bills), only five bills got pulled out of the bag, and the contestant could risk the money for a one-in-five chance of winning a car.
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Going by the Wiki description there was a main game format change. This is the description of the second version which did away with the "islands" part and the True/False buzz-in.
"Two teams of three contestants competed in three question-and-answer rounds. A category was announced, along with five possible answers. Eubanks read a statement and the teams tried to match one of the answers to the statement. Each contestant had their own buzzer. A correct answer earned their team points (10 in round 1, 20 in round 2, and 30 in round 3), while an incorrect answer or failure to respond allowed the opposing team to answer (conferring was allowed here).
"The team with the most points after three rounds advanced to the base of Diamond Head and competed against each other for the right to play the Money Volcano; ties, if any, were broken by sudden-death round. In this part of the game, anything other than a right answer earned a player a strike and two strikes eliminated a player."
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So the Chuck Henry embargo was a myth all along?
Yes, a while back Adam Nedeff asked someone at GSN why it was never on, and it was simply because no one in programming was interested in airing it.
Previous thread?
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So the Chuck Henry embargo was a myth all along?
Yes, a while back Adam Nedeff asked someone at GSN why it was never on, and it was simply because no one in programming was interested in airing it.
Previous thread?
http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31252.0.html