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Title: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: CarpetCrawler on August 16, 2020, 12:12:21 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/16mm-Password-1975-Game-show-with-Paul-Williams/174395407669?hash=item289ac6bd35:g:VS4AAOSwhj9fOEAK

16mm film version of the episode of Password with Betty White hosting while Allen plays from March 27th, 1975 has popped up on eBay.

I'm a total clueless newbie when it comes to this stuff, how easy is it to digitize something like this?
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Eric Paddon on August 16, 2020, 03:08:25 AM
That would depend entirely on the outlet.    You'd have to find a professional who could make a DVD transfer and the rates would vary.

Are you the bidder on this?
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: CarpetCrawler on August 16, 2020, 03:39:46 AM
Are you the bidder on this?

Nope, nor am I the other one!!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Eric Paddon on August 16, 2020, 03:52:24 AM
This might be the sort of thing to bid collectively on (contributions from several members) if it could insure winning it.       The March 14, 1975 issue is in circulation where Mark Goodson plugs Betty hosting in two weeks so this would be from that week.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: SuperMatch93 on August 16, 2020, 04:40:11 AM
This might be the sort of thing to bid collectively on (contributions from several members) if it could insure winning it.       The March 14, 1975 issue is in circulation where Mark Goodson plugs Betty hosting in two weeks so this would be from that week.

If someone with connections for digitizing this wants to organize it, I'm in for contributing.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: DoorNumberFour on August 16, 2020, 08:24:04 AM
I would also contribute.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Allstar87 on August 16, 2020, 10:07:55 AM
I am also willing to contribute!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: BrandonFG on August 16, 2020, 10:46:04 AM
I’ll chip in too.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: vtown7 on August 16, 2020, 11:37:49 AM
Count me in as well!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: MikeK on August 16, 2020, 12:21:53 PM
We did something similar with a pilot 3 or 4 years ago, Make Your Move.  (The title might be different.  I have effectively erased it from my memory since then.)  With that, I'm in.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: NickintheATL on August 16, 2020, 12:23:59 PM
Yeah me and Greg will contribute as well.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: MYosua on August 16, 2020, 12:41:37 PM
I would be interested in contributing as well!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on August 16, 2020, 12:49:31 PM
OK I'll spill: I'm currently the high bidder. However, I'd be happy to join this community effort. My max bid is set to $175.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: WhammyPower on August 16, 2020, 01:05:13 PM
I'll chip in, too.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: rebelwrest on August 16, 2020, 01:28:48 PM
I'll chip in as well.  Although I am expecting a bidding war to commence between us and the Paul Williams fan community.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Clay Zambo on August 16, 2020, 01:29:53 PM
I’m in.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Trisscope on August 16, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
I'll chip in as well.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: mmb5 on August 16, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
In.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: chrisholland03 on August 16, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
In for this one too!

Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: PPatters on August 16, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
I’m in!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: SwohS Emag on August 16, 2020, 02:25:36 PM
Would someone kindly remind me of (or point me to the thread) what I missed out on the last time the Forum took up a collective effort for something rare? Thanks!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: MYosua on August 16, 2020, 02:39:13 PM
Would someone kindly remind me of (or point me to the thread) what I missed out on the last time the Forum took up a collective effort for something rare? Thanks!
The Goodson-Todman pilot "Make Your Move" (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,29574.0.html)
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Marc412 on August 16, 2020, 03:01:36 PM
I’ll put a share in.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Eric Paddon on August 16, 2020, 03:04:50 PM
The bidding I notice suddenly shot up.    I hope no one is this forum is doing that since if we have one designated bidder that all of us can contribute to it should work.    I've done this before with sports auctions and we've also seen collective efforts work on rare WML kinescopes that turned up on e-bay (and which are now on YT)
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on August 16, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
The bidding I notice suddenly shot up.    I hope no one is this forum is doing that since if we have one designated bidder that all of us can contribute to it should work.    I've done this before with sports auctions and we've also seen collective efforts work on rare WML kinescopes that turned up on e-bay (and which are now on YT)
Well, yes it's been me since very early this morning. In a few posts prior to this one though, I expressed that I'll end
my solo bidding and am more than happy to join the forum pool.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: jage on August 16, 2020, 03:30:02 PM
I'm in. Last time it was kept private among the winners. I'd be fine with this, or perhaps not sharing it until after a few months.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: jjman920 on August 16, 2020, 03:36:31 PM
I'd also like to contribute to the effort.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Casey on August 16, 2020, 03:39:22 PM
As would I.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: mmm111 on August 16, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
Count me in too.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: RMF on August 16, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
I'm in.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: weaklink75 on August 16, 2020, 04:30:37 PM
I’m in too- and as an aside, there’s also another Allen Ludden item up too- “You Owe It To Yourself”

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264830772570

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373149599279

From the description:

“This was a game show that was underwritten by the National Association Life Underwriters and aired on Public Broadcasting Service Television. This was a ten-part series that covered various aspects of money management and family finances to show what life insurance, health insurance and estate planing could accomplish for the family's security. Using the quiz show format, the series, created and produced by WITF-TV, in Hershey, Pennsylvania, was made possible by a $75,000 grant from the NALU. Allen Ludden, nationally known quiz-master of "Password," was master of ceremonies.“

(There’s 2 of them available- and the price is lower than the Password one FWIW)
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on August 16, 2020, 04:33:16 PM
Ok all, if this all works for you, let me know.
My current max bid is $175, and $150 is still highest reached bid. I'm happy to be the designated bidder, and I'll still spot the first $150 as I'd love to have the reel itself in my collection after it's been digitized. Beyond that, it'll be a community effort. I wasn't part of the Make Your Move pool, so if there's a better way to go about this let me know.
Thoughts or concerns?
EDIT: This would become a collectible private amongst the invested collectors, so as far as I'm concerned, the video would not be posted on Game Show Vault.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: jimlangefan on August 16, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
I'm in
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Otm Shank on August 16, 2020, 07:45:15 PM
Adding another post to this thread to say I'm in
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: CarpetCrawler on August 16, 2020, 09:11:48 PM
I'm also in!!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Pyramid80 on August 16, 2020, 10:17:23 PM
I’m in!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on August 16, 2020, 10:29:44 PM
Great response thus far, I would only ask that you send me a PM with your email address to track your official contribution commitment. Or just email it to me at flyingchai01@gmail.com

After chatting with a couple of folks, I'll be submitting the final max bid closer to the end of the auction. I will still follow up with all the contributors though via email on Tuesday with the status of our collective bid and will notify everyone prior to submitting the final bid.

Thanks,

Jamie
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Sodboy13 on August 17, 2020, 12:03:39 AM
I'll chip in as well.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: jage on August 17, 2020, 01:17:15 AM
I'm fine with keeping the result private, though do wonder if eventually it makes sense in an archive somewhere, especially since the moment is significant in american television. Would Betty herself want to see this?
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: tvwxman on August 17, 2020, 07:28:03 AM
I'll chip in as well.  Although I am expecting a bidding war to commence between us and the Paul Williams fan community.
Which is probably that one guy they made the Paul Williams documentary about. Look it up. Its actually good. Paul Williams is Alive is the name < i think >
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: tvmitch on August 17, 2020, 07:55:40 AM
I'm in
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Scrabbleship on August 17, 2020, 09:28:40 AM
I'm in.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: CarpetCrawler on August 17, 2020, 02:26:36 PM
I'll chip in as well.  Although I am expecting a bidding war to commence between us and the Paul Williams fan community.
Which is probably that one guy they made the Paul Williams documentary about. Look it up. Its actually good. Paul Williams is Alive is the name < i think >

Paul Williams Still Alive is the name, in fact!!  I love Paul Williams, he rules.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: calliaume on August 18, 2020, 08:28:56 PM
I'm in as well.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: WarioBarker on August 19, 2020, 03:34:47 AM
I'm in...I hope.

The Goodson-Todman pilot "Make Your Move" (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,29574.0.html)
On that subject, I didn't end up getting a copy. While I thought my Paypal transaction went through, Matt O. told me it didn't, which left me mortified and I remain upset at myself about it (and my terrible posts in that thread) to this day. Not just because I didn't double-check that the money went through, but because at least some of it was going to be part of the big charity donation.

Sorry for the off-topic...
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: bscripps on August 19, 2020, 09:56:22 AM
Oh, this was so much fun the last time around.  I'm in!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: urbanpreppie05 on August 19, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
I'm in as well!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: TwoInchQuad on August 22, 2020, 03:41:50 PM
I'll contribute to this. What a great find...!

- Kevin
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: MikeK on August 22, 2020, 07:05:21 PM
The final selling price was $227.50.  Great job, ya scamps!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: JakeT on August 22, 2020, 07:33:06 PM
The final selling price was $227.50.  Great job, ya scamps!

So, does that mean someone here snagged it?  CONGRATS!

JakeT
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on August 22, 2020, 07:46:53 PM
The final selling price was $227.50.  Great job, ya scamps!

So, does that mean someone here snagged it?  CONGRATS!

JakeT

Yessir indeed, we won it!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: gamed121683 on August 22, 2020, 08:06:28 PM
The final selling price was $227.50.  Great job, ya scamps!

So, does that mean someone here snagged it?  CONGRATS!

JakeT

Yessir indeed, we won it!


$227? I didn't know Jackee pitched in :P. Awful jokes aside, congratulations on your newfound treasure!
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Eric Paddon on August 23, 2020, 11:08:46 AM
It will be fascinating to see.     1975 may seem late in time for there to be kinescopes of anything but Armed Forces TV was still using that process as late as 1976.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: PPatters on September 02, 2020, 04:26:41 PM
So, at what point do we get to discuss how AWESOME this was??? Haha
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on September 02, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
So, at what point do we get to discuss how AWESOME this was??? Haha
LOL, Well, I had figured it would be a matter of time until the dust settled and those who didn't mind the world knowing that they earned themselves a copy would want to talk about it.
I'm just a little hesitant for the sake of those that couldn't participate, don't want to make anyone feel excluded.
I'll say this, it'll be my favorite single episode for a long time to come. Well that's it  ;D
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: BrandonFG on September 02, 2020, 05:14:19 PM
I was willing to contribute either way, but since bidding ended, is it still possible to do so?
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on September 02, 2020, 05:46:40 PM
I was willing to contribute either way, but since bidding ended, is it still possible to do so?
I regret not, because the transaction is already completed for both the film reel and digitization, all for which was equally split. You'd now basically be paying cash for just a copy of the episode  :-\
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Eric Paddon on September 02, 2020, 08:20:04 PM
I'll just say this.   There are two moments in the episode that I suspect would have made it a "censored" episode by Buzzr had the tape still existed.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: jage on September 02, 2020, 09:40:05 PM
Dang it, was planning on Emailing and forgot to do so. Donate to a charity? Is there any other episodes on eBay to go after?
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Otm Shank on September 02, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
I'll just say this.   There are two moments in the episode that I suspect would have made it a "censored" episode by Buzzr had the tape still existed.

I've been trying to figure out exactly what Paul Williams said that they blanked it out.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Eric Paddon on September 03, 2020, 04:03:19 AM
He said "sailor".    But it was how he said it and the fact that this was Armed Forces TV that resulted in the censoring which I think was probably left alone in the original ABC run.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: TwoInchQuad on September 03, 2020, 04:17:40 AM
I don't think so, Eric... because you can barely hear the trailing end of the word the first time he says it, and it sounds as though it ends with "--eet".  It definitely ends on a "t" sound.

From watching his lips, I think it's actually "sweet", but in any event, clearly said with a lisp... which is what got it blanked out.

I have no idea how you'd get to "wave" using that clue, but apparently it worked...

- Kevin
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Eric Paddon on September 03, 2020, 04:40:23 AM
I may have been influenced by Betty's aside after that about "they can't keep you out of the navy for that any longer".     If that's what it sounds like I'll defer on that point.

Paul's clue for "watermelon" *really* would have put this on the banned list most likely.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: Blanquepage on September 03, 2020, 07:38:15 AM
I don't think so, Eric... because you can barely hear the trailing end of the word the first time he says it, and it sounds as though it ends with "--eet".  It definitely ends on a "t" sound.

From watching his lips, I think it's actually "sweet", but in any event, clearly said with a lisp... which is what got it blanked out.

I have no idea how you'd get to "wave" using that clue, but apparently it worked...

- Kevin
I thought it was "straight", enunciated as "steeeee-raight" followed by a rather feminine flourish.
Title: Re: eBay find: 16mm film version of Password episode with Allen Ludden playing
Post by: JMFabiano on September 03, 2020, 10:55:52 AM
I was willing to contribute either way, but since bidding ended, is it still possible to do so?
I regret not, because the transaction is already completed for both the film reel and digitization, all for which was equally split. You'd now basically be paying cash for just a copy of the episode  :-\

A shame as I'd love to procure a copy of this as well.