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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: jlgarfield on June 12, 2020, 10:54:36 PM
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Hi, all. I've been watching a few eps of Super Pay Cards! and it had me thinking: Is this the ONLY game show that does not rely on "perishable" information (as in stuff that could become outdated, or has finite answers, like trivia questions, word puzzles, vanity license plates [looking at Bumper Stumpers], the like), and is a purely luck-driven game? Hmm....
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Deal Or No Deal? Any number of lottery game shows?
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Could we put Beat the Clock in this category as well?
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^ Yes, that counts.
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Hi, all. I've been watching a few eps of Super Pay Cards! and it had me thinking: Is this the ONLY game show that does not rely on "perishable" information (as in stuff that could become outdated, or has finite answers, like trivia questions, word puzzles, vanity license plates [looking at Bumper Stumpers], the like), and is a purely luck-driven game? Hmm....
There is definitely a high element of luck with Super Pay Cards, but there's also trying to memorize where cards are on the board, as a card that is of no use to you at that time may become useful for you later.
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I argue that survey driven games are not perishable. Ask the same topical question in 1980, 2000, and 2020, and you get way different responses.
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I argue that survey driven games are not perishable. Ask the same topical question in 1980, 2000, and 2020, and you get way different responses.
You would still need to conduct the surveys, though. If I'm viewing this from the standpoint of "what games do I not need to write material for", then Feud or Card Sharks would not qualify.
Lingo would also be on the list, and while it does use one nine-letter word per show, it's such a minimal drag on the process that I'd include Countdown.
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I argue that survey driven games are not perishable. Ask the same topical question in 1980, 2000, and 2020, and you get way different responses.
Doesn't that mean the game IS perishable? If the question asked in 1975 wouldn't get the same answers today, then it is past its use.
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I argue that survey driven games are not perishable. Ask the same topical question in 1980, 2000, and 2020, and you get way different responses.
Feud redid a survey at least once during its ABC run, and got a different #1 answer - "Name a famous Henry." IIRC, the first time, #1 was Fonda; the second time, either during or right after the Happy Days "boom," it was Winkler.
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Original Password could count, probably not Plus or Super though since the puzzles could be products of their time.
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I'll nominate 1960s Beat the Odds, although one could argue that words "added" in the decades since then wouldn't have been allowed. "S, G, 7 exactly." "SEXTING?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHZynlQ3cmk
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High Rollers and Gambit are both luck-driven and if it's all hints from Heloise you could argue that etiquette doesn't really perish.
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I'll nominate 1960s Beat the Odds, although one could argue that words "added" in the decades since then wouldn't have been allowed. "S, G, 7 exactly." "SEXTING?"
Piggybacking on your point, even on games like Pyramid, difficulty goes up and down as new phrases, titles, etc. enter common parlance. When I was hosting Pyramid online around 2010 or so, I had "THINGS THAT MATTER" at the top of the pyramid. In 2013, that category became considerably easier.
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High Rollers and Gambit are both luck-driven and if it's all hints from Heloise you could argue that etiquette doesn't really perish.
Even the etiquette trivia is still perishable, because social norms change over the years.
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Piggybacking on your point, even on games like Pyramid, difficulty goes up and down as new phrases, titles, etc. enter common parlance. When I was hosting Pyramid online around 2010 or so, I had "THINGS THAT MATTER" at the top of the pyramid. In 2013, that category became considerably easier.
The biggest problem with Pyramid is that everyone who's a fan of the game have had years and years to find "on the nose" clues to all the Winner's Circle subjects that could possibly come up. I can't write a board with "Things that are warped" as a subject because everyone already knows what to say.
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Win, Lose, or Draw or Pictionary? I don't remember the puzzles being too topical, but I haven't seen either one in years.
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The biggest problem with Pyramid is that everyone who's a fan of the game have had years and years to find "on the nose" clues to all the Winner's Circle subjects that could possibly come up. I can't write a board with "Things that are warped" as a subject because everyone already knows what to say.
Excellent point, and you can't come up with too many never-before-used categories without going into Pyramid 2003 territory.
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Piggybacking on your point, even on games like Pyramid, difficulty goes up and down as new phrases, titles, etc. enter common parlance.
Which just got driven home in spades on this week's Match Game, obviously recorded in the Before Times:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGzh2CP.png)
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The biggest problem with Pyramid is that everyone who's a fan of the game have had years and years to find "on the nose" clues to all the Winner's Circle subjects that could possibly come up. I can't write a board with "Things that are warped" as a subject because everyone already knows what to say.
Excellent point, and you can't come up with too many never-before-used categories without going into Pyramid 2003 territory.
Trust me, this is one of the reasons why we're playing Pyramid less and less in my neck of the woods: everyone's pretty much mastered it. I know of at least one person during the Throwdowns who adopted the tactic of just blurting out the most obvious answer for a given category in the front game since I used to front-load the easier words and ramp it up as the list progressed. Had to stop doing that after I saw it happen.
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I know of at least one person during the Throwdowns who adopted the tactic of just blurting out the most obvious answer for a given category in the front game since I used to front-load the easier words and ramp it up as the list progressed. Had to stop doing that after I saw it happen.
And the problem is if you stick that word in fifth or so, or even leave it off the list, that guy is gonna keep blurting it out until it shows up. That sounds almost more like a player problem.
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That sounds almost more like a player problem.
Agreed. The number of times I've seen that used as a perpetual, earnest strategy is 0, and I've played a LOT of Pyramid. Going easy-to-hard is absolutely the right way to keep the games competitive.
-Jason
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Excellent point, and you can't come up with too many never-before-used categories without going into Pyramid 2003 territory.
I would think that the better answer (especially for our purposes if we're running an evening of fun to raise money for Extra Life) is that we all accept that the people who are going to sign up to play Pyramid is self-selecting is to introduce challenge levels by volunteering to knock increments of seconds off the clock.
As to Tim's issue with the front game: 1) the front game is the qualifier and is just talking so who cares as long as the material doesn't go into the ditch and 2) make it clear that we're not booking people who jump the turnstile and start guessing before clues are forthcoming. Or allow it because see (1).
I do not recall ever not seeing 7-11 when I was a youth on $25,000 Pyramid so the show has been part of my life for either 87% or 90% whether on or off the air. That coincides with gaining confidence and vocabulary. Unless we want to start throwing weeder topics in the 300 box (Things you expurgate, anyone?) I think we need to accept that everyone has taken Pyramid as a 401 class and lean into that if we're going to run it.
/real truth I would find "What Ben Franklin's false teeth" less crapitudinous than Expurgte.
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/real truth I would find "What Ben Franklin's false teeth" less crapitudinous than Expurgte.
"Things that are crapitudinous"
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The biggest problem with Pyramid is that everyone who's a fan of the game have had years and years to find "on the nose" clues to all the Winner's Circle subjects that could possibly come up. I can't write a board with "Things that are warped" as a subject because everyone already knows what to say.
I feel you. Either I'm playing $100,000 Tournament-level Pyramid with people who know and love the show or, when hosting at conventions, get people who are clueless with the game and struggle to get to double digits on the front game.
/Vans' Tour
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For those of us playing along at home, what are clues to "things that matter?" And what's the obvious clue for "things that are warped?"
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For those of us playing along at home, what are clues to "things that matter?" And what's the obvious clue for "things that are warped?"
Things that matter before 2013 would have been very difficult, but now all you have to say is "Black lives."
"Things that are warped" was the first $100,000 winning category, and almost all of us have seen it.
https://youtu.be/C9aDsFi9cwA
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Above, I submitted "Vans' Tour" for "Things That Are Warped". "Rocky Horror's Time" comes to mind as well.
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Above, I submitted "Vans' Tour" for "Things That Are Warped". "Rocky Horror's Time" comes to mind as well.
Back in the PYLP days, I was fairly inconsistent at determining the legality of clues. Would this, in fact be permissible? If the category was "Things that are Brown", could someone say "Cleveland's football team"?
Saying "Van's Tour" strikes me as an end-around instead of honing in on things that are actually warped.
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My first thought to Things that are Warped was a vinyl record.
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Saying "Van's Tour" strikes me as an end-around instead of honing in on things that are actually warped.
The classic example of an end-around was "dog('s) bugs" for THINGS AT A FLEA MARKET. Certainly, one might find those there (particularly in today's dogs-are-allowed-everywhere society), but the ONLY reason you're saying it is to surreptitiously convey the word flea. This was a fairly consistent rule in the '80s; one that never made it formally into any home games, Dick Clark-era bibles, etc., however.
I'm 99% certain Vans' Tour is fine.
-Jason
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Saying "Van's Tour" strikes me as an end-around instead of honing in on things that are actually warped.
The classic example of an end-around was "dog('s) bugs" for THINGS AT A FLEA MARKET. Certainly, one might find those there (particularly in today's dogs-are-allowed-everywhere society), but the ONLY reason you're saying it is to surreptitiously convey the word flea.
Great example. Two other examples I mentioned to Mark in our conversation were "Betty" for "Things that are white", and "A great lake" for "Things that are superior".
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Although isn't the last one different. It is called Lake Superior because it is literally Superior in size to the other 4.
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But they did zap that clue for superior. Unless they had great/superior as synonymous, I disagree with their call. Charlie Siebert argued that case, and they played him off with the music like he went 5 seconds too long on an awards speech. Dick's suggestion of "head nun mother" was marginal, I felt, because it's leading you into the title "Mother Superior."
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"The head nun mother? That isn't even English!"
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But they did zap that clue for superior. Unless they had great/superior as synonymous, I disagree with their call.
Great and superior are absolutely synonyms. One of the given definitions for 'superior' on dictionary.com is "greater in quantity or amount".
Also, apropos of nothing, I would think the definitive clue for "Things that are Warped" would have to be "Tupperware lids".
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And what's the obvious clue for "things that are warped?"
"A mistreated record."
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Dick's suggestion of "head nun mother" was marginal, I felt, because it's leading you into the title "Mother Superior."
It's also nonsense, which is illegal.
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And what's the obvious clue for "things that are warped?"
"A mistreated record."
"A Deranged mind"?
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And what's the obvious clue for "things that are warped?"
"A mistreated record."
"A Deranged mind"?
"A dark sense of humor"? Didn't someone win one of the tournaments with "wet wood"? That to me is the perfect clue, especially if you say wet or untreated wooden floors.
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"A Deranged mind"?
I'd totally buzz that clue on synonym grounds.
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And what's the obvious clue for "things that are warped?"
"A mistreated record."
Or even "A melted record".
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And what's the obvious clue for "things that are warped?"
"A mistreated record."
Super Mario's later levels.
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A "Star Trek" ship
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"A ninja's wall" just came to mind, though that might get buzzed just for referring to a show on another network. :-P