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Title: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: JakeT on January 29, 2020, 10:06:22 PM

Anyone know why the current champ Frank on the episodes BUZZR is showing was deemed ineligible and forfeited his winnings?


JakeT
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: BrandonFG on January 29, 2020, 10:51:47 PM
Outside of a thread from a little more than three years ago (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,28866.msg353306.html#msg353306), I haven't seen too much about this. I'm curious myself.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: Matt Ottinger on January 30, 2020, 11:42:20 AM
Without a lot to go on, let's guess!  It would strike me that the most likely reason to be found ineligible after the fact was that he lied on his application and they didn't catch it right away.  Maybe he worked for a CBS affiliate, or maybe he had been on another game show within whatever time frame CBS dictated.

The thing I don't understand all these years later is why they went to the extra effort of bringing attention to it.  Just don't pay the guy.  Did he piss somebody off so much that they wanted to embarrass him over it?
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: Bryce L. on January 30, 2020, 11:54:22 AM
The thing I don't understand all these years later is why they went to the extra effort of bringing attention to it.  Just don't pay the guy.  Did he piss somebody off so much that they wanted to embarrass him over it?
Considering that Frank's final episode ended with them starting a new match, it would've looked weird to come back on Monday morning with a new guy behind the red podium with zero explanation.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: Matt Ottinger on January 30, 2020, 12:11:02 PM
Considering that Frank's final episode ended with them starting a new match, it would've looked weird to come back on Monday morning with a new guy behind the red podium with zero explanation.

I'm actually referring to the comments made in the older thread that said Gene Wood made a special announcement over the end credits of a previous episode.  Yeah, if you're going to throw the guy out, a quick mention at the top of the show is all you need.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: Matt Ottinger on January 30, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
The other thing is that if they caught this midstream, before he had finished his run, it's possible that somebody on the floor recognized him and brought the issue to the appropriate party.

I actually know somebody that happened to, though it was caught before he got the chance to even play.  I'll keep things very generic to avoid naming names, but he had successfully applied to be on a show, and had made it into the studio, minutes away from playing as a contestant, when an industry professional recognized him to be an industry professional, and he was sent packing.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: tyshaun1 on January 30, 2020, 12:43:06 PM
I actually know somebody that happened to, though it was caught before he got the chance to even play.  I'll keep things very generic to avoid naming names, but he had successfully applied to be on a show, and had made it into the studio, minutes away from playing as a contestant, when an industry professional recognized him to be an industry professional, and he was sent packing.

Funny thing is Randy West got away with this (at least) twice.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: chrisholland03 on January 30, 2020, 12:46:58 PM
I actually know somebody that happened to, though it was caught before he got the chance to even play.  I'll keep things very generic to avoid naming names, but he had successfully applied to be on a show, and had made it into the studio, minutes away from playing as a contestant, when an industry professional recognized him to be an industry professional, and he was sent packing.

Funny thing is Randy West got away with this (at least) twice.

It will be interesting to see his response since you called him out.  He likely has some additional facts to dispel the accusation made, which will alleviate your concern.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: tyshaun1 on January 30, 2020, 08:46:07 PM
I actually know somebody that happened to, though it was caught before he got the chance to even play.  I'll keep things very generic to avoid naming names, but he had successfully applied to be on a show, and had made it into the studio, minutes away from playing as a contestant, when an industry professional recognized him to be an industry professional, and he was sent packing.

Funny thing is Randy West got away with this (at least) twice.

It will be interesting to see his response since you called him out.  He likely has some additional facts to dispel the accusation made, which will alleviate your concern.

I didn't "call him out", as you put it. He's told the story of what happened several times.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: MSTieScott on January 31, 2020, 08:04:12 PM
I'm actually referring to the comments made in the older thread that said Gene Wood made a special announcement over the end credits of a previous episode.  Yeah, if you're going to throw the guy out, a quick mention at the top of the show is all you need.

I disagree. The Friday episode led viewers to believe that Frank would receive $18,000+ for playing Card Sharks. If the episode ends without the show acknowledging that that isn't true -- even though the producers knew, before the episode aired, that that wasn't true -- that could be considered deceitful. And we know what happened the last time game shows tried to deceive the home audience.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: Otm Shank on February 04, 2020, 03:21:36 AM
That does make a lot of sense, that they need to make that disclaimer to retract what we already witnessed. However, there was no such disclaimer on the Thursday show apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj_UMRnhrX8

The Friday show had the disclaimer when the show ended 2 questions into the first round, which was rebooted on Monday with the same challenger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqu2g2e5mf8

I think it would have been tidier to call out the disclaimer on the other episodes, too, particularly since they had the time at the end for a regular read. But, it is also possible they overthought this ... if the viewer hears they declared someone ineligible on Thursday, does the viewer wonder why the champion comes back on Friday? Also, they might have felt that announcing a player is ineligible the day before, the viewers would know the result is a wipe. Again, a lot of overthinking, and obviously the suits went over all the options with S&P.

As for the disclaimer being necessary after Bob revealed the ineligibility: that is a boilerplate statement that continues to this day, mentioning which player is ineligible and they would not receive the prizes. Because Bob didn't cover all the legalese, that's probably what lead to the decision to insert the voiceover on the Friday show.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: calliaume on February 06, 2020, 11:12:08 AM
Just did a quick Google search - one of the other boards said two years ago that "Frank was out of the game due to being associated with an acting career on a different show."

I'm dubious about this claim (both Jenny Lewis and Kellie Martin had appeared on Life With Lucy, among other programs, before their Young People's Week appearances) - unless he didn't disclose it beforehand.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: tyshaun1 on February 06, 2020, 07:58:24 PM
Just did a quick Google search - one of the other boards said two years ago that "Frank was out of the game due to being associated with an acting career on a different show."


Interesting that would be the case when most contestants at that point were struggling/aspiring actors.
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: Unrealtor on February 18, 2020, 08:14:52 PM
Just to spitball on the idea that it was his acting career that caused him to be ineligible, might having a role on a show produced by and/or aired on CBS, even as just a day player, cause someone to fall into the category of "CBS employee?"
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: tvmitch on February 19, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
Just to spitball on the idea that it was his acting career that caused him to be ineligible, might having a role on a show produced by and/or aired on CBS, even as just a day player, cause someone to fall into the category of "CBS employee?"
I'm curious about this, but in a different vein. Syndicated Millionaire comes to mind. That show aired on just about all the stations in my market over its many years. If I worked for a TV station that had aired the show in the past but was not airing it now, would I be eligible? Do these rules only apply to on-air talent, or all station personnel?
Title: Re: 80's Card Sharks - Ineligibility
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on February 19, 2020, 07:51:12 PM
I'm curious about this, but in a different vein. Syndicated Millionaire comes to mind. That show aired on just about all the stations in my market over its many years. If I worked for a TV station that had aired the show in the past but was not airing it now, would I be eligible? Do these rules only apply to on-air talent, or all station personnel?

Definitely applies to all station personnel.  My understanding from at least Jeopardy (and thus Wheel) is if you work at a station that airs the show, you're ineligible until either five years after the station drops the show or you've moved on.  If you join a station that dropped them, say, three years ago? My assumption is that you'd still retain eligibility. At my J! audition three years ago, I know Maggie distinctly asked me about currently as well as whether I had in the last few years - and I am the opposite of on-air talent.