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The Game Show Forum => GSN® and BUZZR TV® => Topic started by: golden-road on September 12, 2019, 02:24:21 PM

Title: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: golden-road on September 12, 2019, 02:24:21 PM
https://youtu.be/5ZtJKCfe9Oo
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: aaron sica on September 12, 2019, 03:14:01 PM
The other big one beginning 9/30.........MG/HS weeknights at 10pm, Saturdays at 8pm, Sundays at 3pm.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Hastin on September 12, 2019, 04:18:15 PM
The other big one beginning 9/30.........MG/HS weeknights at 10pm, Saturdays at 8pm, Sundays at 3pm.

This is a big chunk of the primetime daily lineup to take considering how tame MG is (and how lame the HS game is). Weekend airings would have been nice.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Pyramid80 on September 12, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
I for one am excited to see Split Second coming to Buzzr.  I haven’t seen this show since the mid 90’s on The Family Channel. 
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Strikerz04 on September 12, 2019, 09:56:07 PM
When i saw LMAD on Buzzr back in ‘16, I thought “Split second couldn’t be that far behind...”


Yet here we are. I am shocked.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Casey Buck on September 12, 2019, 10:09:52 PM
If I'm not mistaken, isn't LMAD the only Hatos-Hall show that Fremantle owns outright? If not, maybe Buzzr is slowly dipping their toe into licensing shows from outside companies.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: tvwxman on September 13, 2019, 06:13:17 AM
Query: What is the status of the Hatos-Hall shows? Are they intact or destroyed? Is there any chance Split Second with Tom could be shown? Cause, IMHO, it was light years better than Monty's.

And, given Masked Singer's success, why hasn't someone looked at Masquerade Party for a nice little GSN offering?
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: SuperMatch93 on September 13, 2019, 07:02:25 AM
Query: What is the status of the Hatos-Hall shows? Are they intact or destroyed? Is there any chance Split Second with Tom could be shown? Cause, IMHO, it was light years better than Monty's.

AFAIK, ABC Split Second is mostly gone. Shame too, because from what I've seen it was quite fun and intense for an early '70s quizzer. I want to say the network reused either those tapes or Password's tapes for Family Feud.

Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: BillCullen1 on September 13, 2019, 10:10:47 AM
Query: What is the status of the Hatos-Hall shows? Are they intact or destroyed? Is there any chance Split Second with Tom could be shown? Cause, IMHO, it was light years better than Monty's.

AFAIK, ABC Split Second is mostly gone. Shame too, because from what I've seen it was quite fun and intense for an early '70s quizzer. I want to say the network reused either those tapes or Password's tapes for Family Feud.

Wiki confirms this. Too bad. I thought Tom Kennedy's SS was one of his best shows.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: TLEberle on September 13, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
Wiki confirms this.
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Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: aaron sica on September 13, 2019, 11:36:12 AM
Wiki confirms this.
...

Agreed. I trust Wiki for information like this as much as I trust a telemarketer.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: SuperMatch93 on September 13, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
At first I took their word on this since ABC was prone to wiping during that era, but then I remembered that there were clips from a couple episodes in that special Monty Hall hosted in 1975, so who knows?
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: JakeT on September 13, 2019, 07:34:48 PM
And, given Masked Singer's success, why hasn't someone looked at Masquerade Party for a nice little GSN offering?

And have you seen "Masquerade Party"?  One viewing and you have your answer...

JakeT
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: tvwxman on September 13, 2019, 10:44:32 PM
And, given Masked Singer's success, why hasn't someone looked at Masquerade Party for a nice little GSN offering?

And have you seen "Masquerade Party"?  One viewing and you have your answer...

JakeT
I have. And I stand by my original opinion.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Allstar87 on September 13, 2019, 11:37:11 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Masquerade Party rerun, I enjoyed the one episode of the 1974 version that's floating around the trading circuit.

Hopefully that's not the only episode of the 1974 version that exists today!
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: RMF on September 17, 2019, 05:53:52 PM
Query: What is the status of the Hatos-Hall shows? Are they intact or destroyed?

Nineteen years ago, someone on alt.tv.game-shows who claimed to be doing research in surviving materials claimed to have found 20 episodes of NBC LMaD (largely of the prime-time run) at the Library of Congress, and that Hatos-Hall ended up with "over 500 eps." of the ABC LMaD when they found out ABC still had them:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.game-shows/TtOukZGYlWg

Granted, this is one show, and there are aspects of its accuracy that are hard to check (for a start, I'm not sure who, exactly, is making this claim)- but there are several aspects of its implications (the fact that 500 episodes would only equal about two years of the daytime run, the implication that this was stuff Hatos-Hall obtained years after the fact) that wouldn't exactly seem promising with regards to the ABC run of Split Second, as it suggests that Hatos-Hall weren't maintaining an archive during the original run.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on September 17, 2019, 09:12:02 PM
I ran the e-mail address of "gameshowking@yahoo.com" through a Google Groups search.  It could have been spoofed, but that address came back to Jaimal Ware.  I believe he's jimlangefan around these parts.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Argo on October 07, 2019, 12:36:36 PM
Clean Split Second Music!!.

If these are the same recordings that GameTV in Canada aired a few years ago, there are some episodes that have audio mix issues, resulting in clean music and sound effects on one channel. From the few episodes I recorded from GameTV, I was able to get a clean opening, countdown round, bonus round board reveals, bumper music and almost complete end theme. I know all music has been on TVPMM for awhile now, but audio quality from the episodes is much clearer.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: TimK2003 on October 07, 2019, 05:54:09 PM
Havent been home at the time SS airs, but did Buzzr keep those 5-second home viewer quizzes coming back from the breaks?
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: jimlangefan on October 07, 2019, 06:24:10 PM
Havent been home at the time SS airs, but did Buzzr keep those 5-second home viewer quizzes coming back from the breaks?

As of yet, they have not.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 08, 2019, 09:48:43 AM
I enjoyed the one episode of the 1974 version that's floating around the trading circuit.
Hopefully that's not the only episode of the 1974 version that exists today!

You always want to hope that syndicated shows from that era are still gathering dust somewhere.  Plus, Monty owned the rights to that version, which if EOTVGS is to be believed, had a bunch of familiar game show people as guests.  Not to mention Richard Dawson as host.  Plus it was weekly, so there can't be more than a few dozen episodes total.  Come on, Buzzr, make this happen!
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Kniwt on October 11, 2019, 10:24:49 AM
The few existing episodes of Kennedy SS are exciting, intense, free-wheeling, and fast. While it's good that Monty's version is basically the same game (and the extra "1" in the Countdown Round is actually a good change), the show is just so ... friendly. That fake blue sky, the chattiness, the low-budget '80s synth theme and background -- all of that takes a great format and somehow makes it all seem so bland.

I think someone else said elsewhere that Monty seemed out of his element hosting a straight quizzer, but the flaws go deeper than that. Nonetheless, it's totally awesome (dude) that this version is back on the air... and, yes, I'm watching more than I thought I would. (And I'd really love to have that Fiero GT. :) )
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: BrandonFG on October 11, 2019, 04:03:04 PM
The few existing episodes of Kennedy SS are exciting, intense, free-wheeling, and fast. While it's good that Monty's version is basically the same game (and the extra "1" in the Countdown Round is actually a good change), the show is just so ... friendly. That fake blue sky, the chattiness, the low-budget '80s synth theme and background -- all of that takes a great format and somehow makes it all seem so bland.

I think someone else said elsewhere that Monty seemed out of his element hosting a straight quizzer, but the flaws go deeper than that. Nonetheless, it's totally awesome (dude) that this version is back on the air... and, yes, I'm watching more than I thought I would. (And I'd really love to have that Fiero GT. :) )
That Fiero was my dream car as a kid. :)

My observation is that Monty was a little too charming as host, which is not a bad thing, but it seems jarring for a fast-paced trivia game. IMO, the big flaws were that it was a fast-paced, difficult trivia game that was also lenient on the judging. I think those two factors, along with the overall Canadian friendliness took away some of the drama.

I loved the set layout, even though I always thought the clouds were random. Someone else mentioned that it fit in well with the lightning bolt logo.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: JakeT on October 11, 2019, 06:29:40 PM
The few existing episodes of Kennedy SS are exciting, intense, free-wheeling, and fast. While it's good that Monty's version is basically the same game (and the extra "1" in the Countdown Round is actually a good change), the show is just so ... friendly. That fake blue sky, the chattiness, the low-budget '80s synth theme and background -- all of that takes a great format and somehow makes it all seem so bland.

"Bland" is definitely the best descriptor...the Kennedy version was an edge-of-your-seat fun time...the Hall version leaves you feeling, "thank God this is finally over"...

JakeT
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: JakeT on October 11, 2019, 06:32:18 PM
I loved the set layout, even though I always thought the clouds were random. Someone else mentioned that it fit in well with the lightning bolt logo.

The clouds would have made more sense in the Kennedy version as a throwback to "You Don't Say"...

Yup...the 80's "Split Second" looked a bit too "happy churchy" for me...

JakeT
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: SuperMatch93 on October 11, 2019, 10:16:26 PM
Did 80s Split Second have a studio audience? I was watching earlier and the applause sounds flatter than most sweetened audiences I've heard.

The few episodes of the ABC series I've seen have an audience that sounds more genuine; even if they did use a McKenzie, I love how the crowd goes wild at the end of the Countdown Round every show.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Casey Buck on October 11, 2019, 10:19:40 PM
The big problem of 80s Split Second is that they ruined the whole buzz-in routine by having the answers revealed after the question, rather than before the question. Instead of having the players try and anticipate the question (and risking answering too soon), it's just a glorified buzzer race.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Chief-O on October 11, 2019, 11:39:44 PM
Did 80s Split Second have a studio audience? I was watching earlier and the applause sounds flatter than most sweetened audiences I've heard.

It sounded to me that there were probably just a few people in there (I've heard occasional minor reactions that certainly sounded real). There just wasn't enough energy in the room, and the lack of an audience can certainly make that obvious.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 14, 2019, 06:38:41 PM
On the show aired on 10/14, Monty almost signed off without revealing which panel had the word "car" behind it. Fortunately, he caught that and showed it.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: TLEberle on October 14, 2019, 08:26:08 PM
The few existing episodes of Kennedy SS are exciting, intense, free-wheeling, and fast. While it's good that Monty's version is basically the same game (and the extra "1" in the Countdown Round is actually a good change),
Perhaps you mistyped.

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the low-budget '80s synth theme and background
Excuse me--the music was possibly the best thing about the show. Sandy Hoyt is in there too.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Chief-O on October 15, 2019, 12:00:42 AM
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the low-budget '80s synth theme and background
Excuse me--the music was possibly the best thing about the show. Sandy Hoyt is in there too. (Bolding mine. -C-O)


Not a hot take.

/As I skim through a recent YouTube upload past one of the contestant intros
//The guy bought a fixer-upper in 1983...."and is still fixing it up" as of '86
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Dan88 on October 23, 2019, 03:03:07 AM
It's been said that Split Second debuted December 15, 1986. Anyone know where that date came from?

I ask because not only have I been unable to find anything supporting it, but I was sent these TV listing snippets (https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=Split+Second&lnd=1&ymd=1986-12-01&offset=2&t=10943&p_place=Canada) (from the Windsor Star, 12/1/86) that indicate the show debuted on CHCH two weeks earlier on December 1.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Bryce L. on October 23, 2019, 03:15:40 AM
It's been said that Split Second debuted December 15, 1986. Anyone know where that date came from?
EOTVGS 3rd Edition has 12-15-1986. Not sure where they got that from, though.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Sodboy13 on October 23, 2019, 10:29:27 AM
It's been said that Split Second debuted December 15, 1986. Anyone know where that date came from?

I ask because not only have I been unable to find anything supporting it, but I was sent these TV listing snippets (https://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=Split+Second&lnd=1&ymd=1986-12-01&offset=2&t=10943&p_place=Canada) (from the Windsor Star, 12/1/86) that indicate the show debuted on CHCH two weeks earlier on December 1.
I believe someone else posted here that the first couple of weeks of the show aired only in Canada, so that may line up.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: calliaume on October 23, 2019, 12:09:59 PM
Per New York magazine, first air date on WABC Channel 7 was 12/15/86 at 10:30 AM.

https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: aaron sica on October 23, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
Per New York magazine, first air date on WABC Channel 7 was 12/15/86 at 10:30 AM.

https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)

An obvious error in the listings...No way that Daytime Jeopardy (or "Jeopardy II" as it was known in the listings) and Split Second aired for 2 days only for Oprah to air W-T-F...
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Scrabbleship on October 23, 2019, 12:28:18 PM
Per New York magazine, first air date on WABC Channel 7 was 12/15/86 at 10:30 AM.

https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)

An obvious error in the listings...No way that Daytime Jeopardy (or "Jeopardy II" as it was known in the listings) and Split Second aired for 2 days only for Oprah to air W-T-F...

The listings in question went Wednesday-Tuesday.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: aaron sica on October 23, 2019, 12:50:20 PM
The listings in question went Wednesday-Tuesday.

That's quite the confusing way to do listings...
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: calliaume on October 23, 2019, 12:54:19 PM
Per New York magazine, first air date on WABC Channel 7 was 12/15/86 at 10:30 AM.

https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=n-cCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)

An obvious error in the listings...No way that Daytime Jeopardy (or "Jeopardy II" as it was known in the listings) and Split Second aired for 2 days only for Oprah to air W-T-F...

The listings in question went Wednesday-Tuesday.
Correct.  The listings were for Wednesday, December 10 through Tuesday, December 16.

WABC programmed Oprah Winfrey at 10 AM when it launched, and realized quickly they had a phenomenon on their hands, so switched it to 4:00 PM to go head-to-head with Phil Donahue, starting December 15. The station was running Jeopardy at 4 and Rafferty Card Sharks at 4:30, so they switched time slots - but since WABC couldn't run Rafferty Card Sharks before 4 PM (in order to avoid competition with CBS's network run), Split Second ran instead. A few weeks later, WABC opened up the 7:00 PM slot for Jeopardy, which cause a small kerfuffle among TV critics (all of the New York stations had always run network news at 7, so this was a major change; within a few years all three stations had moved the network news to 6:30).
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: aaron sica on October 23, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
WABC programmed Oprah Winfrey at 10 AM when it launched, and realized quickly they had a phenomenon on their hands, so switched it to 4:00 PM to go head-to-head with Phil Donahue, starting December 15. The station was running Jeopardy at 4 and Rafferty Card Sharks at 4:30, so they switched time slots - but since WABC couldn't run Rafferty Card Sharks before 4 PM (in order to avoid competition with CBS's network run), Split Second ran instead. A few weeks later, WABC opened up the 7:00 PM slot for Jeopardy, which cause a small kerfuffle among TV critics (all of the New York stations had always run network news at 7, so this was a major change; within a few years all three stations had moved the network news to 6:30).

Although not in the listings at that point, I remember Card Sharks winding up at 5am on WABC eventually.

I can't put a date on when WNBC moved the network news to 7, but I know WCBS did it in the fall of '88 for Win, Lose, or Draw.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Scrabbleship on October 23, 2019, 03:08:19 PM
WABC programmed Oprah Winfrey at 10 AM when it launched, and realized quickly they had a phenomenon on their hands, so switched it to 4:00 PM to go head-to-head with Phil Donahue, starting December 15. The station was running Jeopardy at 4 and Rafferty Card Sharks at 4:30, so they switched time slots - but since WABC couldn't run Rafferty Card Sharks before 4 PM (in order to avoid competition with CBS's network run), Split Second ran instead. A few weeks later, WABC opened up the 7:00 PM slot for Jeopardy, which cause a small kerfuffle among TV critics (all of the New York stations had always run network news at 7, so this was a major change; within a few years all three stations had moved the network news to 6:30).

Although not in the listings at that point, I remember Card Sharks winding up at 5am on WABC eventually.

I can't put a date on when WNBC moved the network news to 7, but I know WCBS did it in the fall of '88 for Win, Lose, or Draw.

WNBC gave up the ghost and moved Nightly News to 6:30 in September 1991.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Dan88 on October 23, 2019, 03:51:31 PM
Per New York magazine, first air date on WABC Channel 7 was 12/15/86 at 10:30 AM.

[link snipped]
Thanks!

Even so, I'm inclined to stick with the 12/1/86 debut date, not just because it was a Canadian production (and hence an earlier debut date there would supersede any US one) but also because it wasn't the only Canadian game show that year to debut later in the States (Chain Reaction and Love Me Love Me Not being the others).
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: splinkynip on October 23, 2019, 04:24:49 PM

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WABC programmed Oprah Winfrey at 10 AM when it launched, and realized quickly they had a phenomenon on their hands, so switched it to 4:00 PM to go head-to-head with Phil Donahue, starting December 15. The station was running Jeopardy at 4 and Rafferty Card Sharks at 4:30, so they switched time slots - but since WABC couldn't run Rafferty Card Sharks before 4 PM (in order to avoid competition with CBS's network run), Split Second ran instead. A few weeks later, WABC opened up the 7:00 PM slot for Jeopardy, which cause a small kerfuffle among TV critics (all of the New York stations had always run network news at 7, so this was a major change; within a few years all three stations had moved the network news to 6:30).
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The same day that Split Second premiered on 12/15/1986 was when all the changes took place on WABC. Year-old Jeopardy reruns aired at 10AM, Split Second at 10:30, Oprah moved to 4PM, bumping the current season of Jeopardy to 7PM where it remains 33 years later. Hollywood Squares stayed at 7:30, Card Sharks moved to 5AM then 4:30 (still Monday to Friday and not Tuesday through Saturday early morning). For awhile I think it was paired up with Elaine Joyce Dating Game.

ABC network news moved to 6:30 that night, which was big news back in the day and pretty unheard of. WCBS did follow by moving its news to 6:30 September 1988 to make way for syndicated Win Lose or Draw second season (which didn’t last long... moved back to weekend late nights in January). WNBC finally switched in September of 1991 to make room for Love Connection which was suddenly doing well around the country, and later flipped with Cops reruns.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: trainman on October 24, 2019, 01:12:27 AM
The listings in question went Wednesday-Tuesday.

That's quite the confusing way to do listings...

TV Guide began as Friday-to-Thursday (and switched to the familiar Saturday-to-Friday about 15 months later, then to Sunday-to-Saturday about 50 years later).
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: aaron sica on October 24, 2019, 06:38:03 AM
TV Guide began as Friday-to-Thursday (and switched to the familiar Saturday-to-Friday about 15 months later, then to Sunday-to-Saturday about 50 years later).

I might be slightly biased here, but Saturday-Friday is the norm for me when it comes to TV listings. :)

Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: calliaume on October 24, 2019, 09:23:17 AM
TV Guide began as Friday-to-Thursday (and switched to the familiar Saturday-to-Friday about 15 months later, then to Sunday-to-Saturday about 50 years later).

I might be slightly biased here, but Saturday-Friday is the norm for me when it comes to TV listings. :)
I totally get that.  I think New York magazine had a standard early in the week release (Monday on the newsstand and Monday/Tuesday in the mail, maybe?), thus the Wednesday-through-Tuesday listings.

New York didn't have TV listings until around 1979 or so, when its parent company acquired Cue magazine and merged the two.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: chrisholland03 on November 10, 2019, 11:42:18 AM
This past week on Buzzr we moved from bonus round #1 (Pick a number) to bonus round #2 (Pick 3 and win or risk-a-fur). 

Based on the 25 episodes with bonus #1 aired on Buzzr, they had 8 wins, with 3 won consecutively and 3 won on the first try.  My gut says that win rate is what prompted the change in play.

 
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: PYLdude on November 10, 2019, 03:15:26 PM
This past week on Buzzr we moved from bonus round #1 (Pick a number) to bonus round #2 (Pick 3 and win or risk-a-fur). 

I prefer to call bonus round 2 "Let's Make a Deal lite."
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Dan88 on November 11, 2019, 12:04:29 AM
This past week on Buzzr we moved from bonus round #1 (Pick a number) to bonus round #2 (Pick 3 and win or risk-a-fur).
Though it wasn't a smooth transition since they skipped two episodes - the last show with Endgame #1 (Harvey/Lorraine/Debbie) and the debut of Endgame #2 (Tricia/Barry/Rose).

Based on the 25 episodes with bonus #1 aired on Buzzr, they had 8 wins, with 3 won consecutively and 3 won on the first try.
Looking at the 19 episodes Buzzr skipped with Endgame #1 (the first 18 shows of the series and the aforementioned last use), the car was won a total of 14 times in 44 episodes (on shows 1, 4, 8, 15-16, 23, 27-28, 33, 37-39, 42, and 44), a bit under 33%.

My gut says that win rate is what prompted the change in play.
I don't disagree, but my own gut says the fact $1,000 cash was the consolation prize for not finding the CAR screen was a contributing factor.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Adam Nedeff on November 11, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
I don't disagree, but my own gut says the fact $1,000 cash was the consolation prize for not finding the CAR screen was a contributing factor.
There was nothing stopping them from changing it to $500.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: TLEberle on November 11, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
I don't disagree, but my own gut says the fact $1,000 cash was the consolation prize for not finding the CAR screen was a contributing factor.
Really? Cash is the most predictable thing the show gives away. During the game they can safely budget $1,500 to give away (and every time a question is split three ways that's twenty or forty bucks the show can throw towards dinner at Tim Horton's.) The end game giving away $1,000 is preferable to giving away what I presume is a $15,000 car. Not all the time, my guess is that they planned on giving the grand prize away once a week, but that's what you get when the end game is a blind draw.

Given that Monty Hall was half-partner in a fantastically successful game show packager for the last three decades--and came off of a nice syndicated run of LMAD--they shouldn't need to worry about pinching pennies too hard because that's presumably why they moved to Canadia. There's no singleton prizes during the game, just straight money and most of that is taken care of with the product plugs coming back from break. Having a game that is won blindly 10% of the time instead of 20% would stand to mean they give away half as many cars unless carryover champions get to four and five days in their streaks, but the original Split Second didn't look at randomness as a bug but a feature--five time winners got to choose their prize after all.  Their biggest savings other than the reduced rate of cars flying out is that the first day doesn't award $1,000 and if a champion loses later on the bonus package disappears.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Joe Mello on November 13, 2019, 12:13:46 AM
The end game giving away $1,000 is preferable to giving away what I presume is a $15,000 car.
Using the aired episodes only, the weighted average MSRP is about $15,500.  If they were expecting the 20% win rate, the average per episode giveaway (assuming $1,500 for front game) would be about $5,400 The actual per episode total at a 32% win rate was around $7,140.

In other words, they were burning through at least 132% of their budget per episode, and that's not even taking into account that the cars were likely obtained at less than retail, so that $1,700+ difference makes an even bigger impact. I don't care if you're Bob Stewart, Monty Hall or Matthew Lesko, something would need to change.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: TLEberle on November 16, 2019, 06:07:34 PM
In other words, they were burning through at least 132% of their budget per episode, and that's not even taking into account that the cars were likely obtained at less than retail, so that $1,700+ difference makes an even bigger impact. I don't care if you're Bob Stewart, Monty Hall or Matthew Lesko, something would need to change.
That's why you do runthroughs or hire someone to noodle out the likelihood of going over budget. (There's a reason that Greed's questions are best of four with some number of choices.)

Classic Concentration and Caesar's Challenge increased the value of the cars as the show went on. Dream House hid the grand prize behind a moon shot chance, but leavened it with the ability to tilt the odds with extra wins or correct answers. Hollywood Squares tweaked the value of the cars throughout the 80s run and in 2003 made it so that the car was awarded for the third bonus round victory, and Sale of the Century moved it to a fluke happenstance on the Winner's Bored to making it very unlikely in the Winner's Game era.

It would have been trivial to have the grand prize be a little less awesome of a car if they were giving away too many. I ran the percentages through Wolfram Alpha and it came back that there is a 32.7%67.3% chance of the show giving away a minimum of one car during a week of shows assuming that they have no turnover champions, which we know didn't happen. That means if they are budgeting for just a single car win per week it will not be long at all until they get hosed by the finger of fate.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: Joe Mello on November 17, 2019, 10:22:50 PM
It would have been trivial to have the grand prize be a little less awesome of a car if they were giving away too many. I ran the percentages through Wolfram Alpha and it came back that there is a 32.7%67.3% chance of the show giving away a minimum of one car during a week of shows assuming that they have no turnover champions, which we know didn't happen.
I don't know what the tape schedule was--I'm assuming five per day, multiple days per week--so logistics may have prevented cheaper cars from arriving sooner, but the week of episodes Buzzr showed after Eric won his $20,000(!!) car by being a 5-time champ feature to a Grand Am, which NADA is saying has a lower base price (under USD10k) than the Fiero, 6000, or LeSabre models ($13k and up) they used previously.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: nowhammies10 on November 18, 2019, 02:57:04 PM
Addison Buick in downtown Toronto was about an hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Nando's+Bay+Street,+Bay+Street+Unit+1,+Toronto,+ON/CHCH,+163+Jackson+St+W,+Hamilton,+ON+L8N+3A6/@43.4641331,-79.777683,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x882b34b686a21e41:0x6df7fa140ca61640!2m2!1d-79.3863503!2d43.6616553!1m5!1m1!1s0x882c9b9a9a923b63:0xb3767a8a0f280849!2m2!1d-79.8771627!2d43.2555733!3e0) to the old CHCH studios in Hamilton.  I don't think there'd have been any issue in getting a different car from the dealership.
Title: Re: Split Second coming to Buzzr 9/30.
Post by: snowpeck on November 18, 2019, 03:15:24 PM
FYI, even though Split Second is off the weekday lineup, it's still on Sundays with new-to-Buzzr episodes.