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Title: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: jimlangefan on August 01, 2019, 01:58:08 PM
Harry Friedman has decided to leave both shows after the end of his current contract.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/jeopardy-wheel-producer-harry-friedman-stepping-down-25-years-1228533
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: weaklink75 on August 01, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
They should announce Mike Richards as the new Wheel exec producer like yesterday....that’s the show needing help.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: cmjb13 on August 01, 2019, 02:25:49 PM
They should announce Mike Richards as the new Wheel exec producer like yesterday....that’s the show needing help.

The first thing he's going to want to do is add more gimmicks.

How you could you possibly add any more gimmicks to this show?
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: TimK2003 on August 01, 2019, 05:27:30 PM

They should announce Mike Richards as the new Wheel exec producer like yesterday....that’s the show needing help.

The first thing he's going to want to do is add more gimmicks.

How you could you possibly add any more gimmicks to this show?

Bring back shopping -- with most prizes/trips via amazon.com and trivago.com.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Fedya on August 01, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
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How you could you possibly add any more gimmicks to this show?

Bring back the eth and thorn.  /sarcasm
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: brianhenke on August 01, 2019, 08:15:15 PM
   If I became the new WOF EP, I would:

   - Get rid of the Prize Puzzle (most people would say good riddance) or have more non-trip prizes
   - Put Express Round in Round 1
   - Have a season-end "TOP PLAYERS" (or "SOME OF THE GREATS") week
   - I've said this before - either have fifteen seconds or a fourth consonant in the BR

  Brian


 
   
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: clemon79 on August 01, 2019, 08:19:42 PM
   - I've said this before - either have fifteen seconds or a fourth consonant in the BR

Yep, we ignored you then too.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: jjman920 on August 01, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
How you could you possibly add any more gimmicks to this show?
Bringing back the ones Harry's dropped for no public reason like celeb WoF or puzzles that reference mildly current events/trends/songs. Seems like the only current events that get referenced now are sporting championships.

Will be interesting to see what direction the show takes after his departure, just like it will be with Price and LMAD following Mike's.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BrandonFG on August 01, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
   If I became the new WOF EP, I would:

{snip}

   - I've said this before - either have fifteen seconds or a fourth consonant in the BR
So I re-read your post about the lack of winners towards the end of the season. That's called meeting your budget. Contestants already get nearly half the alphabet with a Wild Card; they don't need any additional help. And honestly, your idea would probably add more wins throughout the season, and result in the same streak of bonus round losses to close out the season.

For some reason, I don't see this show taking on a radical change of pace with a new EP. Sony seems to be more hands-off with its game shows.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: aaron sica on August 02, 2019, 08:25:27 AM
    - Get rid of the Prize Puzzle (most people would say good riddance) or have more non-trip prizes

While I don't agree with the "most people would say good riddance" comment, getting rid of the Prize Puzzle *does* make a bit of sense. Seems like more often than not, the winner of the Prize Puzzle puts the game out of reach for everyone else.


Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BillCullen1 on August 02, 2019, 10:41:39 AM
Maybe they'll bring back "Megaword" - remember that one? :)
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on August 02, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
Personally, I'm hoping for "Really Long Title."
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on August 02, 2019, 05:16:39 PM
They should announce Mike Richards as the new Wheel exec producer like yesterday....that’s the show needing help.

The first thing he's going to want to do is add more gimmicks.

How you could you possibly add any more gimmicks to this show?

Outside of theme days/weeks, what "gimmicks? have they really added to Price?

Mike updated the set, brought in more desirable prizes, found ways to help the show suit its host, and introduced some new pricing games, most of which have been pretty well received. Those aren't gimmicks.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: JakeT on August 02, 2019, 06:30:30 PM
Personally, I'm hoping for "Really Long Title."

Added twist..."Really Long Title...Continued On Next Puzzle Board"...

JakeT
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: JakeT on August 02, 2019, 06:32:59 PM
They should announce Mike Richards as the new Wheel exec producer like yesterday....that’s the show needing help.

The first thing he's going to want to do is add more gimmicks.

How you could you possibly add any more gimmicks to this show?

Outside of theme days/weeks, what "gimmicks? have they really added to Price?

Mike updated the set, brought in more desirable prizes, found ways to help the show suit its host, and introduced some new pricing games, most of which have been pretty well received. Those aren't gimmicks.

But...but...but...but...WHAAAAAT ABOUT BAAAAAAAABBBBBB???  WHAAAAAT ABOUT THE DAAAAAAAAABBBBSSS?

JakeT
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BrandonFG on August 03, 2019, 12:07:57 AM
    - Get rid of the Prize Puzzle (most people would say good riddance) or have more non-trip prizes

While I don't agree with the "most people would say good riddance" comment, getting rid of the Prize Puzzle *does* make a bit of sense. Seems like more often than not, the winner of the Prize Puzzle puts the game out of reach for everyone else.
Agreed. Maybe a smaller prize, like a less expensive trip or something that would've gone on a simple prize wedge back in the day. Basically something <$5,000.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 03, 2019, 01:03:40 AM
Quote from: rollercoaster87
brought in more desirable prizes.
Examples?  I'd much rather have a new fridge than some overpriced fashion crap.

Agreed. Maybe a smaller prize, like a less expensive trip or something that would've gone on a simple prize wedge back in the day. Basically something <$5,000.
Take this comment for what its worth...my best friend who is far from a game show fan cites two complaints with WoF when we watch:  Contestants who take a singular letter over a multiple and immediately solve...and the prize puzzle.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on August 03, 2019, 01:51:42 AM
I would like the Prize Puzzle a lot more if it simply weren't counted toward the contestant's score.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Flerbert419 on August 03, 2019, 07:44:20 AM
Seems like more often than not, the winner of the Prize Puzzle puts the game out of reach for everyone else.

Just to put some numbers behind this - when analyzing 1000 episodes from 2011 to 2016 whoever solved the prize puzzle won 740 times.

In 226 of those instances, the prize puzzle amount was the difference between winning and losing.

With the addition of the Triple Toss Up this upcoming season (see here (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31230.0.html)), my hope is that the prize puzzle impact is minimized going forward by an element of the show that requires more skill.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: JakeT on August 03, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
I would like the Prize Puzzle a lot more if it simply weren't counted toward the contestant's score.

My thought exactly...let it be a great bonus but not affect the outcome of the game...

JakeT
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: beatlefreak84 on August 03, 2019, 08:01:07 PM

Agreed. Maybe a smaller prize, like a less expensive trip or something that would've gone on a simple prize wedge back in the day. Basically something <$5,000.
Take this comment for what its worth...my best friend who is far from a game show fan cites two complaints with WoF when we watch:  Contestants who take a singular letter over a multiple and immediately solve...and the prize puzzle.
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This is pretty much the chief complaint my wife has about the show, to the point where we call the show "Win Round 3 of Fortune."  Given that the show has a gimmick or prize on the wheel every round for the first 3, why not just do the Express wedge in round 3 and that's it?

Anthony
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on August 04, 2019, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: rollercoaster87
brought in more desirable prizes.
Examples?  I'd much rather have a new fridge than some overpriced fashion crap.
Well, considering how a good chunk of the under 40 crowd lives nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised if the room packages of yesteryear (new kitchen, new living rokm, etc) swing back to being more desirable prizes.

That being said, there's way more tech friendly products, some groceries/maid/laundry for a year items, some fashion packages and the like.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Joe Mello on August 04, 2019, 08:21:29 PM
Quote from: rollercoaster87
brought in more desirable prizes.
Examples?  I'd much rather have a new fridge than some overpriced fashion crap.

As someone who rents, owning a large appliance doesn't help me, and I can find plenty of people I can gift/sell handbags or clothing to.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 05, 2019, 05:34:57 AM
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some groceries/maid/laundry for a year items
I was under the impression these were straight cash prizes.  Straight cash isn't something I'm opposed to, but I feel its a disingenuous way for the show to control the budget when these "prizes" are offered.  I've never seen any detail(s) provided, just that you can win "maid service for a year!"

and I can find plenty of people I can gift/sell handbags or clothing to.
Yes, I believe I avoid people like you at the mall.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: TLEberle on August 05, 2019, 11:20:19 AM
I think this just proves that different people desire different things and it isn't the job of a game show to cater to the wants/needs of a single specific contestant. I may not like everything that TPIR has changed in the last ten years but presumably Mike Richards wouldn't be in the running if he was bad at his job. As long as there is a wheel and a puzzle board as the main thrust of the game the ancillary stuff doesn't bother me.

/still hoping the day's winner would be decided by a Toss-up Countdown Round
//still not holding my breath for it.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: jjman920 on August 05, 2019, 11:32:18 AM
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some groceries/maid/laundry for a year items
I was under the impression these were straight cash prizes.  Straight cash isn't something I'm opposed to, but I feel its a disingenuous way for the show to control the budget when these "prizes" are offered.  I've never seen any detail(s) provided, just that you can win "maid service for a year!"
Sometimes they'll be sponsored by an appropriate sponsor. Like "Meals for a Year" being sponsored by Postmates or "Movies for a Year" being sponsored by Fandango. Doesn't change that it's basically cash, but I appreciate the effort.

Quote from: rollercoaster87
brought in more desirable prizes.
Examples?  I'd much rather have a new fridge than some overpriced fashion crap.
I think some of it also comes down to frequency. Lots of prizes were cut down or phased out completely, and I'd rather have a laptop/tablet over a chandelier, daybed or grandfather clock. While I think it'd be nice to have some of those prizes show up on occasion and, for a time, designer items were heavy enough for them to attempt doing a "Look of the Week" a few seasons ago, they've reached a fine balance for the most part, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BrandonFG on August 05, 2019, 01:04:02 PM
and I can find plenty of people I can gift/sell handbags or clothing to.
Yes, I believe I avoid people like you at the mall.
eBay? Craigslist? Facebook Marketplace?
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Loogaroo on August 05, 2019, 02:12:52 PM
This is one of the things that I think the new PYL does absolutely brilliantly with its bonus round - the personalized prizes give the show variety. It can be tiresome as a viewer to see them give away yet another car, trip, big screen TV, etc. week after week. Something like a 5-year grooming package or an array of arcade machines might not be everyone's cup of tea, but they add some unpredictability to the show and of course seeing someone actually win a prize they've been dreaming about is a lot of fun.

How you get that to work on a show with multiple contestants vying for those prizes, though, is the challenge.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: rebelwrest on August 05, 2019, 02:27:04 PM
Since some of us have added what we would do if we were the executive producers of "Wheel", I add my two suggestions.  One not so drastic and one that's sacrilegious.

1) Make changes to the Wheel layout.  We've had this same layout (meaning placement of the big money space, lose a turn, free play, and bankrupts) since 1997.  Let's move one of the bankrupts two spaces to the left or move the free play to the opposite side of the wheel.  Maybe add a $750 and a $850 space to the wheel.  Just freshen up the Wheel.  One of the problems the show has was a few years ago it decided to make the minimum value of a good spin $500, and since the season where they cheapen some of the spaces, nearly 2/3rds of the wheel's spaces has a value from $500 to $700.  Rather than coming up with a new gimmick to differentiate between seasons, change the wheel layout.

2) Raise the cost of vowels to $1,000.  I'm serious.  Vowels give a lot of valuable information for the puzzle, and even if you find only one letter in the puzzle for $500, you can get TWO vowels and a lot more information.  This could change the strategy of players knowing that the information you get from vowels would cost a big chunk of your score.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BrandonFG on August 05, 2019, 03:02:01 PM
This is one of the things that I think the new PYL does absolutely brilliantly with its bonus round - the personalized prizes give the show variety. It can be tiresome as a viewer to see them give away yet another car, trip, big screen TV, etc. week after week. Something like a 5-year grooming package or an array of arcade machines might not be everyone's cup of tea, but they add some unpredictability to the show and of course seeing someone actually win a prize they've been dreaming about is a lot of fun.

How you get that to work on a show with multiple contestants vying for those prizes, though, is the challenge.
How about just a simple "Personal Prize Package" space?

Or....I've thought about bringing back shopping for one round, but in the form of adding a $5,000 "gift card" to the wheel. Land on the space, call the letter, solve without Bankrupt, etc., and the gift card would be used to shop at the Wheel store (read: the centerstage monitor). Said store contains 9-12 gifts, three or four of which were provided by each contestant. Win the round, use your 5K to buy the gifts you want. To avoid eating time with excess plugs, make the least expensive prize $1,500-2,000. Anything left over goes on a Visa gift card.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 05, 2019, 04:00:47 PM
and I can find plenty of people I can gift/sell handbags or clothing to.
Yes, I believe I avoid people like you at the mall.
eBay? Craigslist? Facebook Marketplace?
Sorry, that was intended to be more of a smartass comment/joke about the annoying folks who hawk handbags at the kiosks.

Quote from:
Sometimes they'll be sponsored by an appropriate sponsor. Like "Meals for a Year" being sponsored by Postmates or "Movies for a Year" being sponsored by Fandango. Doesn't change that it's basically cash, but I appreciate the effort.
Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but even when they are sponsored, there's no description.  I just question as to how they arrive at the value; an important part of a show about pricing merchandise.

Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BrandonFG on August 05, 2019, 04:44:16 PM
and I can find plenty of people I can gift/sell handbags or clothing to.
Yes, I believe I avoid people like you at the mall.
eBay? Craigslist? Facebook Marketplace?
Sorry, that was intended to be more of a smartass comment/joke about the annoying folks who hawk handbags at the kiosks.
Kinda figured. I'll take the whoosh. :P
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: JakeT on August 05, 2019, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: rollercoaster87
brought in more desirable prizes.
Examples?  I'd much rather have a new fridge than some overpriced fashion crap.

As someone who rents, owning a large appliance doesn't help me, and I can find plenty of people I can gift/sell handbags or clothing to.

But couldn't you just as easily find plenty of people to sell a large new appliance to, if not even more easily?

JakeT
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Joe Mello on August 05, 2019, 07:00:53 PM
But couldn't you just as easily find plenty of people to sell a large new appliance to, if not even more easily?
Where do I put it in the interim?
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Unrealtor on August 05, 2019, 07:13:03 PM
Quote from:
Sometimes they'll be sponsored by an appropriate sponsor. Like "Meals for a Year" being sponsored by Postmates or "Movies for a Year" being sponsored by Fandango. Doesn't change that it's basically cash, but I appreciate the effort.
Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but even when they are sponsored, there's no description.  I just question as to how they arrive at the value; an important part of a show about pricing merchandise.

FWIW, the recaps at G-R suggest that every time "____ for a year" came up last season, it was part of the prize package for a grocery or small prize game, so it seems that they're smart enough to realize that it's not a great idea to expect people to be able to price them. Also, quite a few of the descriptions give an explicit amount, so you can at least guess at the basis ($1200 worth of "dinner out for a year" seemed to come up quite a bit.)
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: JakeT on August 05, 2019, 08:09:19 PM
But couldn't you just as easily find plenty of people to sell a large new appliance to, if not even more easily?
Where do I put it in the interim?

Must everything be done for you?  You FIND a place...jeebus cripes...

JakeT
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BrandonFG on August 05, 2019, 08:21:16 PM
But couldn't you just as easily find plenty of people to sell a large new appliance to, if not even more easily?
Where do I put it in the interim?
A small storage unit could run you about $50 a month. I imagine you could also call a local appliance store, tell them you have a brand new fridge/stove/jacuzzi that you have no use for, and invite them to make an offer. You might get more selling it online, but either way you come out a thousand bucks or so ahead than you did before.

/Minus those pesky taxes...
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Loogaroo on August 05, 2019, 11:00:51 PM
Lost in all of this discussion is the fact that you can always, y'know, not accept the prize.

Or perhaps negotiate with the manufacturer for something else. ("I don't need a new fridge, but our washer & dryer have been on the fritz...") Granted, I've never won a prize on a game show so I don't know how amenable companies are for that sort of thing, but I would imagine they'd be OK with an equal-or-lesser-value trade.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: JakeT on August 05, 2019, 11:58:50 PM
Lost in all of this discussion is the fact that you can always, y'know, not accept the prize.

Or perhaps negotiate with the manufacturer for something else. ("I don't need a new fridge, but our washer & dryer have been on the fritz...") Granted, I've never won a prize on a game show so I don't know how amenable companies are for that sort of thing, but I would imagine they'd be OK with an equal-or-lesser-value trade.

But where would you put a washer & dryer????

**ducking**

JakeT
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on August 06, 2019, 05:19:48 PM
2) Raise the cost of vowels to $1,000.  I'm serious. 
I think now, more than ever, they’re okay with giving vowels away dirt cheap because it speeds up the puzzle solving.

I like Toss Up Countdown Round, or, if they could balance the Wheel out a little bit, maybe play to a goal total? Play three rounds, then toss ups of increasing value until one person reaches the goal.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: TLEberle on August 06, 2019, 05:41:43 PM
Because nobody has brought up Jeopardy (that I can remember), two changes that I would re-correct:

Teen Tournament winners get a spot in the upcoming Tournament of Champions.

Five time champions win a car. Whether it is a luxury car won only for 5x or a Toyota Corolla for the first and every five, that was an affectation of Barry and Enright that I found totally appropriate for Jeopardy.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Loogaroo on August 06, 2019, 11:13:10 PM
I distinctly remember Bob Harris getting his & hers automobiles after his 5-game run back in '97. They probably phased it out because it wasn't doing anything to enhance the experience of the show.

If we were still living in a world where champs retired after 5 wins, I'd be more on board. But since we already have a reward for winning five games - you get to play a sixth - I don't see it making much difference.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 06, 2019, 11:20:36 PM
If we were still living in a world where champs retired after 5 wins, I'd be more on board. But since we already have a reward for winning five games - you get to play a sixth - I don't see it making much difference.
I thought the elimination of cars and the addition of unlimited episodes happened concurrently.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Bryce L. on August 06, 2019, 11:40:43 PM
If we were still living in a world where champs retired after 5 wins, I'd be more on board. But since we already have a reward for winning five games - you get to play a sixth - I don't see it making much difference.
I thought the elimination of cars and the addition of unlimited episodes happened concurrently.
It did, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: MSTieScott on August 07, 2019, 04:22:59 AM
Or perhaps negotiate with the manufacturer for something else. ("I don't need a new fridge, but our washer & dryer have been on the fritz...") Granted, I've never won a prize on a game show so I don't know how amenable companies are for that sort of thing, but I would imagine they'd be OK with an equal-or-lesser-value trade.

They're usually not. Some (not all) car dealerships are open to negotiations because it's all part of making a sale, but for the companies that are using game shows to promote their products, shipping the prize is the necessary but unpleasant consequence of getting the advertisement. It's much less hassle for them to say "We're shipping you the model R2900 sofa in taupe microfiber that you saw" than to waste manpower on negotiating with a "customer" (who isn't giving the company any money) for something else.

Related: A few months ago, a TPIR contestant posted (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,30065.0.html) the prize paperwork he received, which included the following statement:

Quote
NOTE: The prizes seen on stage may be the actual prizes you have won. Therefore, your prizes may not arrive in original packaging or in a manufacture-sealed box.

Approximately 99% of the time, negotiation isn't even an option.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Loogaroo on August 07, 2019, 07:29:28 PM
They're usually not. Some (not all) car dealerships are open to negotiations because it's all part of making a sale, but for the companies that are using game shows to promote their products, shipping the prize is the necessary but unpleasant consequence of getting the advertisement. It's much less hassle for them to say "We're shipping you the model R2900 sofa in taupe microfiber that you saw" than to waste manpower on negotiating with a "customer" (who isn't giving the company any money) for something else.

In that case, save yourself the tax burden.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: colonial on August 17, 2019, 08:38:40 PM
Finally back online at home following a move to a new state. My two cents on potential changes with new leadership …

WOF (note my viewing of WOF has been few and far between, so some of my remarks could be out of date. If so, I apologize)

-- I agree that the Prize Puzzle has probably worn out its welcome. Most episodes I've seen in recent years had the winners of the Prize Puzzle win the overall game. And the Prize Puzzle is always some kind of vacation … there's no variety. With all the top-dollar amounts and prizes on the wheel, there's no need to have that kind of bonus anymore.

-- The show is too graphic heavy, and whoever takes charge (whether Richards or otherwise) needs to tone those bells and whistles down. Given the current graphics display, the showrunners seemingly presume the average viewer has an IQ of a houseplant. Player hits Bankrupt and Lose a Turn? Zero need to show those graphics in front of the contestant. The called letters popping up on the bottom left of the screen is odd -- comes off as abrupt and something a "Sesame Street" staffer came up with (and the "Ghostbusters" circle appearing for an incorrect letter is even worse).

-- I'd replace the "pop-up letters" as well as the "No More Vowels" graphic with a stationary graphic of all the letters on the top of the screen. Once a letter is called, it disappears. It's somewhat similar in scope to what's done on TV poker shows where the "good" cards remaining are shown prior to a turn or river.

-- A few people mentioned showing more variety with prizes, particularly with bonus prizes. Not sure if this could be done, but could WOF work out a deal with popular apps for sizable prizes? For example, $5,000 in Uber rides, $5,000 in DoorDash meals, etc. Not everyone wants a car, but they may go bonkers for a $25k Amazon gift card. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing, for instance, big-ticket items like living room/bedroom furniture or kitchen appliances return to the bonus rotation (call it, say, the "home makeover" package. Perhaps go so far as a complete renovation of a room in your home or apartment?) I also got a kick out of an annuity being a prize every so often a couple a years back. I wouldn't mind seeing that return again to the bonus rotation.

-- Call me old-fashioned, but I would like to see the player's overall scores to be shown behind the contestants during games. I've seen a few international versions do that, and I think that's a lot easier to follow than having the totals pop up randomly on screen during a Prize Puzzle round.

--  A few people mentioned poor gameplay as an issue, particularly contestants who opt for a quick solve and leave too many letters on the board (I tend to see that particularly with contestants who are in 3rd place late in games -- play to win, don't play just to get over the house minimum). Perhaps bringing back returning champions to WOF could inspire players to be a tad more competitive? Fans remember the great and memorable J! champs. The only WOF contestants I could recall are those I've met on this board and elsewhere. WOF could garner some decent mainstream and social media attention if they had someone win, say, 10 games in a row to start

-- Every week of shows does not have to have a theme to it, especially if the same 8-9 prizes are being offered day in and day out.

-- Bring back "Celebrity Week" -- this is the perfect show to have those kinds of episodes.


As for J!, I don't see any changes really happen until after Trebek steps down. However …

-- I do agree with those who say that the Teen Tournament winner should get an automatic bid into the TOC. I attended the NAQT High School Championships earlier this year in Atlanta, and these players are a lot smarter and stronger than when I was playing in high school back in the 90s. Granted, J! is different than high-level quizbowl, but I truly believe there are a handful of HS players out there who could make competitive and deep runs in a TOC

-- I hate to say this, as I know a few people who are waiting for a phone call for this, but I think it's time to dump the Teachers Tournament. There is no need to have an annual tournament devoted to a specific career path.

-- I'd also bid adieu to the Clue Crew. Most shows these days, the "Clue Crew" categories are either avoided until the very last subject, or a contestant uses it to slow down the game for his/her advantage. I honestly think its freshness date expired a while back. Perhaps encourage a return of regular Audio and Video DDs as an alternative?

-- No matter what, all 61 clues should be played per episode. That's why you have editing.



JD



JD
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: bscripps on August 18, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
-- No matter what, all 61 clues should be played per episode. That's why you have editing.
Just like in the old days when TPiR shot live to tape with minimal editing, and it was terrible.  Now it's edited to within an inch of its life, and I think we can all agree it's much, much better now, right?  Right?

J! is not a game which lends itself to cutting out all of the silence and pauses just so that Peoria can see all five clues in the "Famous Icelandic Ballerinas" category.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: MikeK on August 18, 2019, 08:18:36 PM
-- I hate to say this, as I know a few people who are waiting for a phone call for this, but I think it's time to dump the Teachers Tournament. There is no need to have an annual tournament devoted to a specific career path.
Don't read into this too much.  When I auditioned at the Trivia Nationals last weekend, the teachers tournament was not mentioned during my interview.

But for obvious reasons, I hope it returns. 🙂
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on August 18, 2019, 08:20:17 PM
-- I hate to say this, as I know a few people who are waiting for a phone call for this, but I think it's time to dump the Teachers Tournament. There is no need to have an annual tournament devoted to a specific career path.
Out of pure curiosity, do you also dislike shows on other series dedicated to military/police/fire?

Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: clemon79 on August 18, 2019, 08:53:58 PM
-- I hate to say this, as I know a few people who are waiting for a phone call for this, but I think it's time to dump the Teachers Tournament. There is no need to have an annual tournament devoted to a specific career path.

On a show about knowledge, I would suggest honoring teachers is a little more appropriate than calling it just "a specific career path." It's not like they plucked a piece of paper out of a hat that also had "Plumbers" and "Waiters" in it.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Fedya on August 19, 2019, 07:57:51 AM
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Out of pure curiosity, do you also dislike shows on other series dedicated to military/police/fire?

I do.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Loogaroo on August 19, 2019, 11:29:25 PM
The called letters popping up on the bottom left of the screen is odd -- comes off as abrupt and something a "Sesame Street" staffer came up with (and the "Ghostbusters" circle appearing for an incorrect letter is even worse).

The sense I get on that is that it's a visual aid in case anyone is watching the show without the benefit of audio. That may seem like a narrow group, but considering the average age of WOF's audience it might actually be something they focus grouped and got positive feedback on. Watch the show once on Mute and suddenly the presence of the letters in the corner is actually kinda helpful - especially for the ones that aren't in the puzzle.

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I'd replace the "pop-up letters" as well as the "No More Vowels" graphic with a stationary graphic of all the letters on the top of the screen. Once a letter is called, it disappears. It's somewhat similar in scope to what's done on TV poker shows where the "good" cards remaining are shown prior to a turn or river.

I could see a rectangle-shaped graphic along the top of the screen that inconspicuously shows the letter availability, perhaps with a sparkly animation when a letter is attempted as it flies into the board, Scrabble-style.

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-- No matter what, all 61 clues should be played per episode. That's why you have editing.

I don't know about that. I'm coming around to the opinion Herr Eberle had post-Throwdown when we went through all of the material during The Challengers: what's the point of having control if everything's going to be played anyway? Other than finding and controlling the Daily Doubles, having control of the board doesn't give you much power other than just deciding in what order the last 12 clues of the game are revealed. If you have a sense that there's only going to be time for 27 of the 30 clues in DJ! to be revealed, though, having control gives you a little bit of power over which clues you want to be played and which ones you want to avoid. IIRC, this was part and parcel of Alex Jacob's strategy: build a lead, bleed clock, don't give your opponents opportunities to catch you.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Sodboy13 on August 20, 2019, 01:09:20 AM
The sense I get on that is that it's a visual aid in case anyone is watching the show without the benefit of audio. That may seem like a narrow group, but considering the average of WOF's audience it might actually be something they focus grouped and got positive feedback on. Watch the show once on Mute and suddenly the presence of the letters in the corner is actually kinda helpful - especially for the ones that aren't in the puzzle.

Speaking as an employee in an office that puts WOF on the screen with no audio every weeknight at 6:30, I can say that the called letter bubble is a positive.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: TLEberle on August 20, 2019, 10:51:43 AM
-- No matter what, all 61 clues should be played per episode. That's why you have editing.

I don't know about that. I'm coming around to the opinion Herr Eberle had post-Throwdown when we went through all of the material during The Challengers: what's the point of having control if everything's going to be played anyway? Other than finding and controlling the Daily Doubles, having control of the board doesn't give you much power other than just deciding in what order the last 12 clues of the game are revealed. If you have a sense that there's only going to be time for 27 of the 30 clues in DJ! to be revealed, though, having control gives you a little bit of power over which clues you want to be played and which ones you want to avoid. IIRC, this was part and parcel of Alex Jacob's strategy: build a lead, bleed clock, don't give your opponents opportunities to catch you.
My ears are burning:

"Control of the board" has become a cliche and throwaway language, but it means something different on every show. On Jeopardy it means that you know what the next clue will be before your opponents, but also controlling the pace of the game and finding the Daily Doubles. Control of the board on The Challengers means little if the board is cleared every round. (There was a time when they took out the Challengers Sprint and padded out the show with banter betwixt Dick and Gary Johnson--put up two more categories on the board and play a seventh at that point).

At a root level I enjoy trivia. As a viewer I want to see (and by proxy compare my skills against) as much as I can. I also know that every two deadballs more or less means one clue left on the board, and that's life. Were it me I'd like to wean the boards off of the little hints that leaven the difficulty--a $2,000 clue should merit a gasp and a burst of applause, not just moving on to the next clue.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: weaklink75 on August 29, 2019, 01:44:46 PM
Mike Richards officially announced as new WOF and J! Exec producer....

https://deadline.com/2019/08/mike-richards-executive-produce-jeopardy-wheel-of-fortune-harry-friedman-exit-next-year-1202707378/
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: BrandonFG on August 29, 2019, 07:37:35 PM
Given that Wheel seems to have just as many themed weeks as TPiR does special episodes (if not more), I could see Mike adding a few new wrinkles to the show. Maybe not as drastic* as what we've seen on TPiR, but a much-needed shot in the arm. Wheel's been on cruise control for years, not unlike the last several of Barker's tenure.

*I mean that in a good way, because...see the last prior sentence.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Kevin Prather on September 01, 2019, 12:34:48 AM
Here's hoping Mike brings back Megaword, just to see Pat's head explode.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: cmjb13 on September 01, 2019, 05:52:57 PM
He seems to be a big fan of moving graphics, so I would expect to see more
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Neumms on September 03, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
It'd be nice if Richards brought the theme music into this century. Either that, or go back in time before their dorky "updates." The arrangements are close to Muzak, especially the current Final Jeopardy song which shouldn't have been changed in the first place.

Also, it's time for a $10,000 space on the wheel, a real one that pays off for each letter. That'd be far more exciting than prize cards, prize puzzles and bumping up the bonus round minimum. 
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: SuperMatch93 on September 03, 2019, 11:26:59 AM
Also, it's time for a $10,000 space on the wheel, a real one that pays off for each letter. That'd be far more exciting than prize cards, prize puzzles and bumping up the bonus round minimum.

Not only that, but as unpopular as this may be, they ought to retire the million-dollar wedge. The only times things related to it go viral is when people who don't understand how it works post "OMG THIS PERSON LOST A MILLION DOLLARS ON A MISPRONOUNCED WORD" and when someone misses out on it in the bonus round. I get why it was introduced, but it adds little to the actual game play.

Even my neighborhood bar has on their "rules for watching Wheel" sign, "Don't ask how the million-dollar wedge works."
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Denials on September 03, 2019, 12:58:39 PM

Even my neighborhood bar has on their "rules for watching Wheel" sign, "Don't ask how the million-dollar wedge works."

Out of curiosity, what other kinds of rules are on said sign?
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: SuperMatch93 on September 03, 2019, 01:03:44 PM

Even my neighborhood bar has on their "rules for watching Wheel" sign, "Don't ask how the million-dollar wedge works."

Out of curiosity, what other kinds of rules are on said sign?

I'd have to go back and check--there were about five total--but one of the others was "Don't yell out the puzzle unless you're sure you know it."
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: vtown7 on September 03, 2019, 05:22:25 PM

Even my neighborhood bar has on their "rules for watching Wheel" sign, "Don't ask how the million-dollar wedge works."

Out of curiosity, what other kinds of rules are on said sign?

I'd have to go back and check--there were about five total--but one of the others was "Don't yell out the puzzle unless you're sure you know it."

I would 100% buy this sign for funsies.   Look forward to hearing the other ones.

Ryan :)
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on September 03, 2019, 07:30:27 PM
Do "rule breakers" have some sort of "punishment" inflicted on them, such as having to take a shot of peppermint schnapps?
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Mr. Armadillo on September 03, 2019, 10:52:53 PM
It's an on-the-spot dicespin.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: nowhammies10 on September 04, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
I heard the usual punishment was having to wear a styrofoam hat for the duration of the program.
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Neumms on September 12, 2019, 01:05:45 PM
It may be harsh, but it would fit the show if the bar took every dollar the offender has and forced him or her into bankruptcy. (Not any merchandise, of course.)
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: WhammyPower on September 12, 2019, 11:02:05 PM
I heard the usual punishment was having to wear a styrofoam hat for the duration of the program.
Who said anything about a horse?!
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: SuperMatch93 on September 14, 2019, 01:56:17 PM
For those interested, here are the other rules:

(https://i.imgur.com/hMn8cL6.png)
Title: Re: Harry Friedman leaving Wheel & Jeopardy!
Post by: Denials on September 15, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
Thanks for sharing!