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Hi Y'all
I wouldn't think they'd be hard to make/operate; at least no more so than a scoreboard you'd see in a school gym. Given TPIR has them worked into various PGs, couldn't they all be controlled by the same console/device?
The one difficult setup I could think of would be classic PYL: 6-digit score board, and 3 boxes for spin counts (two digits each), that's 12 characters per contestant (36 total).
Though each char. needs a lot of bulbs (25 total to display #s 0-9), it seems simple enough for anyone who's electrically or electronically inclined.
Or is it? Any insights would be greatly appreciated, as this is one gs-related topic I haven't seen discussed, at least that I can remember.
Thanks in advance,
Rick
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[quote name=\'76GMC\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 12:09 PM\']I wouldn't think they'd be hard to make/operate; at least no more so than a scoreboard you'd see in a school gym. Given TPIR has them worked into various PGs, couldn't they all be controlled by the same console/device?[/quote]
I suppose they could be, but light bulbs have a finite lifespan. Believe me, home viewers do notice when even one bulb in a score display is burned out.
The one difficult setup I could think of would be classic PYL: 6-digit score board, and 3 boxes for spin counts (two digits each), that's 12 characters per contestant (36 total).
Though each char. needs a lot of bulbs (25 total to display #s 0-9), it seems simple enough for anyone who's electrically or electronically inclined.
Actually, it's 35 bulbs per character (5 by 7). As far as I know, the cost of light bulbs has almost made it the norm for game shows to abandon eggcrate and vane displays in favor of higher-resolution CRT or flat-panel screens. The Price Is Right is the only game show I know that still does it the old-fashioned way.
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 01:02 PM\'] Actually, it's 35 bulbs per character (5 by 7). As far as I know, the cost of light bulbs has almost made it the norm for game shows to abandon eggcrate and vane displays in favor of higher-resolution CRT or flat-panel screens. The Price Is Right is the only game show I know that still does it the old-fashioned way. [/quote]
Could somebody enlighten me on exactly how vane displays work, and whether there are different types of vane displays?
I ask because a year ago, I was watching ESPN's coverage of one of the tennis tournaments, where the court had a scoreboard that looked like a series of vane displays. In the middle of the match, the power went out, but because the weather was good and it was an outdoor match, play continued. The vane displays didn't go dark; they simply remained at whatever they displayed at the time of the power outage. I'm wondering whether the lines that make up the numbers in the vane displays aren't actually light bulbs. (By the same token, if the power were to go out in the old Family Feud studio during Fast Money, would the display go dark?)
Or am I getting vane displays mixed up with something else? The displays used in the Clark $25K and $100K Pyramids are different from the TPiR Dice Game displays or today's Cien Mexicanos Dijeron displays, although both use straight lines for the numbers unlike the eggcrate displays.
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(By the same token, if the power were to go out in the old Family Feud studio during Fast Money, would the display go dark?)
Actually, I seem to recall reading that the Family Feud boards weren't actually light bulbs. They were some kind of little pieces of reflective material that that actually flipped back and forth between yellow and black. Since they weren't actually lights, yeah, the board would go dark. Someone probably knows more about this than me though.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 12:31 PM\'] In the middle of the match, the power went out, but because the weather was good and it was an outdoor match, play continued. The vane displays didn't go dark; they simply remained at whatever they displayed at the time of the power outage. I'm wondering whether the lines that make up the numbers in the vane displays aren't actually light bulbs. (By the same token, if the power were to go out in the old Family Feud studio during Fast Money, would the display go dark?)
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The display you are talking about is an electromechanical one, as is the Feud board and the Clark $25K/$100K Pyramid readouts.
The way the numerical ones work, each segment is a flat piece of plastic painted with a highly-reflective paint, usually florescent yellow or white. They are hooked up to electromagnets such that when a segment is needed to form a number (or not), a single pulse rotates the segment so that the surface is visible, or out of the way so that it isn't (at that time it's actually rotated 90 degrees so it's perpendicular to the surface of the readout).
In the case of the Ferranti-Packer Feud board, each "pixel" on the board is a small disc, painted on one side, black on the other. A pulse is sent to a "pixel" dependent on which side it needs to display to make a particular board element, be it a letter, number, or part of the big Feud logo. You see the same thing on a lot of city bus systems, and stadium marquees, and stuff like that.
These types of readouts are popular because they are a) durable, as you don't have to go replacing light bulbs, and b) energy-efficient, because the only electricity is used to change the state of the board...maintaining it, as you saw in that tennis match, takes nothing.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 03:19 PM\'] Actually, I seem to recall reading that the Family Feud boards weren't actually light bulbs. They were some kind of little pieces of reflective material that that actually flipped back and forth between yellow and black. Since they weren't actually lights, yeah, the board would go dark. Someone probably knows more about this than me though. [/quote]
Maxene Fabe went into great detail in her book. IIRC, it's pretty much the same thing you'd see on the side of a bus, or on some road signs (the ones that alert you to road closings, etc.). I've driven on the highway at night, but was still able to see the signs fairly well, so I'm guessing it could be along the same lines? I'm guessing they're still somewhat visible in the dark?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 01:23 PM\'] I've driven on the highway at night, but was still able to see the signs fairly well, so I'm guessing it could be along the same lines? I'm guessing they're still somewhat visible in the dark? [/quote]
In the Seattle area, a lot of those road signs are being replaced by LED matrices now, since they're so much brighter, but I have seen electromechanical versions of those as well, yes.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 02:31 PM\']Could somebody enlighten me on exactly how vane displays work, and whether there are different types of vane displays?
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Alrighty, this may be crude, but I'll give it a go.
There are two types that I know of: the flip, non-lit type, and the lit vane display.
Shows like Summers' Double Dare, Get the Picture, and the old big numbered display for TPIR's Check-Out used the non-lit flip type. They are just a series of flat panel segments that will "flip-out" when current hits them.
So let's say I am looking at a single-digit vane display with nothing showing. The panels for each digit segment would be facing outward (except for the middle segment, which could face upwards or downwards), so the camera cannot see them. Let's say I scored one point. Current would be turned on to the upper right segment and the lower right segment, and both would flip out to face the camera, creating a '1'. Pay attention to the color red.
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If I got two points, then this is where it gets fun. The top, middle, and bottom segments would flip out to the camera. So would the bottom left. But the current would also be turned on to that lower right segment, flipping it back out of sight.
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Lit vane displays are much easier to explain. They were seen in the Whoopi's Squares and the Jeopardy sushi bar set. Lights turn on and off to create segments for digits. So if you wanted to see the one, just turn on the upper right and the lower left segment lights.
If power went out on Dawson's or Combs' FF board, it would read the same since it wasn't lit.
Brandon Brooks
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I noted on the Family Feud: ETS when they were showing a clip when Roseanne and Tom Arnold were on saying "We're on Family Feud to start a Family Feud." You can hear the non-lit flip boards on the podiums flipping from "Family" to ">>Feud<<" quite loudly.
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 12:02 PM\'] Actually, it's 35 bulbs per character (5 by 7). As far as I know, the cost of light bulbs has almost made it the norm for game shows to abandon eggcrate and vane displays in favor of higher-resolution CRT or flat-panel screens. The Price Is Right is the only game show I know that still does it the old-fashioned way. [/quote]
In principle, you're correct that it's a 5x7 grid. However, I do recall seeing episodes of Perry CS (they used the same Eggcrate display for the Money Cards--the one with the open "4" rather than the closed "4") where you can actually see the unlit bulbs in the display--and there are some places within that display where there are gaps instead of where the bulbs would be. In other words, one line of the seven may only have three bulbs instead of five (I can't recall the exact breakdown at this moment).
Doug
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The Card Sharks readout only needed enough bulbs for the digits, $, and the word BUST, wo 3 or 4 weren't even installed. Since the Feud board displays all sorts of text, all pixels were available.
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The Price Is Right is the only game show I know that still does it the old-fashioned way.
The current version of Family Feud with Karn, also still uses the eggcrate displays.
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 01:02 PM\']The Price Is Right is the only game show I know that still does it the old-fashioned way.[/quote]
In something related, the one bid displays (as if it isn't obvious) are very old and fragile.
For those who haven't been to a taping, after the 4th taping day when the set is struck, the wiring connecting the one bid displays (controlled off-stage) is disconnected and moved in one piece. They place a cover on it and off it goes.
I once had a conversation with somebody from the CBS electronics department who works on Price who said those one bid displays were ancient.
The technology was there as late as 1989, Card Sharks, the last show to feature displays similar to the one bid displays.
Does 15 years seem ancient? Maybe if you can't make them anymore, but I'm sure parts are still available for them (albeit scarce)
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 07:04 PM\']
The Price Is Right is the only game show I know that still does it the old-fashioned way.
The current version of Family Feud with Karn, also still uses the eggcrate displays. [/quote]
I think Shop Til You Drop still uses the vane displays.
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Here I am back in the black hole of time we lovingly refer to as "the Big Board". I just love the dialogue too much to keep away and do the things that are "more important" but less fun! ;-)
As for the TPIR one-bids, the controller that feeds the 4 displays finally broke in the mid to late 1990s after about a quarter century of use. Like virtually all of the electronics and props on TPIR, and many other game shows, that unit was a home-brew custom-made one-of-a-kind from the CBS electronics shop. Indeed, the in-house geniuses replicated the unit from scratch. The new one has held up magnificently. I last spotted the old one-bid controller down in the bowels of TVCity. I can't help but think it deserves to be saved in a museum or collection, but more on that in a moment.
There are only about a handful of folks in all of LA who design and build the electronics for the current game shows. They're either at CBS or at a company started by a former CBS staffer, Vista Electronics. As a ne'er-do-well tinkerer at heart I love talking with these guys who can translate display and scorekeeping needs to either PC programs or the far more fascinating and quaint technology of switches, buttons, lock-outs, wires and lights. The reflective tape / light beam device that controls the "beep" sfx on the Showcase Showdown big wheel (discussed in another thread) is the perfect example of that kind of ingenuity.
And when it comes to the magic created by the dings, pings, bells, gongs, buzzers, and klaxons that first caught our fascination as kids, those original practical (as opposed to recordings) sfx devices also deserve a retirement home. Does anyone else remember the sfx hardware first used at TPIR? Among those goodies were the tugboat and train whistles, and that great "Squeeze Play" and "Safecrackers" creeking device that created the sound from the friction between wood and leather.
So much of that stuff is lost for the ages. Thanks to the retired techs (many from CBS) who are members, Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters has the best collection of practical sound effects devices I'm aware of, dating back to the "golden era". For fans of old radio, PPB has the assemblage of practical devices that created the sounds for accessing and opening Jack Benny's vault on his CBS show. It was a classic comedy bit used many times to big laughs. And yes, some of the goodies from the CBS game shows rest there as well.
The point? Zinfandel makes me nostalgic. Other than that, I'm not sure there is a point! ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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I believe Supermarket Sweep also used Eggcrate to display each team's Sweep Time, right?
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And also, Supermarket Sweep still uses the eggcrate display ever since the Lifetime TV edition debuted.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 06:45 PM\'] I believe Supermarket Sweep also used Eggcrate to display each team's Sweep Time, right? [/quote]
Yep, sure did.
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>> Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters has the best collection of practical sound effects devices I'm aware of, dating back to the "golden era". For fans of old radio, PPB has the assemblage of practical devices that created the sounds for accessing and opening Jack Benny's vault on his CBS show. It was a classic comedy bit used many times to big laughs. And yes, some of the goodies from the CBS game shows rest there as well.
I found a cool picture of what is represented as CBS SFX equipment here:
http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg (http://\"http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg\")
The big black bell looks like it may have been the source of the famous clangs when someone has a perfect bid. Also, next to that bell is a small black piece with CBS stamped on it. To the left of that is a small chime. I found a chime just like that at an antique store, and it sounded vaguely familiar...I think that small chime is where the TPIR bell came from.
Ahh, yes, the world of GS SFX is more interesting than one may think.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 05:41 PM\'] In principle, you're correct that it's a 5x7 grid. However, I do recall seeing episodes of Perry CS (they used the same Eggcrate display for the Money Cards--the one with the open "4" rather than the closed "4") where you can actually see the unlit bulbs in the display--and there are some places within that display where there are gaps instead of where the bulbs would be. In other words, one line of the seven may only have three bulbs instead of five (I can't recall the exact breakdown at this moment). [/quote]
Other shows have eggcrate displays where you can see the gaps. Here is how it looks (O = lightblulb, _ = no lightbulb):
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O O O O O
O O O _ O
O _ O _ O
O O O O O
O _ O _ O
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There are 28 lightbulbs per digit. As you would expect, the second lightbulb in the second row only lights in case of a one. BTW, on TPiR, extra bulbs are needed to make the V and R in "OVER".
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 06:24 PM\'] I found a cool picture of what is represented as CBS SFX equipment here:
http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg (http://\"http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg\") [/quote]
Hot damn! That photo is taken near one corner of the large storeroom at Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters where the assorted "junk" not on display at the humble museum is stored. Amazing that you would find some of the exact items I was referencing. PPB is a membership-only organization for its members and their personal guests; I didn't know anyone had taken pictures in our back rooms.
You're looking at a small sample of those former CBS items mentioned earlier in this thread. The big bell in the center of the picture is still marked as having been used on the show "Whew". Both the item with the large chain at the top left and the device with gears nearer the top right were among the items used on that recurring Jack Benny vault bit. And yes, a couple of electric chimes and/or buzzers are visible as well.
A wider shot would show many more chimes and doorbells, as well as buzzers, plus another couple of dozen other practical sfx devices. They run the gamut from car horns to household doors on hinges, to windows and venetian blinds, to car doors and a whole lot more. And yes, like the bell from "Whew", others are clearly identifiable as having been used on CBS game shows.
To earn more about this wonderful organization:
Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters (http://\"http://pacificpioneerbroadcasters.org\")
And here's something to look forward to. On your 20th anniversary of having been employed in commercial radio and/or TV you qualify for membership. ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 08:38 PM\'] Other shows have eggcrate displays where you can see the gaps. Here is how it looks (O = lightblulb, _ = no lightbulb):
[font=\"Courier\"]
O O O O O
O O O _ O
O _ O _ O
O O O O O
O _ O _ O
O _ O _ O
O O O O O
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There are 28 lightbulbs per digit. As you would expect, the second lightbulb in the second row only lights in case of a one. BTW, on TPiR, extra bulbs are needed to make the V and R in "OVER". [/quote]
Well done, Jason W.
And to answer Dale Grass' comment, FF used a different display known as Ferrenti--therefore all of the pixels needed to be available (wasn't Hewlett-Packard somehow involved in that display or something like that?). And I don't believe (although I could certainly be wrong) that the Eggcrate display generated the $ used for the Money Cards in the Perry version of CS. The $ display is much bigger than the character display for the numbers/"BUST".
Doug
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[quote name=\'JamesVipond\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 01:02 PM\'] I suppose they could be, but light bulbs have a finite lifespan. Believe me, home viewers do notice when even one bulb in a score display is burned out.
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Indeed we do. And this happened quite frequently on The Joker's Wild. As early as that program's first episode, there was a bulb burned out on the contestant seated at the right's podium. Subsequent episodes would feature score displays with many bulbs out.
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Here's a stupid question: does anybody remember on the first couple of episodes of Trivia Trap, when the winning team's score was flashed and it contained a 5 in the first 2 or 3 digit spaces (ones tens hundreds) it would flash "0" then "5" very quickly. Say the winning team's score was 1050, it would say 1000 for a split second then switch to 1050 and then turn off to flash again (once again repeating the quick zero to five switch). It was rather obvious and, in later episodes, seemed remedied by flashing the number by 'wiping' the numbers from left to right. It would light up 1 then 0 then 5 then 0 and then flash off 0 then the 5 and 0 and then the 1.
Why is this? Do I have too much time on my hands to wonder about this?
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Here's a stupid question: does anybody remember on the first couple of episodes of Trivia Trap, when the winning team's score was flashed and it contained a 5 in the first 2 or 3 digit spaces (ones tens hundreds) it would flash "0" then "5" very quickly. Say the winning team's score was 1050, it would say 1000 for a split second then switch to 1050 and then turn off to flash again (once again repeating the quick zero to five switch). It was rather obvious and, in later episodes, seemed remedied by flashing the number by 'wiping' the numbers from left to right. It would light up 1 then 0 then 5 then 0 and then flash off 0 then the 5 and 0 and then the 1.
I do remember seeing that on a GSN rerun. Also, I think Mike Klauss had a vidcap of the winning team scoring "1600". Guess the scoreboard had an itchy trigger finger or something.
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I remember one time on Win Ben Stein's Money, a full 5x7 panel on Ben's scoreboard wouldn't turn on, so instead of reading "$5000", it read "$50 0". They joked about how the income had been slashed, iirc.
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Were the displays on Wintuition different from the other eggcrate displays? The individual lights on Wintuition were square instead of round.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 04:07 PM\'] Were the displays on Wintuition different from the other eggcrate displays? The individual lights on Wintuition were square instead of round. [/quote]
Debt and IIRC, Win Ben Stein's Money used the square eggcrates. I think the Family Channel interactive games also used them (Boggle, Shuffle, Jumble).
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Yep.
http://www.runchadrun.com/personal/benstein/ben3.jpg (http://\"http://www.runchadrun.com/personal/benstein/ben3.jpg\")
http://www.philyanov.com/images/ben_stein.jpg (http://\"http://www.philyanov.com/images/ben_stein.jpg\")
http://www.loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/debt5.JPG (http://\"http://www.loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/debt5.JPG\")
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 10:09 PM\'] And here's something to look forward to. On your 20th anniversary of having been employed in commercial radio and/or TV you qualify for membership. ;-) [/quote]
Only 17 1/2 years to go.
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On your 20th anniversary of having been employed in commercial radio and/or TV you qualify for membership. ;-)
So Randy, you've got, what, another five years to go? :-P
SPELLING CORRECTION:
Ferranti-Packard. Your Google searches aren't going to get very far with incorrect spelling.
EGG CRATE TRIVIA:
The readouts used in the Showcase podiums originally used incandescent type 1820 lamps. They run at the oddball voltage of 28 volts DC, draw a lot of current and generate a lot of heat. They are bright enough to shine through smoke Plexiglas or painted scrim (fabric) and then some. They are driven with a simple diode matrix. The apertures for the lamps are 5/8" in diameter. There is now a rather expensive LED which is a direct replacement for the 1820 lamp. Whether CBS has retrofitted their readouts with this type of LED I do not know. The numeric-only readouts can be controlled with something as simple as a 12-position rotary switch. Displaying more than one alphabetic character is a vastly more complicated undertaking. Over the years various consoles have been designed and built to control these things, to do arithmetic, make them flash, etc. The latest technology uses light pens. Constructing units to approximate those used on TV is a non-trivial endeavor requiring a lot of custom fabrication.
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>> They are bright enough to shine through smoke Plexiglas or painted scrim (fabric) and then some.
It comes as a surprise to me that they'd use fabric on the front. It just seems that something else, say, stage lighting gel, would work better.
Also, I've pulled up another strange picture, this time from WTMJ in Milwaukee. It's from a telethon from way back....so far, the only time I've seen an eggcrate display outside a game show/GS parody:
http://www.touchtmj4.com/50www/communit/maccath3.jpg (http://\"http://www.touchtmj4.com/50www/communit/maccath3.jpg\")
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Lighting gels are too flimsy. Colored Plexiglas is sometimes used. The idea behind using scrim is that it can be painted, a la the red and green displays on the front of the MG '7x contestant desks.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 08:29 PM\'] SPELLING CORRECTION:
Ferranti-Packard. Your Google searches aren't going to get very far with incorrect spelling.
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Not to be confused with Ferrenti and Teicher (sorry for causing the mass "exodus" to this message <ducking>).
Thanks for the correction and clarification.
Doug
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Debt and IIRC, Win Ben Stein's Money used the square eggcrates.
I was a religious watcher of Win Ben Stein's Money, and I'm pretty sure the round eggcrates were used.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 09:21 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 08:29 PM\'] SPELLING CORRECTION:
Ferranti-Packard. Your Google searches aren't going to get very far with incorrect spelling.
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Not to be confused with Ferrenti and Teicher (sorry for causing the mass "exodus" to this message <ducking>).
Thanks for the correction and clarification.
Doug [/quote]
Don't be surprised if I'm the only one who understands that one.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 10:09 PM\'] You're looking at a small sample of those former CBS items mentioned earlier in this thread. The big bell in the center of the picture is still marked as having been used on the show "Whew". Both the item with the large chain at the top left and the device with gears nearer the top right were among the items used on that recurring Jack Benny vault bit. And yes, a couple of electric chimes and/or buzzers are visible as well. [/quote]
Randy, correct me if I'm wrong, but nowadays, aren't the SFX on "Price" triggered by a programmable music keyboard?
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I'm not Randy but the SFX are now triggered by a MIDI keyboard connected to a Yamaha sampler. This system was devised in the late '80s. Nowadays they could just as well play .wav files from standard PC hardware with a touch-screen or light pen interface.
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Also, I've pulled up another strange picture, this time from WTMJ in Milwaukee. It's from a telethon from way back....so far, the only time I've seen an eggcrate display outside a game show/GS parody:
http://www.touchtmj4.com/50www/communit/maccath3.jpg (http://\"http://www.touchtmj4.com/50www/communit/maccath3.jpg\")
I remember seeing one used on an episode of "Alice" once - it was for a time of day display that was in the background of a scene.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 10:44 PM\'] Don't be surprised if I'm the only one who understands that one. [/quote]
Oh, there might be a few others who got it, too. At least for now I can hold the title of "Worst joke ever told on the Invision Board 2004" (cue the Charles Nelson Reilly card). :)
Doug
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 08:25 AM\']
Also, I've pulled up another strange picture, this time from WTMJ in Milwaukee. It's from a telethon from way back....so far, the only time I've seen an eggcrate display outside a game show/GS parody:
http://www.touchtmj4.com/50www/communit/maccath3.jpg (http://\"http://www.touchtmj4.com/50www/communit/maccath3.jpg\")
I remember seeing one used on an episode of "Alice" once - it was for a time of day display that was in the background of a scene. [/quote]
Wasn't that the "Vera tries to break a tap-dancing record" episode?
Doug
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 04:38 AM\'] I'm not Randy but the SFX are now triggered by a MIDI keyboard connected to a Yamaha sampler. This system was devised in the late '80s. Nowadays they could just as well play .wav files from standard PC hardware with a touch-screen or light pen interface. [/quote]
Or a *gasp* KEYBOARD! ;)
(Like a QWERTY keyboard, folks... :))
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[quote name=\'Chief-O\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 09:24 PM\']>> Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters has the best collection of practical sound effects devices I'm aware of, dating back to the "golden era". For fans of old radio, PPB has the assemblage of practical devices that created the sounds for accessing and opening Jack Benny's vault on his CBS show. It was a classic comedy bit used many times to big laughs. And yes, some of the goodies from the CBS game shows rest there as well.
I found a cool picture of what is represented as CBS SFX equipment here:
http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg (http://\"http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg\")
The big black bell looks like it may have been the source of the famous clangs when someone has a perfect bid. [/quote]
It seems to me that the perfect bid bell was always canned, because it has always seemed to stop abruptly with the sound not dying out naturally when the bell stops ringing. (And the "whoop woop WOOP" horn was also canned--MacKenzies can play more than one tape at once.)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 10:38 AM\'] It seems to me that the perfect bid bell was always canned, because it has always seemed to stop abruptly with the sound not dying out naturally when the bell stops ringing. [/quote]
Yes, but the point is, it had to be canned from SOMETHING. Perhaps that could still have been the source of the original sound.
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I missed my earlier cues, but I'm back just in time to bring these latest posts full circle: The TPIR sfx are triggered from a MUSIC keyboard as opposed to a light pen, touch-screen or qwerty keyboard so that Ferrante and Teicher can play them!
(Life is a giant warm-up)
Yes, but the point is, it had to be canned from SOMETHING. Perhaps that could still have been the source of the original sound.
Now we're on to the point. "Price" has had such a long run that many (but not all) of the sfx were created and later recorded from practical effects.
It wasn't all that long ago that the show's ubiquitous "ping" was created live in the stage right wings from the kind of chime that used to be heard pinging in department stores. There was a hot mic positioned near that eloctromechanical chime device that now rests at PPB (yes, Chris touched it!). It was triggered by a CBS staffer holding a button that resembled the handheld nurse's call button you might have at a hospital bed. Use your thumb to press the button once, and get a single ping. The easiest way to get the rapidly repeating pings heard when the winner of a one-bid is announced was NOT to try to get your thumb to quiver like an epileptic seizure, but to hold the button upside-down in your fist with the button protruding past your pinky finger and rapidly bang your fist on the countertop!
Now THAT was show business!
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 02:21 PM\']It wasn't all that long ago that the show's ubiquitous "ping" was created live in the stage right wings from the kind of chime that used to be heard pinging in department stores. There was a hot mic positioned near that eloctromechanical chime device that now rests at PPB (yes, Chris touched it!). It was triggered by a CBS staffer holding a button that resembled the handheld nurse's call button you might have at a hospital bed. Use your thumb to press the button once, and get a single ping. The easiest way to get the rapidly repeating pings heard when the winner of a one-bid is announced was NOT to try to get your thumb to quiver like an epileptic seizure, but to hold the button upside-down in your fist with the button protruding past your pinky finger and rapidly bang your fist on the countertop!
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Something which the first SFX people on "MG" could not perfect--on the early shows, it's very noticeable--even when GSN puts it through compression--that the SFX people are not hitting that button all that much. Instead of DINGDINGDINGDINGDING it's more like DING DING DING DING DING...
The champ of that was the game-win bell on "Password" in New York--the SFX man always seemed to be petering out near the end and would be late or dropped on the floor if Ludden was trying to hurry up--"Let'splayyourlightningroundONEMINUTE!" But the bell was always there on cue.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 01:40 PM\'] Something which the first SFX people on "MG" could not perfect--on the early shows, it's very noticeable--even when GSN puts it through compression--that the SFX people are not hitting that button all that much. Instead of DINGDINGDINGDINGDING it's more like DING DING DING DING DING...
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Seems to me that it was a problem on TATTLETALES as well (of course, the 70s version used a slightly different bell [the sharper "C", for those musically inclined]--same one used on Eubanks CS and most of BODY LANGUAGE's run). I don't recall whether it was ever corrected for the later episodes.
The 80s version used a completely different bell and I don't believe ever had that problem (my memory's gettin so hazy nowadays).
Doug
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The Perry CS ping sounds very similar to the PiR ping and I remember the ping going so fast you just heard the note, not the ping when somebody won. Is that the same "ping" as PiR?
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[quote name=\'daveromanjr\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 04:15 PM\'] The Perry CS ping sounds very similar to the PiR ping and I remember the ping going so fast you just heard the note, not the ping when somebody won. Is that the same "ping" as PiR? [/quote]
No. The two bells (or pings) are entirely different.
Doug
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 10:09 PM\'] [quote name=\'Chief-O\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 06:24 PM\'] I found a cool picture of what is represented as CBS SFX equipment here:
http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg (http://\"http://www.earthsignals.com/Collins/0038/0016_1.jpg\") [/quote]
Hot damn! That photo is taken near one corner of the large storeroom at Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters where the assorted "junk" not on display at the humble museum is stored. Amazing that you would find some of the exact items I was referencing. PPB is a membership-only organization for its members and their personal guests; I didn't know anyone had taken pictures in our back rooms.
You're looking at a small sample of those former CBS items mentioned earlier in this thread. The big bell in the center of the picture is still marked as having been used on the show "Whew". Both the item with the large chain at the top left and the device with gears nearer the top right were among the items used on that recurring Jack Benny vault bit. And yes, a couple of electric chimes and/or buzzers are visible as well.
A wider shot would show many more chimes and doorbells, as well as buzzers, plus another couple of dozen other practical sfx devices. They run the gamut from car horns to household doors on hinges, to windows and venetian blinds, to car doors and a whole lot more. And yes, like the bell from "Whew", others are clearly identifiable as having been used on CBS game shows.
To earn more about this wonderful organization:
Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters (http://\"http://pacificpioneerbroadcasters.org\")
And here's something to look forward to. On your 20th anniversary of having been employed in commercial radio and/or TV you qualify for membership. ;-)
Randy
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Randy, does NBC still have their own bells/buzzers/effects at their studios (e.g. game shows like Scrabble, Hit Man, $ale of the Century, etc.), or is this equipment stored at Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters like the other sound effect equipment?
Thanks.
Regarding the $ on the Money Cards of Card Sharks, the $ is a cardboard-type piece that was placed on the scoreboard about half-way through its run. In the past there was no $ sign whatsoever and didn't even look like the $ sign that you would normally see on a game show.
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Fascinating topic, everyone.
A question I bet some other folks want to know: where are places to buy any of these displays, especially the vane displays? Where do the people who run marathons buy the giant vane display clocks they use?
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[quote name=\'WorldClassRob\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 06:36 PM\'] Randy, does NBC still have their own bells/buzzers/effects at their studios (e.g. game shows like Scrabble, Hit Man, $ale of the Century, etc.), or is this equipment stored at Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters like the other sound effect equipment? [/quote]
Sadly, NBC's Sound Effects Department in Burbank was finally shuttered with the beginning of the new millenium. And it was a sad day indeed.
Since construction of the Burbank facility in 1952, NBC's sfx department had its home in a deep and narrow pair of rooms just 25 feet from Studio 1 (Bob Hope, Johnny Carson, etc.). For those who roamed the halls, it was between the "Supermarket Sweep" 2000 / 2001 production offices and the ladies room. There resided the history of broadcasting sfx in various incarnations:
1. Many of the practical effects from the golden days of NBC radio, moved from Sunset and Vine in the 1950s (coconut halves for hooses' hoofs, slide whistles, etc., etc.).
2. An extensive library of over 100 78rpm discs containing every imaginable sound - the official NBC library of sounds. I was told that some were from the respected BBC library, and others recorded and compiled by NBC over the years. Each disc had an NBC label. I believe these were "lock groove" discs - each cut ending with a continuous groove that stopped the needle from proceeding to the next cut on the disc - to simplify playback "live" during programs.
3. A small assortment of surviving chime, doorbell and buzzer devices.
4. On one wall of shelves were over 1,000 MacKenzie loops stored in hundreds of clear plastic trays. Many of the trays still bearing the names of individual game shows taped at NBC Burbank (WOF, Hot Potato, Battlestars, etc.), each tray still holding the loops from those shows. Other trays were labelled with descriptive words such as "car effects".
5. On the opposite wall of shelves were hundreds of reels of quarter-inch tapes. Most were labelled with NBC show names including individual game shows, as well as "Bob Hope ", "Peacock Chimes", etc. (remember, this was the sfx department; the music department was elsewhere).
6. Only a handful of NAB tape cartridges (NBC never invested heavily in the format - the only cart machines still on the premises were in the basement editing and sweetening suites).
7. Finally, about a dozen commercial sfx CDs
Hardware included two turtables, one reel-to-reel machine, several MacKenzie 5-decks, 2 DAT machines, and a small audio setup with a board and various rack mounted black-boxes (Dolby, compression, reverb, oscilloscope, etc., etc.).
The whole operation was pretty well unwound since most NBC shows were produced at outside facilities and many of the game and talk shows inhabiting the studios were from outside production companies. The occasional sfx needs of "The Tonight Show" and "Days of Our Lives" were handled by the shows' individual audio crews. Sound effects for promos were added in the state-of-the-art audio suites in the basement. Curiously, there was a rack of about 50 NAB carts with old effects and a small library of sfx CDs in that suite.
Of the three or four game shows on the lot around that time, most were just renting facilities (Sweep, FF, TTTT) and "Weakest Link" came from Britain with its own music and sounds. Of the final 2 employees who manned that room one was reassigned and the other offered a retirement package when the department was finally closed. One of those employees was sufficiently disgruntled with the situation that he allowed me about an hour to load and play MacKenzie loops while a DAT machine rolled in record mode. I have yet to load, edit and burn CDs from the 2 DATS.
Much of the hardware remained intact when the rear room was outfitted with an on-line Avid editing suite first used to handle the overflow editing needs of simultaneous network and syndie "Weakest Link" production. At last visit only the remaining plaque on the door reading "Sound Effects" held a clue of what was housed behind that door for almost 50 years.
Randy
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One of those employees was sufficiently disgruntled with the situation that he allowed me about an hour to load and play MacKenzie loops while a DAT machine rolled in record mode. I have yet to load, edit and burn CDs from the 2 DATS.
The retired one, I presume.
What SFX did you get? I'm thinking HS' "tacky buzzer" and Beulah are in there somewhere.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 10:34 PM\'] 4. On one wall of shelves were over 1,000 MacKenzie loops stored in hundreds of clear plastic trays. Many of the trays still bearing the names of individual game shows taped at NBC Burbank (WOF, Hot Potato, Battlestars, etc.), each tray still holding the loops from those shows. Other trays were labelled with descriptive words such as "car effects".
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Just out of curiosity, would these include the audience reaction effects as well?
Doug
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 08:23 AM\'] What SFX did you get? I'm thinking HS' "tacky buzzer" and Beulah are in there somewhere. [/quote]
I haven't listened since, but while I was dubbing I kept a cue sheet. It includes stuff from TTTT, Split Decision, Hot Potato, Chain Letter, Classic Concentration, Gimme the Money, Wheel of Fortune, Live Wire, Scrabble, Show Me (I announced that pilot!), Battlestars, Word Play, Blockbusters, Off The Wall, Your Number's Up, Buzz Word, Dream House, Sale of the Century, Photo Finish, Trivia Combat, Hollywood Squares, etc..
Under HS: cuckoo, win, car start/win, swoosh, chime, baby love, car no go, tap bell, phone ring, pick secret square, win secret square.
And if I may be so bold as to anticipate posts, let me respond: No, I can not dub this stuff for anybody because I don't own the rights and don't have the permission of the rights holders. Sorry, but this is my livelihood and not only a hobby. Trust, honesty and reputation are part of what I need to make a living, and I take those values very seriously. BUT, I'll gladly play it all for 'ya in person once I get it all dubbed ;-)
Just out of curiosity, would these include the audience reaction effects as well?
There were lots and lots of audience effects. I remember watching live sweetening being done for the first time at "Sale of the Century". That stuff was all there but I didn't dub it. It was lower priority for me.
Randy
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"There were lots and lots of audience effects. I remember watching live sweetening being done for the first time at "Sale of the Century". That stuff was all there but I didn't dub it. It was lower priority for me."
Speaking of which, after the NBC sound effects department closed for good, where do these sound effects reside today? I am definitely into audience sweetening and I had experimented one of NBC's audience tracks and inserted into different game show clips.
There is a sound effects manufacturer called Sound Ideas which is headquarted in Beaver Creek, Ontario and I think they may be interested in hunting down the complete NBC sound effects library, including the audience effects (or crowd effects, as I call them.)
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[quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' date=\'May 7 2005, 09:30 AM\']Speaking of which, after the NBC sound effects department closed for good, where do these sound effects reside today? I am definitely into audience sweetening and I had experimented one of NBC's audience tracks and inserted into different game show clips.
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If it weren't for the increased concern for the environment, they would probably be where NBC dumped its "trash" decades ago... in the Pacific, about 3 miles off Santa Monica.
I was told that the entire room was destined for the dumpster. When I suggested a tax deductible gift to a college I was told that, unlike some other facilities, NBC Burbank hadn't taken that route with far more valuable outdated assets. And without someone like Ray Angona at CBS salvaging the broadcast legacy in the back of his car and delivering it to Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters, it's all just another memory to be mentioned on some obscure internet discussion site
Does it sound like I need to increase my Prozac? Hey, it's just the reality of the business known as show.
There is a sound effects manufacturer called Sound Ideas which is headquarted in Beaver Creek, Ontario and I think they may be interested in hunting down the complete NBC sound effects library, including the audience effects (or crowd effects, as I call them.)
I know Sound Ideas. Sorry, but I disagree. All jokes about Canada aside, I doubt that even a Canadian sound design firm would want mono effects with 5th generation dubbed analog tape hiss. ;-)
And I doubt the "collector" / "fan" market is lucrative enough to make it worthwhile to pursue.
Randy
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Going slightly OT, about old readouts vs new LCD ones. I always found old readouts (eggcrate or not) to be easier to read. I don't know about you but the totals on WOF for me seem harder to read now with the new LCD readouts than the old ones (I guess the old readouts had better contrast and white (or sometimes yellow) text on a black background may not look as pretty but is easier to read). One thing I was against the old readouts was that certain game shows would continue to use the readouts after several bulbs burnt out... how annoying. I'm sure someone can put some new bulbs in between a batch of tapings.
I guess we should all enjoy the old readouts on TPIR since we'll problably never see new game shows using them.
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"I know Sound Ideas. Sorry, but I disagree. All jokes about Canada aside, I doubt that even a Canadian sound design firm would want mono effects with 5th generation dubbed analog tape hiss."
As if you didn't know, some of the sound effects libraries they acquired were carefully cleaned and remastered digitally for better sound quality. Who knows? it might work on NBC's sound effects because they might be able to remove all of the tape hiss and make it available to many clients.
One of the shows I would like to hear NBC's crowd sounds are on Nickelodeon's cartoons such as SpongeBob SquarePants, Jimmy Neutron and Fairly Oddparents.
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[quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' date=\'May 8 2005, 07:57 PM\']One of the shows I would like to hear NBC's crowd sounds are on Nickelodeon's cartoons such as SpongeBob SquarePants, Jimmy Neutron and Fairly Oddparents.
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Wow.
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Seems to me that Geoff Cooper has some of the NBC loops digitized. The "Magnificent Marble Machine" answer reveal bell popped up on the Jay Wolpert FAM shows he sweetened and the Mother MacKenzie laugh tracks were heard on both shows.
Those of you who remember the "behind the scenes" promo on "Animal Planet ZooVenture" will recall Cooper gleefully revealing that he had the game SFX on the lower half of his sampling keyboard and the crowd responses on the upper half and did them both in real time. Nice for the folks at Animal Planet to tell the kids who went down to the San Diego Zoo to be in the audience that their cheering was being covered up by Canned Crowd.
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' date=\'Feb 7 2004, 06:44 PM\']The Card Sharks readout only needed enough bulbs for the digits, $, and the word BUST, wo 3 or 4 weren't even installed. Since the Feud board displays all sorts of text, all pixels were available.
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The NBC Card Sharks had only five digits; the $ used in that version was a display card (that is obvious since the "$" does not look like the normal eggcrate dollar sign) and never flashed with the numbers -- probably a money-saving measure instead of installing a new podium with six digits instead of five.
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'May 7 2005, 02:41 PM\'][quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' date=\'May 7 2005, 09:30 AM\']Speaking of which, after the NBC sound effects department closed for good, where do these sound effects reside today? I am definitely into audience sweetening and I had experimented one of NBC's audience tracks and inserted into different game show clips.
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If it weren't for the increased concern for the environment, they would probably be where NBC dumped its "trash" decades ago... in the Pacific, about 3 miles off Santa Monica.
I was told that the entire room was destined for the dumpster. When I suggested a tax deductible gift to a college I was told that, unlike some other facilities, NBC Burbank hadn't taken that route with far more valuable outdated assets. And without someone like Ray Angona at CBS salvaging the broadcast legacy in the back of his car and delivering it to Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters, it's all just another memory to be mentioned on some obscure internet discussion site
Does it sound like I need to increase my Prozac? Hey, it's just the reality of the business known as show.
There is a sound effects manufacturer called Sound Ideas which is headquarted in Beaver Creek, Ontario and I think they may be interested in hunting down the complete NBC sound effects library, including the audience effects (or crowd effects, as I call them.)
I know Sound Ideas. Sorry, but I disagree. All jokes about Canada aside, I doubt that even a Canadian sound design firm would want mono effects with 5th generation dubbed analog tape hiss. ;-)
And I doubt the "collector" / "fan" market is lucrative enough to make it worthwhile to pursue.
Randy
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That would be a big mistake on the part of NBC dumping all of its sound effects department into the ocean (including the ones from Scrabble, Sale of the Century, Hit Man, etc) if that indeed was the case. Its like Hanna Barbera dumping all of its sound effects into the ocean because its of no use; thankfully, those effects are still intact and very much alive.
You never know though...anything in this business is possible; some things may have been saved and locked away somewhere (such as the lost seasons of The Joker's Wild, which were discovered a few years ago).
To follow up on the eggcrate displays; I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this...but if it is possible, you could perhaps keep the eggcrates going by using LED lights...similar to what you see with traffic signals out here in SoCal. May cost a bit more, but at least they will last longer.
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If it weren't for the increased concern for the environment, they would probably be where NBC dumped its "trash" decades ago... in the Pacific, about 3 miles off Santa Monica.
I was told that the entire room was destined for the dumpster. When I suggested a tax deductible gift to a college I was told that, unlike some other facilities, NBC Burbank hadn't taken that route with far more valuable outdated assets. And without someone like Ray Angona at CBS salvaging the broadcast legacy in the back of his car and delivering it to Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters, it's all just another memory to be mentioned on some obscure internet discussion site
Does it sound like I need to increase my Prozac? Hey, it's just the reality of the business known as show.
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Hello again, it seems like about half a year sincee a reply was added to this thread but I do have some good news that may upset Mr. West (No, I didn't save a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to Geico), I came across the Internet today and found that Chuck Pharis has the entire NBC Sound Effects Library. He has had it since July 2004 and has over 2,000 records and many of them were hand made by the now defunct NBC Sound Effects Department. Some of them even have people talking in the background and every possible sound effect is there. Mr. Pharis has about 400 to 500 duplicates in the library and might sell or trade for one set and has no plans to transfer the records to CD's. He says it would take forever and simply doesn't have the time to do it.
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Are you talking out of your ass again??
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Nov 28 2005, 08:12 AM\']Are you talking out of your ass again??
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Actually, it would seem this one's legit. Too bad I don't have a turntable.
Link: Pharis' Latest Find (http://\"http://www.pharis-video.com/p4866.htm\")
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Nov 28 2005, 11:14 AM\']Link: Pharis' Latest Find (http://\"http://www.pharis-video.com/p4866.htm\")
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Wooooooooooooooooow. That is a lot of vinyl...
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Ryan_Conley194,Nov 27 2005, 06:29 PM]
Hello again, it seems like about half a year sincee a reply was added to this thread but I do have some good news that may upset Mr. West (No, I didn't save a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to Geico), I came across the Internet today and found that Chuck Pharis has the entire NBC Sound Effects Library. Upset? No. Actually I'm thrilled! Months ago when I said "And without someone like Ray Angona at CBS salvaging the broadcast legacy in the back of his car and delivering it to Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters, it's all just another memory..." I had no clue that someone would have the opportunity.
Chuck is a friend; I sponsored his membership to Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters. There's nobody who has saved more of early TV's hardware. Chuck has a backyard full of cameras, and always manages to add something exciting to his collection. The NBC material that he rescued could not find a better home. A public "Thanks", Chuck!
Randy
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' date=\'Nov 28 2005, 12:59 PM\']Chuck is a friend; I sponsored his membership to Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters. There's nobody who has saved more of early TV's hardware. Chuck has a backyard full of cameras, and always manages to add something exciting to his collection. The NBC material that he rescued could not find a better home. A public "Thanks", Chuck!
Randy
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I asked Chuck a long time ago if the ABC cameras shown in some of the scenes of "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" were historically accurate. Never got an answer, but I'm sure he'd know. As you, Randy, know but others might not, Chuck Pharis was a staff video control operator at ABC in Hollywood for many years (he's now freelancing) and among his credits was a little show called "Family Feud".
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' date=\'Nov 29 2005, 05:02 PM\']I asked Chuck a long time ago if the ABC cameras shown in some of the scenes of "Confessions of a Dangerous Mind" were historically accurate. Never got an answer, but I'm sure he'd know. As you, Randy, know but others might not, Chuck Pharis was a staff video control operator at ABC in Hollywood for many years (he's now freelancing) and among his credits was a little show called "Family Feud".
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Yep. Chuck Pharis worked the ABC Prospect lot for many years, although he doesn't look as old as his resume suggests. His last assignment on that lot, before ABC sold it, was on the soaps. But there's a long history on that real estate after it was converted from film to video... as they come to mind, FF, LMAD, All Star Blitz, American Bandstand, and some sitcoms, such as Rod's "Soap". The one time I met John Travolta was when he was working there on "Kotter".
Boy, I wish somebody would keep authoritative notes on what shot where, before it's all forgotten!
Randy
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UPDATE: I have just been informed from Chuck Pharis himself, that he has loaned the entire NBC collection to a private museum in Boston. I don't know which museum it is. As you know, he does not have to transfer the entire collection to CD, not even just the audience effects. As for me, I suspect that the sounds of Mother MacKenzie came from these LPs. Who knows, they might have taken the records and transferred them onto MacKenzie cartridges and carefully spliced each tape to make it sound endless. Maybe even the screaming track with the bad splice came from one of their LPs. I guess that the NBC sound effects department forgot to take the bell out in the splicing process. From my point of view, given the information I pointed out, Mr. West mentioned in a post some time ago that they had many 78 rpm LPs containing every sound imaginable.
I also e-mailed John Moran, who is the main guy at the Hollywood Edge, and suggested to him that the company should make a new audience SFX CD entitled Canned Laughs, Cheers and Applause. I even told Moran about the NBC sound effects LP collection that Chuck Pharis had. Along with that, I told about how certain sweetenerss, such as Bob LaMasney, Boyd Wheeler and Bobby Douglass, have their own audience tracks. Shortly after I sent the E-Mail, I got a reply from Moran stating that my idea was excellent. He would also make sure that everyone would have their fair share of royalties. I have not told him that Chuck has lent the whole library to the private museum in Boston. I assume that they are in the process of doing this right now. Anyway, that's the story on the NBC sfx for now.
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[quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' post=\'122331\' date=\'Jun 23 2006, 06:38 PM\']
Shortly after I sent the E-Mail, I got a reply from Moran stating that my idea was excellent. He would also make sure that everyone would have their fair share of royalties.
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Priceless.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'122346\' date=\'Jun 24 2006, 02:53 AM\']
[quote name=\'Ryan_Conley194\' post=\'122331\' date=\'Jun 23 2006, 06:38 PM\']
Shortly after I sent the E-Mail, I got a reply from Moran stating that my idea was excellent. He would also make sure that everyone would have their fair share of royalties.
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Priceless.
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Ranks right up there with writing a piece of Family Feud fan fiction, getting 1 positive response, and saying "everyone liked it".
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'122359\' date=\'Jun 24 2006, 10:06 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'122346\' date=\'Jun 24 2006, 02:53 AM\']
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Shortly after I sent the E-Mail, I got a reply from Moran stating that my idea was excellent. He would also make sure that everyone would have their fair share of royalties.
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Ranks right up there with writing a piece of Family Feud fan fiction, getting 1 positive response, and saying "everyone liked it".
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I just find it terribly amusing when someone posts something like this, not realizing at all that they're being mocked. :)
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ANOTHER UPDATE: I recently e-mailed Pharis about which museum in Boston he had loaned the NBC Sound Effects LPs to. I receive a reply to him stating that the museum is actually in Rhode Island. It is not fully built yet buck he said he would contact me when further information about the museum arrives. To cut the long story of the NBC records short, that's all for now.