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Title: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on February 24, 2019, 05:39:17 PM
It's not on Buzzr's website yet, so take this with a rather large grain of salt, but TitanTV is showing a fairly radically different schedule for Friday, March 8, that includes a B&W block in primetime: The Price is Right (Cullen) at 8PM, IGAS at 8:40PM and WML? at 9:10PM.

Not sure if this link will work, but: https://titantv.com/programming/daily.aspx/callsign/WAGA-DT3/channel/234/major/0/minor/0/cid/2009727/sid/2005589/network/BUZZR/pt/4/hd/1/lid/0bda280b-6401-4f1c-bd06-869318046baf/date/201903082000/
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: tpirfan28 on February 24, 2019, 05:52:02 PM
Here's the zap2it show page? (https://tvlistings.zap2it.com/overview.html?programSeriesId=SH03169996&tmsId=EP031699960001&aid=gapzap)

Definitely there on 3/8 at 8 and 11, 3/10 at 8 and 11.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Allstar87 on February 24, 2019, 07:52:52 PM
TVPassport has it too.

https://www.tvpassport.com/tv-listings/stations/buzzr-tv/15543/2019-03-08
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on February 25, 2019, 12:02:34 AM
If Zap2It is to believed, they're starting with the 2/1/61 episode, which had Arlene Francis as a guest host.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Scrabbleship on February 25, 2019, 09:44:16 AM
The entire schedule for 3/8 seems to be jiggled around to heck from 10:00 on:

10:00/10:30 AM: Body Language
11:00 AM: Match Game PM
11:30 PM: Match Game
12:00 PM: To Tell The Truth
12:30 PM: What's My Line?
1:00/1:30 PM: Body Language
2:00/2:30 PM: Password Plus
3:00/3:30 PM: Super Password
4:00 PM: To Tell The Truth
4:30 PM: What's My Line?
5:00/5:30/6:00/6:30 PM: Family Feud
7:00/7:30 PM: Password Plus
[8:00-10:00: Said B&W block]
10:00/10:30 PM: Supermarket Sweep
[Repeat 8-11 from 11-2:00 AM]
2:00/2:30/3:00/3:30 AM: Match Game
[Regular B&W block]

Also, on 3/10 it looks like the Sunday afternoon block of Supermarket Sweep has been replaced by Body Language.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: tvwxman on February 25, 2019, 12:01:54 PM
No Concentration ??

The entire schedule for 3/8 seems to be jiggled around to heck from 10:00 on:

10:00/10:30 AM: Body Language
11:00 AM: Match Game PM
11:30 PM: Match Game
12:00 PM: To Tell The Truth
12:30 PM: What's My Line?
1:00/1:30 PM: Body Language
2:00/2:30 PM: Password Plus
3:00/3:30 PM: Super Password
4:00 PM: To Tell The Truth
4:30 PM: What's My Line?
5:00/5:30/6:00/6:30 PM: Family Feud
7:00/7:30 PM: Password Plus
[8:00-10:00: Said B&W block]
10:00/10:30 PM: Supermarket Sweep
[Repeat 8-11 from 11-2:00 AM]
2:00/2:30/3:00/3:30 AM: Match Game
[Regular B&W block]

Also, on 3/10 it looks like the Sunday afternoon block of Supermarket Sweep has been replaced by Body Language.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Scrabbleship on February 25, 2019, 12:09:22 PM
No Concentration ??

The 3/9 schedule is unchanged with the 4:00-8:00 PM Saturday block intact.

Tomorrow the schedule for 3/11 hits the listing services and it'll be interesting to see if this is a Friday-only measure.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chargeradiocom on February 25, 2019, 12:16:43 PM
At the moment, it looks like the TV Passport (https://www.tvpassport.com/tv-listings/stations/buzzr-tv/15543/2019-03-11) schedule for Monday, 3/11 is filling in with the normal lineup. So I’m guessing the 3/8 & 3/10 changes are a one-off. (Maybe a tribute weekend of some sort? I suppose we’ll get a promo soon enough.)

Perhaps there’s a bigger picture issue going on here, though: Could this be a sign that BUZZR is on the verge of clearing up the issues that have kept TPIR reruns off TV all these years?

Granted, it may be a bit optimistic to infer this from a Cullen-era TPIR one-off. And I’m certainly not "all in" on a prediction that it's happening just yet. Then again, BUZZR getting Classic Concentration and MGHSH reruns looked like a fantasy this time a year ago.

On a side note, nice to see Body Language returning briefly. I don't believe it's aired since BUZZR started streaming.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jage on February 25, 2019, 01:57:40 PM
Wouldn't eps from '61 be in the public domain at this point?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chrisholland03 on February 25, 2019, 02:54:55 PM
Assuming so -- we have a local, low power independent digital sub-station who has been airing Cullen TPiR randomly, sporadically for over a year now.   They've aired about 30 eps in total.  They're the same ones seen on GSN.  Said station is almost 100% public domain content, and program against :08 and :38 of each hour. 

Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on February 25, 2019, 03:43:56 PM
Perhaps thereís a bigger picture issue going on here, though: Could this be a sign that BUZZR is on the verge of clearing up the issues that have kept TPIR reruns off TV all these years?
Would any of the issues that have been keeping 1972-present TPIR off the schedule have any effect on the Cullen version though? Personally, I would think not.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on February 25, 2019, 04:07:54 PM
So Buzzr shared Buzzerblog's Facebook post and said it's part of a celebration of International Women's Day. (As pointed out earlier, Arlene Francis guest hosts the episode they're airing.)
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chargeradiocom on February 25, 2019, 04:21:21 PM
Would any of the issues that have been keeping 1972-present TPIR off the schedule have any effect on the Cullen version though? Personally, I would think not.
The only possible thing I can think of is if there's some issue between Fremantle and CBS (and anyone else who might have an ownership claim) involving the naming rights, similar to what appears to be the issue with Hasbro over Scrabble.

Otherwise I think I agree with you. That's part of the reason I don't really buy into the online fan theories that the entire series is being kept off the air because of furs, Barker's perceived beef with certain models, CBS supposedly fearing ratings erosion, or whatever--None of those issues should have any bearing on the Cullen version whatsoever. (Those theories all have other flaws, too, though not the least of which is the lack of relevancy to Cullen's version.)

Considering Cullen TPIR left GSN about the same time Barker did and never returned to national TV until now, I've figured it probably boiled down to some naming rights issue. I'm not a copyright attorney, though, and there's a lot behind the scenes that we're not privy to, so I'll gladly admit that's speculation on my part.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on February 25, 2019, 04:44:19 PM
Otherwise I think I agree with you. That's part of the reason I don't really buy into the online fan theories that the entire series is being kept off the air because of furs, Barker's perceived beef with certain models, CBS supposedly fearing ratings erosion, or whatever--None of those issues should have any bearing on the Cullen version whatsoever. (Those theories all have other flaws, too, though not the least of which is the lack of relevancy to Cullen's version.)
Random, but do the "rules" surrounding Barker's version not airing in reruns apply to Drew's? It's been 12 years, so I'm a little surprised BUZZR hasn't aired episodes from say, 2007-10?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: tvmitch on February 25, 2019, 05:41:50 PM
I do remember back in the GSN dark period, they did air TPiR (and FF94), something about how those rights were negotiated separately. I believe Cullen TPiR was part of that package, and that they aired it during the dark period too. Could be wrong there.

I don't know if that is still the case with the rights. Simply presented as a data point for the discussion. Regardless, this March 8 showing may be a one-time negotiation.

Relevant: fun 1997 thread (http://"https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.tv.game-shows/t1G22s2n6Mc/jO48M_eeHl0J") from a.t.g-s with the first dark period schedule. Dating/Newlywed Game 4x a day! Pass The Buck! Ruckus! Comments posted from a WebTV email address!
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Scrabbleship on February 25, 2019, 06:14:39 PM
I don't know if that is still the case with the rights. Simply presented as a data point for the discussion. Regardless, this March 8 showing may be a one-time negotiation.

Given the International Women's Day angle and Arlene Francis subbing, I'm starting to wonder if a lot of these episodes airing beforehand fit that theme. I guess we'll see when the full schedule comes out.

/ I'm getting that at least one of those MG's has Betty or Brett hosting a question and that two of those TTTT episodes are when Kitty and Peggy each hosted half a show because they knew a subject.

Quote
Relevant: fun 1997 thread from a.t.g-s with the first dark period schedule. Dating/Newlywed Game 4x a day! Pass The Buck! Ruckus! Comments posted from a WebTV email address!

Somehow, parsing links from the Google carcass that once was DejaNews just doesn't work here. The address is below, if that doesn't work just copy and paste.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.tv.game-shows/t1G22s2n6Mc/jO48M_eeHl0J (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.tv.game-shows/t1G22s2n6Mc/jO48M_eeHl0J)

Reading through that only makes me not miss 1997 by any means.

/ That lineup, save TPiR and Feud, would make a great Sony-owned reaction to Buzzr.
// Yes, Ruckus included.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: TimK2003 on February 25, 2019, 10:01:22 PM
I don't know if that is still the case with the rights. Simply presented as a data point for the discussion. Regardless, this March 8 showing may be a one-time negotiation.

Given the International Women's Day angle and Arlene Francis subbing, I'm starting to wonder if a lot of these episodes airing beforehand fit that theme. I guess we'll see when the full schedule comes out.

/ I'm getting that at least one of those MG's has Betty or Brett hosting a question and that two of those TTTT episodes are when Kitty and Peggy each hosted half a show because they knew a subject.


Since it's been confirmed by Buzzr that most of the episodes that day are related to Int'l Women's Day,  I will play a hunch and say one (Dawson) episode will likely be the episode where Richard was a bit laryngitical and had producer Cathy Hughart host about half the show.  IIRC, she did a decent job as she did some of the runthroughs before taping.  I wouldn't be surprised if a few Celebrity Feuds from the Dawson and Combs years show up with the Men v. Women teams playing.

Betty White.hosted a week of Password in the 70's, (however those eps are, sadly, long gone) did she host any of the other incarnations for a day or week?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SRIV94 on February 25, 2019, 10:18:21 PM
Shows are released.

The 9AM TTTT and 9:30 WML are continuations of their current run (IOW, nothing new). 

The 10AM and 10:30 BL's are the 12/27-28/84 eps with Lucy, Isabel Sanford, Robert Morse and Richard Simmons.  The other two BL's (1PM and 1:30) are Lucy and Charles Nelson Reilly (9/10 and 9/13/84).

The 11AM MGPM is actually a rerun from two nights earlier.  The 11:30 MG is labeled as from 1980, but the guide says ep 352 (which actually was the second show of the 1981-82 season).

The 12N TTTT is from the current run but had been skipped (ep 1572--second show of the 1973-74 season).  The 12:30 WML was taped in 1970 (ep 733).

The P+ eps are all from the week with Carol Burnett, Vicki Lawrence, Joanna Gleason and McLean Stevenson (in character and as themselves)--week of 3/10-14/80.  The Thursday and Friday eps are airing first, the Monday and Tuesday eps later.

The SP eps are from 11/10-11/88 (Lucy, Carol Channing, Betty White and Dick Martin).

The 4PM TTTT is a 1980 ep (number 19).  The 4:30 WML is from 1970-71 (ep 922).

The FF eps are all from 1994 (half hour versions--104 is first, then 96, 97 and 98).

As confirmed earlier, the TPIR is from 1961 with Arlene subbing for Uncle Bill.  IGAS is from 1960.  WML from 1953 (Eleanor Roosevelt).

And that should do it.

In unrelated news to this, CC continues to at least the week before Xmas 1987 (151 on 3/15, OAD supposedly 12/18/87).  TATTLETALES goes back in time from 252 to 202 on 3/12.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Sodboy13 on February 25, 2019, 11:08:42 PM
Perhaps Buzzr was tipping its hand a little on this lineup of shows with its tweet from a few days ago.

https://twitter.com/BUZZRtv/status/1098643717076979717?s=19
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: aaron sica on February 26, 2019, 07:00:29 AM
Relevant: fun 1997 thread (http://"https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.tv.game-shows/t1G22s2n6Mc/jO48M_eeHl0J") from a.t.g-s with the first dark period schedule. Dating/Newlywed Game 4x a day! Pass The Buck! Ruckus! Comments posted from a WebTV email address!

Hey, that was me that posted that! :) I incorrectly stated that the new schedule would begin on Monday the 13th - proved to be wrong, as at the stroke of midnight, when October 10 turned into 11, most of the G-T shows hibernated for a long winter's nap.

Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Jimmy Owen on February 26, 2019, 09:27:25 AM
So it's not Cullen TPIR after all.;
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on February 26, 2019, 07:19:10 PM
The FF eps are all from 1994 (half hour versions--104 is first, then 96, 97 and 98).

Anybody have any idea what could be special about these episodes? Judging by the high episode numbers and the fact that they're 30 minutes, I'd guess that they're from Ray Combs' last season and not the season with Dawson's return.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chrisholland03 on February 26, 2019, 08:16:04 PM
My first guess was the divorced couples week, but in digging, that was 1993 and not 1994.  I'm still going to put my chip behind a special week of some sort based upon the frequency those occurred by 1994, and the fact that the other episodes in the marathon fit a theme.

Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SRIV94 on February 26, 2019, 08:25:39 PM
My first guess was the divorced couples week, but in digging, that was 1993 and not 1994.  I'm still going to put my chip behind a special week of some sort based upon the frequency those occurred by 1994, and the fact that the other episodes in the marathon fit a theme.

I would think it's either "TPIR vs Y&R" or "American Gladiators Battle of the Sexes".  Maybe 3 of one and 1 of the other.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on February 26, 2019, 08:30:59 PM
I don't remember the contestants, but there was a Battle of the Sexes week, although I don't remember it being American Gladiators. I know it aired in October or November 1994 in my market (single run).

Bold and the Beautiful also had a team.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chad1m on February 26, 2019, 10:30:39 PM
Anybody have any idea what could be special about these episodes?
Thereís a week(?) of the second half of Dawson comeback Feud where Carol Burnett faces Betty White. Given the highlighting of another pioneering comedienne like Lucille Ball, that stands out to me as a contender.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SRIV94 on February 26, 2019, 11:32:28 PM
Evidently the 1980 ep is the one with Rosa Parks as a central character (saw a promo video on Twitter earlier this evening).
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SRIV94 on February 26, 2019, 11:33:44 PM
I don't remember the contestants, but there was a Battle of the Sexes week, although I don't remember it being American Gladiators. I know it aired in October or November 1994 in my market (single run).

Bold and the Beautiful also had a team.

The "Gladiators" week was in Combs' last season.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chargeradiocom on February 26, 2019, 11:45:07 PM
Random, but do the "rules" surrounding Barker's version not airing in reruns apply to Drew's? It's been 12 years, so I'm a little surprised BUZZR hasn't aired episodes from say, 2007-10?
Just my take... I have to think that whatever the real reason is that Barker’s version doesn’t air in reruns applies to Drew’s as well. Otherwise, I agree that we’d likely have seen some of it by now.

I don’t think models or furs are the real issue. As you alluded to, neither of those should affect Drew’s run. Heck, Bob’s run still had 6 or so more years after the last of the models with whom he felt he had a beef were gone. (And does Bob really have any legal authority to block those episodes in the first place?) As far as the furs, I could see all parties agreeing to hold back those episodes in the name of philanthropy. But there were few enough of those episodes, even during the fur years, that I’d think it would hardly make a dent in the amount of content available to air.

So I’m thinking whatever the real issue is likely applies to both Bob’s and Drew’s versions—be it a naming rights conflict, some other negotiating hangup, or maybe that the price simply isn’t right (;D). (I still think it’s probably been a factor in the absence of Cullen’s version over the years as well, though that’s apparently no longer the case.)

But that’s just my speculative take. If there are any copyright or intellectual property attorneys on the board, it would be fascinating to hear from them.

I do remember back in the GSN dark period, they did air TPiR (and FF94), something about how those rights were negotiated separately. I believe Cullen TPiR was part of that package, and that they aired it during the dark period too. Could be wrong there.

I don't know if that is still the case with the rights. Simply presented as a data point for the discussion. Regardless, this March 8 showing may be a one-time negotiation.

Relevant: fun 1997 thread (http://"https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.tv.game-shows/t1G22s2n6Mc/jO48M_eeHl0J") from a.t.g-s with the first dark period schedule. Dating/Newlywed Game 4x a day! Pass The Buck! Ruckus! Comments posted from a WebTV email address!
I didn’t actually have GSN at home until a few years after the dark period, only catching it occasionally when I’d stay certain places before then. I’ve read quite a bit about the DP and seen bits of it online, though. Sounds like some trippy fun.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: NicholasM79 on February 27, 2019, 12:53:44 AM
Buzzr has posted a promo on their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/BUZZRtv/videos/154393232136758/). Lots of interesting stuff in this promo!
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: cmjb13 on February 27, 2019, 11:10:28 AM
Apparently Game TV in Canada re-ran some Drew episodes a few years ago.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SRIV94 on March 01, 2019, 10:40:13 PM
In unrelated news to this, CC continues to at least the week before Xmas 1987 (151 on 3/15, OAD supposedly 12/18/87).  TATTLETALES goes back in time from 252 to 202 on 3/12.

We'll get into 1988 on 3/22.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: tvmitch on March 02, 2019, 10:25:56 AM
In unrelated news to this, CC continues to at least the week before Xmas 1987 (151 on 3/15, OAD supposedly 12/18/87).  TATTLETALES goes back in time from 252 to 202 on 3/12.
We'll get into 1988 on 3/22.
Anyone have any knowledge about when the TAKE cards make their first appearance? It should be soon, right?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chrisholland03 on March 02, 2019, 10:30:55 AM
Episode 120 on Nov 4th 87

I think Bzzr aired it last week.




Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Scrabbleship on March 02, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
In unrelated news to this, CC continues to at least the week before Xmas 1987 (151 on 3/15, OAD supposedly 12/18/87).  TATTLETALES goes back in time from 252 to 202 on 3/12.
We'll get into 1988 on 3/22.
Anyone have any knowledge about when the TAKE cards make their first appearance? It should be soon, right?

According to this episode guide (http://"https://markgoodson.fandom.com/wiki/Classic_Concentration/Episode_Guide/Fall_1987#cite_ref-25"), the Green TAKE made its debut on 11/4/1987 and Buzzr reran that episode back on 2/22. The Children's Week episodes that made much of this week's Buzzr episodes already had them in play.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: tvmitch on March 03, 2019, 07:16:57 PM
According to this episode guide (http://"https://markgoodson.fandom.com/wiki/Classic_Concentration/Episode_Guide/Fall_1987#cite_ref-25"), the Green TAKE made its debut on 11/4/1987 and Buzzr reran that episode back on 2/22. The Children's Week episodes that made much of this week's Buzzr episodes already had them in play.
Thanks. I am a couple weeks behind, probably should have asked that AFTER I watched those!
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: vtown7 on March 03, 2019, 10:43:57 PM
Curiosity question about Classic Concentration: at what point in the run did they let the contestants start explaining the puzzles?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: joshg on March 04, 2019, 12:15:22 AM
Curiosity question about Classic Concentration: at what point in the run did they let the contestants start explaining the puzzles?
1989? I have shows I recorded in late 1988 when casual Alex is hosting and he still explains the puzzles.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on March 04, 2019, 10:27:45 AM
Curiosity question about Classic Concentration: at what point in the run did they let the contestants start explaining the puzzles?
The latest show I could find on YouTube from 1988 still has Alex explaining the puzzles, but by January 1989, the contestants were.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on March 07, 2019, 10:53:21 AM
The FF eps are all from 1994 (half hour versions--104 is first, then 96, 97 and 98).

Anybody have any idea what could be special about these episodes? Judging by the high episode numbers and the fact that they're 30 minutes, I'd guess that they're from Ray Combs' last season and not the season with Dawson's return.

I got a press release from Buzzr that includes a few video clips, one of which is of the Burnett/White matchup from the 94-95 season with Dawson, so that answers that.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: aaron sica on March 07, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
Now they are at the point on CC where they are displaying the puzzle solution on the screen after the contestant solves it.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Allstar87 on March 07, 2019, 12:20:01 PM
Now they are at the point on CC where they are displaying the puzzle solution on the screen after the contestant solves it.

The first episode with that aired on Tuesday, so it should rerun this weekend if you want to catch it. :) Alex acknowledged the change after the first puzzle that day, saying it was in response to the letters from hard-of-hearing viewers.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: aaron sica on March 07, 2019, 12:21:17 PM
The first episode with that aired on Tuesday, so it should rerun this weekend if you want to catch it. :) Alex acknowledged the change after the first puzzle that day, saying it was in response to the letters from hard-of-hearing viewers.

Yep, and thanks for the clarification on which day it was! I watched it but didn't remember.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on March 07, 2019, 12:53:09 PM
Now they are at the point on CC where they are displaying the puzzle solution on the screen after the contestant solves it.
For some reason, I thought that came a couple years later. Maybe Iím thinking of when they started displaying the solution during Geneís intro?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Pyramid80 on March 07, 2019, 01:32:38 PM
The FF eps are all from 1994 (half hour versions--104 is first, then 96, 97 and 98).

Anybody have any idea what could be special about these episodes? Judging by the high episode numbers and the fact that they're 30 minutes, I'd guess that they're from Ray Combs' last season and not the season with Dawson's return.

I got a press release from Buzzr that includes a few video clips, one of which is of the Burnett/White matchup from the 94-95 season with Dawson, so that answers that.
Awesome, these will be new to me!
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: aaron sica on March 07, 2019, 02:00:58 PM
For some reason, I thought that came a couple years later. Maybe Iím thinking of when they started displaying the solution during Geneís intro?

Are you thinking of the contestant showing the solution instead of Alex? I know that was a couple more years down the road...
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SRIV94 on March 08, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
In unrelated news to this, CC continues to at least the week before Xmas 1987 (151 on 3/15, OAD supposedly 12/18/87).  TATTLETALES goes back in time from 252 to 202 on 3/12.

We'll get into 1988 on 3/22.

And only get as far as 1/6/88 on 3/25.  3/26 we go back to ep 1.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on March 08, 2019, 04:12:54 PM
For some reason, I thought that came a couple years later. Maybe Iím thinking of when they started displaying the solution during Geneís intro?

Are you thinking of the contestant showing the solution instead of Alex? I know that was a couple more years down the road...
No, no. At some point, during the intro, Gene would explain the puzzle, and they would superimpose the solution there too, then wipe to the cars.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on March 08, 2019, 05:00:59 PM
According to a promo that started airing today, the Card Sharks celebrity tournament from 1980 starts airing on April 1st.

"He changed a queen and he won?!?!?"
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: chargeradiocom on March 09, 2019, 02:10:21 PM
This was an enjoyable little marathon. Quite a few things I hadnít seen in a long time if ever. (Iím not sure Iíd ever seen anything from the To Tell the Truth Ď80 run.)

Glad they kept the WML color panel intros for these episodes. While Iím not a huge stickler about minor edits here & there, the panel intros are really not something that should be edited out. Hopefully theyíll keep the intros in new-to-network WML eps going forward.

And about TPIR, I had a somewhat amusing thought, wondering how many casual game show fans stumbled across it in their channel guides or Pluto/STIRR/etc. app, turned it on expecting Barker era, and were lost as to what was going on.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Sodboy13 on March 09, 2019, 03:18:32 PM
I've only seen a few episodes of Primetime Cullen TPIR, but what I have seen has always been just wonderfully bonkers. I also enjoyed that this episode gave a little hint of what the show would eventually become, with the winning bidder playing a game for more prizes, instead of just being given an automatic bonus.

I also find myself liking Feud '94 more than 16-year-old me did when it came out.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JMFabiano on March 10, 2019, 03:51:48 PM
This was an enjoyable little marathon. Quite a few things I hadnít seen in a long time if ever. (Iím not sure Iíd ever seen anything from the To Tell the Truth Ď80 run.)

Used to seeing it back in the day on GSN...think it was a weekend only airing by the time I got the network.  What I DIDN'T expect was to see the old Viacom ident at the end (yes, here we go with closing logos again...)  But really, GSN took care to eliminate that from its prints as well as other syndicators' logos, so that came out of nowhere. 
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on March 10, 2019, 04:24:53 PM
Is Buzzr rerunning any of these, or is anyone putting them on Youtube?
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Post by: Sodboy13 on March 10, 2019, 06:42:37 PM
They're rerunning a good chunk of them today, I think.
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Post by: NicholasM79 on March 12, 2019, 05:38:37 AM
One question that I hope someone can shed some light on is the closing music that Price used in this era (between approx. 1959 and 1961.) It's certainly stock music... but I wonder if someone possibly knows what it might be? I have video pasted below, cued up to the closing.

https://youtu.be/2doj6jJhnX0?t=1503
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Post by: JakeT on March 12, 2019, 07:03:25 PM
One question that I hope someone can shed some light on is the closing music that Price used in this era (between approx. 1959 and 1961.) It's certainly stock music... but I wonder if someone possibly knows what it might be? I have video pasted below, cued up to the closing.

https://youtu.be/2doj6jJhnX0?t=1503

I've often wondered about that music as well...hope some answers will come...it is a bright and bouncy tune!

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Bryce L. on September 04, 2019, 10:31:39 AM
Apologies for the bump, but per Buzzr's Instagram, starting in October, we'll be getting Cullen TPIR every Sunday at 4:00pm.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1_hSXHn-d_/
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Post by: BillCullen1 on September 05, 2019, 12:12:05 AM
So we finally get to hear the dulcet tones of Don Pardo on Buzzr, on a regular basis.
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Post by: That Don Guy on October 14, 2019, 07:44:45 PM
One of the things I remembered about the Cullen episodes when GSN aired them was, when they announced the home showcase winners, they left the names and addresses in. They have aired three home showcase results episodes so far (at least, that's how many my DVR picked up), and now, the names and addresses are censored, and whited out on the screen (although they did let one name slip through, and either they forgot to remove the last names when the host congratulated them, or decided it wasn't necessary).

What still surprises me is, multiple people - wasn't it over 60 for one of them - got the price of the complete set on the nose, to the penny, but they did not get their prices by knowing the prices of all of the individual items separately.
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Post by: BillCullen1 on October 14, 2019, 08:56:09 PM
The one show (the third one) I saw on 10/13 had Merv Griffin hosting for vacationing Uncle Bill. Contestants were bidding $1 higher than a previous bid even back then.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on October 14, 2019, 10:49:46 PM
Contestants were bidding $1 higher than a previous bid even back then.
I thought there were minimum bid increments on this version.
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Post by: Bryce L. on October 14, 2019, 11:32:12 PM
Contestants were bidding $1 higher than a previous bid even back then.
I thought there were minimum bid increments on this version.
Sometimes there were, sometimes there weren't, depended on the item.
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Post by: Adam Nedeff on October 15, 2019, 10:43:58 PM
What still surprises me is, multiple people - wasn't it over 60 for one of them - got the price of the complete set on the nose, to the penny, but they did not get their prices by knowing the prices of all of the individual items separately.
Those were "blind items," a little trick that Bob Stewart employed to make it a little bit challenging. One or two items in each Showcase were custom-made items, so viewers couldn't research them. In the event of a tie, the blind items were the ones used for the tiebreakers. The large number of exact bids is just a fluke of good research and math. Viewers found the exact prices for the other items, estimated on the blind items, and the estimates on the blind items, while individually wrong, worked out to the right number.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SuperMatch93 on October 16, 2019, 07:30:56 AM
I'd imagine another contributor to the large amount of close/perfect bids was statistics; when a home viewer game gets 20 million postcards per week or whatever Price got at its peak, there's going to be a lot of similar bids.

Not surprised they eventually brought in the Sweepstakes, especially after that one showcase where they had to break a 62-way tie.
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Post by: tvmitch on October 16, 2019, 08:48:50 AM
Those were "blind items," a little trick that Bob Stewart employed to make it a little bit challenging. One or two items in each Showcase were custom-made items, so viewers couldn't research them. In the event of a tie, the blind items were the ones used for the tiebreakers. The large number of exact bids is just a fluke of good research and math. Viewers found the exact prices for the other items, estimated on the blind items, and the estimates on the blind items, while individually wrong, worked out to the right number.
Also, don't underestimate the number of people who set aside time to send 1,000 postcards or more. When I worked at a local TV station, we had an ongoing postcard contest where one person a day would win a coffee mug or an umbrella, and the amount of postcards we received for those sub-$20 prizes was staggering. People would buy those pre-stamped postcards from the post office in bulk and fill them all out.
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Post by: Joe Mello on October 20, 2019, 10:02:10 AM
Contestants were bidding $1 higher than a previous bid even back then.
I thought there were minimum bid increments on this version.
Sometimes there were, sometimes there weren't, depended on the item.
That same show had minimums for a different prize.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SamJ93 on October 20, 2019, 05:34:13 PM
The 4:40PM episode of Cullen TPiR today had some of the strangest censoring I've ever seen. The first IUFB, a mini-car, had the name of its manufacturer blacked-out every name Don or Bill mentioned it.

(The location of the manufacturer, Athens, OH, was left uncensored, though...through which it was fairly easy to determine that the car in question was a King Midget. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Midget))
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Post by: gamed121683 on October 20, 2019, 05:39:10 PM
The 4:40PM episode of Cullen TPiR today had some of the strangest censoring I've ever seen. The first IUFB, a mini-car, had the name of its manufacturer blacked-out every name Don or Bill mentioned it.

(The location of the manufacturer, Athens, OH, was left uncensored, though...through which it was fairly easy to determine that the car in question was a King Midget. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Midget))

Obviously, someone at BUZZR despises all definitions of the word "Midget".
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: PPatters on October 20, 2019, 05:46:49 PM
Obviously, someone at BUZZR despises all definitions of the word "Midget".

As a slur, I think all ďdefinitionsĒ are offensive. And, from their Facebook, it doesnít appear that itís one person that doesnít like the word, but instead a policy agreed upon by many people.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jjman920 on October 20, 2019, 09:46:03 PM
The 4:40PM episode of Cullen TPiR today had some of the strangest censoring I've ever seen. The first IUFB, a mini-car, had the name of its manufacturer blacked-out every name Don or Bill mentioned it.

(The location of the manufacturer, Athens, OH, was left uncensored, though...through which it was fairly easy to determine that the car in question was a King Midget. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Midget))
The episode aired today was one that was included on the DVD set from '07, I believe. In fact, both of the first two episodes were. So, I recognized what it was and immediately realized what they were censoring.

I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Bryce L. on October 20, 2019, 11:48:01 PM
I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.
Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 21, 2019, 06:56:36 PM
I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.

The answer is quite simple...

What WAS once normal no longer IS normal...there is much in our history that was once considered "normal" but that, by no means, suggests we should embrace it or celebrate it now...if you don't get how the insensitivity and bigotry of the past can still harm people in the present, that's on you...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 21, 2019, 06:58:10 PM
Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).

Why the need/desperation to hear words that you already know are there but will hurt others if they do air? 

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Allstar87 on October 21, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).

Why the need/desperation to hear words that you already know are there but will hurt others if they do air? 

JakeT

Some people like seeing the shows as they originally aired, warts and all. It's not embracing or celebrating awfulness; it's simply acknowledging that it was there.

Warner Brothers handles the issue pretty elegantly with the  disclaimer (https://imgur.com/gallery/U8UZyVI) on some of their cartoon DVDs. Adding something like that to the internet uploads would be a decent solution; the original is online for people who want to see it, and the edited version is on TV for those who don't. (Or if it can't be edited without disrupting the game, it stays online-only.)

Different viewers have different sensitivities, there's nothing bad about that. By making edited and unedited versions available in some form, both parties can be satisfied.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 21, 2019, 08:39:37 PM
Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).

Why the need/desperation to hear words that you already know are there but will hurt others if they do air? 

JakeT

Some people like seeing the shows as they originally aired, warts and all. It's not embracing or celebrating awfulness; it's simply acknowledging that it was there.

Warner Brothers handles the issue pretty elegantly with the  disclaimer (https://imgur.com/gallery/U8UZyVI) on some of their cartoon DVDs. Adding something like that to the internet uploads would be a decent solution; the original is online for people who want to see it, and the edited version is on TV for those who don't. (Or if it can't be edited without disrupting the game, it stays online-only.)

Different viewers have different sensitivities, there's nothing bad about that. By making edited and unedited versions available in some form, both parties can be satisfied.

At the risk of having to repeat myself, "if you don't get how the insensitivity and bigotry of the past can still harm people in the present, that's on you..."

This isn't about "different sensitivities"...this is just one in a slew of examples of the bigoted history in our nation and you, among others, are eager to sweep this under the rug and accuse decent-minded people who want to see the end of such prejudices of being overly-sensitive...

There is a simple principle that all humans are expected to live by: right vs. wrong...when you refuse to acknowledge this and are willing to condone the sins of the past for the sake of your own personal entertainment, it's time for you to perhaps take a moment for some personal reflection...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jjman920 on October 21, 2019, 10:43:52 PM
So, do you suggest we ignore history? There's a saying about what that leads to. It has in the past and is currently doing so now.

I never said that it should be celebrated nor embraced. And no one is saying "WATCH BUZZR FOR THE USE OF THESE BANNED WORDS." Buzzr's not airing a promo saying, "We're airing these words you can't say anymore." No one is getting off because they can finally hear these words on a game show. I'm saying that it shouldn't be ignored or erased from history.

What WAS once normal no longer IS normal...there is much in our history that was once considered "normal" but that, by no means, suggests we should embrace it or celebrate it now...if you don't get how the insensitivity and bigotry of the past can still harm people in the present, that's on you...
History *is* painful. A lot of people did a lot of bad things and there's going to be pain in confronting those bad things. But confronting those things is important to keep them from happening again. It has hurt me to read about the things that have been done in the past, but it's also made me a better person for learning about them.

You mention "sweeping under the rug", well what do you think not mentioning or acknowledging it is doing?

Also, people don't know what the words are that are already there. Most people aren't us who recognize that these shows have already aired and can go back to see what they are. And most aren't going to look it up. So in the case of this instance on Price and the MG prompt on MGHS, people are simply left in the dark for an entire segment. And in the case of MGHS, it literally affects following along with the game.

This censoring may not seem important, and it mostly isn't in this context, but television is just as much of a record for history as film, music, literature or textbooks. And these gems airing certainly do count among those.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 21, 2019, 11:33:40 PM
So, do you suggest we ignore history? There's a saying about what that leads to. It has in the past and is currently doing so now.
<snip>
This censoring may not seem important, and it mostly isn't in this context, but television is just as much of a record for history as film, music, literature or textbooks. And these gems airing certainly do count among those.

Removing offensive material is NOT "ignoring history" and that has been one of the most bullshit arguments used by those determined to keep the celebration of bigotry alive in this country...

And, please...don't insult my or the intelligence of others by trying to treat a 30+ year old game show rerun like it's some masterpiece like the Mona Lisa or "Citizen Kane"...

JakeT

Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Bryce L. on October 21, 2019, 11:49:56 PM
People who look for reasons to be offended, will find them every damn time. And if they choose to see it that way, it's their own problem.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: PPatters on October 21, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
People who look for reasons to be offended, will find them every damn time. And if they choose to see it that way, it's their own problem.

I know Little People, though, who hear that word and feel very attacked by it. This is a word that has been hurled at them to dehumanize them, to compare them to circus sideshows, and itís hurtful because itís a word meant to hurt. I donít think disliking this word and hearing it on national television means that theyíll find a reason to be offended ďevery damn time,Ē nor do I see that as their problem. To feel a physical reaction, to be gutted by that word, I understand why someone would not want to hear it.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 21, 2019, 11:55:10 PM
People who look for reasons to be offended, will find them every damn time. And if they choose to see it that way, it's their own problem.

Spoken like the typical American racist/bigot...nice job...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Bryce L. on October 21, 2019, 11:58:25 PM
People who look for reasons to be offended, will find them every damn time. And if they choose to see it that way, it's their own problem.

Spoken like the typical American racist/bigot...nice job...

JakeT
Takes one to know one.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on October 22, 2019, 12:13:53 AM
Y'know, this conversation actually has interesting points being made on both sides. But it's devolving very rapidly.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jjman920 on October 22, 2019, 01:15:29 AM
Removing offensive material is NOT "ignoring history" and that has been one of the most bullshit arguments used by those determined to keep the celebration of bigotry alive in this country...
It's like you completely missed that "doomed to repeat it" reference I started my post out with.

Trust me, I don't want to keep bigotry alive in this country. I'm black and gay, and have faced years of depression from bullying and name calling. Social media's a cesspool and the White House is a garbage disposal. I know how words (and images) hurt just as much as you and many people on this board probably do.

I'm not saying let's keep the confederate monuments up in public, but I'm also not saying to destroy them. Museums exist to display them just like this network exists to show off Fremantle's vast library of game shows. Trying to learn is not celebrating anything. It's learning.


And, please...don't insult my or the intelligence of others by trying to treat a 30+ year old game show rerun like it's some masterpiece like the Mona Lisa or "Citizen Kane"...
I'm treating it like a piece of *history* because that what it is. Do not dismiss the value of game show reruns. I've learned *a lot* from them. Just like reruns of sitcoms, dramas, and archives of news footage and commercials, they have all captured a piece of time. A record of what references and social norms were like at that time. Seeing them has sparked a curiosity in me that inspired me to search and learn more about the people that appeared on them and references made. They actually *are* important, sometimes as the only audio-visual record of important things. Like Philo Farnsworth and the last surviving witness of Lincoln's assassination on IGAS or some of the transcendent guests on WML? And those are just a few examples I can think of. I'm sure others here can come up with more.

And some people on this site have dedicated considerable amounts of their time cataloging history through these game shows. And these things have served and do serve a probative value in knowing what the past was like. Don't insult those people.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jjman920 on October 22, 2019, 01:31:53 AM
People who look for reasons to be offended, will find them every damn time. And if they choose to see it that way, it's their own problem.

I know Little People, though, who hear that word and feel very attacked by it. This is a word that has been hurled at them to dehumanize them, to compare them to circus sideshows, and itís hurtful because itís a word meant to hurt. I donít think disliking this word and hearing it on national television means that theyíll find a reason to be offended ďevery damn time,Ē nor do I see that as their problem. To feel a physical reaction, to be gutted by that word, I understand why someone would not want to hear it.
And I think it's important to recognize the context in which it's presented. Like I said, history is *brutal.* So many bad things have happened to so many swaths of people who never deserved any of it. People simply trying to live their lives. I can understand if it is too painful for some people to face it all the time.

That's why a disclaimer would be a good idea. So, people aren't ambushed by things they aren't prepared for.

I'm not saying "nothing should be censored", but I do think that not everything should be censored.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 22, 2019, 06:36:24 PM
People who look for reasons to be offended, will find them every damn time. And if they choose to see it that way, it's their own problem.

Spoken like the typical American racist/bigot...nice job...

JakeT
Takes one to know one.

Congratulations for posting the most mature retort of 2019...

But, since you were so clever to make such an accusation, feel free to review years of my posts here, on Facebook and any other media/online platform and cite ANY examples you can find where I have demonstrated racism or bigotry...much of my life have been devoted to ENDING racism and bigotry so, before you make such an asinine statement, get your facts right...

And try to communicate beyond the level of a 12-year-old...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 22, 2019, 06:45:16 PM

And some people on this site have dedicated considerable amounts of their time cataloging history through these game shows. And these things have served and do serve a probative value in knowing what the past was like. Don't insult those people.

It would be helpful if you had the slightest clue who you were talking to...back in the '90s, I had one of the world's largest, best-celebrated private game show video archives...many of the cataloguing formats used by many collectors originated from MY original catalog...I AM "those people"...

And "probative" value?  Now you've just moved into being total absurd...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 22, 2019, 06:54:54 PM
Trust me, I don't want to keep bigotry alive in this country. I'm black and gay, and have faced years of depression from bullying and name calling. Social media's a cesspool and the White House is a garbage disposal. I know how words (and images) hurt just as much as you and many people on this board probably do.

So, then I would assume you would find it offensive, objectionable and worthy of censoring if someone were to use "n----- f-----" on some show because you are aware of the damaging effects of such ignorant hateful bigoted terms...

Then you should be aware that slurs that might not affect you DO harm others...they see them as bullying...they see them as dehumanizing...there is NO value in harmful slurs being aired just to please some purists when it can do demonstrable harm to others and when it most certainly does not do any actual damage to the product as a whole...

If they do what you ask and air harmful content just to please you, are you willing to provide whatever help that is needed to those it may have harmed?  For some, continued dehumanization leads to mental illness and even suicide...is hearing the word "m-----" THAT important to you?

I really don't have anymore more I can say to you on the subject...except that the fact that a doubly-marginalized person like yourself can't grasp the harm that such language does to others is incredibly disappointing to me...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jjman920 on October 22, 2019, 07:07:30 PM
I don't need to have a clue. If you're in the category I mentioned, then I'd think you'd see where I was coming from.

I literally laid out examples about why game shows/television have historical value. They're time capsules. And a lot of it wasn't saved until the 1980s. So, anything prior to that decade is, again, important to knowing what things were like back then.

I fail to understand how recording history is not probative. It literally acts a proof that something happened. That's literally the definition of the word.

But I'll go stand in the absurd section of the Paley Center.

EDIT: I'm sorry that my ability to disassociate the use of a word from 60 years ago against the use of the word now is confusing and disappointing to you. The Buzzr thing really doesn't matter that much to me besides losing the historical value. I'm not losing any sleep over it.

I don't know what else I could say. I'm not trying to celebrate the ugly parts of history. I'm not trying to rub it in people's faces. That's why I suggested a disclaimer. There are documentaries and museums that catalog history with the words and imagery far nastier that what Buzzr is bleeping out. Should those documentaries not air, should those museums not exist? Should the Holocaust be taken out of textbooks and not taught in schools?

I just don't want to see history erased. I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JMFabiano on October 22, 2019, 07:34:39 PM
I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.
Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).

Doesn't Buzzr skip the "Sicilian" episode of Password Plus for this reason?  Despite the muting/blacking out that NBC or GSN applied to the segment? 

I also heard speculation that this is why we haven't seen the premiere of MG/HS yet.  As two MG questions have punchlines that don't age well (one about a son who wants to grow up to be a girl, the other is the typical "tough" school question and leads to the punchline about kids playing with guns there).  Buzzr is usually honest about this sort of thing, have they said one way or the other? 

/Yet they keep the Liz Taylor questions, go fig.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jjman920 on October 22, 2019, 07:58:18 PM
I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.
Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).

Doesn't Buzzr skip the "Sicilian" episode of Password Plus for this reason?  Despite the muting/blacking out that NBC or GSN applied to the segment? 
If they had, I don't think they did most recently. I'm pretty sure that came up a few weeks ago and I was confused for like a minute before I remember it already being censored before Buzzr aired it. I thought my stream had frozen because the shot was on the whole desk with no word on the front and no audio.

That was an instance where they realized it was wrong back then. Prompting Allen to make an apology on a later episode, correct?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Allstar87 on October 22, 2019, 08:03:58 PM
That was an instance where they realized it was wrong back then. Prompting Allen to make an apology on a later episode, correct?

Correct! :) I don't recall the exact date of the later episode, but it was about a month or two later.

EDIT: The apology aired on September 10, 1979.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JMFabiano on October 22, 2019, 08:18:43 PM
I understand the tide is turning finally and the word is being considered a slur, but I believe that it should just be left in as a product of the time. I've felt that in seeing the Censored Eleven cartoons (and others with racial insensitivity) and the sitcoms of the 70's with uses of the N-word. It's a disservice to teaching why we shouldn't go back to what was normal. Air with a disclaimer if there's fear of major backlash.
Or, if that's not enough, maybe skip that one for the network, but upload it (uncensored) to the YouTube page (like they did with the Jim Hess episode of PYL).

Doesn't Buzzr skip the "Sicilian" episode of Password Plus for this reason?  Despite the muting/blacking out that NBC or GSN applied to the segment? 
If they had, I don't think they did most recently. I'm pretty sure that came up a few weeks ago and I was confused for like a minute before I remember it already being censored before Buzzr aired it. I thought my stream had frozen because the shot was on the whole desk with no word on the front and no audio.

That was an instance where they realized it was wrong back then. Prompting Allen to make an apology on a later episode, correct?

Yes, which is why I think NBC or G-T itself may have done the censoring, and that's how GSN and Buzzr received the episode.  Master tapes have been cut up before...think this is what MTV did with the Beavis and Butt-head masters after the "fire incident."  To a lesser extent, the edited version of "It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown" is pretty much the "official" one after its first broadcast. 

A game show episode YouTube channel did post the PW+ episode and claimed Buzzr skips it. 
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: tvmitch on October 22, 2019, 08:21:58 PM
I also heard speculation that this is why we haven't seen the premiere of MG/HS yet.  As two MG questions have punchlines that don't age well (one about a son who wants to grow up to be a girl, the other is the typical "tough" school question and leads to the punchline about kids playing with guns there).
It's not just the first episode though. In watching these MG/HS shows, I'm really surprised at how poorly these punchlines and topics have aged and how the show comes off as mean-spirited - to me, at least. There's at least one offensive question or comment in each show. I can't say I've watched a ton of late syndie MG over the years but I certainly don't recall MG relying so heavily on that type of humor.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SuperMatch93 on October 23, 2019, 10:25:14 AM
I can't say I've watched a ton of late syndie MG over the years but I certainly don't recall MG relying so heavily on that type of humor.

To be fair, there are a few episodes of '73 that don't air anymore because some panelists (Brett I think, but there may have been others) would write "fag" as an answer. It's lazy writing, to be honest.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JasonA1 on October 24, 2019, 05:16:14 PM
/Yet they keep the Liz Taylor questions, go fig.

This touches upon my thoughts on the entire thing: the whole of old game shows are tonally different from where we are today. Censoring or not censoring doesn't inherently bother me, but to target one thing over the other feels a bit arbitrary.

For instance, a large swath of Card Sharks questions played upon stereotypes. From my observation, the early Perry writing put forth a generally understood stereotype in the question (i.e. We asked 100 New York cab drivers: do you think that a woman could become a good cab driver?), but a lot of the talk-out and results showed the times were changing (answer to this one: 70 said yes).

That's a bit far apart from some of the words we're discussing here, but it does make me think. Match Game is always going to be full of things that wouldn't be said today, and all of the series they air have episodes with then-innocuous chatter that feel a mile away from the norms of 2019.

-Jason
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on October 24, 2019, 05:26:12 PM
/Yet they keep the Liz Taylor questions, go fig.

This touches upon my thoughts on the entire thing: the whole of old game shows are tonally different from where we are today. Censoring or not censoring doesn't inherently bother me, but to target one thing over the other feels a bit arbitrary.
I'm seeing this apply more and more to pop culture in general. I've seen several articles that complain about (insert TV show/movie from 30+ years ago) being offensive or "problematic" one way or another. I'm not saying the dialogue is appropriate, and I know it's hard to watch a 1980s TV show through 1980s eyes, but a lot of it should be seen through a different lens, even if it comes across as cringeworthy today*.

It's great that we have these discussions in 2019, and I don't have an issue with censoring or not censoring either. But I do feel some things are a stretch.

*Nothing discussed on this thread
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Fedya on October 26, 2019, 08:38:48 AM
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Why the need/desperation to hear words that you already know are there but will hurt others if they do air?

Why the need/desperation to control what other people hear?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 26, 2019, 08:20:20 PM
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Why the need/desperation to hear words that you already know are there but will hurt others if they do air?

Why the need/desperation to control what other people hear?

It has nothing to do with "controlling" what other people hear...it has EVERYTHING to do with recognizing that society has evolved over time...it has been recognized that certain actions, attitudes and language, which were somehow considered "acceptable" at the time, were, in fact, bigoted and harmful to not only individuals but to society as a whole...it has been determined that educated people understand that hate speech/slurs against various races, genders, sexual orientations and other marginalized groups simply aren't acceptable in a society that claims to embrace freedom, equality and decency towards our fellow man...

This is, by no means, a concept that is hard to understand...at least, it shouldn't be...the only ones that seem invested in these aberrations of our history are the ones who still enjoy using them to harm others today...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Fedya on October 27, 2019, 01:00:28 PM
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It has nothing to do with "controlling" what other people hear

Yes it does.  Consider a word like "retard", which gained currency in part because the words that had been used in the past, such as "moron" and "imbecile" were perceived to have become pejoratives.  It didn't take long for the bansturbators to decide that "retard" was a pejorative too.  And then the next word is going to be declared a pejorative, and the one after that.

Frankly, "little people" sounds to my ear far more insulting than does "midget".

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This is, by no means, a concept that is hard to understand...at least, it shouldn't be...the only ones that seem invested in these aberrations of our history are the ones who still enjoy using them to harm others today...

The projection is strong here.  Note the assuming of other people's intentions (and that they're always perceived to be bad), and the arrogation of the moral high ground to oneself here.  So much of so-called "social justice" seems to be about deliberately being nasty to other people and then claiming one is really doing it to be "virtuous" and for the victim's own good.  35 years ago when the smoking bans were beginning to take off there were people saying that the next thing you know, they'd be telling you what you can and cannot eat.  They were pooh-poohed, but of course turned out to be right.  If you want some good examples, the UK Guardian's "Comment is Free" is full of them, with one of my favorites being the war on... cupcakes (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/18/trouble-with-cupcakes).

Or do a search on "woke knitting" if you want to go down a different rabbit hole.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on October 27, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
+1 to all of what Ted said.

The last time someone called me a midget, I kicked them in their knee.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Eric Paddon on October 27, 2019, 03:40:12 PM
I guess one of the funniest moments in the history of "The Odd Couple" is now taboo to the thought police?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGI9vFheRCE
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: BrandonFG on October 27, 2019, 03:52:49 PM
I think the simplest thing is to see these shows as a product of their time. The Honeymooners is considered a classic and is a funny show, but I'm also sure someone in 2019 may not appreciate Ralph Kramden threatening domestic violence, no matter how hard the audience laughs.

It is possible to enjoy a show from back in the day, realize how the show is not very PC by today's standards, but still enjoy the show as a time capsule of a different era, case in point the clip Eric posted. That's not a bad thing. If a network decides to keep an un-PC joke in the show, that's not a bad thing. If the network edits the joke out to appease viewers, that's also not a bad thing. As this thread has shown, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

/Can't wait to analyze a Wheel rerun in 2047
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: tyshaun1 on October 27, 2019, 04:52:30 PM

Frankly, "little people" sounds to my ear far more insulting than does "midget".


It's pretty simple man. If the person you're directing it towards is offended by it, STOP USING IT. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Eric Paddon on October 27, 2019, 06:23:36 PM
And maybe I just find it a little bit hypocritical how the same people who would get wound up over Tony Randall saying "midget" are likely the ones who think it's cool and hip to say "sxxx" like Tony once did on Pyramid!  (and who probably think all forms of crude sexual innuendo words are hilarious and if anyone thinks otherwise, oh how stuck up they must be)



Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: JakeT on October 28, 2019, 10:19:41 PM
And maybe I just find it a little bit hypocritical how the same people who would get wound up over Tony Randall saying "m-----" are likely the ones who think it's cool and hip to say "sxxx" like Tony once did on Pyramid!  (and who probably think all forms of crude sexual innuendo words are hilarious and if anyone thinks otherwise, oh how stuck up they must be)

The word is "shit" and it never has been used as a pejorative bigoted slur targeted at any particular marginalized people...if you don't grasp the difference between the use of random untargeted gratuitous profanity and the use of bigoted hateful slurs, it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation...

Nothing in this thread has anything to do with anyone trying to be "cool and hip" and nothing about someone's speaking out against hurtful language targeted at marginalized people makes them even remotely "stuck up"...

The only thing that this thread has managed to do is to reveal the abundance of clueless unenlightened people still around these days...it's pretty damn sad...worse part is that those most clueless are proving to be the most proud of their ignorance...

JakeT
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Eric Paddon on October 29, 2019, 12:13:57 AM
Thank you for proving my point regarding the hypocrisy of those who think being boorish and crude is a virtue and then out of the other side of their mouths love to proclaim how "progressive and enlightened" they are.     And I made a distinction between the s-word and sexual innuendo which has also become overly commonplace in our language and no one thinks *that* should be restrained somehow.

And as for what constitutes a "hateful slur", increasingly that's becoming more and more what professional whiners want it to be and they usually end up being the same people who are perfectly okay with hateful slurs (like the c-word for women) being uttered against someone because of who they voted for or who they work for in the political arena.

Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: TonicBH on October 30, 2019, 01:08:27 AM
And as for what constitutes a "hateful slur", increasingly that's becoming more and more what professional whiners want it to be and they usually end up being the same people who are perfectly okay with hateful slurs (like the c-word for women) being uttered against someone because of who they voted for or who they work for in the political arena.

It's difficult to take your argument seriously when you dismiss the people concerned about people using certain slurs as "whiners."

Look, I understand: Sometimes things go too far. Some of these might be misconstrued thanks to companies with good PR departments and news sites looking for the next shocking thing. But you shouldn't dismiss "you shouldn't use words like midget" because you think it's whining.

It just comes off as someone being angry they can't use certain words or jokes in public anymore. Often times they lack empathy for those people, finding enjoyment in punching down. We don't need that in 2019.

As for the original argument: It's Buzzr, they have final say on what can and can't air. And if they feel a brand of car using a word we consider a slur nowadays is questionable, they have the right to censor it. It's their channel, they can do whatever they feel is best.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Dan88 on October 30, 2019, 03:24:42 AM
JakeT, I think you're being a bit overzealous. I get where you're coming from, but your replies come across as "You're only disagreeing with me because you like hurtful language!" I can't speak for anyone else here, but I personally hate hurtful language.

Yes, hearing Don Pardo say that M-word or Brett Somers writing "F**" as her answer or any number of other things being done so casually is cringeworthy since there was a lot more insensitivity back then towards certain groups of people (those of Japanese, Chinese, and African descent having gotten a particularly raw deal; eesh), and Buzzr's well within its rights to censor such things for over-the-air broadcast, but being exposed to that stuff through other avenues doesn't mean I'm going to copy it for one simple reason - because I know better.

I love watching old TV shows, movies, and cartoons, some of which had cringeworthy stereotypes and/or slurs, but supporting the ability to watch such things without their being hacked up (again, I support Buzzr not wanting that crap to air on TV) doesn't mean I support racism or using slurs - it means I support the ideas of 1) preservation and 2) using such incidents as good examples of how monumentally stupid we humans used to be.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: clemon79 on October 30, 2019, 11:08:25 AM
punching down.

Not cool, man. Not. Cool.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: PPatters on October 30, 2019, 11:30:32 AM
Unfortunately, I think this has devolved a bit. Ultimately, I know many Little People. (I'm not just saying that. I'm not one of those people who is pretending to know people in a group that doesn't. Through my husband's work, we work a lot with Little People.) They prefer the term Little People, so while it may seem offensive to some who do not identify as Little People, it is the opposite for those who do. (The literally call their national organization Little People of America.) Additionally, they loathe and detest the "m-word." They see it as dehumanizing and have had it thrown at them to make them feel as less-than. If you watch any shows that focus on LPs (e.g., Little People Big World, Little Women, etc...), you'll see that as a common theme. If we can do anything to avoid that word being heard, I don't see it as a problem and I think it's a great thing that Buzzr is doing.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Eric Paddon on October 30, 2019, 12:24:51 PM
It's difficult to take your argument seriously when you dismiss the people concerned about people using certain slurs as "whiners."

Because that has been *my* experience.   I have seen people assaulted, slurred and mocked for their religious and political beliefs by inevitably the *same* people who keep pushing for these retroactive shaming lessons that so often are devoid of context (and I'm not talking about the worst examples like n and f-words)    When it gets to the point where the mobs have gotten Kate Smith's recording of "God Bless America" banned at sporting events because of a couple objectionable by modern-standard songs she recorded in the 1930s that is why I am automatically going to be rolling my eyes at the latest binge of PC rewriting.   Frankly when it comes to cheap shots in old Match Game answers, perhaps we should note the bad taste attacks on Nixon family members that Patti Deutsch self-indulgently engaged in multiple times (attacking Nixon was fine; his family should have been off-limits, and there's also the fact that no contestant ever in a million years would have given an answer like that, so that only further underscored how uncalled for it was).

Is the last poster in favor of the permanent censoring of the Tony Randall "Odd Couple" scene?

This is not about using words like that in our everyday language.    I *don't* use that word in my everyday language.    What I'm not in favor of is suppressing the historical record and I'm also not in favor of hearing puffed-chest declarations of how much more "enlightened" we are today when there are a lot of other examples conveniently overlooked in today's society that would tell us that just isn't so. 
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: SuperMatch93 on October 30, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
Have the episodes been relatively sequential at this point? I know there are some gaps in the G-T archive when it comes to the nighttime show, but what's the longest we've gone at this point without a missing episode?
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Bryce L. on October 30, 2019, 01:29:49 PM
Have the episodes been relatively sequential at this point?
Seems we've kinda-sorta skipped around:

10/6: 9/16/1959, 9/30/1959 and 10/7/1959
10/13: 12/2/1959, 8/5/1959 and 8/12/1959
10/20: 1/13/1960, 1/27/1960 and 4/13/1960
10/27: 4/27/1960, 6/1/1960 and 6/15/1960
scheduled for 11/3: 6/29/1960, 8/31/1960 and 9/28/1960
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: snowpeck on October 30, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
Have the episodes been relatively sequential at this point?
Seems we've kinda-sorta skipped around:

10/6: 9/16/1959, 9/30/1959 and 10/7/1959
10/13: 12/2/1959, 8/5/1959 and 8/12/1959
10/20: 1/13/1960, 1/27/1960 and 4/13/1960
10/27: 4/27/1960, 6/1/1960 and 6/15/1960
scheduled for 11/3: 6/29/1960, 8/31/1960 and 9/28/1960

They're mostly going in chronological order. Those August 1959 shows aired out of sequence presumably because they didn't want to start their run of Cullen TPIR with two shows guest hosted by Merv Griffin.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Adam Nedeff on October 30, 2019, 06:54:39 PM
scheduled for 11/3: 6/29/1960, 8/31/1960 and 9/28/1960
6/29/1960 is a GREAT episode, too. Set your DVRs.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: That Don Guy on November 06, 2019, 07:44:03 PM
scheduled for 11/3: 6/29/1960, 8/31/1960 and 9/28/1960
6/29/1960 is a GREAT episode, too. Set your DVRs.

I guess the "fur ban" doesn't apply to the Cullen episodes. And another showcase winner where they leave out the winner's name in the announcement, but when Bill congratulates them, their last name slips through.

BUZZR - where you can't say "midget," but showing fur coats is not a problem.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Allstar87 on November 06, 2019, 08:16:59 PM
BUZZR - where you can't say "midget," but showing fur coats is not a problem.

If showing fur coats was a problem, we would be skipping a LOT of Split Second episodes!
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Blanquepage on November 06, 2019, 09:02:55 PM
scheduled for 11/3: 6/29/1960, 8/31/1960 and 9/28/1960
6/29/1960 is a GREAT episode, too. Set your DVRs.

I guess the "fur ban" doesn't apply to the Cullen episodes. And another showcase winner where they leave out the winner's name in the announcement, but when Bill congratulates them, their last name slips through.

BUZZR - where you can't say "midget," but showing fur coats is not a problem.
Barker's "no fur coats allowed" stipulation never applied to GSN's rebroadcasts of Bill's TPiR either.
Bob Barker's personal offense to showing animal fur prizes and a word highly offensive to those with dwarfism have nothing to do with one another. Seriously people, unless you yourself have dwarfism, quit the whining about Buzzr being conscious enough to silence the word so as to not offend that population. Ok thanks, bye.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: clemon79 on November 06, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
BUZZR - where you can't say "midget," but showing fur coats is not a problem.

The midgets can complain in English. The fox sees the fox fur and just says "Ring-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!" and nobody knows what to do with it.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: Sodboy13 on November 06, 2019, 10:33:32 PM
I'm dying here. Give the man his prize.
Title: Re: Cullen TPIR on Buzzr?
Post by: jjman920 on November 07, 2019, 05:38:58 AM
BUZZR - where you can't say "midget," but showing fur coats is not a problem.
Yeah, because it's a piece of clothing. This ain't the take. Take that over to FS1.

I've already gone over my views and apologized since it seems my disappointing words aren't being read. Which is why I didn't post in the most recent dust up. Sorry if it comes off as "whining." Again, not losing sleep over this, still enjoying the series.