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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Argo on June 21, 2018, 10:21:21 AM
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Off and on I've noticed interesting game show disclaimers on game shows.
I haven't watched many Joker's Wild episodes, but noticed during the credits of a 1982 episode:
"in the event of the unavailability or price increase of any prize, producer reserves the right to substitute cash or prizes equivalent to the announced price of such prize"
Was this used often?
Also, I remember for a period, especially on 70's Nighttime TPIR, Johnny would say "The model of automobile won maybe changed due to availability, prices of automobiles do not include tax and license and hotel accommodations are subject to availability.", then that disappeared. Were there different rules for the daytime vs syndicated episodes?
One of the last disclaimers I've noticed was from Martindale High Rollers = "All Trips originate from Los Angeles".
Any other odd game show disclaimers anyone know about? Anyone know when/why they occurred or why they disappeared?
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Also, I remember for a period, especially on 70's Nighttime TPIR, Johnny would say "The model of automobile won maybe changed due to availability, prices of automobiles do not include tax and license and hotel accommodations are subject to availability.", then that disappeared. Were there different rules for the daytime vs syndicated episodes?
Not sure on that, but I do remember that on LMAD, Jay Stewart would usually say for car prizes, "we're adding tax and license bringing your total to $x,xxx.xx". Don't know of any other game shows that did that.
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Off and on I've noticed interesting game show disclaimers on game shows.
I haven't watched many Joker's Wild episodes, but noticed during the credits of a 1982 episode:
"in the event of the unavailability or price increase of any prize, producer reserves the right to substitute cash or prizes equivalent to the announced price of such prize"
Was this used often?
Joker & Tic Tac used that credit from late 1980 through almost the end of their runs in 1986. Bullseye used that credit as well, even after the switch to Celebrity Bullseye.
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Staying in the Barry & Enright stable.....
"Discovery of a contestant's ineligibility may result in forfeiture of accrued winnings and the donation by producer of such winnings to a charity."
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Staying in the Barry & Enright stable.....
"Discovery of a contestant's ineligibility may result in forfeiture of accrued winnings and the donation by producer of such winnings to a charity."
B&E must've disclaimered up the wazoo to try to make up for the 1950s stuff. I remember seeing the credits on an early syndie TJW where the list of ±"The following companies have furnished prizes for free or less than retail for promotion" included "Barry & Enright Prod."
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"Ben Stein's Money" is the prize budget furnished by the Producer.
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Any other odd game show disclaimers anyone know about? Anyone know when/why they occurred or why they disappeared?
Early episodes of WitWiCS had a disclaimer to the effect of "information was accurate as of tape date".
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Staying in the Barry & Enright stable.....
"Discovery of a contestant's ineligibility may result in forfeiture of accrued winnings and the donation by producer of such winnings to a charity."
B&E must've disclaimered up the wazoo to try to make up for the 1950s stuff. I remember seeing the credits on an early syndie TJW where the list of ±"The following companies have furnished prizes for free or less than retail for promotion" included "Barry & Enright Prod."
Wrong list lol. The list they appeared under "The following companies have paid or received a fee for promotion on the program." In the 1981-1982 season that credit became "The production company & T.M.C (Television Marketing Consultants) have been paid fees by the following suppliers of prizes for their use and promotion on the program."
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Any other odd game show disclaimers anyone know about? Anyone know when/why they occurred or why they disappeared?
Early episodes of WitWiCS had a disclaimer to the effect of "information was accurate as of tape date".
I think you have it reversed. As far as I recall, first season episodes didn't have that disclaimer. Later seasons did.
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Early episodes of WitWiCS had a disclaimer to the effect of "information was accurate as of tape date".
Many/most BBC quiz shows use "All information correct at time of recording":
(https://i.imgur.com/O125sui.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1cQcINL.png)
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Any other odd game show disclaimers anyone know about? Anyone know when/why they occurred or why they disappeared?
Early episodes of WitWiCS had a disclaimer to the effect of "information was accurate as of tape date".
I think you have it reversed. As far as I recall, first season episodes didn't have that disclaimer. Later seasons did.
This is true. After the show had been on a little while, there happened to be a bunch of upheaval geographically, notably the dissolution of Czechoslovakia. The WitWICS disclaimer was not on the shows originally, it came later.
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Dunno if this counts, but from Pyramid: I remember that middle paragraph caused a minor controversy back in the ATGS era...
(https://image.ibb.co/k6AdVT/pyramid.png)
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Any other odd game show disclaimers anyone know about? Anyone know when/why they occurred or why they disappeared?
Early episodes of WitWiCS had a disclaimer to the effect of "information was accurate as of tape date".
I think you have it reversed. As far as I recall, first season episodes didn't have that disclaimer. Later seasons did.
This is true. After the show had been on a little while, there happened to be a bunch of upheaval geographically, notably the dissolution of Czechoslovakia. The WitWICS disclaimer was not on the shows originally, it came later.
Whoops! Thanks for the correction. I knew the disclaimer was related to the break up of the Soviet Union.
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I remember part of the song being changed for seemingly exactly this reason.
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Some that come to mind:
"The prices of the prizes have been furnished to the contestants prior to the show and have been rounded off to the nearest dollar. Gift certificates do not include sales tax." And sometimes when a Southern California excursion was won, "The trip to _ does not include transportation."
"The areas of questions designed for the celebrities and possible bluff answers are discussed with some celebrities in advance. In the course of their briefing, actual questions and/or answers may be discerned by the celebrities."
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I remember part of the song being changed for seemingly exactly this reason.
Yep, *that* was from the Czechoslovakia deal.
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I remember part of the song being changed for seemingly exactly this reason.
Yep, *that* was from the Czechoslovakia deal.
The new lyric was “to Czech and Slovakia and back” changed from “to Czechoslovakia and back”
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On I'm Telling, they had a disclaimer that said that the siblings were allowed to ask for another question if they felt the topic was too embarrassing to be told on tv.
I can't remember if they had a disclaimer about it, but wasn't it known on Studs that every answer was provided by the writers, and not directly from the person that the question was asked to.
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On I'm Telling, they had a disclaimer that said that the siblings were allowed to ask for another question if they felt the topic was too embarrassing to be told on tv.
Was this in the credits? I looked for it in about three different episodes and didn't see it mentioned once.
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I thought I saw it on at least ONE episode... but I know I read someplace that the kids were allowed to ask for another question if they didn't feel comfortable answering the question asked. They probably only put the disclaimer on the episode where it happened... it might've been one of the celebrity episodes.
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Early episodes of WitWiCS had a disclaimer to the effect of "information was accurate as of tape date".
Many/most BBC quiz shows use "All information correct at time of recording":
(https://i.imgur.com/O125sui.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1cQcINL.png)
I think they do that on some ITV shows as well.
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I can't remember if they had a disclaimer about it, but wasn't it known on Studs that every answer was provided by the writers, and not directly from the person that the question was asked to.
I do have one episode where this was pretty much spelled out...when Mark asked the contestant to explain her answer further, she responded "I don't write this stuff!"
Here's the disclaimer.
(https://i.gyazo.com/ffd11607137107bba845af1c634dc87d.png)
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Regarding "correct at time of taping", I remember seeing it at least once on Jeopardy, and maybe twice. The one that I recall was something close to, "1 of 2 members of President Reagan's original Cabinet who are still in the same post." One of the two either was no longer in the Cabinet or had been moved to different post.
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I was reminded of this one from Monopoly:
Contestants are advised that the first roll of the dice in the second round must advance the players to a property space. In this program, the first roll did not count and the program was edited to eliminate it.
-Jason
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One other disclaimer from Joker's Wild/Tic Tac Dough I remember seeing: "Some audience and contestant shots were post-recorded."
Whenever gold was offered on TPIR in the '90s, Rod Roddy would say, "The value of the gold was determined at the close of business on the day of taping"; that disclaimer appeared on-screen one time on the Doug Davidson version following the end credits.
And Lynne Thigpen's disclaimer VO on Where In The World is Carmen Sandiego? was: "All contestants have been briefed regarding game rules prior to their appearance. All geographical information was accurate as of the date this program was recorded" (the VTR date was below the copyright notice)
/Supermarket Sweep should've used that "audience shots were post-recorded" disclaimer themselves
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Regarding "correct at time of taping", I remember seeing it at least once on Jeopardy, and maybe twice. The one that I recall was something close to, "1 of 2 members of President Reagan's original Cabinet who are still in the same post." One of the two either was no longer in the Cabinet or had been moved to different post.
I remember watching that episode (http://j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=92). Ironically, the information in the clue was still correct at the time of broadcast, although many viewers (including myself at the time) didn't realize it. Caspar Weinberger had announced his resignation as Secretary of Defense on Nov. 5, 1987. When the episode was broadcast on Nov. 13, he was still technically holding that position because his resignation didn't take effect until his successor was confirmed, which had not yet occurred.
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One other disclaimer from Joker's Wild/Tic Tac Dough I remember seeing: "Some audience and contestant shots were post-recorded."
Whenever gold was offered on TPIR in the '90s, Rod Roddy would say, "The value of the gold was determined at the close of business on the day of taping"; that disclaimer appeared on-screen one time on the Doug Davidson version following the end credits.
And Lynne Thigpen's disclaimer VO on Where In The World is Carmen Sandiego? was: "All contestants have been briefed regarding game rules prior to their appearance. All geographical information was accurate as of the date this program was recorded" (the VTR date was below the copyright notice)
/Supermarket Sweep should've used that "audience shots were post-recorded" disclaimer themselves
TJW and TTD (Play the Percentages did this too... Bullseye didn't show their audience too often) probably had the post audience shot disclaimer just to be sure, and acknowledge that the audience shots are not live on tape. TPIR, at least during the Barker years, NEVER did post-production shots of the audience. The only time something may be done in post is if Bob mentions a previous contestant, they may get a shot of that contestant sitting in the audience later during a commercial break. Most game shows also acknowledged if shows were edited for broadcast.
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Here's a (standard) disclaimer from "Make Me Laugh" (at 27:48 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB9VYFlJAT8
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This is how I got in trouble. In Gil Fates' What's My Line? book, he wrote Celebrity Sweepstakes had the following disclaimer:
Some of the questions were based on general and specific knowledge and information furnished by the celebrities to the production company prior to the show. Celebrities have been furnished with joke answers as well as with some of the questions and answers.
Which, to me, sounded a lot fishier than The Hollywood Squares' claim that "actual questions and answers may be given or discerned by the celebrities" - if you're giving people joke answers and possible bluff answers, they'll probably figure out what the questions are.
In any case, I put it on my (now deceased) web page. And a couple years later, Jim MacKrell told me that information was wrong - the celebs weren't given the answers at all. And on the last episode on YouTube, he's right - no disclaimer other than the standard selected in advance.
Side note: yes, Carol Wayne really was smarter than we thought - Jim said when the cameras weren't running, "she always had her nose in a book."
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Related to that, Buddy Hackett was given bluff answers to questions, but never the question. Buddy would actually do research because he wanted to give the right answers. This got him into a little trouble, because during a series of tapings, he was giving a lot of right answers. There was a question about what country had the most doctors per capita, and he quipped "It's got to be the country with the most Jews... it's got to be Isreal."... he was right! After the show, Buddy was called from his square and questioned by producers, and in that same episode, his square is noticeably vacant during the end credits.
When Cliff Arquette came back after recovering from a stroke, he was missing answers to questions about history, which was unusual, because he was a history expert. To not make him look bad, they decided to give Cliff the right answers to some questions.
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After the show, Buddy was called from his square and questioned by producers, and in that same episode, his square is noticeably vacant during the end credits.
Is this something that's verifiable from another source?
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Is this something that's verifiable from another source?
No idea on the "questioned by producers" part, but the episode he mentioned was aired by GSN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQSbp-S9e4k
The question about doctors is at 5:37, and Buddy is absent from the grid starting at 22:25.
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During the original run of "The Dating Game," when a big name star appeared on the show, announcer Johnny Jacobs would mention, "dates with celebrities are always subject to their availability."
Also, during the 1973-'74 syndicated run of "The New Dating Game," Jacobs would additionally mention, "contestants were single at the time of recording."
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This is how I got in trouble. In Gil Fates' What's My Line? book, he wrote Celebrity Sweepstakes had the following disclaimer:
Some of the questions were based on general and specific knowledge and information furnished by the celebrities to the production company prior to the show. Celebrities have been furnished with joke answers as well as with some of the questions and answers.
Which, to me, sounded a lot fishier than The Hollywood Squares' claim that "actual questions and answers may be given or discerned by the celebrities" - if you're giving people joke answers and possible bluff answers, they'll probably figure out what the questions are.
In any case, I put it on my (now deceased) web page. And a couple years later, Jim MacKrell told me that information was wrong - the celebs weren't given the answers at all. And on the last episode on YouTube, he's right - no disclaimer other than the standard selected in advance.
Not on the last episode, but for certain they used that disclaimer during some portion of the run. So if Jim's remembering correctly and they weren't giving answers to celebs in advance, what could that disclaimer mean?
https://imgur.com/a/UJt9uHK
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After the show, Buddy was called from his square and questioned by producers
[CITATION NEEDED]
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Peter Marshall, Backstage with the Original Hollywood Square, page 73:
Buddy very seldom missed an answer, for two good reasons. First, he's an intelligent, well-read man. Second, once he knew the areas of the questions he was going to be asked, he would actually study up for the show. Compliance and Practices got suspicious about Buddy always being right and came into the room with the producer when he was being briefed to make sure no one was giving him the answers. That night I asked Buddy a medical question and his answer didn't match the one on the card. I said, "Looks like you finally missed one, Buddy." Well, Buddy got upset and during the break went out to his car and got a medical book he'd been reading, and there was the answer he'd given--the correct one.
Not exactly the way whewfan described it, but pretty close.
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And this clip at :38 explains the incomplete dice rolls -- and unanswered questions, in which I do have a clip of, but on RealVideo -- being edited out on High Rollers (Martindale):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRsTSZJcwWE
Incomplete dice rolls on the Alex Trebek version were left in, by the way.
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I've always wondered if the host always does the rehearsals. Monty Hall usally left it up to Stefan Hatos to do it. But Jay Stewart would be there to do the announcing.
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I've always wondered if the host always does the rehearsals. Monty Hall usally left it up to Stefan Hatos to do it. But Jay Stewart would be there to do the announcing.
There is a brief YT clip from a rehearsal of the original Split Second out in Internetland, where then-announcer Jack Clark is playing the role of Tom Kennedy.
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I have a feeling Wink rehearsing High Rollers was more about the rotating mini games. In one of the rehearsals I saw, he was otherwise speeding through it until they came upon the game they were using that taping day, at which point they slowed down, and there was increased off-stage chatter back and forth on how it would be presented, etc.
But when it's the day-in-day-out rehearsals for the tech crew and/or the contestants, we see the stand-ins: just to name a few, we know (from the trading circuit and/or this board) that Johnny Gilbert did Headline Chasers, Rich Jeffries did Password Plus, and the contestant coordinator(s) host the Jeopardy! rehearsals.
-Jason
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I've always wondered if the host always does the rehearsals. Monty Hall usally left it up to Stefan Hatos to do it. But Jay Stewart would be there to do the announcing.
There's a clip on YouTube of Jack Clark hosting a rehearsal version of Split Second, rather than Tom Kennedy.
I gathered from Jim MacKrell that Bill Armstrong hosted some rehearsal versions of Celebrity Sweepstakes.
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I've always wondered if the host always does the rehearsals. Monty Hall usally left it up to Stefan Hatos to do it. But Jay Stewart would be there to do the announcing.
There's a clip on YouTube of Jack Clark hosting a rehearsal version of Split Second, rather than Tom Kennedy.
I gathered from Jim MacKrell that Bill Armstrong hosted some rehearsal versions of Celebrity Sweepstakes.
There's also a clip of Mark Richards hosting a practice round of Jeopardy!. It's from the first or second season, so I don't know who does this now.
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My favorite is not from a game show but from the production logo for WorldVision (which produced a bunch of shows) that said:
"Not affiliated with World Vision International, a religious and charitable organization"
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My favorite is not from a game show but from the production logo for WorldVision (which produced a bunch of shows) that said:
"Not affiliated with World Vision International, a religious and charitable organization"
That disclaimer was seen on Let's Make a Deal. (albeit, this video is a blobby example, thanks to the luma key)
https://youtu.be/_zIcix4wFzM?t=1456
-Jason
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It also appeared on the short-lived Take My Word for It. I can't seem to find any full episodes, but I do remember the Worldvision logo being at the end.
I did, find a clearer version from Pictionary...
https://youtu.be/d-AAVw1FdVA?t=1230
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A cleaner set of WorldVision logos, most of which have the disclaimer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVypzeEpng4
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On LMaD, Monty Hall era
"Some traders accept reasonable duplicates of Zonk prizes."
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From Split Second:
"The car that started today was selected entirely at random just prior to the beginning of today's program."
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Heard on recent Buzzr ep of Classic Concentration:
"Because neither contestant could correctly solve the puzzle in the second round, the rebus was replaced and the program edited."
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It seemed like NBC shows in general of that era had announced disclaimers about edits in the shows that others didn’t seem to. Password Plus and Super Password were known to have Gene Wood announce things about puzzles not being solved or technical problems causing the program to be edited.
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It seemed like NBC shows in general of that era had announced disclaimers about edits in the shows that others didn’t seem to. Password Plus and Super Password were known to have Gene Wood announce things about puzzles not being solved or technical problems causing the program to be edited.
Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember Charlie Tuna doing the same on Scrabble...then there was Jay Stewart on $ale of the Century. Although, I could've sworn he also had a spiel about airfare for whatever trip offered was based on how much it would cost to fly out of Los Angeles.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NYM-gSsEVmE&t=21m19s
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It seemed like NBC shows in general of that era had announced disclaimers about edits in the shows that others didn’t seem to. Password Plus and Super Password were known to have Gene Wood announce things about puzzles not being solved or technical problems causing the program to be edited.
And it wasn't just the serious game shows that had that, either- I've seen a couple of Gong Show episodes where Johnny Jacobs announces over the end credits that acts who had competed and been judged but were not the winners had been deleted from the program.
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On one of the MGHS episodes that aired recently on Buzzr:
"Because an answer was heard from the audience, a question was discarded and the program edited."
And displayed in the closing credits:
"Portions Of The Stars' Deliberations in The Match Game Were Edited"
(That happens all the time now, yes??)
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On one of the MGHS episodes that aired recently on Buzzr:
"Because an answer was heard from the audience, a question was discarded and the program edited."
And displayed in the closing credits:
"Portions Of The Stars' Deliberations in The Match Game Were Edited"
(That happens all the time now, yes??)
The relatively simple forerunner of that, from Match Game '7x, as spoken by Johnny O.:
"This program was edited for broadcast."
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Heard on recent Buzzr ep of Classic Concentration:
"Because neither contestant could correctly solve the puzzle in the second round, the rebus was replaced and the program edited."
How is that possible? Doesn't Alex usually break down the puzzle if neither solves it?
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How is that possible?
They said "This is horrible TV. Let's just toss the puzzle and try again."
The contestants, remembering the release they signed states clearly that the producers have the discretion to do damn near anything they want, said "Okay."
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If it devolves into 'buzz in and win the cookie', it's bad TV. Although we did have 'How Much is Enough'.
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Although we did have 'How Much is Enough'.
About three minutes, IIRC.
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Heard on recent Buzzr ep of Classic Concentration:
"Because neither contestant could correctly solve the puzzle in the second round, the rebus was replaced and the program edited."
How is that possible? Doesn't Alex usually break down the puzzle if neither solves it?
Genuine question: What happens if, while Alex is breaking down the puzzle, a contestant buzzes in and gives an incorrect answer? I assume their opponent would get a guess, but do they have the option to let Alex continue explaining the rebus until he tells them, "Just say The Treasure of the Sierra Madre!"?
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It's a fair question, to which I genuinely would love to know the answer to. I would hope if it ever got that far, they'd do what they apparently did and yanked the puzzle.
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I assume it would be even more likely to happen if the puzzle is fully exposed during the game, but neither contestant can solve it. I don't think Alex would talk out the symbols unless they're in speed-up mode, no?
-Jason
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Genuine question: What happens if, while Alex is breaking down the puzzle, a contestant buzzes in and gives an incorrect answer? I assume their opponent would get a guess, but do they have the option to let Alex continue explaining the rebus until he tells them, "Just say The Treasure of the Sierra Madre!"?
Thing that surprised me on a Buzzr rerun: Alex indicated that not only did he not know the puzzles, he didn't know what the symbols would be. He was doing the break-down for two contestants who stumped and he said something like, "I'm not really sure here. That's some kind of bird, and I hope it's supposed to be a..." And that's when a contestant rang in. The possibility that Alex might give the contestants bad information was on the table, which may be another reason that the puzzle was thrown out.
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Heard on recent Buzzr ep of Classic Concentration:
"Because neither contestant could correctly solve the puzzle in the second round, the rebus was replaced and the program edited."
How is that possible? Doesn't Alex usually break down the puzzle if neither solves it?
Genuine question: What happens if, while Alex is breaking down the puzzle, a contestant buzzes in and gives an incorrect answer? I assume their opponent would get a guess, but do they have the option to let Alex continue explaining the rebus until he tells them, "Just say The Treasure of the Sierra Madre!"?
Could easily be a faulty memory, but in the case of a game moving into "speed round" mode, if one contestant buzzed in and gave an incorrect answer, weren't the remaining puzzle pieces all revealed before the other player attempted a solution?
EDIT: Never mind...I now realize we are talking about what happens after the entire puzzle is revealed and Alex is now breaking it down out of desperation for a contestant to buzz and solve...my bad...
JakeT
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Genuine question: What happens if, while Alex is breaking down the puzzle, a contestant buzzes in and gives an incorrect answer? I assume their opponent would get a guess, but do they have the option to let Alex continue explaining the rebus until he tells them, "Just say The Treasure of the Sierra Madre!"?
In one of the first batch of Buzzr episodes, a contestant buzzed in in the middle of Alex breaking down the puzzle, but missolved "Environmental Protection Agency" (as "Environmental Production Agency"). Alex then asked the other contestant for a guess, and she guessed correctly. It's not clear what would have happened if she had missed as well.
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It's not clear what would have happened if she had missed as well.
I think that is a candidate for a rebus was discarded and the program edited. In that case, I assume that Alex did not resume assisting the solve for the solo player, which opens up the opportunity for a second wrong answer. Also, I think a stalemate could occur if the first contestant buzzes in on a speedup before all doors are open; as far as I know, they would reveal the whole puzzle without any additional assistance to the second contestant.
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I think that is a candidate for a rebus was discarded and the program edited. In that case, I assume that Alex did not resume assisting the solve for the solo player, which opens up the opportunity for a second wrong answer. Also, I think a stalemate could occur if the first contestant buzzes in on a speedup before all doors are open; as far as I know, they would reveal the whole puzzle without any additional assistance to the second contestant.
I was envisioning something along the lines of Now You See It's semifinal round: after the free guess following a wrong solution, Alex would begin (or continue) to break down the puzzle until someone got it (or until Alex had all but finished breaking down the puzzle without anyone solving it).
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On the 12/8/87 show (rerun this past Tuesday), the second game was interrupted, and Bill buzzed in with an incorrect guess ("For enchanted evening") while the numbers were being revealed. His opponent Denise missed when the entire puzzle was revealed ("Some enchanted night"). Then, as Alex began to explain the puzzle (but before identifying the first symbol as a sum), Bill buzzed again with the correct solution ("Some enchanted evening.")
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On one of the MGHS episodes that aired recently on Buzzr:
"Because an answer was heard from the audience, a question was discarded and the program edited."
And displayed in the closing credits:
"Portions Of The Stars' Deliberations in The Match Game Were Edited"
(That happens all the time now, yes??)
A verbal one heard a few times early on, from Jon Bauman (paraphrasing): "Although Gene hosts the Match Game, he has not seen any of these questions..."
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On one of the MGHS episodes that aired recently on Buzzr:
"Because an answer was heard from the audience, a question was discarded and the program edited."
Similar to how NBC shows always give these detailed mentions of the show's edits in the credits, NBC must also have a specific rule about answers heard from the audience. The CBS version of MG always let them go or Gene just chiding them "We appreciate your enthusiasm but the answer you're giving her may be rotten."
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A verbal one heard a few times early on, from Jon Bauman (paraphrasing): "Although Gene hosts the Match Game, he has not seen any of these questions..."
Also paraphrasing, Gene says on at least one of those early shows that the producers have told him not to say anything about Jon saying that disclaimer, and he appeared to be at least mildly annoyed about it, in a Dawson-esque sort of way.
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Mental Samurai has a "Portions of the program not affecting the outcome of the competition have been recreated"
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I didn't see it referenced upthread....watched an old episode of TPiR earlier today. One of the prizes was gold bars...at the end of the script, Johnny made a reference to "Price accurate as of tape date".
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I didn't see it referenced upthread....watched an old episode of TPiR earlier today. One of the prizes was gold bars...at the end of the script, Johnny made a reference to "Price accurate as of tape date".
I figured a few years ago, they'd offer a few Bitcoins as an IUFB, and figured they'd use that disclaimer in that case.
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I didn't see it referenced upthread....watched an old episode of TPiR earlier today. One of the prizes was gold bars...at the end of the script, Johnny made a reference to "Price accurate as of tape date".
ISTR that in the early days of CBS $25K Pyramid when the Mystery 7 prizes often were of varying prices (gold bars, stock) that the tape date was called out on-air instead of a disclaimer.
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A verbal one heard a few times early on, from Jon Bauman (paraphrasing): "Although Gene hosts the Match Game, he has not seen any of these questions..."
Also paraphrasing, Gene says on at least one of those early shows that the producers have told him not to say anything about Jon saying that disclaimer, and he appeared to be at least mildly annoyed about it, in a Dawson-esque sort of way.
I get this - no other program to that point had someone who hosted also playing the game. (And of course, Jon did the reverse, so theoretically he could have gotten the MG questions in advance.)
Example: when I attended American University for a semester, I took advantage of their barely-attended cable television opportunities to write questions for their version of Match Game - eventually, I wrote most of the questions (even though I'm hardly a comedy writer). For one taping session, the "celebrities" didn't show up, so I was pressed into service as a celeb (I also had two radio shows running on their barely-there radio station), which meant I was writing answers to the questions I had written myself (and thus knew what the "definitive answers" would be). I didn't get picked for the Super Match, however - the winning contestant thought my answers during the main game were too weird.
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I didn't see it referenced upthread....watched an old episode of TPiR earlier today. One of the prizes was gold bars...at the end of the script, Johnny made a reference to "Price accurate as of tape date".
Sometimes, it would be something like, "Price based on the close of trading on the day of taping," and other times it would be based on the price at the opening of trading on that day.
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I was just watching Match Game 77 and noticed the disclaimer, "Contestants are selected in advance and are advised of the rules of the game."
Why would CBS Standards and Practices want that disclaimer? What would people think if that disclaimer didn't appear? Would anyone say, "Oh, I thought that the contestants aren't selected until after the show is taped, and the rules are kept secret from them"?
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I was just watching Match Game 77 and noticed the disclaimer, "Contestants are selected in advance and are advised of the rules of the game."
Why would CBS Standards and Practices want that disclaimer? What would people think if that disclaimer didn't appear? Would anyone say, "Oh, I thought that the contestants aren't selected until after the show is taped, and the rules are kept secret from them"?
Generally it's so people don't think they can be picked as a contestant from the studio audience, or that any over-simplified rules explanation given by the host is all the contestants receive. People really do have to have that kind of thing spelled out for them.
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I was just watching Match Game 77 and noticed the disclaimer, "Contestants are selected in advance and are advised of the rules of the game."
Why would CBS Standards and Practices want that disclaimer? What would people think if that disclaimer didn't appear? Would anyone say, "Oh, I thought that the contestants aren't selected until after the show is taped, and the rules are kept secret from them"?
Generally it's so people don't think they can be picked as a contestant from the studio audience, or that any over-simplified rules explanation given by the host is all the contestants receive. People really do have to have that kind of thing spelled out for them.
Though to be fair, didn't Johnny Olson flat-out say that they picked contestants for Match Game from the audience, when he'd rattle off the ticket plug?
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I was just watching Match Game 77 and noticed the disclaimer, "Contestants are selected in advance and are advised of the rules of the game."
Why would CBS Standards and Practices want that disclaimer? What would people think if that disclaimer didn't appear? Would anyone say, "Oh, I thought that the contestants aren't selected until after the show is taped, and the rules are kept secret from them"?
Generally it's so people don't think they can be picked as a contestant from the studio audience, or that any over-simplified rules explanation given by the host is all the contestants receive. People really do have to have that kind of thing spelled out for them.
Thanks for the explanation. I'm not sure how effective the disclaimer was in communicating those messages, though, if a viewer like me didn't know what it meant.
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Though to be fair, didn't Johnny Olson flat-out say that they picked contestants for Match Game from the audience, when he'd rattle off the ticket plug?
I've heard that hundreds of times, and the way I always mentally processed it was that they may select you from the audience and screen you for the contestant pool for a future episode. But now I'm thinking I was always wrong.......?
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Judging how often Twitter fires up with the "That's not fair! Bring her back! Give her the money!" with Wheel of Fortune contestants lately, those viewers clearly don't get the fact that contestants are briefed on the rules.
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I would love to see some of these complainers actually get picked to be on a show just so they could realize how much stuff you have to do before you even get to be on.
I never had to fill out so much stuff before. I'd seen medical forms.that were more concise. 😉
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I've heard that hundreds of times, and the way I always mentally processed it was that they may select you from the audience and screen you for the contestant pool for a future episode. But now I'm thinking I was always wrong.......?
I think it went something like this - "If you'd like to see Match Game in person, we'd love to meet you - write to Tickets, Match Game, 7800 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles CA, 90036". I don't remember any contestant plug, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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At least earlier on, it went: "Many of our contestants are chosen from the studio audience, so if you'd like to be one, write us. Enclose a self-addressed stamped envelope and mail to: Tickets, Match Game '73, CBS Television City..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7mJ0aynpxk
-Jason
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I was just watching Match Game 77 and noticed the disclaimer, "Contestants are selected in advance and are advised of the rules of the game."
Why would CBS Standards and Practices want that disclaimer?
Earlier in the decade (and presumably from even earlier than that), that announcement was read aloud (like Johnny Jacobs on Joker's Wild/Hollywood's Talking, Bob Clayton on $10K Pyramid, can't recall offhand if any of the G-T shows had Johnny O do that) on CBS shows.
Building off that item, CBS had the above announcement, NBC I and others have mentioned earlier in the thread that anything edited out of the program had a summary read, I wonder if ABC had any network-specific disclaimers, or really anything network-specific period other than the hard $20,000 winnings limit in the 70s.
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At least earlier on, it went: "Many of our contestants are chosen from the studio audience, so if you'd like to be one, write us. Enclose a self-addressed stamped envelope and mail to: Tickets, Match Game '73, CBS Television City..."
And one variation "for future shows" which means I wasn't misremembering that audience members don't become contestants on the same taping day.
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ISTR a story on Curt’s old Game Shows ‘75 page in which a family attended a taping of Spin-Off. They filed out contestant cards and were selected, but they had other plans on the next taping day.
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Most of these disclaimers are unnecessary and have no legal basis. The only things they're required by law to disclose are the prize suppliers (section 317) and maybe the emcee's wardrobe. Everything else is superfluous, including edit and contestant-selection disclaimers.
If Monty Hall gets a discount on his Botany 500 suits and Botany 500 gets an on-air credit, that has to be disclosed to the audience. If they don't get an on-air credit then they have no incentive to give Monty a discount on his suits.
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On a 60s episode of The Dating Game, they did an odd thing and put up the disclaimer during the show, supering it while Jim showed the bachelorette to her seat. "Contestants receive assistance from the producer in the selection and preparation of questions."
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I guess they didn't want people thinking the bachelor/bachelorette wrote these questions themselves. The show obviously has certain directions they want the show to go. Asking questions such as "Where would we go on the date?" or "Do you kiss on the first date?" might have some entertaining answers, but the writers might want to spice it up with something like "You are the Wizard from the Wizard of Oz, and I come to ask you for something you have. What would you give me?"
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I don't know if this counts
Nigeria Who Wants to be a Millionaire has a disclaimer that the lighting from the set might cause seizures. I don't think I ever seen a disclaimer like this before on any version of Millionaire. Their set is based off the uk set.
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I don't know if this counts
Nigeria Who Wants to be a Millionaire has a disclaimer that the lighting from the set might cause seizures. I don't think I ever seen a disclaimer like this before on any version of Millionaire. Their set is based off the uk set.
I'd say it does, though that's the first time I've ever seen a disclaimer like that on a game show.
I did see an epilepsy warning on Corden once, and it was before a musical performance that had a lot of very quick cuts (think money card reveal on Sale) at the end.
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(think money card reveal on Sale)
That was always fun to watch. Back then, did it all have to be done by hand? (Director to TD: "TakeCamera1! TakeCamera2! TakeCamera1! TakeCamera2!") Or could the mixing consoles of the time do it sort-of automatically?
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(think money card reveal on Sale)
That was always fun to watch. Back then, did it all have to be done by hand? (Director to TD: "TakeCamera1! TakeCamera2! TakeCamera1! TakeCamera2!") Or could the mixing consoles of the time do it sort-of automatically?
I always imagined the TD mashing the buttons on his panel Track and Field-style. :)
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I’ve mentioned before that I work on a college campus, servicing and “directing” online classes. Before everything went to Zoom, we had a small switcher (https://www.instagram.com/p/B1o9lnaBVmO/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) for the cameras (one for the teacher, one for the students).
Long story short, you line up your two camera shots and just press the switch button rapidly. When I produced news, our directors could do the same. That’s a much simpler version, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s all they did on $ale.
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Building off that item, CBS had the above announcement, NBC I and others have mentioned earlier in the thread that anything edited out of the program had a summary read, I wonder if ABC had any network-specific disclaimers, or really anything network-specific period other than the hard $20,000 winnings limit in the 70s.
The only thing I can think of that I only ever heard on ABC was, when Let's Make a Deal had a repeat, at the end of the broadcast, you heard Jay Stewart say something like, "The preceding was a repeat of an earlier telecast." I say that it was an ABC thing because the repeats aired for the last week of The Moneymaze had the same disclaimer.
And when, exactly, was ABC's $20,000 hard limit? I thought Family Feud had a soft $25,000 limit from its debut.
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I thought Family Feud had a soft $25,000 limit from its debut.
As far as I'm aware, it did... though I know the "hard $20,000" was a thing at least in 1975, since in the Password All-Stars episode included on the Betty White's Pet Set DVD compilation, a player ends up retiring from reaching it, and their final Big Money Lightning Round had its final payout adjusted downward (by I-forget-how-much) so that their final winnings would be exactly $20,000. And I've always heard that limit is why Bob Stewart only went up to $20,000 on daytime Pyramid... speculation, but maybe Goodson-Todman had to get special dispensation from the network to have the "soft $25,000" limit for Feud?
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And when, exactly, was ABC's $20,000 hard limit? I thought Family Feud had a soft $25,000 limit from its debut.
When Break the Bank 76 was on, ABC had a soft limit of $20,000 but a hard limit of $25,000. Tom explained it as such on the 4/19/76 episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_enqDnpzQ&t=2m56s
Now I want to ask when did $25,000 become the soft limit, because didn't the first family to retire on ABC Family Feud won around $29,000?
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And when, exactly, was ABC's $20,000 hard limit? I thought Family Feud had a soft $25,000 limit from its debut.
When Break the Bank 76 was on, ABC had a soft limit of $20,000 but a hard limit of $25,000. Tom explained it as such on the 4/19/76 episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_enqDnpzQ&t=2m56s
Now I want to ask when did $25,000 become the soft limit, because didn't the first family to retire on ABC Family Feud won around $29,000?
My high school civics teacher was on daytime Feud in '79, and from what he described, each family member was a unique contestant (with a $25k cap). The checks were paid as equal shares to each contestant. His appearance was interesting - their first appearance was the last 3 shows of the taping block and they had to come back weeks later to continue. In their 4th game, an incorrect answer was accepted in the last round and the error was not caught until after the show aired. They were called back in '80 and they got to restart their winnings counter with an explanation of what happened. They won another 4 games, but he says they threw the 5th game because it would have been in an another taping block - and they were being relocated. Unfortunately their episodes have not re-aired - I only have the chopped up copies they had a friend record OTA.
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When Break the Bank 76 was on, ABC had a soft limit of $20,000 but a hard limit of $25,000. Tom explained it as such on the 4/19/76 episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_enqDnpzQ&t=2m56s
Now I want to ask when did $25,000 become the soft limit, because didn't the first family to retire on ABC Family Feud won around $29,000?
Interesting that in that BTB episode, a question was thrown out because both celebs gave a wrong answer. Tom explained that one of the answers had to be correct. A new question was asked. The correct answer to the thrown out question was revealed after the commercial break.
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When Break the Bank 76 was on, ABC had a soft limit of $20,000 but a hard limit of $25,000. Tom explained it as such on the 4/19/76 episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_enqDnpzQ&t=2m56s
Now I want to ask when did $25,000 become the soft limit, because didn't the first family to retire on ABC Family Feud won around $29,000?
I know he had to share that for disclosure reasons, but it's like he jinxed a no-hitter by mentioning it.
(Also Alex Karras got the eternal 500Hz tone for his Polish joke. Tom was not amused.)
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Long story short, you line up your two camera shots and just press the switch button rapidly. When I produced news, our directors could do the same. That’s a much simpler version, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s all they did on $ale.
This. You've already got the card in program and the player in cue for the reaction. Hit Take a bunch of times; the flip/flop circuit does all of the work. Most basic switcher trick there is. Just have to remember to do it an even number of times so you end up back on the money card for the slightly longer hold before you go back to the player.
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Long story short, you line up your two camera shots and just press the switch button rapidly. When I produced news, our directors could do the same. That’s a much simpler version, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s all they did on $ale.
This. You've already got the card in program and the player in cue for the reaction. Hit Take a bunch of times; the flip/flop circuit does all of the work. Most basic switcher trick there is. Just have to remember to do it an even number of times so you end up back on the money card for the slightly longer hold before you go back to the player.
That, or hot-punch both source buttons back and forth on the main program bus. A good TD could certainly pull that off without accidentally hitting another camera's source button. I've actually tried that at the local community media studio (*not* on the air, of course!!!! :P)
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That, or hot-punch both source buttons back and forth on the main program bus. A good TD could certainly pull that off without accidentally hitting another camera's source button. I've actually tried that at the local community media studio (*not* on the air, of course!!!! :P)
If I'm your director, I'm gonna point out that my way is less error prone, but also concede that it's your conn and you do what you're more comfortable doing, with the understanding that if you hot-punch it and screw it up I'm gonna chew you a new asshole. :)
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Forgot about this on Rodeo Drive:
"The views and opinions of contestants on Rodeo Drive are solely their opinions and views and not necessarily statements of fact nor they do necessarily reflect those of the program, its producers, the broadcasting company, its stations or their sponsors." (They were perhaps the only game show with that kind of disclaimer)
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Given the show revolved celebrity gossip, it sounds like Jay Wolpert and/or Lifetime felt the need to cover their butts in case a celebrity felt like suing.
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Bumping the old thread after rewatching the rediscovered Temptation AU episodes.
Whenever Temptation described a car, they'd always state the value and add "plus on-road costs." I don't think I've ever heard that sort-of disclaimer about a car on another show.
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Whenever Temptation described a car, they'd always state the value and add "plus on-road costs." I don't think I've ever heard that sort-of disclaimer about a car on another show.
I've never, either, but I suspect it's the Aussie way of saying "plus tax and license," which Jay used to do on LMaD.
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I've never, either, but I suspect it's the Aussie way of saying "plus tax and license," which Jay used to do on LMaD.
That makes more sense than what I was thinking: It was the Aussie way of saying "we ain't payin' for your gas petrol." :)
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At least earlier on, it went: "Many of our contestants are chosen from the studio audience, so if you'd like to be one, write us. Enclose a self-addressed stamped envelope and mail to: Tickets, Match Game '73, CBS Television City..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7mJ0aynpxk
-Jason
The 1986 Hollywood Squares also got their contestants from the studio audience.
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Game show-adjacent, on the "Angie" episode where the two families appear on Feud (real on-air personalities but fake set), an unusual disclaimer appears and read aloud about how the gameplay was scripted. Have never seen other sitcoms with this disclaimer before when their characters appear on real game shows, maybe a Miller-Boyett thing just trying to cover their ass if someone brings a federal quiz-show suit against them?
https://youtu.be/LulkCNIlybQ?t=1168 (https://youtu.be/LulkCNIlybQ?t=1168) (19:29)
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Interesting that an ABC sitcom from 1980 couldn't use the actual Family Feud set.
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I'm thinking I wasn't the only one that started the video from the beginning just to hear the opening theme (one of my all time favorites), only to find it was mainly skipped.
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Interesting that an ABC sitcom from 1980 couldn't use the actual Family Feud set.
Or the theme song, which was recreated here.
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Interesting that an ABC sitcom from 1980 couldn't use the actual Family Feud set.
I searched prior to my post about this and it was speculated that since Angie was filmed, the production team didn't want to find a way to get film cameras into ABC Television Center (videotape cameras).
Now Fridays on the other hand, which had a parody I posted about previously, (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31545.0.html) did perform at ABC TV Center, but they only reused the podiums for the faceoff and contestants and had the backgrounds built anew. Other sitcoms, even if they aired on another network (e.g. NBC Mama's Family going onto the actual Feud set), had no issues going onto the actual set.
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Interesting that an ABC sitcom from 1980 couldn't use the actual Family Feud set.
I searched prior to my post about this and it was speculated that since Angie was filmed, the production team didn't want to find a way to get film cameras into ABC Television Center (videotape cameras).
Now Fridays on the other hand, which had a parody I posted about previously, (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31545.0.html) did perform at ABC TV Center, but they only reused the podiums for the faceoff and contestants and had the backgrounds built anew. Other sitcoms, even if they aired on another network (e.g. NBC Mama's Family going onto the actual Feud set), had no issues going onto the actual set.
In the bigger markets, didn't nighttime "Family Feud' air mostly on NBC affiliates? I remember the episode, and the Harpers were on the nighttime version. I think NBC wouldn't have let them compete on the daytime version.
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Game show-adjacent, on the "Angie" episode where the two families appear on Feud (real on-air personalities but fake set), an unusual disclaimer appears and read aloud about how the gameplay was scripted. Have never seen other sitcoms with this disclaimer before when their characters appear on real game shows, maybe a Miller-Boyett thing just trying to cover their ass if someone brings a federal quiz-show suit against them?
https://youtu.be/LulkCNIlybQ?t=1168 (https://youtu.be/LulkCNIlybQ?t=1168) (19:29)
I remember this, and I can almost guarantee that it was a one-off thing (by ABC), because there was an All-Star Family Feud Special the next night, and they didn't want anybody to get the two confused.
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Interesting that an ABC sitcom from 1980 couldn't use the actual Family Feud set.
In 1980 studio 54 was probably busy all the time with Bandstand, Welk and the real FF.
Was Welk at CBS in 1980?
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Was Welk at CBS in 1980?
televisioncityla.com/shows (https://televisioncityla.com/shows#) says no.
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Ron Anderson was one of our stand-ins so you never saw him on the air. One day over lunch he revealed that he was a singer on the Welk show. Who knew? He's in a couple of videos on YouTube.
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it was speculated that since Angie was filmed, the production team didn't want to find a way to get film cameras into ABC Television Center (videotape cameras).
Now Fridays on the other hand, which had a parody I posted about previously, (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31545.0.html) did perform at ABC TV Center, but they only reused the podiums for the faceoff and contestants and had the backgrounds built anew. Other sitcoms, even if they aired on another network (e.g. NBC Mama's Family going onto the actual Feud set), had no issues going onto the actual set.
When "Cheers"---a filmed program---did the "Jeopardy!" scenes for "What is....Cliff Clavin?", they went to J!'s actual studio on the KTLA/Hollywood Center lot.
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Now Fridays on the other hand, which had a parody I posted about previously, (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,31545.0.html) did perform at ABC TV Center, but they only reused the podiums for the faceoff and contestants and had the backgrounds built anew. Other sitcoms, even if they aired on another network (e.g. NBC Mama's Family going onto the actual Feud set), had no issues going onto the actual set.
I always wondered what Richard thought of that parody, or if he mentioned it on the air. He said in an interview that he liked SNL's parody of the show, except that Bill Murray was too tall to play him convincingly.
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Pardon the name dropping, but it was nice seeing my friend Gene Wood on camera.
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I'm thinking I wasn't the only one that started the video from the beginning just to hear the opening theme (one of my all time favorites), only to find it was mainly skipped.
Nope.
The classic Odd Couple episode when the fellas played Password was on a lousy fake set, but the plot had Allen and Betty in New York. That could also be why Angie didn't use the real one; it was a road episode in Philly.
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From Win Ben Stein's Money when Ben becomes a contestant in round 2
"From this point forward, Ben has no advanced knowledge of any of the questions to be asked."
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From Win Ben Stein's Money when Ben becomes a contestant in round 2
"From this point forward, Ben has no advanced knowledge of any of the questions to be asked."
The credits also mention that it’s the production company’s money, and not Ben’s.
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^ The full disclaimer:
"'Ben Stein's Money' is the prize budget furnished by the producer. Ben Stein keeps the money in the prize budget not won by the contestants at the end of each production period. If during the production period the winnings exceed the prize budget, producer pays the overage."
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So Ben Stein was competing for the money just the same as the contestants.
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In a sense, yes. Ben didn't front the prize budget himself, but anything that was left over during a production cycle went to him.
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Whenever Temptation described a car, they'd always state the value and add "plus on-road costs." I don't think I've ever heard that sort-of disclaimer about a car on another show.
I've never, either, but I suspect it's the Aussie way of saying "plus tax and license," which Jay used to do on LMaD.
That is exactly right. “On road costs” are basically your MOT tax in Australia, and other things you have to pay in order to own a car