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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: whampyl03 on January 28, 2004, 09:45:25 PM
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Didn't see this posted anywhere here yet, so I thought I'd go for it.
Love Connection will be making a whopping 21 appearances a week now...
Win, Lose or Draw will be making an exit...
Game related programming will be making an entrance...
Here's a link...
http://adlink.com/resource_center/programm...04&endtime=1770 (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=14909&begweek=03/15/2004&endtime=1770\").
THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED DUE TO GRAMMATICAL ERRORS.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jan 28 2004, 09:45 PM\'] Didn't see this posted anywhere here yet, so I thought I'd go for it.
Love Connection will be will be making a whopping 21 appearances a week now...
Win, Lose or Draw will be making an exit...
Game related programming will be making an entrance...
Here's a link...
http://adlink.com/resource_center/programm...04&endtime=1770 (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=14909&begweek=03/15/2004&endtime=1770\"). [/quote]
They did replace WLOD with more LC and Newlyweds, how sweet :)
Not as painful as some people thought, however.
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My favorite lineup in a while. I am happy to see RR back in primetime with most likely Season 2 episodes. I know i am the major minority on this one, but i like FoF and happy to see that. The Daytime is good for me, and i love The Mole. I missed season 1 and i have no clue who the mole is so i will watch that. Overall, for me, i like the lineup.
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I saw the schedule, and was surprised to learn that Cram was on it. I thought it was gonna get canned.
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4 HOURS OF INFOMERCIALS?
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Jan 28 2004, 11:36 PM\'] 4 HOURS OF INFOMERCIALS? [/quote]
That has been standard for the past few months: 5am EST - 9am EST
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I noticed that there is an hour-long Family Feud at 10 PM E/P on Saturday; it either must be an ABC All-Star special or a Combs FF Challenge episode.
Still, not as bad of a schedule as we all feared (but still no B&E shows)...
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[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' date=\'Jan 29 2004, 12:08 AM\'] I noticed that there is an hour-long Family Feud at 10 PM E/P on Saturday; it either must be an ABC All-Star special or a Combs FF Challenge episode.
Still, not as bad of a schedule as we all feared (but still no B&E shows)... [/quote]
What no one else pointed out was, programming now starts at 6:00 AM EST, as opposed to 9:00 EST. A mistake, IMO...unless they are obtaining a "west coast" feed....wasn't the point of this "new network" to attract more viewers, not less?
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 29 2004, 02:52 AM\'] What no one else pointed out was, programming now starts at 6:00 AM EST, as opposed to 9:00 EST. A mistake, IMO...unless they are obtaining a "west coast" feed....wasn't the point of this "new network" to attract more viewers, not less? [/quote]
If you're looking at the adlink link that was provided at the top, that's on west coast time. Unfortunately, GSN is still starting up at 9am (EST), same time as always.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jan 28 2004, 09:45 PM\'] Love Connection will be making a whopping 21 appearances a week now...
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It currently airs 24 times per week, so this is actually an improvement in that regard.
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I noticed that there is an hour-long Family Feud at 10 PM E/P on Saturday; it either must be an ABC All-Star special or a Combs FF Challenge episode.
Let's hope so, the schedule does need something fresh.
Still, not as bad of a schedule as we all feared (but still no B&E shows)...
Agreed. I honestly don't think we'll ever see those B&E shows. (call me a pesimist...)
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Oh, hi there, I'm new to the Invision Boards, Be glad we're not fighting over anything here BTW alright and zachoran can help me remember all the memories.
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Jan 29 2004, 05:17 PM\'] Oh, hi there, I'm new to the Invision Boards, Be glad we're not fighting over anything here BTW alright and zachoran can help me remember all the memories. [/quote]
I'll interpret that as you like Barry and Enright. I do too.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 29 2004, 07:52 PM\'] [quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Jan 29 2004, 05:17 PM\'] Oh, hi there, I'm new to the Invision Boards, Be glad we're not fighting over anything here BTW alright and zachoran can help me remember all the memories. [/quote]
I'll interpret that as you like Barry and Enright. I do too.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
Brandon, he might like Barry and Enright like a lot of us, but I don't think you'd like to be force-fed the history of the background color changes on TJW [those who read the GSN boards will understand]
Back to the topic: TTD and Bullseye I can understand them having qualms about putting on. But TJW is another story; it's made the Feast twice, once in #2 and again even though a lot of its votes went to Bullseye instead.
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According to the Professor, Friday's hour Feud will be the Dawson ABC Celebrity specials.
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Jan 29 2004, 05:17 PM\'] Oh, hi there, I'm new to the Invision Boards, Be glad we're not fighting over anything here BTW alright and zachoran can help me remember all the memories. [/quote]
If you are going to be a member here, may I kindly suggest that you learn proper grammar and spelling? Guide_Angel isn't going to bail you out.
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Well, this isn't the end of the world! In fact, this ain't that bad at all! We get PassWord back!
Is it possible some of the NG won't be the ANNG?
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 30 2004, 09:56 PM\'] Well, this isn't the end of the world! In fact, this ain't that bad at all! We get PassWord back!
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We've had it for the past few weeks. But, yes, it is good news that it's staying. For that matter, it's a breath of fresh air that Black & White Overnight will remain with us....if only for an hour, but it's an hour more than I thought we'd have.
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i saw that they're putting WoF back on everyday.....are they getting a new season as well?
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[quote name=\'nbuckler14\' date=\'Jan 30 2004, 10:17 PM\'] i saw that they're putting WoF back on everyday.....are they getting a new season as well? [/quote]
WOF's been back on the daily schedule since October 12th. No word on whether episodes besides the 1988-89 season will be seen.
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I don't know about you, but I'd rather see episodes of Wheel of Fortune with Chuck Woolery.
Either that, or episodes from the 91-92 season and later.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 30 2004, 10:23 PM\'] [quote name=\'nbuckler14\' date=\'Jan 30 2004, 10:17 PM\'] i saw that they're putting WoF back on everyday.....are they getting a new season as well? [/quote]
WOF's been back on the daily schedule since October 12th. No word on whether episodes besides the 1988-89 season will be seen. [/quote]
I hope that they will have later episodes, because they air episodes of the 97-98 season of Jeopardy!
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What happendto Press Your Luck? Sigh,I reallyliked the old schedule.
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[quote name=\'Shredder\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 06:41 PM\'] What happendto Press Your Luck? Sigh,I reallyliked the old schedule. [/quote]
They've aired the 1984 shows (Larsen included), and so far are airing the shows from 1985.
Now, the only thing we hope to see are the 1983 and 1986 shows.
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[quote name=\'Shredder\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 07:41 PM\'] What happendto Press Your Luck? Sigh,I reallyliked the old schedule. [/quote]
PYL will still be on weekends.
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Which version of cards sharks are they going to show? Perry or Eubanks.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 07:54 PM\'] [quote name=\'Shredder\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 06:41 PM\'] What happendto Press Your Luck? Sigh,I reallyliked the old schedule. [/quote]
They've aired the 1984 shows (Larsen included), and so far are airing the shows from 1985.
Now, the only thing we hope to see are the 1983 and 1986 shows.
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No, *you* and *you* alone hope to see those shows. One of the biggest annoyances I find on messages boards is when one person decides to become the group spokesperson. Personally, I could care less of Press Your Luck was on the schedule; in fact; I'd rather both PYL and Whammy were removed--mainly to see the good majority of you fume.
Which version of cards sharks are they going to show? Perry or Eubanks.
No one knows. More than likely Eubanks, but why not tune in and find out?
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[quote name=\'litpdwi16\' date=\'Feb 1 2004, 06:26 PM\'] I don't know about you, but I'd rather see episodes of Wheel of Fortune with Chuck Woolery.
Either that, or episodes from the 91-92 season and later. [/quote]
I read somewhere that NBC destroyed all of the Woolery eps.
Personally I'd like to see the 93/94 season where they used that Big Golden Light puzzleboard, if no one knows what I'm talking about go here and there's a picture of it with Vanna in front of it http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowM...et/showid-4413/ (http://\"http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-4413/\") I really wanna see that season again, after all I was only 5/6 when that season aired.
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Just a hunch: I think we'll see the '87-'88 season next, based on the way things have been going (first it was '89-'90, now '88-'89) and the fact that GSN never aired that season.
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[quote name=\'1978-Jeopardy\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 06:53 AM\'] Just a hunch: I think we'll see the '87-'88 season next, based on the way things have been going (first it was '89-'90, now '88-'89) and the fact that GSN never aired that season. [/quote]
They did show a month of the 1987-88 season back in 1996. It was the first month of the syndie WOF's conversion from shopping in the maingame to cash in October 1987. It was only meant to be for a month, but the powers that be decided to keep the all-cash format.
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Just a hunch: I think we'll see the '87-'88 season next, based on the way things have been going (first it was '89-'90, now '88-'89) and the fact that GSN never aired that season.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the same season (88-89) for quite a while. It's been reported there's some sort of problem with them getting other seasons - whether it's GSN that doesn't want to pay the money for licensing them, or that Sony doesn't want to let GSN air them.
Things were so much simpler before Liberty Media bought 50% of GSN - back then they could air just about anything they wanted - whenever they wanted.
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[quote name=\'nbuckler14\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 01:30 AM\'] [quote name=\'litpdwi16\' date=\'Feb 1 2004, 06:26 PM\'] I don't know about you, but I'd rather see episodes of Wheel of Fortune with Chuck Woolery.
Either that, or episodes from the 91-92 season and later. [/quote]
I read somewhere that NBC destroyed all of the Woolery eps.
Personally I'd like to see the 93/94 season where they used that Big Golden Light puzzleboard, if no one knows what I'm talking about go here and there's a picture of it with Vanna in front of it http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowM...et/showid-4413/ (http://\"http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-4413/\") I really wanna see that season again, after all I was only 5/6 when that season aired. [/quote]
You're off by a year...that board was used during the 94-95 season, when they switched to the Big Band theme. Why they didn't keep that board (at least up until the all electronic one) is beyond me.
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Speaking of the Big Band theme, used from 94-97, that theme was VERY ANNOYING!
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Did GSN lose the rights to the Barry Enright shows like TTD and TJW?
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[quote name=\'bradhig\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 02:55 PM\'] Did GSN lose the rights to the Barry Enright shows like TTD and TJW? [/quote]
No--they recently aired some B&E shows in November; GSN has simply chosen not to place them on the schedule.
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Just a hunch: I think we'll see the '87-'88 season next, based on the way things have been going (first it was '89-'90, now '88-'89) and the fact that GSN never aired that season.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the same season (88-89) for quite a while. It's been reported there's some sort of problem with them getting other seasons - whether it's GSN that doesn't want to pay the money for licensing them, or that Sony doesn't want to let GSN air them.
Things were so much simpler before Liberty Media bought 50% of GSN - back then they could air just about anything they wanted - whenever they wanted.
What, exactly, can't they air now that they could air before?
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What, exactly, can't they air now that they could air before?
Since Liberty bought half of GSN, they have to lease shows from Sony just like any other show (which wasn't necessarily the case before that).
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 12:42 PM\'] You're off by a year...that board was used during the 94-95 season, when they switched to the Big Band theme. Why they didn't keep that board (at least up until the all electronic one) is beyond me. [/quote]
well did they switch to the Big Band theme during the middle of the season?
cause I remember they used Changing Keys and all the lights on the board "moved" (if you will) and later on when they switched to the Big Band theme, only the little lights moved. I don't know why I remember things like this but I do.
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well did they switch to the Big Band theme during the middle of the season?
cause I remember they used Changing Keys and all the lights on the board "moved" (if you will) and later on when they switched to the Big Band theme, only the little lights moved. I don't know why I remember things like this but I do.
AFAIK, the Big Band theme was used from the start of the 94-95 season, up until the 1997 season. However, I have a Wheel CD-ROM game from c. 1994, and that actually used the 1992 theme, but had the 1994-95 puzzleboard. Despite that, I still don't think they ever used Changing Keys 92 with the 94 board.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 07:53 PM\'] AFAIK, the Big Band theme was used from the start of the 94-95 season, up until the 1997 season. However, I have a Wheel CD-ROM game from c. 1994, and that actually used the 1992 theme, but had the 1994-95 puzzleboard. Despite that, I still don't think they ever used Changing Keys 92 with the 94 board. [/quote]
Ok I've been doing some serious thinking and I now remember something that should settle this.......they used it for 2 seasons, 93/94, and 94/95......cause I remember....my neice was born in 1993 and when my mom and I went to see my sister in the hospital, Wheel happened to be on and it happened to be the first show of the season in sept. I remember changing keys theme and when it was time for the first catagory, Pat said, "Ok our first catagory is.......oooooh look at those lights! Ah who cares about the darn lights!" he was talking about the big lights that blinked or moved or chased or whatever you're supposed to call it. A year later they used the same board except the the big lights didn't even blink, but only the small lights, which looked like jewels, chased.......
BTW, I have a CD-ROM from c. 1993. with the same thing.
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I wouldn't be suprised if the 10pm Feud on Saturday is the first season of Karn. The way GSN likes the get things fresh off the wire(like WL for example, not more than a few months off the air in originals), it wouldn't surprise me.
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Anything's possible, but I haven't heard that GSN acquired the license for any of the Karn shows. Supposedly, the Saturday night hour will be those old Dawson All-Star specials.
Speaking of the Karn shows, did anyone notice the 3.3 rating for the latest week? Isn't this a new high for the Karn Feud?
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 06:40 AM\']Supposedly, the Saturday night hour will be those old Dawson All-Star specials.[/quote]
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but...
Since the debut of the Games Across America block, GSN's Saturday grid from 9 PM to 3 AM ET / 6 PM to 12 M PT hasn't accurately reflected the start times of the actual game shows. In fact, the TV Guide Interactive on my system currently shows Greed: The Series as a 90 - minute program on Saturdays to make up for the half hour of GAA spots; since FF is taking over Greed's spot in the GAA rotation, I wouldn't be surprised if FF's listed as an hour - long show for that reason.
Sad to say, there will probably be only one 30 - minute generic FF episode* shown per Saturday night, since GSN will probably continue airing their GAA spots, however inane one may think they are.
(*Hey, could be worse, couldn't it?)
Esoteric Eric; hey, how 'bout if we organize a GSN Dream Schedule competition event? Think we could get GAA to cover it?
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[quote name=\'passwordplus\' date=\'Feb 15 2004, 08:38 PM\']I wouldn't be suprised if the 10pm Feud on Saturday is the first season of Karn. The way GSN likes the get things fresh off the wire(like WL for example, not more than a few months off the air in originals), it wouldn't surprise me.[/quote]
Not while Pax owns the repeat rights to the current version of "Feud." It could be possible, but not for a few years yet.
Of anything in current syndication (other than the Big Two and "H2," of course), I'd look for GSN to go after "ElimiDate" first if repeats become available. I know.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 12:50 PM\'] I'd look for GSN to go after "ElimiDate" first if repeats become available. I know. [/quote]
Fortunately, I think SpikeTV would outbid them.
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I like the GAA segments, so I hope they continue. The wife-carrying bits were funnier than just about anything that ever happened on the old Dawson Feud, especially after Richard started to fade away into mumbling and disinterest.
There's so much Feud on the current and future GSN schedule that it makes little difference if Saturday night sees a half-hour or full hour of the show. We're talking about the difference between 10 1/2 hours or 11 1/2 hours of Feud each week on the March 15 schedule.
BTW, I apparently got the latest household rating for the Karn Feud wrong. It was 2.6, not 3.3. Still a season high according to Variety.
One more edit: I get the feeling that GSN is approaching its Joe Millionaire dating show with, shall we say, some trepidation. GSN kicks off the March 15 changes with a double run of the blackjack show on Monday, followed by the Mole and the blackjack show again on Tuesday. Evan Marriott doesn't get his shot until Wednesday.
Yeah, he settles into his Monday night slot the week after. But GSN has already ordered more blackjack. I haven't seen any similar enthusiam for Fake-a-Date. The show might be cheesy fun, but you know the game show hard-cores will hate it.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 12:29 PM\'] [Fake-a-Date] might be cheesy fun, but you know the game show hard-cores will hate it. [/quote]
Please take your "oh, those nasty hard-core classic fans" arguments back to GSN's boards.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 04:50 PM\'] [quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 12:29 PM\'] [Fake-a-Date] might be cheesy fun, but you know the game show hard-cores will hate it. [/quote]
Please take your "oh, those nasty hard-core classic fans" arguments back to GSN's boards. [/quote]
I second that. It's very bothersome to be put in some "group" just for not liking the concept of a show. I actually had high hopes for Cram until I saw it on the air, and I like Whammy, Russian Roulette, and the first two seasons of Lingo.
Fake-A-Date, from the blurbs in the LC marathon, looks like Grade-A CRAP.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 04:55 PM\'] I second that. It's very bothersome to be put in some "group" just for not liking the concept of a show.
Fake-A-Date, from the blurbs in the LC marathon, looks like Grade-A CRAP. [/quote]
I think these two sentences together are pretty much the point that Casey was making. If you're a fan of the traditional studio-bound game show, you're probably going to be turned off by Fake-A-Date even before you've seen it. (I have spectacularly little interest in watching it myself.) No matter how much "cheesy fun" it may turn out to be, there will be a group of traditionalists who will rip it to shreds. There doesn't appear to be anything out of place in making that observation.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 06:53 PM\']
well did they switch to the Big Band theme during the middle of the season?
cause I remember they used Changing Keys and all the lights on the board "moved" (if you will) and later on when they switched to the Big Band theme, only the little lights moved. I don't know why I remember things like this but I do.
AFAIK, the Big Band theme was used from the start of the 94-95 season, up until the 1997 season. However, I have a Wheel CD-ROM game from c. 1994, and that actually used the 1992 theme, but had the 1994-95 puzzleboard. Despite that, I still don't think they ever used Changing Keys 92 with the 94 board. [/quote]
Yep, and after the Sony Interactive logo played, they played the Opening from the 92-94 seasons. I believe.
I can't remember which opening (92-93 or 93-94) they used. Any difference between the 2?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 05:41 PM\'] I think these two sentences together are pretty much the point that Casey was making. If you're a fan of the traditional studio-bound game show, you're probably going to be turned off by Fake-A-Date even before you've seen it. (I have spectacularly little interest in watching it myself.) No matter how much "cheesy fun" it may turn out to be, there will be a group of traditionalists who will rip it to shreds. There doesn't appear to be anything out of place in making that observation. [/quote]
Point taken. But still, it's almost a crusade for him over at GSN to go after anyone who doesn't like the concept of a new original and label them as a member of "the die-hard classics group," which is basically labeling you as another jessecartieri or billcullen5555. I find that unfair, because while I've had some not-so-nice things to say about GSN programming in the past [and likely will have in the future] I didn't make 13,000 posts professing my hate for Rich Cronin [I don't hate him, per se, I just don't care for him] like said trolls.
That said, I've changed my opinion of World Series of Blackjack. It looks like it might not be so bad after all. But I still would've waited to see the numbers before ordering two more blackjack series.
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Thanks for understanding -- and for keeping an open mind about things like Blackjack. I know it may not be easy, but I'd sure appreciate it if GSN Board animosities stayed on the GSN Boards. Casey's point was broad, general and pretty accurate. I was amazed to see it attacked, and I'm only now understanding that it's based on relationships you guys have over there.
Keep in mind that many of us don't go to the GSN Boards regularly. I consider myself a die-hard classic fan, and I don't even know who jessecartieri or billcullen5555 are. Don't go looking for insults that aren't there. I mean that aren't *here*.
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I'd sure appreciate it if GSN Board animosities stayed on the GSN Boards.
As would I, and probably a lot of others here too.
I don't even know who jessecartieri or billcullen5555 are
They'd jump in front of a speeding train to save tapes of Quiz Kids Challenge, let's put it that way.
It would probably be in the best interest of all involved to drop this now and get back to the subject at hand.
keeping an open mind about things like Blackjack
Out of all the new things coming, it looks like the best of the bunch. I never really digested the concept of The Mole, I saw Spy-TV once and didn't like it, and I've already said my piece on Fake-A-Date. I'll reserve full judgement on Extreme Dodgeball until we know some more about it.
Speaking of which, was it ever announced what the "mystery show" Mindless was doing for GSN was?
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 05:22 PM\'] They'd jump in front of a speeding train to save tapes of Quiz Kids Challenge, let's put it that way. [/quote]
Er... I wouldn't jump in front of a speeding train to save *any* game show tapes. (Sorry, Matt, that includes Quizbusters. :-P) I don't care what board you're on, they're just game shows.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 06:27 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 05:22 PM\'] They'd jump in front of a speeding train to save tapes of Quiz Kids Challenge, let's put it that way. [/quote]
Er... I wouldn't jump in front of a speeding train to save *any* game show tapes. (Sorry, Matt, that includes Quizbusters. :-P) I don't care what board you're on, they're just game shows. [/quote]
Which is the point I was making. Those two take GS's WAY too seriously.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 02:41 PM\'] No matter how much "cheesy fun" it may turn out to be, there will be a group of traditionalists who will rip it to shreds. There doesn't appear to be anything out of place in making that observation. [/quote]
The observation itself is flawed, as it assumes that anyone would like (or dislike) a show simply because they are a "traditionalist" when maybe, just maybe, they have a fully functioning brain that can decide what is and isn't crapola on a show-by-show basis.
These boards usually operate at a higher level than that, which is why I requested that the argument go back to from whence it came. (Which doesn't look quite right grammatically but so be it.) Hardly worth being "amazed" over, I'd think.
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I personally would love to see them show one of the early '90s WOF seasons. 1993-94 would be great (and yes, I remember that puzzleboard very fondly). Actually I'd really love to see the 92-93 season again, but I am aware that GSN showed that one before I started getting the channel, so I digress.
Also, I believe the 92-93 and 93-94 openings were pretty much identical visually except that in the 92-93 season, "10th Anniversary" appeared at the beginning I believe. Charlie's spiels were slightly different in the two seasons as well.
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Gee, you take a walk and a thread develops about you. I thought my observation was tepid, almost a truism. And the comments after the observation helped to prove my point. I'm sure that GSN execs have the same worry: their core audience won't even give dating or reality games a chance since that audience has already pretty much decided the shows are "Grade-A CRAP." That's why they're kicking off the changes with a double run of blackjack instead of a double run of Fake-a-Date. That's why they've ordered more episodes of blackjack and none of the other non-trad shows.
This is controversial? Looks more like a recognition of reality to me. Of course GSN isn't going for the traditionalists with Fake-a-Date or Spy TV. Those shows are designed to appeal to a new audience that's not interested in traditional, in-studio game shows. I don't know why anybody should get upset over this thuddingly obvious fact.
But luring a new audience is really tricky. You risk turning off the traditionalists, who of course will tend to regard the new stuff as "crapola." So GSN is hedging its bets by not committing too heavily to the further-out non-traditional stuff. Wow, this is a blinding insight, no?
In other top-secret, highly controversial news...the sun sets in the west.
EDIT: By the way, I like the fast-paced slapstick and silliness on Cram, and I'm happy that GSN is bringing the show back, if only in reruns. Nice to see the return of RR to nighttime, too. I also think the third season of Lingo is the best yet, with a much better set and a sidekick to smooth out the judging decisions and transitions between puzzles. Now if we could only get rid of the scoring updates after every puzzle...
Whammy? Todd Newton got too loud for me. I know the producers told him to get loud, but he still rubbed my auditory nerves the wrong way.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 07:28 PM\'] You risk turning off the traditionalists, who of course will tend to regard the new stuff as "crapola." [/quote]
You just don't get it, do you? If I dislike crapola, don't brand me with a label. Just describe me as "one who dislikes crapola".
For the record, I consider TJW, Bullseye, PYL and reality shows to collectively be crapola. What categorization would you use to describe that?
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 09:28 PM\'] Whammy? Todd Newton got too loud for me. I know the producers told him to get loud, but he still rubbed my auditory nerves the wrong way. [/quote]
Hold on a second here - they *told* him to get loud?? Hmm....what would the show have been like if he hadn't been told that....
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[quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 11:48 PM\'] [quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 09:28 PM\'] Whammy? Todd Newton got too loud for me. I know the producers told him to get loud, but he still rubbed my auditory nerves the wrong way. [/quote]
Hold on a second here - they *told* him to get loud?? Hmm....what would the show have been like if he hadn't been told that.... [/quote]
It still would have sucked.
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You just don't get it, do you? If I dislike crapola, don't brand me with a label. Just describe me as "one who dislikes crapola".
Oh come on, you can't seriously believe that any significant number of traditionalist game show fans will even give half a chance to stuff like Fake-a-Date. I can't believe that even in their wildest dreams, GSN execs believe Joe Millionaire's dating epic will lure zillions of TPiR fans. The whole idea of non-trad stuff like Fake-a-Date is to get a NEW audience.
Trouble is, the current syndie dating shows are losing audience as we type. So, yeah, I get the feeling that in their worst nightmares, GSN execs think that Fake-a-Date, and possibly Kenny vs. Spenny and Spy TV, will not just turn off most of the traditionalists (a given) but also fail to attract new viewers.
The blackjack show is closer to traditional in-studio gamers, so the execs probably figure it's the safest show to lead the changes with on March 15. They sure aren't kicking things off with two hours of Spy TV.
As I said before, I'm honestly surprised that these plodding statements of the obvious are controversial with anybody. That's what I really "just don't get."
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 08:26 AM\'] Oh come on, you can't seriously believe that any significant number of traditionalist game show fans will even give half a chance to stuff like Fake-a-Date [/quote]
I don't know about you, but I don't knock shows, no matter how bad they may sound, until I give them a try and watch them. I'm a "traditionalist game show fan", but that doesn't mean I can't like stuff like Fake-A-Date. Does that comment mean I like the show? No. Like I said, don't knock anything until you give it a fair shot.
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[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jan 28 2004, 09:45 PM\'] Didn't see this posted anywhere here yet, so I thought I'd go for it.
Love Connection will be making a whopping 21 appearances a week now...
Win, Lose or Draw will be making an exit...
Game related programming will be making an entrance...
Here's a link...
http://adlink.com/resource_center/programm...04&endtime=1770 (http://\"http://adlink.com/resource_center/programming_grids/apg.cfm?netid=14909&begweek=03/15/2004&endtime=1770\").
THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED DUE TO GRAMMATICAL ERRORS. [/quote]
I still see several GS oldies but goodies on the new schedule, so it's not a total loss...
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Sure there are individual exceptions. There are nearly 300 million people in this country, after all. But really, expecting most traditionalist game show fans to give stuff like Fake-a-Date a chance is like expecting most hip-hop fans to groove on Lawrence Welk. I'm sure there are hip-hoppers out there who might ADORE the accordion-meister, but pitching a marketing campaign at them is, well, not a real great idea.
Oh, the March 15 schedule has more than a few oldies but goodies. In fact, the schedule offers eighteen classics and a bunch of traditional in-studio originals from the Boden era. GSN is tiptoeing into non-trad stuff REAL carefully. And my opinion is that they'll show no mercy to any non-traditional shows that hurt their household count, even if they marginally improve the demos. It's been too much of a hard slog back from the near-death experience of last August and September.
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GSN execs have the same worry: their core audience won't even give dating or reality games a chance since that audience has already pretty much decided the shows are "Grade-A CRAP."
The day my opinion is the same as every member of GSN's core audience is the day we have TPiR, TJW, TTD, and Bullseye all on the schedule. And now we'll have a 14 page war over the flammable properties of those shows.
I don't think I'm making a blind judgement on Fake-A-Date. I've seen a few of the other "docudatergameries" in the past---they all sucked, and Fake-A-Date looks no different than any of the others.
As for Mole and Spy-TV, I already said, I tried both and didn't care for either. So I'm hardly making a blind judgement there either.
In conclusion: I gave 'em a chance. And they were Grade-A CRAP, IMO. I'm another one who'll watch something I like and not watch what I don't. And I believe I have enough information to make the judgement that I won't like these new shows.
Oh, the March 15 schedule has more than a few oldies but goodies.
It's still missing variety. Anyone who's watched the channel for a few years has probably already seen most of the episodes of these shows. It was much better when there was a completely different schedule on weekends like when I got GSN in 2000. There was Click, Body Language, TTD, Perry CS among others in good times on the weekend schedule. Now a lot of the stuff is heavily rerun-abused, such as WoF, J!, $100k Pyramid, and most recently Hollywood Squares. At least they aquired better episodes of Love Connection.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 09:14 AM\'] [quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 08:26 AM\'] Oh come on, you can't seriously believe that any significant number of traditionalist game show fans will even give half a chance to stuff like Fake-a-Date [/quote]
I don't know about you, but I don't knock shows, no matter how bad they may sound, until I give them a try and watch them. I'm a "traditionalist game show fan", but that doesn't mean I can't like stuff like Fake-A-Date. Does that comment mean I like the show? No. Like I said, don't knock anything until you give it a fair shot. [/quote]
While I usually give shows a modicum of a chance; this is the exception--Evan Marriott is less entertaining than reading a New YorK City phone book.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 01:44 PM\'] While I usually give shows a modicum of a chance; this is the exception--Evan Marriott is less entertaining than reading a New YorK City phone book. [/quote]
I don't know - I think I'll give this one a fair shot first. Then I'll blast it. :)
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The most rerun-abused classic right now is probably Greed, because of its short run. GSN still gives it two showings a week on the March 15 schedule, but I have to think a rest is coming sooner or later. Can't really say that Jeopardy or WoF look abused to me, because I watch them very sporadically on GSN. Whenever I catch an episode, it seems brand-new. I never watch H2 at all - Bergeron, Marshall, whoever. 100K Pyramid might be a little abused from my viewpoint, though I often catch shows that look new to me.
Which, of course, is the real point. Unless you lock in on a certain show and watch almost every ep religiously, it's hard to complain about rerun abuse. I might miss my guess, but if I sat down and watched GSN straight through from the end of the infomercials to the start of the left coast prime time repeat, at least 75% of the classics would be new eps for me...or certainly episodes that I couldn't remember seeing.
The Boden originals are a different matter, because I've seen virtually all of Lingo and most of Cram and RR...all fairly recently. So they do look a little rerun-frayed around the edges, though I can still enjoy them. If I ever dropped in on Friend or Foe, though, it would look pretty shiny. But I don't plan on doing that any time soon. I've seen enough of the backstabbing-fest.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 01:44 PM\'] [quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 09:14 AM\'] [quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 08:26 AM\'] Oh come on, you can't seriously believe that any significant number of traditionalist game show fans will even give half a chance to stuff like Fake-a-Date [/quote]
I don't know about you, but I don't knock shows, no matter how bad they may sound, until I give them a try and watch them. I'm a "traditionalist game show fan", but that doesn't mean I can't like stuff like Fake-A-Date. Does that comment mean I like the show? No. Like I said, don't knock anything until you give it a fair shot. [/quote]
While I usually give shows a modicum of a chance; this is the exception--Evan Marriott is less entertaining than reading a New YorK City phone book. [/quote]
Funny you mention that...on Jimmy Kimmel Live last nite, Jimmy mentioned how Evan hosted a dating show marathon on GSN (and yes, Jimmy called it "GSN" without explanation), and showed a clip of Evan talking about who better to ask to host [a dating marathon]...
To which Jimmy replied, "Um...anyone?!"
OK, you'd have to hear it for it to be humorous. :-P
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 01:44 PM\'] [quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 09:14 AM\'] [quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 08:26 AM\'] Oh come on, you can't seriously believe that any significant number of traditionalist game show fans will even give half a chance to stuff like Fake-a-Date [/quote]
I don't know about you, but I don't knock shows, no matter how bad they may sound, until I give them a try and watch them. I'm a "traditionalist game show fan", but that doesn't mean I can't like stuff like Fake-A-Date. Does that comment mean I like the show? No. Like I said, don't knock anything until you give it a fair shot. [/quote]
While I usually give shows a modicum of a chance; this is the exception--Evan Marriott is less entertaining than reading a New YorK City phone book. [/quote]
And why is he always squinting?
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 01:44 PM\']
While I usually give shows a modicum of a chance; this is the exception--Evan Marriott is less entertaining than reading a New YorK City phone book. [/quote]
This show doesn't seem like it will be GSN's best ever original, that's for sure. Speed Dating on PAX will be far more interesting than F-a-D(I've played an intelligent trashman at Speed Dating events and can sort-of relate to it)
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 17 2004, 06:31 AM\'] [quote name=\'tommycharles\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 11:48 PM\'] [quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 16 2004, 09:28 PM\'] Whammy? Todd Newton got too loud for me. I know the producers told him to get loud, but he still rubbed my auditory nerves the wrong way. [/quote]
Hold on a second here - they *told* him to get loud?? Hmm....what would the show have been like if he hadn't been told that.... [/quote]
It still would have sucked. [/quote]
Exactly. It just sucked that much more with him being loud.
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By the way, GSN just released the names of the players on the blackjack show. Well, some of the names are a bit...odd-sounding:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040219/lath084_1.html (http://\"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040219/lath084_1.html\")
This is the show that the network seems to be, er, doubling down on. Ken Einiger was on the Travel Channel's blackjack show. "Jane Gamble"? Come on.
Though Chris Moneymaker did win last year's World Series of Poker.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 19 2004, 04:19 PM\']By the way, GSN just released the names of the players on the blackjack show. Well, some of the names are a bit...odd-sounding:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040219/lath084_1.html (http://\"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040219/lath084_1.html\")[/quote]
Looking at the press release, I see that one of the producers is Paul Abeyta, who worked with Merv on his talk show and "Dance Fever" back in the day. One can only hope that this will be better than Abeyta's last venture for GSN--"Burt Luddin's Love Buffet."
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It's still missing variety. Anyone who's watched the channel for a few years has probably already seen most of the episodes of these shows. It was much better when there was a completely different schedule on weekends like when I got GSN in 2000. There was Click, Body Language, TTD, Perry CS among others in good times on the weekend schedule. Now a lot of the stuff is heavily rerun-abused, such as WoF, J!, $100k Pyramid, and most recently Hollywood Squares. At least they aquired better episodes of Love Connection.
GSN (soon to be GSN) should have a more varied schedule as far as traditional game shows go. They certainly have the library. I couldn't care much about body language or click, but TTD was fun and PErry was the better card sharks host. Personally, I wish they'd air more 70's game shows. Not to be too redundant, but I miss $20k pyr, the gong show and classic HSQ terribly. Wof & Jeopardy are far from rerun abused, and if anything, they're neglected. I'd like to see the older episodes of both shows. Love connection is pathetic, that's rerun-abused.
BTW: classic LMaD is getting stale. How many episodes of that show exist, and does GSN ever plan to buy the rest of it? I truly enjoy the show.
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[quote name=\'1978-Jeopardy\' date=\'Feb 19 2004, 07:36 PM\']
BTW: classic LMaD is getting stale. How many episodes of that show exist, and does GSN ever plan to buy the rest of it? I truly enjoy the show. [/quote]
They have 250 or so episodes of the 70s syndie nighttime run(1971-77, with a couple of ABC primetime episodes thrown in), as well as the 175 episodes of the 1984-85 All New version. They're about halfway through showing the latter season on the 9AM run. The 1985-86 syndie season, and most likely the 1980-81 Canadian version and the 1990 NBC run(and of course the 2003 NBC revival, of which two episodes never aired) are still around. There'd be rights issues in airing those versions. Catalena productions syndicated the 1980-81 run, and Dick Clark/Ron Greenberg Productions in association with Buena Vista AKA Disney did the 1990 run. No word on whether the 1963-76 NBC/ABC daytime or the mid 60s primetime episodes are still around.
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One can only hope that this will be better than Abeyta's last venture for GSN--"Burt Luddin's Love Buffet."
Most test patterns would be better than the late Buffet. Hard to see how the blackjack show could get nearly as cheesy. My guess is that it will be pretty similar to the Travel Channel show, maybe with less post-production. All the narration was added well after the fact on the Travel Channel. GSN might so something similar to the poker shows...mix live commentary with some later stuff.
Ran across an interesting discussion of Ken Einiger's tough beat on the final hand in the Travel Channel tournament:
http://www.blackjacktournaments.com/bb/showthread.php?t=23 (http://\"http://www.blackjacktournaments.com/bb/showthread.php?t=23\")
Seems like the experts agree that Ken did himself a favor by mucking up the split, which forced him to double. Only he then lost on an excruciating final card.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 19 2004, 07:51 PM\'] and Dick Clark/Ron Greenberg Productions in association with Buena Vista AKA Disney did the 1990 run. [/quote]
Which really shouldn't be a problem....they air "Greed" and "Who Wants to be a Millionaire"....it's probably moreso that no one wants to see these episodes again.
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Just to show that any of GSN's non-traditional shows which don't perform well might get a swift kick, read this unintentionally funny article on the now-buried video games block:
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0PJQ/1...1/article.jhtml (http://\"http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0PJQ/17_1/110823616/p1/article.jhtml\")
Have to laugh over the line that Carmen Nicole could bump Regis off GSN. Carmen is long gone and the network is plugging Millionaire ten times an hour.
If Joe Millionaire and Kenny and Spenny and the other non-trad types bomb, they might well join Carmen wherever she is now.
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[quote name=\'CaseyAbell\' date=\'Feb 20 2004, 12:30 PM\'] Just to show that GSN's non-traditional shows which don't perform well might get a swift kick, read this unintentionally funny article on the now-buried video games block:
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Unintentionally funny indeed....This part made me laugh..
"As well, the online message boards at GameShowNetwork.com are swollen with harsh comments by fan boys about the programming, especially its reliance on syndicated shows."
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After about a week of repeatedly repositioning an indoor UHF antenna hooked to a set-top HDTV tuner box trying to maintain a steady, dropout-free picture on the HD versions of two local afilliates, I decided to bite the bullet and go for digital cable in order to get them problem-free in time for the Oscars.
In addition to the HD tier, I also subscribed to a family entertainment tier, meaning that for the first time since that aborted three-week period in 1999, GSN is back on my own TV! : )
Of course, this is all happening a mere three weeks before Game Show Network becomes the "new" GSN...so I still fear I missed out on some great shows that may never see the light of GSN ever again. This is setting me back about $70 a month and I wish they'd help make GSN's recent return to my home worthwhile.
GSN, would it REALLY be that big a nail in your coffin to schedule those 12 weeks of "Spin-Off" eps in some off-hour? Poker IS hot on TV now, y'know.
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Sad to say, there will probably be only one 30 - minute generic FF episode* shown per Saturday night, since GSN will probably continue airing their GAA spots, however inane one may think they are.
Yep, it looks like that's the case. The episode was a half-hour ABC daytime show from 1980. The Tack family, who would eventually retire undefeated, played their first game.
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Happen to know the airdate?
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[quote name=\'MCArroyo1\' date=\'Mar 20 2004, 10:54 PM\']
Sad to say, there will probably be only one 30 - minute generic FF episode* shown per Saturday night, since GSN will probably continue airing their GAA spots, however inane one may think they are.
Yep, it looks like that's the case. The episode was a half-hour ABC daytime show from 1980. The Tack family, who would eventually retire undefeated, played their first game. [/quote]
Sound like it's where the midday run of the network "Feud" left off in--2002?
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Mar 22 2004, 04:02 PM\'][quote name=\'MCArroyo1\' date=\'Mar 20 2004, 10:54 PM\']
Sad to say, there will probably be only one 30 - minute generic FF episode* shown per Saturday night, since GSN will probably continue airing their GAA spots, however inane one may think they are.
Yep, it looks like that's the case. The episode was a half-hour ABC daytime show from 1980. The Tack family, who would eventually retire undefeated, played their first game. [/quote]
Sound like it's where the midday run of the network "Feud" left off in--2002?[/quote]
Not quite. That run left off after reaching the early months of 1982. The episode that aired Saturday night was the first of the daytime run to include a 1980 date in the closing credits.
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[quote name=\'David Lawrence\' date=\'Mar 22 2004, 03:38 PM\'] [quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Mar 22 2004, 04:02 PM\'][quote name=\'MCArroyo1\' date=\'Mar 20 2004, 10:54 PM\']
Sad to say, there will probably be only one 30 - minute generic FF episode* shown per Saturday night, since GSN will probably continue airing their GAA spots, however inane one may think they are.
Yep, it looks like that's the case. The episode was a half-hour ABC daytime show from 1980. The Tack family, who would eventually retire undefeated, played their first game. [/quote]
Sound like it's where the midday run of the network "Feud" left off in--2002?[/quote]
Not quite. That run left off after reaching the early months of 1982. The episode that aired Saturday night was the first of the daytime run to include a 1980 date in the closing credits. [/quote]
What was the airdate of the "September" episode? Wasn't that sometime in 1980 (I would love to see that ep in its entirety at some point)?
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Mar 22 2004, 04:57 PM\']What was the airdate of the "September" episode? Wasn't that sometime in 1980 (I would love to see that ep in its entirety at some point)?
Doug[/quote]
I don't have exact airdates, but the Trejo family (the family involved in the "September" incident) was on for 7 days in fall of 1980. So unless GSN plans to skip around, don't expect to see this air on the weekend schedule anytime soon.
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The "September" episode was taped Sept 25, 1980, and aired in October 1980. This is according to the old "WinTV".
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Mar 23 2004, 07:53 AM\'] The "September" episode was taped Sept 25, 1980, and aired in October 1980. This is according to the old "WinTV". [/quote]
Thanks to both of you for the update. :)
Doug