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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: MrBuddwing on July 13, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
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It's a kinescope of something called "Make Your Move," it was produced by Goodson and Todman, and the seller couldn't find any info about it. (Unsold pilot, perhaps?)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Lost-TV-GAME-SHOW-16mm-KINESCOPE-Movie-TV-Make-Your-Move-1950s-1960s-vtg-/263086045424?hash=item3d412678f0:g:38wAAOSwlRpZZuEQ
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Interesting that "What's Going On?" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Going_On_(TV_series)) is the crossed-out title at the top of the photo...
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Interesting that "What's Going On?" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Going_On_(TV_series)) is the crossed-out title at the top of the photo...
Good catch! You don't think that's the missing 5th and final episode of the series, is it? Not like anyone of us clamoring to see more of that dud turn up...
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The date on the reel (also partially crossed out) seems to be 11/18/54, if that helps any.
From what I can tell, having searched between 1946-79 (to cover all the bases), it wasn't mentioned in Variety or Broadcasting at any point.
You don't think that's the missing 5th and final episode of the series, is it? Not like anyone of us clamoring to see more of that dud turn up...
If I'm not mistaken, GSN aired the other four episodes, so I'd be all for a complete set...but this doesn't seem to be that unless it's on a later part of the reel (the seller notes that "I only looked at the beginning of the roll, so I don't know how many episodes are on the reel.").
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Not like anyone of us clamoring to see more of that dud turn up...
The host was a dud and things could have been funnier, but What's Going On wasn't a bad idea for a panel show, especially if it they'd tried again when technology was better.
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It's a kinescope of something called "Make Your Move," it was produced by Goodson and Todman, and the seller couldn't find any info about it. (Unsold pilot, perhaps?)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Lost-TV-GAME-SHOW-16mm-KINESCOPE-Movie-TV-Make-Your-Move-1950s-1960s-vtg-/263086045424?hash=item3d412678f0:g:38wAAOSwlRpZZuEQ
Almost certainly an unsold pilot, though I can't find anything about it.
The very fuzzy pictures provide only the barest of clues. The host appears to be wearing glasses -- Ludden, perhaps? The most interesting thing to me, though, is that the contestant nameplates appear to be displaying first and last names, unheard of for regular contestants. These might very well be celebrities, though it's very hard to make out any detail.
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Despite the 1954 date on the reel, this is almost certainly from the 1960s, based on the set design, title logo, and G-T typeface at the end of the show. The men's hair also indicates 1960s.
I'm wondering if the full names on the nameplates means they were "celebrities" playing for members of the studio audience or home viewers, which seemed to be a trend in the late 1960s.
As for the host, could be Allen Ludden or Robert Earle.
Note this says there could be more than one episode on the roll. If we're that curious, we have five days to crowdfund $120.
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As for the host, could be Allen Ludden or Robert Earle.
While it would be lovely to find another project Earle might have been attached to (many of us have seen the unsold King of the Hill pilot from the 1970s), of the two, Ludden seems a lot more likely.
Note this says there could be more than one episode on the roll. If we're that curious, we have five days to crowdfund $120.
I think all he's saying is he doesn't know, and reels like that typically only had one show on them. More troubling to me is the comment that "It is not a super sharply focused film visually," an observation borne out by the stills. The kinescope itself is out of focus, and even the most pristine transfer to digital isn't going to correct that. So this isn't going to be perfect, but I bet it'll still be interesting.
So let's see how interesting. I'll get the ball rolling by saying I'm looking for at least ten people willing to pledge no more than twenty dollars to the project. I will take responsibility for bidding on the item and, if we win it, arranging for it to be transferred. The transfer is why the cost will probably approach $200 when all is said and done. In the end, the actual cost will be shared equally among all participants, meaning your share will almost certainly be less than $20, and possibly much less. Everyone who participates gets a digital copy when we're done.
So who's interested?
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As for the host, could be Allen Ludden or Robert Earle.
While it would be lovely to find another project Earle might have been attached to (many of us have seen the unsold King of the Hill pilot from the 1970s), of the two, Ludden seems a lot more likely.
Note this says there could be more than one episode on the roll. If we're that curious, we have five days to crowdfund $120.
I think all he's saying is he doesn't know, and reels like that typically only had one show on them. More troubling to me is the comment that "It is not a super sharply focused film visually," an observation borne out by the stills. The kinescope itself is out of focus, and even the most pristine transfer to digital isn't going to correct that. So this isn't going to be perfect, but I bet it'll still be interesting.
So let's see how interesting. I'll get the ball rolling by saying I'm looking for at least ten people willing to pledge no more than twenty dollars to the project. I will take responsibility for bidding on the item and, if we win it, arranging for it to be transferred. The transfer is why the cost will probably approach $200 when all is said and done. In the end, the actual cost will be shared equally among all participants, meaning your share will almost certainly be less than $20, and possibly much less. Everyone who participates gets a digital copy when we're done.
So who's interested?
I'll bite. I'll pledge $20
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Absolutely. $20 in.
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Put me down for $20, please.
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Count me in for $20 as well.
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I'll contribute an equal share as well. I'll also suggest that the room note Matt's language. The total cost is split evenly, and he'll certainly accept more than 10 offers if they come.
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Count me in Matt. Contact me on FB so I can get details where to pay.
Don
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I'm in for $20
--Chris
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I'm in for $20!
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I'm in as well.
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Count me in. Thanks, Matt.
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I'll contribute an equal share as well. I'll also suggest that the room note Matt's language. The total cost is split evenly, and he'll certainly accept more than 10 offers if they come.
Correct. This isn't the first ten people to pledge $20. We'll take as many of you as possible, and the more we have, the lower the total cost will be. You are pledging a willingness to go as high as $20.
Don't be a schmuck and wait on the sidelines in the hopes that someone will upload it to YouTube, or that you'll get it in a trade. If ever there was a time to be part of a community of game show fans, it's now. I've had two people contact me directly, so this IS going to happen. Be a part of it.
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"And for that reason, I'm in."
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Count me in as well.
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I'm in. I'll pay you $20 in person next month, so everybody else involved just needs to split $180.
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I'm in. I'll pay you $20 in person next month, so everybody else involved just needs to split $180.
That's a stout point--I didn't think of it.
(Specifically that those of us who are going to see MattO in person don't need to use Paypal and let them cut into our total. I'll be curious to see what the shares end up being because there's so many interested folks.)
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I'll get the ball rolling by saying I'm looking for at least ten people willing to pledge no more than twenty dollars to the project. I will take responsibility for bidding on the item and, if we win it, arranging for it to be transferred. The transfer is why the cost will probably approach $200 when all is said and done. In the end, the actual cost will be shared equally among all participants, meaning your share will almost certainly be less than $20, and possibly much less. Everyone who participates gets a digital copy when we're done.
So who's interested?
*raises hand*
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I'm in, too.
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I will pledge as well; thanks for leading the charge on this Matt!
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I am in as well!
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I'm in too..
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At this point, I'm curious to know if even Fremantle/Buzzr has anything on this.
Regardless, count me in. My birthday's coming up in about six weeks, and "Goodson-Todman game show that nobody's heard of" sounds like a nice gift to myself. :)
Don't be a schmuck and wait on the sidelines in the hopes that someone will upload it to YouTube,
Serious question: Would this be okay to upload to YouTube once all is said and done? Your wording seems to suggest a "no", but I'm not 100% sure.
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I wouldn't read too much into this. I don't think Matt is talking about the issue of copyright; it's more of a sitting on your hands because it'll likely end up online anyway.
It's just the forum coming together is all. :)
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I'm in.
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My apologies for being late, but I am also absolutely in and will pledge $20 as well.
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I'll take Lost Pilots for $20!
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I'll go in, too.
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I'd like to pledge to the GSF Fund Drive. At what level do we get the complimentary tote bag?
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*raises hand* In.
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I'm in.
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We have way more than 10 now, so sure I'll chip in a few bucks.
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We have way more than 10 now, so sure I'll chip in a few bucks.
Another clarification. Anybody who's in is committing to paying no more than twenty dollars. I am not absolutely guaranteeing that the total costs will be less than $200. Now that we have this many participants, I will be willing to pay more than the base price for the item, and our total may go over $200.
I think the likelihood here is that we've scored ourselves a crowdsourcing winner, and we'll each end up paying less than ten. But that's not a guarantee. I'm not taking up a collection and this isn't GoFundMe, so "I'll chip in a few bucks" is a bit unclear and not the response I'm looking for.
As for the YouTube issue, I don't intend to upload it to YouTube, and my personal feeling is that I hope no one does. But I have no control of that. If we win the auction, it's not my video. It's ours. You can do with your copy whatever you want.
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Serious question: Would this be okay to upload to YouTube once all is said and done? Your wording seems to suggest a "no", but I'm not 100% sure.
Well, if you are going to upload it, then I see no reason for anyone else to kick in, because they will get it for free eventually.
Do you see now why that was a completely douchey thing to even entertain, much less ask about?
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I too will pitch in :)
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Well, if you are going to upload it, then I see no reason for anyone else to kick in, because they will get it for free eventually.
I never said I was going to upload it. I was asking for clarification, since I wasn't sure whether this was going to be done like how the What's My Line? Facebook group handles the occasional eBay auction that comes their way (the October 1, 1950 episode coming immediately to mind). Admittedly, I should've made that point clear the first time around, and looking at it again I can see how it was taken in a way I didn't intend (as you said, douchey - again, my fault that I didn't clarify and used some poor word choices).
The fact Matt clarified that this wasn't quite that kind of crowdfunding did sadden me a bit, admittedly, but it left me even more glad I'm pledging since otherwise I'd be kicking myself. And in any case, the auction still has about three-and-a-half days left, so I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch.
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I'm a bit late to this thread, but I'll pitch in also.
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And in any case, the auction still has about three-and-a-half days left, so I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch.
No offense, but this comes across pretty douchey too, mate.
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And in any case, the auction still has about three-and-a-half days left, so I don't think we should count our chickens before they hatch.
No offense, but this comes across pretty douchey too, mate.
What gets under my skin is the fact that a fellow adult had to TELL him that uploading the thing to YouTube would be undermining the effort of literally every person who's posted in this same thread. Like, common sense. I know he's all about getting those delicious views, but come on.
Dan, do you ever get sick of apologizing for your poor word choices? You prove your incompetence in this area time and time again, but instead of improving, you trot out your self-deprecating apology and move right on to the next faux pas. What good is an apology if there's no accompanying action to correct the thing you're apologizing for?
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I know he's all about getting those delicious views, but come on.
No, I'm not. I personally don't consider views all that important unless it's user-made content, and I don't do that kind of stuff.
Dan, do you ever get sick of apologizing for your poor word choices?
How could I respond to this? How could anyone respond to this if asked?
You prove your incompetence in this area time and time again, but instead of improving, you trot out your self-deprecating apology and move right on to the next faux pas.
How is owning up to my mistakes "self-deprecating"? Even looking at the definition of the term, I really don't understand.
What good is an apology if there's no accompanying action to correct the thing you're apologizing for?
I...
I don't know.
I mean, I thought I was improving myself, but evidently that's not the case if this keeps happening.
In the end, I screwed up. I didn't mean to undermine everyone's efforts with my remarks, but I did so regardless and deeply apologize.
I think...I think I need to just step away from the forum for a week or so. Matt, please let me know if/when I need to send you my share of the costs.
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Hey, Dan? You say you want to be accepted into our community. We tell you "here's how to be accepted into our community." You then crumple that advice and toss it away, then revert to your old behavior. Whether it is posting to tell the group that you know the airdate of an episode of $10,000 Pyramid, not getting the humor in a video parodying The Towering Inferno, implying that a KS drive should bait-and-switch because "if we told you what we were really planning to do, you wouldn't fund us!", and then there was the whole silliness with the pop culture quiz show where you managed to totally disrespect someone who puts on game shows at conventions and aggressively not get humor.
It's not our responsibility to hold your hand. You can say "I should step away for a while" but to echo Christian's point, (I remember the last time that happened) what good is it if the behavior doesn't change? We have a chunk of our community deciding to be a community together by sharing something fun, and you (for reasons only known to you) poop all over it.
I think you don't understand because deep down you don't want to admit that the reason you're viewed the way you are is your own doing. You have been here for seven years and managed to step on just about every rake in the tool shed, We'll get along without you just fine, but don't kid yourself that you're going to turn over a new leaf and be accepted into the fold.
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For the sake of this crowdsourcing and since we know the intent of Dan88, can we forbid him from participating in this particular adventure?
This crowdsourcing is based on the trust that Ottinger will get everyone's contribution if we win the bid. If one of us puts it on YouTube then Ottinger runs the risks of some people not paying because they got to see this treasure for free. The world is full of a**holes that are willing to make a promise then when confronted about breaking it will say "Yeah, so?", and they can get by because there were no rules stipulating that promise.
Dan, because you clearly telegraphed your intentions we do not trust your word. Also, we have your history here to back it up.
If Dan wants to continue to be part of this crowdsourcing, I say all of us puts together a stipulation that we are not allowed to put this video on a video sharing website within a certain time period. If one of us does it, they will be banned from the forum and will be forced to pay Ottinger for the WHOLE thing.
I am sorry if this seems harsh, but because no one has actually contributed money yet, we need to have some sort of stipulation so an a**hole does not ruin this.
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Dan, do you ever get sick of apologizing for your poor word choices?
How could I respond to this? How could anyone respond to this if asked?
It's really simple: don't be so impulsive to post. Don't turn everything into a dissertation. As I mentioned upthread, this is simply a really cool endeavor where we are coming together to obtain a rare game show. Simply enjoy the moment and go with it! No need to turn it into more than it really is.
Travis explained this the best. If you feel taking a break is for the better, then fine. But if you don't take the advice into consideration, does it really mean anything?
As for the crowdsourcing, I love that this is happening, and wouldn't mind seeing it happen if another obscurity pops up in the future.
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Not to butt in on the current discussion, but count me in as far as chipping in is concerned (if it's not too late, that is).
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I would like to be a chipper-inner!
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I'd be in for throwing in some cash in as well.
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Sure, why not?
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I am sorry if this seems harsh, but because no one has actually contributed money yet, we need to have some sort of stipulation so an a**hole does not ruin this.
No, you don't.
This is supposed to be simple. Let it be simple. If someone decides anyhow to be incredibly stupid, then they are going to be stupid. We've seen stupid time and time again in this community and what ends up happening is that they get ostracized out of the community organically and the community continues on.
Dan isn't going to post it at this point, if he ever was. He didn't ask out of any malicious intent, he asked because he is simply incredibly dense.
But considering that Matt is acting as point man on this out of the goodness of his heart and the desire to conduct a community experiment, don't make it more complicated than it already is.
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Sorry I'm late to the party, I'll pitch in as well! :)
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Sure, count me in as well Matt.
-Ryan
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I'm in.
The preservationist in me says this would be nice to end up on YT eventually, perhaps after an exclusive period for the people that chipped in. No I wouldn't upload it myself. Thanks Matt for doing this.
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Matt, count me in.
Dan, delete your account.
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Count me in too.
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If it's not too late, I would be thrilled to contribute. :)
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I'd like to chip in, too.
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What the heck, I'd like to pitch in too.
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An update as to my thinking here. The outpouring is truly impressive. Somebody told me privately that we're up to around forty people right now, far more than I expected. But before you get your calculators out and start writing five-dollar checks, I can tell you (because I work in public television, remember?) that the larger your pool of pledgers, the more likely it is that you don't get a 100% fulfillment rate. What I think I'm going to do is ask everybody for a little more (seven or eight dollars is where I am right now) in case some people don't follow through. Any overages after the dust settles can be given to charity.
Still, we're not there yet, so don't send money! The auction closes tomorrow night. Keep those fingers crossed!
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So if we have forty people who are all willing to throw in, there's a lot of real estate between where the bid is now and our total pledged outlay. I'm staying cautiously optimistic.
/don't forget nine bucks for shipping
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Just reading this thread now. I'm in.
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Late to the thread, but I'm in for a share as well. Fantastic idea to have an overage go to charity!
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Having played a small part in instigating this group effort, I'd like to pitch in too, for the full $20.
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It's important to me that this goes to good hands in the community, so I'll pitch in for $20 as well. Good luck, and put in a good number! ;D
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I think we might have gotten sniped....there were 2 bids in the last 10 seconds..
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I think we might have gotten sniped....there were 2 bids in the last 10 seconds..
I feel bad...FOR THE OTHER GUY WHO GOT SNIPED!
That's our bid. We won. Details to come soon.
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YES! And and considering we have so many people offering to contribute, even with the higher bid it's not gonna be too bad..
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(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a9/a9ed842f739e930dc8e9340bafbbaeaf77994c50c74fc6a86b046b54cb9b2c59.jpg)
Nice work!
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I knew ol' Sniper Matt wouldn't let us down! Woohoo! ;D
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Excellent.
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Great news.
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OK, here's the next phase of the master plan.
I'm going to ask everyone who offered to contribute -- or, frankly, anybody else who still wants in -- to put in nine dollars toward the cause. That might sound a little high, but I'm not sure I can count on all the pledges being fulfilled. There are also additional expenses to come, primarily the cost of the transfer. Also -- and this is important -- any overage will go to charity. In fact, a very specific and appropriate charity. In a couple of weeks, several members of our community will be in Las Vegas entertaining a bunch of elite trivia players with their Game Show Throwdown, a 24-hour spectacular where we play simulations of a different game show every hour. They're taking donations to benefit Children's Miracle Network through ExtraLife, and that seems a perfect place to put our extra funds. So if you want to put in more than nine, you know where it's going.
You can start the payments now. If you have PayPal, I am ottinger@starfleet.com. With your payment, leave a note telling me your real name in case I don't recognize your handle in these parts. If you would rather mail me a check, my address is 10345 Lafayette Lane in Dimondale, MI 48821. And again, a note please.
It'll probably be several weeks before this thing is ready (it might not even get in my hands until the 28th), but once I get it done, we can figure out how to get it to you. Dropbox is a likely option, though I'm perfectly happy to burn and mail DVDs for anybody who wants it that way. Hell, I'll put it on VHS for you if that floats your boat.
This was fun, and will continue to be fun for the next few weeks. Thanks to everyone who is participating.
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Done and done.
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Payment sent. Forgot to attach a note, but hopefully Matt knows who I am by now.
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Payment and note sent.
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Just between you, me and the wall here if you choose to "send money to a friend" PayPal doesn't take a cut.
/of course you have a starfleet account.
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Done! :)
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A check should arrive by the 28th.
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I'll Paypal you in the next couple of days...
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Sounds cliché, but check will be in the mail shortly. Thanks for taking the lead on this Matt and I can't wait to see the finished product!!
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PayPal'd.
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Payment sent! HYPE
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Paid
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Sent. Thanks for organizing this and hope we end up with a nice surplus for charity.
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Paid through PayPal.
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Less than 24 hours since winning the auction, I've already heard from 24 of you directly through PayPal, and since several of you offered more than the minimum nine bucks, we've already covered the cost of the auction. It's also looking like the transfer may be free, as long as we give the guy his own copy as part of the deal. (He's an extremely private collector, it's not going anywhere.) So aside from some nominal shipping costs, we're home free and now we're playing for charity.
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Wonderful news! Congratulations to us, and thanks to our fearless leader for organizing this project! (Oh--and all PayPal'd up, here.)
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Wonderful news! Congratulations to us, and thanks to our fearless leader for organizing this project! (Oh--and all PayPal'd up, here.)
To be clear, fearless leader of this project alone. Former fearless co-leader of the community at large.
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Your order is on its way, Matt!
Thank you for shopping on eBay! Your order has shipped to 10345 Lafayette Ln, Dimondale, US, MI, 48821-9426. The tracking number is 94490969993765102474. We hope you enjoy your purchase!
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PayPaling you right now, and since it's for the charity, I'll be sending the full $20.
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Sent
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Wonderful news! Congratulations to us, and thanks to our fearless leader for organizing this project! (Oh--and all PayPal'd up, here.)
To be clear, fearless leader of this project alone. Former fearless co-leader of the community at large.
Well, yes. Fearless Leader Emeritus.
#stillconsidershimarolemodel
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Money sent.
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Since the overage is going to charity, I sent you the full $20.
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Hey, Matt...just sent my $20 via PayPal. Many thanks for all your hard work on this.
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$20 sent from Mitch Groff.
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Today's mail included three of your checks...and the film!
It will soon be off for digitization.
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I don't know what's more exciting -- the anticipation of the film or the final tally on the tote board.
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...or the final tally on the tote board.
...which was provided by the American Totalisator Company.
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I don't know what's more exciting -- the anticipation of the film or the final tally on the tote board.
Well, remember when I said we had about forty pledges, but that we probably wouldn't get forty fulfillments?
I was right. So far, we've gotten forty-two. And I know there are at least two more coming. Many of you also paid more than nine dollars, quite a few going as far as the full twenty we originally talked about. So right now, we're standing nearly two hundred dollars over budget. At least that much will go to charity next week when many of us meet up in Las Vegas. I'll have a definite final total at the Vegas event. Good job, people!
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An update from Las Vegas, where I'm participating at TCONA with many of you. The film is in the hands of a friend in New Jersey who is taking it to HIS friend to have it transferred. Could be a few more days depending on that other person's schedule. Then he'll send everything back to me and I'll start dispersing the final result!
Meanwhile, I'll be announcing the charity part our exercise tonight at the Game Show Throwdown, following the playing of Win Matt Ottinger's Money. You can watch the stream live to see the game and the announcement, and I'll be back here after that to share the final total with you.
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As some of you saw in person, and I hope others saw online, I was happy to announce that our crowdfunding effort resulted in so much of an overage that we ended up donating $250 to the Throwdown efforts for Children's Miracle Network. Congratulations to all.
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*like*
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The film is being transferred Wednesday. The transferer is a little old-school, so I'm going to get a physical DVD in the mail. I'm going to guess by about Monday (a week from today) we'll have our prize!
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Matt,
Thank you again for spearheading this effort. It is much appreciated!!
Don
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Transfer has been completed. I'm told it went well, but that there's one spot near the end where the quality isn't quite as good. Still watchable, I'm told, just not as good as the rest.
I've very specifically kept myself in the dark about the contents. I want us all to experience it for ourselves.
It'll probably be put in the mail tomorrow. I should have it by Monday, maybe sooner.
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I have the video, and on Monday, it will be ready for release.
If you mailed me a check, I have your physical address and will mail you a DVD.
If you sent me money through Paypal, I'll contact you through the e-mail you provided and give you Dropbox instructions.
If I've put you in the wrong distribution camp (if a PayPal person wants a DVD, for example), let me know at ottinger@starfleet.com before Monday.
(After Monday is fine too, it'll just take longer for you.)
I will tell you two things. The focus problem we were worried about is only in the final recap segment, not during the game.
You have been generous and patient. That sort of behavior should be rewarded. So it will be.
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I have the video, and on Monday, it will be ready for release.
Whee! Thanks, Matt!
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Looking forward to it! Thanks again for spearheading all of this.
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Matt: please be generous on how long you leave the Dropbox up for those of us who are running from spinning death right now.
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Hey, not to get all technical -- I know, that is so unbecoming of this board -- but this is still a business transaction, and so it probably would be a good idea to establish some terms so that everyone is on the same page before the video is distributed.
I suggest:
- There is no expressed or implied ownership of copyright conferred.
- No one in this transaction has a claim on the physical possession of the film. I think it would be a good idea to donate the film to the Paley Center, the Museum of Broadcast Communication, the UCLA Film & TV Archive or some other non-profit repository once we are sure that we have satisfactorily completed the digitization.
- If we accept any latecomers who would like to obtain the video, they would be responsible to making a $9 minimum donation as was conducted previously. If a physical DVD is requested, the costs of such would be tacked on. We should establish a sunset, say, 180 days/1 year from now.
- If for any reason there are monetary proceeds from the film, DVD, or digital media, then those proceeds will be donated as conducted previously. This applies also if (in the extraordinarily unlikely event) it is determined that intellectual property rights were conferred by the eBay auction.
- This group will not impose a restriction on people in this transaction from making copies, distributing, selling, or posting to social media, however those who do so are individually liable for those actions from the copyright holder. While there is no restriction from the group, we strongly discourage public sharing of this media, since we all have made a personal investment in the preservation of this media.
Again, a lot of technical stuff, but I think it is important to spell all of these things up front, lest we have legal issues down the line. There is a microscopically small chance that this could be a valuable property, and we need to protect everyone in the group.
Please feel free to hack this up and suggest changes, and maybe we will have a consensus on the terms.
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I appreciate your concern and your enthusiasm, but this is much ado about very, very little. In the end this is just a game show video that a bunch of collectors are getting their hands on at the same time. There are thousands of such videos in circulation, some more widely circulated than others. Nothing to get worked up about.
Tomorrow, I'll start sharing the Dropbox folder with e-mails I have from your PayPal payments. DVDs have already been burned and will also go out in Monday's mail.
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Please feel free to hack this up and suggest changes, and maybe we will have a consensus on the terms.
Lighten up, Francis.
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All (save one) of you who sent a PayPal payment (and who didn't specifically tell me that you'd prefer a DVD) should now have received a notification from Dropbox that you have access to the folder.
Whichever among you is Red Up Design, PayPal did not give me an e-mail address for you, so you don't have your link yet. Contact me.
Also, if I accidentally put a second item in the folder, then you should absolutely take advantage of my absent-mindedness and download that as well. Chances are I will have absent-mindedly put it on the DVD as well.
Contact me at ottinger@starfleet.com with any problems.
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Also, if I accidentally put a second item in the folder, then you should absolutely take advantage of my absent-mindedness and download that as well. Chances are I will have absent-mindedly put it on the DVD as well.
I was curious as to whether that was just a fun bonus--I'm particularly interested to see it because the forebearer is one of my favorite games of old.
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Got it. Thanks very much!
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<<COMMERCIAL>>
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Dandy fun, Matt! Thanks again on both counts!
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Thanks again Matt for coordinating everything on this--it's fantastic!
BTW, I wonder if this isn't our contestant 'C':
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10228970/Flight-Lieutenant-Tony-Snell.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10228970/Flight-Lieutenant-Tony-Snell.html)
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BTW, I wonder if this isn't our contestant 'C':
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10228970/Flight-Lieutenant-Tony-Snell.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10228970/Flight-Lieutenant-Tony-Snell.html)
Man, I love stuff like this! Not only is this almost certainly our guy, but the detailed bio even gives us the time frame in which this pilot took place! My viewing partner (mmb5) and I decided originally that this was probably 1966, but based on this new information, maybe we back it up to 1965. Those of you with more familiarity with the comings and goings of G-T staffers may be able to narrow it down even further, since we're treated to a pretty complete credit roll.
Plus, you've just got to love it when a pilot does a pilot.
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Jean Craighead George was a fairly prominent children's book author. Submitted for your consideration:
http://www.jeancraigheadgeorge.com/bio.html
EDITED to very strong likely "yes". She's identified as being from Washington, DC, as was the author.
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And the hits keep right on coming:
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Carol-Corbett/
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First of all, to echo the general sentiment, this is an awesome treat to watch. Thank you to Matt and everyone involved in the conversion effort.
Secondly, regarding the second video in that Dropbox folder...I just now realized that the think music, best known as a Price Is Right cue, was written to the tune of the Oddball theme music. Listen to it!
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Make Your Move would make a sensational home game if it isn't one already. I would play the heck out of that game. Would probably watch it as a series too. I found myself screaming at my screen many times.
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Make Your Move would make a sensational home game if it isn't one already. I would play the heck out of that game. Would probably watch it as a series too. I found myself screaming at my screen many times.
I'll make a note. :)
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Those of you with more familiarity with the comings and goings of G-T staffers may be able to narrow it down even further, since we're treated to a pretty complete credit roll.
The only noteworthy thing that jumps to mind about the less-familiar names in the credits is that stage manager Elmer Gorry became a (very) minor star in the 1980s with a recurring character on "Late Night with David Letterman." He appeared semi-regularly playing the role of Grant Tinker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpWyhHKLAAU
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Two clips I've found, that are relevant to our discussion of the contestants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GaBxvep-7I
This one would seem to confirm that, yes, Contestant C was the Flight Lieutenant turned entertainer- note that the voice and (once aging is consider) face are the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wflfUzORfHQ
This I'll leave open to the floor- our Contestant D (once we consider changes in fashion, the passing of around a decade, and the fact that her vocal tone may differ due to the audience), or not?
(And, as an actually-relevant point: If Contestant D is indeed the NYC-based children's show host, this almost certainly pushes the date of this program back to no later than April 1965.)
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This I'll leave open to the floor- our Contestant D (once we consider changes in fashion, the passing of around a decade, and the fact that her vocal tone may differ due to the audience), or not?
She has an oddly shaped too-wide mouth that seems consistent throughout all the evidence. The black and white picture on my link is definitely the contestant, and it defies logic that there would be another Carol Corbett essentially the same work in NYC around the same time. I say it's her.
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Thank you, Matt! Looking forward to watching them. :D
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First, I want to publicly apologize to Curt Alliaume for so casually dismissing his notion that the host could possibly be Robert Earle. Turns out he was right on the money.
And now that a few of us have seen it, am I really going to be the first one to say...man, what a dumb idea for a TV show? Because man, what a dumb idea for a TV show. I agree with Kevin that it would be a decent idea as a board game, but (to me anyway), yelling at the screen over the ineptitude of players isn't the same as yelling right answers. This just seems like it would get really repetitive really fast.
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https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2884/pathfinder (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2884/pathfinder) is what you seek.
This would be almost interesting if done as a reward or immunity challenge, especially if the loved ones serve as Parcheesi pieces on the life-size game board.
That said I'm still really glad I participated.
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First, I want to publicly apologize to Curt Alliaume for so casually dismissing his notion that the host could possibly be Robert Earle. Turns out he was right on the money.
And now that a few of us have seen it, am I really going to be the first one to say...man, what a dumb idea for a TV show? Because man, what a dumb idea for a TV show. I agree with Kevin that it would be a decent idea as a board game, but (to me anyway), yelling at the screen over the ineptitude of players isn't the same as yelling right answers. This just seems like it would get really repetitive really fast.
We're thinking this was done about 1965 or so? If this had been done in 1955, it might have had a shot...Still, it's a interesting piece of GS history, and worth the money to me (Thanks for that little bonus too Matt)
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Man, it sounds like this find is already light years better than what BUZZR's Lost & Found will have to offer.
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We're thinking this was done about 1965 or so? If this had been done in 1955, it might have had a shot...
Would it, though? Even though there were fewer channels, viewers could have gone out to a movie, or read a book or listened to the radio. There's no there there.
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Like so many early game shows, it could be fun as a segment once or twice, but gets old really quickly. Makes me long for more Video Village, a seemingly very fun board game concept.
Thanks Matt for the effort and the bonus as well.
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I'm not surprised that it wasn't picked up for a series, but kudos to Matt for the effort.
By the way, whatever became of the What's Going On? part of the tape? Did it turn out that it was an episode that's circulating?
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And now that a few of us have seen it, am I really going to be the first one to say...man, what a dumb idea for a TV show? Because man, what a dumb idea for a TV show. I agree with Kevin that it would be a decent idea as a board game, but (to me anyway), yelling at the screen over the ineptitude of players isn't the same as yelling right answers. This just seems like it would get really repetitive really fast.
Especially since, if anything, this episode is less disastrous than it could have been- given incompetent-enough players, there's a very real chance of them failing to finish an entire game during an episode, and there's only so much bad play one can watch before it goes from "having fun with how bad the play is" to "really, really painful".
In all sincerity, thank you so very much for arranging for the transfer, and thank all of you who funded this- anything we can do to help the preservation of the genre is a positive thing, and I find the shows that don't work to be just as instructive as those that do.
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My post-3AM thoughts on both shows:
"Make Your Move": If I was a television viewer in 1965, I would have been impressed and even fascinated with the animated logo in the beginning of the show. The big issue I have with the "Make Your Move" is a complaint we've had about many shows in years past--rotational symmetry. I get the fairness aspect of having the same wall set-up every quarter rotation. It made for a less interesting game, IMO. If there was a mathematically fair, in terms of number of walls per 4x4 corner section of the grid, as well as having more randomness, I'd find the game a little more enjoyable and challenging. Silently selecting your move, like using a joystick and displaying the choice, wouldn't hurt either since it appeared contestants piggy-backed off of other contestants' choices a few times. Another big flaw: From what I could tell, the players in later positions, C and D, were at a disadvantage, especially D who never started a round.
The bonus show: Speaking of flaws, this had more flaws than a Mickey Mantle rookie card which was placed in some kid's bike spokes, then sent through the wash for good measure. Holy Flawed Scoring Format, Batman! There is Body Language bad, then Super Password bad. This tops both. Then there's the game play. In the end, there's a game there but it plods along and needs a ton of refining. Credit where credit's due--At least Mark Goodson was trying new formats, albeit not really good or creative ones, in the mid-to-late 80s like this, "On a Roll", and "TKO". (It's unfair to lump "TKO" with the other two; I really like "TKO".) And Christian's connection between the theme and the thinking music? Mind blown indeed.
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I think the bonus element looked to combine Match Game's fun and Super Password's puzzle and I like the germ in there, but it needed another spin.
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By the way, whatever became of the What's Going On? part of the tape? Did it turn out that it was an episode that's circulating?
As I said in another thread, my question about What's Going On was only "marginally related" to the issue of this film. Make Your Move was the only thing on this reel.
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I posted the link itself in the A/V subforum, but I've identified the theme song as "Murder She Says aka The Miss Marple Theme" by Ron Goodwin and His Orchestra, from the 1964 film "Murder Most Foul". I suppose that would further confirm the pilot's tape date as sometime in 64 or 65.
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Credit where credit's due--At least Mark Goodson was trying new formats, albeit not really good or creative ones, in the mid-to-late 80s like this, "On a Roll", and "TKO".
Technically speaking, this was an attempt to update the sixties obscurity Get The Message, using the "throw more celebrities at it" approach that had succeeded so spectacularly with Match Game.
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Technically speaking, this was an attempt to update the sixties obscurity Get The Message, using the "throw more celebrities at it" approach that had succeeded so spectacularly with Match Game.
I did get a "Get the Message" vibe, as well as sprinkles of "Match Game" and "Super Password", as Evil Travis mentioned earlier. There's just so much wrong with the game--the broken rules, the broken scoring format, the bonus round which causes the proceedings to screech to a halt while everybody lumbers to the end of the show. Points for the bonus round topic which could (and did) go several different ways, confusing the contestant.
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I did get a "Get the Message" vibe, as well as sprinkles of "Match Game" and "Super Password", as Evil Travis mentioned earlier. There's just so much wrong with the game--the broken rules, the broken scoring format, the bonus round which causes the proceedings to screech to a halt while everybody lumbers to the end of the show. Points for the bonus round topic which could (and did) go several different ways, confusing the contestant.
I thought we were trying to sidestep the name of the show, but now it's out of the bag. Anyway, what's broken in the scoring system or game rules where one player can get an advantage over the other? I agree that the scoring is profoundly stupid in that only that last round matters, but what didn't you like about the main game? I think the end game is fantastic but needed to move faster.
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I thought we were trying to sidestep the name of the show, but now it's out of the bag. Anyway, what's broken in the scoring system or game rules where one player can get an advantage over the other? I agree that the scoring is profoundly stupid in that only that last round matters, but what didn't you like about the main game? I think the end game is fantastic but needed to move faster.
Maybe it's due to the inequity in scoring, but I didn't like the person who started round 1 starting round 2 and really, does it matter when the third round is the only one that matters? Work out the scoring (Best 2 out of 3 for a flat $500, win in two matches and play for a double bonus round a la "Go"?) and the game improves drastically.
Like I said previously, there is a game there. It just needed a ton of fleshing out before making it to pilot stage.
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I agree with Mike that mechanics were the problem, but this was near the end of the period where even a lot of the G-T games that reached the air had scoring systems that were at best unimaginative and at worst flawed. Creatively, the company was running on fumes at this point. Their only fairly successful launch from here on would be their Concentration reboot.
Would it be a better game with only six celebrities? Were they hesitant to do that because it would resemble Match Game even more? The world will never know.
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Would it be a better game with only six celebrities? Were they hesitant to do that because it would resemble Match Game even more?
Probably; but also perhaps because 3 clue-givers per team increases the likelihood of matching answers cancelling each other out, leaving the player with very little help. (I might be wrong about that, probability-wise, but I don't think so.)
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I agree that it would make a fun board game or even an app, but on TV, as spread out as it was, it got to be like watching paint dry. Having players blindly call out "Up", "Down", "Left", "Right" gets old pretty quickly although the entire round of each player getting blocked in was good for a chuckle.
I did like the concept of being able to eliminate a player out of the round. If they could somehow see the board, it presents an interesting strategy, but otherwise it's just blind luck IMO.
The gameboard technology was pretty sweet.
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My Oddball observations, without spoiling anything.
The game was fun, but play-along ability is reduced with Jamie saying the keyword throughout the round. I'd switch it so that he says "Write down a clue that best fits this word..." That way, the viewer can look away from the screen as the clues are revealed.
As Mike mentioned, the scoring is very flawed. Being able to win off the final round alone never sits right with me.
I'd change the bonus round to where you get to choose up to four or five clues (in spite of the strange ones given). The catch: if there's a duplicate, you have to make your guess right then and there. Not a fan of the "lose everything" consequence, when the clues are supposed to help you out, and you could possibly lose without even possibly making a guess. There's blind luck (Beat the Devil/Dragon/Lightning), then there's this.
Is it just me, or did the theme sound like the $otC win cue when someone would win the Instant Cash?
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The gameboard technology was pretty sweet.
Mike and I assumed magnets while we were watching. He also noticed that there appeared to be a completely different set of A-D markers that lit up, depending on who had control of the treasure. When there was a win or a steal, there would always be a cutaway to something other than the board while they traded out the normal marker for the lit one.
/The Joker's Wild reboot will probably have a lot of "lit ones".
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Mike and I assumed magnets while we were watching. He also noticed that there appeared to be a completely different set of A-D markers that lit up, depending on who had control of the treasure. When there was a win or a steal, there would always be a cutaway to something other than the board while they traded out the normal marker for the lit one.
That makes more sense than what I thought. I imagined a donut shaped light-up marker that attached to the ABCD pucks.
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On Buzzerblog this week, I was lucky enough to interview Randy Economy, the winning contestant on the Oddball pilot (and lots more). Check it out!
http://www.buzzerblog.com/2017/08/31/tbt-randy-economy/
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On Buzzerblog this week, I was lucky enough to interview Randy Economy, the winning contestant on the Oddball pilot (and lots more).
This is so cool. What motivated me to send you guys Oddball in the first place was the fact that we had gotten SO excited about the unknown pilot and it turned out to be pretty dry. I knew the 70s and (especially) 80s are a real sweet spot to this crowd, so I thought this flawed but much more lively exercise would be a nice bonus.
For the record, lest some secretive collector feels I violated a sacred trust or something, I happen to own an original 3/4" U-matic tape of Oddball and did the transfer myself. So if you already had a copy of it (as I'm sure a few of you did), there's a pretty good chance you got it from me, even if you didn't realize it.
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Just got around to watching them both. Even though both pilots were pretty flawed, they were still incredibly fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing them, and glad I could play a part in the MYM transfer! :)
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Appreciate your thinking on that, Matt. There was just nothing there with Make Your Move, and ever since reading about Oddball in a book about Rich Dawson and Family Feud, I'd been curious about it. The game itself isn't all that bad. I have two or three board/party game projects that use the same "avoid matching" mechanics. But the action is faster, because you don't have a host trying to milk humor out of comments for the home and studio audience, plus no loss of momentum because of commercial breaks. The game idea is solid. Adding Oddball made the whole DVD package much more enjoyable. Thanks again.