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Title: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: JonSea31 on November 29, 2015, 09:02:30 AM
Does anybody know how the Tournament of Champions was played during the Winner's Board and Shopping era?

Based on David Downs' recent upload, among over four hours of different game shows uploaded in one shot, the International Tournament of Champions had the ultimate winner automatically win the big car, but I am uncertain if he had received any additional money as well.  It is believed it may have been from 1987, the final months of the Winner's Board era most likely.   Did the ToC winner in say, 1985 or 1986, win an expensive car plus some cash, and did 1985/1986 ToC players play the Winner's Board as usual until they ultimately won the tournament?  Could somebody please clarify?

A short video of the Tournament Shopping end game is on YouTube, and I think the ultimate winner would buy any variety of prizes, and maybe even add a $50,000 cash jackpot.  Could someone please clarify this also?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TLEberle on November 29, 2015, 06:14:08 PM
There was a tournament in 1983 where three flights of semi-finals were contested over a week and scores built to Friday. Whoever had the most money could go shopping (and was allowed to buy multiple prizes if they were able to, including turning $500 into $50,000.) The three winners came back for another week of Finals, where the eventual winner came within touching distance of $250,000. I don't recall his name or how he did in his original appearance.

Another Tournament had eighteen players in heat rounds, and the six winners battled in two semi-final rounds for a shot at the grand prize.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: SuperMatch93 on November 29, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
There was a tournament in 1983 where three flights of semi-finals were contested over a week and scores built to Friday. Whoever had the most money could go shopping (and was allowed to buy multiple prizes if they were able to, including turning $500 into $50,000.) The three winners came back for another week of Finals, where the eventual winner came within touching distance of $250,000. I don't recall his name or how he did in his original appearance.

Another Tournament had eighteen players in heat rounds, and the six winners battled in two semi-final rounds for a shot at the grand prize.

Mort Camens won the tournament, and was also the first contestant to win the lot, pre-cash jackpot (somewhere in the neighborhood of $95,000). His final total was $249,982.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TLEberle on November 29, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
So he won the equivalent of a Lot-sized prize between the semis and championship, and I don't know what the grand prize was.

Mort also won some money on Jeopardy and The Challengers as well.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TimK2003 on November 29, 2015, 10:50:58 PM
Since I never saw any of the syndicated episodes first run, and only a handful of syndies since, were there any big money winners from the syndicated years of $ale that won enough to qualify for a ToC?  And were syndie champs even eligible for the daytime tournament in the first place? 
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TLEberle on November 29, 2015, 10:53:34 PM
Since I never saw any of the syndicated episodes first run, and only a handful of syndies since, were there any big money winners from the syndicated years of $ale that won enough to qualify for a ToC?  And were syndie champs even eligible for the daytime tournament in the first place?
I think Linda Credit was a nighttime winner, and is seen in the 1988 tournament. Curtis Warren's $136k put him fifth among the nighttime winners that I know of (Tim, John, Helaine, Alice, Curtis), and the show wasn't renewed on GSN through the end of the syndicated series.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: PYLdude on November 29, 2015, 10:57:19 PM
Since I never saw any of the syndicated episodes first run, and only a handful of syndies since, were there any big money winners from the syndicated years of $ale that won enough to qualify for a ToC?  And were syndie champs even eligible for the daytime tournament in the first place?
I think Linda Credit was a nighttime winner, and is seen in the 1988 tournament. Curtis Warren's $136k put him fifth among the nighttime winners that I know of (Tim, John, Helaine, Alice, Curtis), and the show wasn't renewed on GSN through the end of the syndicated series.

Linda was champ in 1987, so that's daytime.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: PYLdude on November 29, 2015, 10:58:34 PM
Since I never saw any of the syndicated episodes first run, and only a handful of syndies since, were there any big money winners from the syndicated years of $ale that won enough to qualify for a ToC?  And were syndie champs even eligible for the daytime tournament in the first place? 

When they had that international TOC, the American qualifier was Tim Holleran so I'm guessing they did invite a few of them back (Alice Conkright was at least one other, I don't know for sure who else was asked back if anybody).
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TLEberle on November 29, 2015, 11:16:25 PM
Linda was champ in 1987, so that's daytime.
Thank you for the correction; I appreciate it.

Watching the 1988 tournament I see lots of big totals but don't know how people get there other than winning ten games and then refusing to gamble for the cash jackpot. How long had the Money Game been the bonus round rather than the Winner's Bored?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: PYLdude on November 29, 2015, 11:19:05 PM
Linda was champ in 1987, so that's daytime.
Thank you for the correction; I appreciate it.

Watching the 1988 tournament I see lots of big totals but don't know how people get there other than winning ten games and then refusing to gamble for the cash jackpot. How long had the Money Game been the bonus round rather than the Winner's Bored?

Couldn't have been very long, because they'd rolled out the WBMG just after Christmas and Don Morrow joined the show right after that.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: Strikerz04 on November 30, 2015, 12:15:19 AM
Since I never saw any of the syndicated episodes first run, and only a handful of syndies since, were there any big money winners from the syndicated years of $ale that won enough to qualify for a ToC?  And were syndie champs even eligible for the daytime tournament in the first place? 

When they had that international TOC, the American qualifier was Tim Holleran so I'm guessing they did invite a few of them back (Alice Conkright was at least one other, I don't know for sure who else was asked back if anybody).

IIRC, the US Heat Final, one of Holleran's challengers he played against was Bill Fogel (Class of 1984 champ, $61K).

I think the Syndie winners ended up going to the international championships.
The 1985 tournament (obviously) were all daytime winners.

My question is: were there any ToC's between the 1985 and 1988 sessions?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: PYLdude on November 30, 2015, 12:34:44 AM
Then the next question: how many of the syndie big winners actually came back?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: Dan88 on November 30, 2015, 03:00:37 PM
Curtis Warren's $136k put him fifth among the nighttime winners that I know of (Tim, John, Helaine, Alice, Curtis), and the show wasn't renewed on GSN through the end of the syndicated series.
There was also Lisa Munoz, who won $122k in late February/early March '86.

Couldn't have been very long, because they'd rolled out the WBMG just after Christmas and Don Morrow joined the show right after that.
That, and the WBMG here is the original "solve five puzzles in 25 seconds" version, which was cut down to 4-in-20 later in the year (exactly when, I'm not sure; definitely by early September).
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: PYLdude on November 30, 2015, 03:43:54 PM
Curtis Warren's $136k put him fifth among the nighttime winners that I know of (Tim, John, Helaine, Alice, Curtis), and the show wasn't renewed on GSN through the end of the syndicated series.
There was also Lisa Munoz, who won $122k in late February/early March '86.

And I think Helaine's total, by comparison, was less, wasn't it? Because she didn't hit the jackpot for a relatively big amount like Tim, Alice, and John did (it was I think $61k).

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Couldn't have been very long, because they'd rolled out the WBMG just after Christmas and Don Morrow joined the show right after that.
That, and the WBMG here is the original "solve five puzzles in 25 seconds" version, which was cut down to 4-in-20 later in the year (exactly when, I'm not sure; definitely by early September).

Earlier than that. Rani White won her $50k with the 4 in 20 so it was at least present in May.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TLEberle on November 30, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
And I think Helaine's total, by comparison, was less, wasn't it? Because she didn't hit the jackpot for a relatively big amount like Tim, Alice, and John did (it was I think $61k).
Helaine won $142,900; $64k jackpot. Alice won $141,400; $77k jackpot. Helaine spent up and won lots from the Fame Game board--Helaine's backroom bonanza was about $6,000 less than Alice's.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: JonSea31 on November 30, 2015, 05:19:19 PM
Couldn't have been very long, because they'd rolled out the WBMG just after Christmas and Don Morrow joined the show right after that.

If I were to hazard a guess, that 1988 tournament may have aired in February 1988, and it would make sense to air it then, since major ratings events happen during February sweeps.

I got my answer for the 1983 tournament, so all I need is to find out what happened in a ToC during the Winner's Board era.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: PYLdude on November 30, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
And I think Helaine's total, by comparison, was less, wasn't it? Because she didn't hit the jackpot for a relatively big amount like Tim, Alice, and John did (it was I think $61k).
Helaine won $142,900; $64k jackpot. Alice won $141,400; $77k jackpot. Helaine spent up and won lots from the Fame Game board--Helaine's backroom bonanza was about $6,000 less than Alice's.

Well, I shall stand corrected then. :)

I always thought it was cool, though, that someone from my area won big.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: JonSea31 on November 30, 2015, 07:30:35 PM
Here is a montage of clips of big winners from $ale of the Century, and brief footage of Mort Camens' massive tournament win is seen towards the end of the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kytan77xnac

If my math is correct, after having confirmed that Mort Camens won the $95,000 lot plus most likely other prizes during his run, and assuming that he bought the $50,000 cash prize for $510 in the semi-finals, and for him to have won a grand total of almost $250,000 at the end of the tournament, I would assume that a sportscar (supposedly worth about $50,000) plus $50,000 for winning the finals made up the remainder of his nearly $250,000 in loot.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: DJDustman on December 01, 2015, 03:45:58 AM
The 1985 tournament had 18 players, and all played against each other until there were two players left. The two remaining players played a best 2 outta 3. Whoever won the tournament won a $25,000 Porsche and a $25,000 cash jackpot. This was a mix of Winner's Board and Shopping champs from 1984.

The 1987 International Invitational had champs from syndication and various winners from 1984 to 1986.

All the champions participating in the 1988 tournament, were all 1987 Winner's Board grand champions. They all have never played the Winner's Big Money Game, as Jim mentions in one of the semi-finals.


Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: JonSea31 on December 01, 2015, 05:27:42 AM
Thanks, DJDustman.  I have other questions regarding the tournaments:  On what dates (or months) did these tournaments occur during 1983 to 1988?

Also, was the Winner's Board played during the semi-finals and/or finals during the 1985 and/or 1987 tournaments (except for the episode where the ultimate winner was declared)?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: dale_grass on December 01, 2015, 07:19:02 PM
More importantly Jon, during that period in some areas (maybe none) Sale and The People's Court were constantly jockeying for the same time slot.  Do you know what time Wapner was on?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: Thunder on December 02, 2015, 01:44:51 AM
...$25,000 Porsche...

Sigh. We looked at one last month and it was $51,000.

/No sale.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TLEberle on December 02, 2015, 01:49:04 AM
Sigh. We looked at one last month and it was $51,000.

/No sale.
Since we're throwing numbers around, at what price would you have bought?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: Thunder on December 02, 2015, 02:37:47 AM
Probably not at any price, honestly. The wife has a Mercedes AMG SLK32 but it's starting to finally have problems. The heated seats are failing, the retractable hardtop is starting to leak, we've replaced the Bose stereo and last month, the serpentine belt snapped.

Neither of us want to let it go, but we know it's just going downhill. We love a high-performance car, but the lowest-end Porsche didn't have enough features to sway us. We had to get to the $70K range to get what we wanted. It's hard for us to justify that kind of money right now.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: PYLdude on December 02, 2015, 04:37:06 AM
Probably not at any price, honestly. The wife has a Mercedes AMG SLK32 but it's starting to finally have problems. The heated seats are failing, the retractable hardtop is starting to leak, we've replaced the Bose stereo and last month, the serpentine belt snapped.

Neither of us want to let it go, but we know it's just going downhill. We love a high-performance car, but the lowest-end Porsche didn't have enough features to sway us. We had to get to the $70K range to get what we wanted. It's hard for us to justify that kind of money right now.

If it's of any consequence, a coworker of mine had a BMW SUV (the model of which escapes me) that he finally had to get rid of because it was starting to go sour on him. When he went to the dealer for a replacement, he found himself in the same predicament- price was definitely an issue when it came to getting what he was looking for. And this guy was a Beemer guy, too. Had a few before the SUV. So he shopped around and found what he was needing in a Kia Sorento.

I don't know how keen you and the wife would be on trading down, but I figured I would pass that along.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: JonSea31 on December 05, 2015, 09:50:33 AM
I do remember watching the finale of the International Invitational Tournament last weekend, and if memory serves correctly, the ultimate winner was from Australia, and Jim Perry mentioned something about having won prizes on the Winner's Board previously (I would presume he did during the semi-finals and likely his first game in the finals).

That taken into consideration, i believe that 1987 Winner's Board Era tournament most likely had contestants playing the Winner's Board once during the semi-finals, and another one time when he/she won his/her first game in the finals.

But i'd like to ask, we're there more than nine contestants overall in the International Invitational Tournament?  The only contestants who represented the U.S. we know about are Tim Holleran and Alice Conkwright, both from the syndicated run.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: J.R. on December 06, 2015, 11:45:57 PM
That, and the WBMG here is the original "solve five puzzles in 25 seconds" version, which was cut down to 4-in-20 later in the year (exactly when, I'm not sure; definitely by early September).
Out of curiosity: Did anyone ever stumble on a WBMG puzzle and still went on to win?
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: TLEberle on December 06, 2015, 11:48:22 PM
Out of curiosity: Did anyone ever stumble on a WBMG puzzle and still went on to win?
I think I'd remember seeing that and being floored by the comeback, so from the sample size I've seen, no.
Title: Re: $ale of the Century: Question about Tournaments
Post by: J.R. on December 06, 2015, 11:51:04 PM
I think I'd remember seeing that and being floored by the comeback, so from the sample size I've seen, no.
That's what I suspected. Thanks!