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Title: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TimK2003 on November 22, 2014, 06:43:03 PM
I was watching a bit of Bullseye the past couple of days, and seeing that Barry & Enright's "Big 3" shows of the day all premiered in different years in syndication, this musing came up:

How did the 3 B&E offerings (Joker's Wild, Tic Tac Dough and Bullseye) play out in your local market when all 3 were available for syndication in the early 80s?  And in the same vein as a recent thread about which show aired first in the pre-prime hour (J! vs. Wheel), if a station had back-to-back B&E shows in the same hour, which aired first?

In Cleveland, TJW was on WJ(K)W Channel 8 at 7PM, and TTD was on WEWS Channel 5 at 7:30. I want to say that WEWS later acquired Joker near the end of its run (?) and it remained TJW/TTD in the 7PM hour, but my mind is hazy on that.  Bullseye never aired in Cleveland so it was never a factor.

Others?

Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: SuperMatch93 on November 22, 2014, 06:59:28 PM
In Chicago,  TJW and TTD aired at varying times during the 7pm and 8pm hours, as did Play the Percentages. Bullseye never aired in Chicago.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: ChrisLambert! on November 22, 2014, 07:00:35 PM
I hereby make a motion that there was in fact no B&E "Big 3".
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: snowpeck on November 22, 2014, 07:24:39 PM
I find it difficult to lump in Bullseye with the other two, considering it only ran two seasons (compared to TJW's nine and TTD's eight.)
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TLEberle on November 22, 2014, 07:45:07 PM
I hereby make a motion that there was in fact no B&E "Big 3".
Vigorous co-sign.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TimK2003 on November 22, 2014, 07:46:07 PM
I find it difficult to lump in Bullseye with the other two, considering it only ran two seasons (compared to TJW's nine and TTD's eight.)

Bullseye may not have been as strong as Joker and Tic Tac, but it was their (distant) 3rd most successful 5-a-week offering in syndication - lasting more than 1 season.  And it seemed to have been scheduled moreso in the early evening hours.  I was more curious to see if Bullseye was paired with any of B&Es other shows back to back and/or if TJW and TTD was paired up on many stations back then.  There were still many daily & weekly game shows that aired in the eafly evening back then. 



Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: That Don Guy on November 22, 2014, 08:58:43 PM
In San Francisco, KBHK (now KBCW) aired TJW at 7:00 and TTD at 7:30.  (For a large chunk of the 1970s, this was the "Hogan's Heroes Hour" on that station.)  I don't remember syndicated Bullseye airing in the area at all.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Johnissoevil on November 22, 2014, 10:10:20 PM
NYC market:
TJW: 6:30pm on WOR-TV from September 1977-1979, 6PM on WOR from 1979-1981, 4pm on WCBS from September-November 1981, 9:30am on WCBS from November 1981-September 1984, 2pm on WOR from September 1984-September 1985, 1pm on WOR from September 1985-September 1986.  Reruns of the final CBS season aired on WOR from September 1976-September 1977, if you want to count that.
TTD: 8pm on WPIX from September 1978-September 1979, 6:30pm on WOR from September 1979-September 1981, 11am on WOR from September 1981-August 1983, 9am on WCBS from August 1983-September 1984, 2:30pm on WOR from September 1984-September 1985, 1:30pm from September 1985-September 1986.
Bullseye: 7pm on WOR from September 1980-September 1981, 11:30am on WOR from September 1981-September 1982.

Philadelphia:
TJW: 6:30pm on WTAF from September 1977-September 1979, 6pm on WKBS from April 1982-September 1982, 11am on WPVI from September 1982-September 1985, a second episode would air on WPVI at 7:30pm throughout the summer of 1983.
TTD: 7pm on WPVI from September 1978-September 1985, 9:00am on WCAU from March 1986-September 1986.
Bullseye: 6:30pm on WKBS from April 1982-September 1982.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: BrandonFG on November 23, 2014, 12:43:08 AM
From what I remember seeing on microfiche of the era, TJW aired at 9 am on WAVY, and Bullseye followed at 9:30*. I know WAVY had TTD in its first and/or second season, but by 1980, I believed it moved to WTKR at 7:30 pm, after Family Feud.

I don't think Bullseye aired here its second season; Joker was airing at 7:30 on WAVY by that point. Tic Tac was definitely on WTKR by then, competing with its sister show, in fact!

*I might have that backwards.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on November 23, 2014, 01:00:28 AM
Bullseye may not have been as strong as Joker and Tic Tac, but it was their (distant) 3rd most successful 5-a-week offering in syndication - lasting more than 1 season.

So because it was marginally less unsuccessful than some of the company's other shows, that merits lumping it in with TJW and TTD?

You need to come up with a new argument.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: PYLdude on November 23, 2014, 01:35:36 AM
Bullseye may not have been as strong as Joker and Tic Tac, but it was their (distant) 3rd most successful 5-a-week offering in syndication - lasting more than 1 season.

So because it was marginally less unsuccessful than some of the company's other shows, that merits lumping it in with TJW and TTD?

You need to come up with a new argument.

Outside of Joker and Tic Tac Dough, how many of B&E's shows WERE successful, post-rigging? I don't believe any of them made it beyond 2 seasons as it was, and I might argue Bullseye and Celeb Bullseye could be considered separate programs if I was that nitpicky.

I mean, look at it. Break the Bank, ends in daytime after fifteen weeks in spite of itself, syndicated series is a bust. Blank Check, bust. Hollywood's Talking, 65 and out. Hollywood Connection, one season. Play the Percentages, half season wonder.

If you really consider it, B&E and Grundy were given a lot more credit than they perhaps deserved. Two hits and a lotta misses.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TLEberle on November 23, 2014, 01:42:38 AM
If you really consider it, B&E and Grundy were given a lot more credit than they perhaps deserved. Two hits and a lotta misses.
But the hits were enormous, and would add to their "slugging" percentage. And we could add Concentration to their lineup as well.

I'm curious to see your statistics as they pertain to Grundy's. I think Scrable and Sale of the Century would go a long way to excuse Time Machine and Hot Streak. (And I'd say that both ideas could have been fleshed out; one needed a better host and the other needed more time to grow.)
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on November 23, 2014, 01:45:26 AM
You can add the dreadful Small Talk to that list.  If you want to count pilots it seems quite a few couldn't even make it past that stage.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: BrandonFG on November 23, 2014, 01:47:12 AM
Not to mention several of B&E's shows were a spin on popular shows of the era.

I remember when Merv Griffin's Crosswords premiered (or the summer prior), there was a discussion about Merv's legacy and resume. He had his obvious two big hits, but a bunch of misses to go with it. Of course, Crosswords joined that list, perpetual reruns be damned. :-P

Seems like the same goes for B&E. You had two shows that ran for close to a decade in the 70s and 80s, became a part of pop culture and are fondly remembered to this day. But Chris may be on to something. That said, there's a publicity still in the original EOTVGS with Jack, Wink and Jim from 1980, which could lead one to believe Joker, Tic Tac and Bullseye were, in a way, the Big Three.

/Or at least Big Two-and-a-Half
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TLEberle on November 23, 2014, 01:48:30 AM
You can add the dreadful Small Talk to that list. 
You absolutely could; good catch. As laughable as the prize money was, I'm not sure offering $5,000 for winning the bonus game would have done anything; the game was still a snooze from opening to credits.

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If you want to count pilots it seems quite a few couldn't even make it past that stage.
I don't see why; lots of pilots don't make it to air due to reasons other than the game being good. For me personally, Matchmates was a great idea that didn't make it to air; that would wipe out two or three of their misses.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: PYLdude on November 23, 2014, 02:17:31 AM
Matchmates certainly could've worked, I believe. I had one or two things I didn't like about the pilot but it certainly was an inoffensive little shindig and could've been interesting to see.

As far as the B&E dossier was concerned, I think Concentration is a coin-flip; the show started as a B&E concept and Barry hosted, but once NBC bought him out he and Enright had no control over what it became afterward.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Mike Tennant on November 23, 2014, 10:01:35 AM
I think H-Q was in much the same situation: one massive hit (Squares) with a few minor hits (Gambit, High Rollers) and many misses. Bob Stewart Productions, likewise, had Pyramid for its big hit, plus minor hits like Eye Guess and Jackpot!, and a bunch of misses. There really was only one game show packager capable of turning out hit after hit (though still with plenty of misses): G-T.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: jjman920 on November 23, 2014, 10:46:09 AM
I think H-Q was in much the same situation: one massive hit (Squares) with a few minor hits (Gambit, High Rollers) and many misses. Bob Stewart Productions, likewise, had Pyramid for its big hit, plus minor hits like Eye Guess and Jackpot!, and a bunch of misses. There really was only one game show packager capable of turning out hit after hit (though still with plenty of misses): G-T.
I think that's pretty much the point. G-T were one of the ones who were able to pump out just as many hits as misses. Take a look that the period of GSN when they lost the rights to almost the entire G-T library. How many of those shows on the schedule lasted longer than one/two seasons?

Although, now that I think about it, how about Chuck Barris? He had three massive hits, four if you count Treasure Hunt. While it wasn't as big as TDG, TNG, and TGS in my eyes, it lasted four years its first time out.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: MikeK on November 23, 2014, 11:38:13 AM
Although, now that I think about it, how about Chuck Barris? He had three massive hits, four if you count Treasure Hunt. While it wasn't as big as TDG, TNG, and TGS in my eyes, it lasted four years its first time out.
I was thinking about this earlier this morning.  As much as we poo-poo on Barris, he had four shows which ran for at least 4 years.  He had some stinkers (The Game Game, 3's a Crowd, Camouflage), but it seems his ratio of hits to duds is 2nd or 3rd best of any non-current production company, mainly referring to Endemol.

From a friend to the forum, here is Cleveland's broadcast history with some edits by me:

TJW 7:30-8:00pm Sept 77-Sept 78 on CBS affiliate TV-8
TJW 7-7:30pm Sept 78-Sept 81 on TV-8
TJW 7:30-8pm Spring 83-Sept 84 on TV-5
TJW on TV-55 from Dec 85 to at least Mar 87 at 11 PM to start, then at 6 PM with TTD until Sep 86, then to 10 AM when Crosswits premiered. 
TTD on TV-5 from 7:30-8pm Jan 79-Sep 81
TTD on TV-3 from 1983-84 (airing first at 7pm and then moved to 1:30am)
TTD on TV-55 from Dec 85 to at least Mar 87, at 6:30 PM with TJW to start, but it was seen at 11 PM during this time period.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Jamey Greek on November 23, 2014, 03:29:43 PM
Bullseye may not have been as strong as Joker and Tic Tac, but it was their (distant) 3rd most successful 5-a-week offering in syndication - lasting more than 1 season.

So because it was marginally less unsuccessful than some of the company's other shows, that merits lumping it in with TJW and TTD?

You need to come up with a new argument.

Outside of Joker and Tic Tac Dough, how many of B&E's shows WERE successful, post-rigging? I don't believe any of them made it beyond 2 seasons as it was, and I might argue Bullseye and Celeb Bullseye could be considered separate programs if I was that nitpicky.

I mean, look at it. Break the Bank, ends in daytime after fifteen weeks in spite of itself, syndicated series is a bust. Blank Check, bust. Hollywood's Talking, 65 and out. Hollywood Connection, one season. Play the Percentages, half season wonder.

If you really consider it, B&E and Grundy were given a lot more credit than they perhaps deserved. Two hits and a lotta misses.

So did Merv Griffin
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TLEberle on November 23, 2014, 03:55:52 PM
So what about Merv, Jamey?
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: BrandonFG on November 23, 2014, 04:08:29 PM
So what about Merv, Jamey?
See my post on the prior page.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TLEberle on November 23, 2014, 04:11:09 PM
To which I'd say that Wheel and Jeopardy go a long way to wiping out the stains of Ruckus, Monopoly and Let's Play Post Office.

/Pobody's Nerfect, y'know.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: PYLdude on November 23, 2014, 06:30:19 PM
Yeah,.the argument you make with Merv is that his best stuff still has staying power. Wheel has been on the air in some form for almost 40 consecutive years, Jeopardy for 41 of the last 50. And even his misses seemed to have a little redeeming value, in most cases (Ruckus aside).

Barry and Enright, not so much.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: The Ol' Guy on November 23, 2014, 07:20:52 PM
I have some Broadcasting Magazine ads in the files somewhere - a three or four-page spread from Colbert Sales with Joker, Dough and Bullseye pushed as a "big 3" (which, at the time, was correct). They had photos of Jack, Wink, and Jim standing back-to-back, pushing the markets where two of the three shows were paired, and a couple of markets where all three ran together. Bullseye had just completed it's first season. In in ratio of duds to hits. Barry & Enright also flopped on Back That Fact, You're On Your Own, High-Low, Hold Everything, Way Out Games and All About The Opposite Sex. Griffin also tanked with One In A Million, Joe Garagiola's Memory Game, and Reach For The Stars. All forgettable.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: BrandonFG on November 23, 2014, 07:46:21 PM
I remember that ad...wasn't there something mentioning Soap World as "coming soon"?
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: TLEberle on November 23, 2014, 09:34:34 PM
What's the larger point being made here? That most production companies had a couple of big hits and a string of misses? I think I'd be willing to take that as written.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Johnissoevil on November 24, 2014, 01:35:14 AM
The only reason Kennedy Break the Bank didn't last was because of ABC's desire to expand their sudsters.  Shame too, despite it being a copy of an established format, it was still decent.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: PYLdude on November 24, 2014, 03:17:20 AM
The only reason Kennedy Break the Bank didn't last was because of ABC's desire to expand their sudsters.  Shame too, despite it being a copy of an established format, it was still decent.

Well, something had to go...last in, first out.

Although I think it was pretty odd for a daytime program of any kind to last forty-five minutes.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: aaron sica on November 24, 2014, 07:57:17 AM
Although I think it was pretty odd for a daytime program of any kind to last forty-five minutes.

Definitely...But I believe it was more of a desperation move on ABC's part....Not so much for the competition on CBS (3:15 cut halfway into reruns of "All in The Family"), but more of an attack on "Another World")....


Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: aaron sica on November 24, 2014, 01:51:15 PM
WHP (CBS in Harrisburg PA), ran Bullseye for a very short time in either 1980, 1981 (or both) at 4pm, with TTD running later on at 7, and JW at 7:30.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: johnnya2k3 on November 24, 2014, 04:36:35 PM
Barry & Enright also flopped with Pictionary '89, TTD '90 (of course!), and a couple other non-game shows they did in the early '80s.

Goodson-Todman missed the mark on That's My Line! (CBS' answer to Real People/That's Incredible) and The Don Rickles Show, while Hatos-Hall had bombs with Masquerade Party, It's Anybody's Guess, LMAD '80 (which got limited syndication clearance in the U.S.), and Split Second '86.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: jimlangefan on November 24, 2014, 05:03:22 PM
Barry & Enright also flopped with Pictionary '89, TTD '90 (of course!), and a couple other non-game shows they did in the early '80s.

Goodson-Todman missed the mark on That's My Line! (CBS' answer to Real People/That's Incredible) and The Don Rickles Show, while Hatos-Hall had bombs with Masquerade Party, It's Anybody's Guess, LMAD '80 (which got limited syndication clearance in the U.S.), and Split Second '86.

I wouldn't say LMAD '80 bombed. It actually isn't due to the ratings of why it was canceled.  There actually was supposed to be a second season, but the financial problems with Catalena Productions in which over $250K in checks bounced was the major factor in LMAD '80s cancellation.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Bryce L. on November 24, 2014, 06:01:10 PM
Barry & Enright also flopped with Pictionary '89, TTD '90 (of course!), and a couple other non-game shows they did in the early '80s.

Goodson-Todman missed the mark on That's My Line! (CBS' answer to Real People/That's Incredible) and The Don Rickles Show, while Hatos-Hall had bombs with Masquerade Party, It's Anybody's Guess, LMAD '80 (which got limited syndication clearance in the U.S.), and Split Second '86.

I wouldn't say LMAD '80 bombed. It actually isn't due to the ratings of why it was canceled.  There actually was supposed to be a second season, but the financial problems with Catalena Productions in which over $250K in checks bounced, was what the major factor in LMAD '80s cancellation.
Weren't they (Catalena Productions) the same company tied to the Pitfall debacle?
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: SuperMatch93 on November 24, 2014, 06:04:47 PM
Barry & Enright also flopped with Pictionary '89, TTD '90 (of course!), and a couple other non-game shows they did in the early '80s.

Goodson-Todman missed the mark on That's My Line! (CBS' answer to Real People/That's Incredible) and The Don Rickles Show, while Hatos-Hall had bombs with Masquerade Party, It's Anybody's Guess, LMAD '80 (which got limited syndication clearance in the U.S.), and Split Second '86.

I wouldn't say LMAD '80 bombed. It actually isn't due to the ratings of why it was canceled.  There actually was supposed to be a second season, but the financial problems with Catalena Productions in which over $250K in checks bounced, was what the major factor in LMAD '80s cancellation.
Weren't they (Catalena Productions) the same company tied to the Pitfall debacle?

Correct.

While Trebek was stiffed for his check, did Hall suffer the same fate for LMAD '80?
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: jimlangefan on November 24, 2014, 06:26:26 PM
Barry & Enright also flopped with Pictionary '89, TTD '90 (of course!), and a couple other non-game shows they did in the early '80s.

Goodson-Todman missed the mark on That's My Line! (CBS' answer to Real People/That's Incredible) and The Don Rickles Show, while Hatos-Hall had bombs with Masquerade Party, It's Anybody's Guess, LMAD '80 (which got limited syndication clearance in the U.S.), and Split Second '86.

I wouldn't say LMAD '80 bombed. It actually isn't due to the ratings of why it was canceled.  There actually was supposed to be a second season, but the financial problems with Catalena Productions in which over $250K in checks bounced, was what the major factor in LMAD '80s cancellation.
Weren't they (Catalena Productions) the same company tied to the Pitfall debacle?

Correct.

While Trebek was stiffed for his check, did Hall suffer the same fate for LMAD '80?

I will have to check again, but to my knowledge Hall did not suffer the same fate. 
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Johnissoevil on November 24, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
While Trebek was stiffed for his check, did Hall suffer the same fate for LMAD '80?

I don't think Catalina was responsible for paying when it came to LMAD 80, they were just the syndicator in this case.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: cbs09041972 on November 25, 2014, 12:17:41 AM
In B&E's own hometown LA market -

KHJ-TV (now KCAL) Ch. 9, starting 9-29-80

6:00 Tic Tac Dough
6:30 Bullseye
7:00 The Joker's Wild
7:30 Face the Music

On 4-20-81, TJW and B switched timeslots. 

On 9-21-81, TJW and TTD moved to KCOP Ch. 13 (where they were produced) on 7:00 and 7:30 respectively.

Channel 9's new schedule that day was as follows:

6:00 Treasure Hunt
6:30 Bullseye
7:00 Match Game
7:30 You Asked For It (w/ Rich Little)
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: johnnya2k3 on November 25, 2014, 02:00:54 AM
And when TJW and TTD briefly returned in 1990 (now produced at different studios), guess who aired them in L.A.? That's right...KCOP!!!

BTW, the original runs were never seen in Alaska until 1983-84, when KTBY in Anchorage -- which just signed on -- aired them; as for Bullseye? The CBN/USA Network reruns would be new to them.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Winkfan on November 25, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
In B&E's own hometown LA market
6:00 Treasure Hunt
6:30 Bullseye
7:00 Match Game
7:30 You Asked For It (w/ Rich Little)

Actually, it was the other way around during the 7-8:00pm hour.

Cordially,
Tammy
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Ian Wallis on November 29, 2014, 03:06:48 PM
Break the Bank, ends in daytime after fifteen weeks in spite of itself, syndicated series is a bust. Blank Check, bust. Hollywood's Talking, 65 and out. Hollywood Connection, one season. Play the Percentages, half season wonder.

If you really consider it, B&E and Grundy were given a lot more credit than they perhaps deserved. Two hits and a lotta misses.

Break the Bank was one of those shows that actually was a hit, but due to circumstances never really got a fair chance.  The daytime version may have lasted only 15 weeks, but ratings show it was strong for all of those weeks.  I know in the past it was thought that maybe it started strong and then faded, but a while back (I think it was Jimmy) produced some ratings for June-July1976 and it was still in the top three.  It was only cancelled because Fred Silverman was more interested in lengthening soap operas.  The syndicated version didn't continue because Jack was more interested in reviving The Joker's Wild in fall 1977 instead.  I believe it got middling ratings.  There's no way of knowing but I'd bet Break the Bank could have had at least a year-or-two run.  It's one of those gems that most of us look back on fondly today.

Joker and Tic Tac were seen in the early evening hours in our area, while Bullseye was on at noon.  I think Bullseye wasn't equal to the sum of its parts.  It had a great set and great theme music, but somehow couldn't quite live up to its surroundings.  Plus, to me there's a flaw in the game that I don't recall us discussing that much - let's supposed you get two contestants who don't know much about a category and it turns out to be a long contract (4 or 5 questions), it's feasible you could be stuck on it for several days before it was completed.  I don't recall there being an "out" if both contestants kept missing.

Plus, many have said it was just the typical Barry-Enright quizzer wrapped up in a different package.  Still, it's neat to watch once in a while.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: Thunder on November 29, 2014, 04:13:49 PM

... Plus, to me there's a flaw in the game that I don't recall us discussing that much - let's supposed you get two contestants who don't know much about a category and it turns out to be a long contract (4 or 5 questions), it's feasible you could be stuck on it for several days before it was completed.  I don't recall there being an "out" if both contestants kept missing.


Even my idiot golden retriever could get 1 out every 3 Barry/Enright questions correct.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: PYLdude on November 29, 2014, 06:14:28 PM

... Plus, to me there's a flaw in the game that I don't recall us discussing that much - let's supposed you get two contestants who don't know much about a category and it turns out to be a long contract (4 or 5 questions), it's feasible you could be stuck on it for several days before it was completed.  I don't recall there being an "out" if both contestants kept missing.


Even my idiot golden retriever could get 1 out every 3 Barry/Enright questions correct.

Yeah, I gotta go with that assessment. If there's one thing B&E shows were known for, relatively gettable questions would be my choice.

The silver to low stakes, the bronze to bonus round villains.
Title: Re: The B&E Syndicated Trio Of The Early 80's.
Post by: JMFabiano on December 13, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
NYC market:
TJW: 6:30pm on WOR-TV from September 1977-1979, 6PM on WOR from 1979-1981, 4pm on WCBS from September-November 1981, 9:30am on WCBS from November 1981-September 1984, 2pm on WOR from September 1984-September 1985, 1pm on WOR from September 1985-September 1986.  Reruns of the final CBS season aired on WOR from September 1976-September 1977, if you want to count that.
TTD: 8pm on WPIX from September 1978-September 1979, 6:30pm on WOR from September 1979-September 1981, 11am on WOR from September 1981-August 1983, 9am on WCBS from August 1983-September 1984, 2:30pm on WOR from September 1984-September 1985, 1:30pm from September 1985-September 1986.
Bullseye: 7pm on WOR from September 1980-September 1981, 11:30am on WOR from September 1981-September 1982.

Philadelphia:
TJW: 6:30pm on WTAF from September 1977-September 1979, 6pm on WKBS from April 1982-September 1982, 11am on WPVI from September 1982-September 1985, a second episode would air on WPVI at 7:30pm throughout the summer of 1983.
TTD: 7pm on WPVI from September 1978-September 1985, 9:00am on WCAU from March 1986-September 1986.
Bullseye: 6:30pm on WKBS from April 1982-September 1982.

I knew I remembered Joker being on WPVI, as most of my memories of the last couple of Barry seasons (audience game) were from seeing them through a snowy picture on WPVI, as I got NY and PA stations when I lived in Howell, NJ.  (I had to get a handheld poker slot machine one of my friends had because I was such a fan of TJW...no I never got it...)   

Veering towards OT...How did I miss Joker and Tic Tac on WCBS?  I know, there was a little thing called school, but when I was home due to vacation or sickness I'd gravitate towards most GS airings.  Was Romper Room on WOR in the 9 am hour?  That would explain a lot.  Then again, given the availability of PA channels, I may have just came to choose KYW for Card Sharks reruns, and didn't know about them being on WABC as well. 

How do you suppose PIX got the first season of Tic Tac instead of having it join Joker on WOR, which to me was always the "Barry-Enright Station."  Guess I am learning differently about that now, and also how WOR wasn't solely New York's game show channel as I remembered it.  I never remembered WPIX being big on games, nor WNEW/WNYW. 

As a sidenote, the aforementioned All-New You Asked for It w/Rich Little did join the B-E shows on WOR when it was airing.