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Title: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: LetsGoYankees on September 14, 2014, 08:51:48 AM
Skin Wars gone and some shifts in the pre-1990's lineup

Advanced schedule: https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/c4ef1a96-0aca-4d63-9d35-81cea44a1b01

Breakdown:

Weekday changes:
*Card Sharks and Press Your Luck will air weekdays at 9am and 9:30am; replacing Blockbusters and Whammy! This change excludes Thursdays, where Blockbusters will remain for the 9am hour.
*Idiotest will rerun Fridays at 3pm and 3:30pm; replacing Steve Harvey's Family Feud [Idiotest also continues to rerun Tuesdays at 5pm and 5:30pm]

Primetime changes:
*Idiotest will air Wednesdays at 8pm and 8:30pm; replacing Skin Wars
*Steve Harvey's Family Feud will air Wednesdays from 9pm to 11pm; replacing Skin Wars and Idiotest.
*Idiotest will air Wednesdays at 11pm and 11:30pm; replacing Steve Harvey's Family Feud
*Steve Harvey's Family Feud will air Fridays at 10pm and 10:30pm ET; replacing The Newlywed Game. The Newlywed Game will still air from 8-10pm Fridays.
*The Chase will air Saturdays at 8pm (and 9pm still); replacing Skin Wars
*Let's Ask America will air Sunday nights from 7-9pm; replacing Skin Wars and Baggage

Weekend changes:
*Super Password and Blockbusters will air Saturday and Sunday mornings at 9am and 9:30am; replacing Password Plus and Press Your Luck.
*Idiotest will air Saturdays at 3pm and 3:30pm; replacing Skin Wars.
*Minute to Win It (Ohno) will air Sundays at 1pm; replacing Skin Wars.

All Times Eastern

http://gameshownetworknews.blogspot.com/2014/09/major-schedule-changes-starting.html
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on September 14, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
Skin Wars is doing THAT bad??
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 14, 2014, 10:45:04 PM
Who here thought it would do well?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 14, 2014, 10:47:46 PM
Obviously Lego Yank failed to learn the lesson he was taught last night.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on September 14, 2014, 10:55:13 PM
Does anyone know which version of CS it will be? Perry, Eubanks or Rafferty?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 14, 2014, 10:57:44 PM
Does anyone know which version of CS it will be? Perry, Eubanks or Rafferty?

Ugly Dave Gray.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 14, 2014, 10:59:40 PM
Does anyone know which version of CS it will be? Perry, Eubanks or Rafferty?

Bullard.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on September 14, 2014, 11:02:42 PM
YOOOOUUU WIIII--oh that Pat WAYNE...carry on
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Thunder on September 14, 2014, 11:57:04 PM
Who here thought it would do well?

That would be me. And what Mr. Yankees didn't say is that Skin Wars is still in its regular 9PM Wednesday timeslot. GSN isn't doing the repeat of the previous week's episode from 8PM to 9PM anymore. I'm good friends with the creative consultants who worked with the producers. The producers are coming back to the bodypainting championships in North Carolina next month to look for new contestants for a 2nd season.

(http://i.imgur.com/RlwUTQr.jpg)
(L-R) LivingArt America's Scott Fray & Madelyn Greco and model Brandy Valentine at the week #3 screening party.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: ChrisLambert! on September 15, 2014, 08:11:20 AM
Skin Wars ends its first cycle on 9/24 anyway, if my math is right.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Johnissoevil on September 15, 2014, 01:06:47 PM
So Whammy! is out, the real PYL is back in.  I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Winkfan on September 15, 2014, 02:43:45 PM
Weekday changes:
*Card Sharks and Press Your Luck will air weekdays at 9am and 9:30am; replacing Blockbusters and Whammy! This change excludes Thursdays, where Blockbusters will remain for the 9am hour

Just saw the schedule; looks like we're "without a net" as far as CS is concerned.

Quote
Weekend changes:
*Super Password and Blockbusters will air Saturday and Sunday mornings at 9am and 9:30am; replacing Password Plus and Press Your Luck.

Too bad for us PW+ fans.

I hope they also extend the MG '7X lease to include the remainder of the run.

Cordially,
Tammy
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 15, 2014, 08:05:58 PM
Skin Wars is doing THAT bad??

Skin Wars has averaged 618,000 total viewers in its first six episodes and is the highest rated original on GSN in 2014 thus far.

[citation needed not from your blog]
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on September 15, 2014, 09:27:16 PM
Ah so the season's over, that's why...
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Thunder on September 15, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
Skin Wars has averaged 618,000 total viewers in its first six episodes and is the highest rated original on GSN in 2014 thus far.
[citation needed not from your blog]

He's right on target with that. That's about what Madelyn & Scott have been saying.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Chief-O on September 16, 2014, 09:21:15 AM
Does anyone know which version of CS it will be? Perry, Eubanks or Rafferty?

Just checked my channel guide---Perry.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on September 16, 2014, 01:17:59 PM
So Perry will be seen on two shows on GSN daily, CS and SOTC.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gsfan85 on September 16, 2014, 08:40:06 PM
Think the schedule may be changing from what was previously announced.  Game Show Follies PDF is no longer online, and according to tvguide.com, the weekday schedule looks very different...Password Plus and Super Password are on it, but no Card Sharks.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 16, 2014, 08:44:28 PM
I asked Casey about the PDFs, and he said that they usually send out two versions of the advance schedule to him.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chad1m on September 16, 2014, 08:59:05 PM
Think the schedule may be changing from what was previously announced.  Game Show Follies PDF is no longer online, and according to tvguide.com, the weekday schedule looks very different...Password Plus and Super Password are on it, but no Card Sharks.
TV Guide's schedule that far in advance may be outdated, as it mirrors a schedule from April of this year.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on September 16, 2014, 09:17:52 PM
Casey has a new PDF for the week of the 29th up. Still the grid schedule instead of the episodic listings, and all the changes on the previous version are still there. The only new item is a baffling listing on Sunday 10/5. All Star Secrets at 9PM and Babble at 9:30 ??

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/a133a46b-94e7-45f3-bb81-b8b62982a8ea
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on September 16, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
Casey has a new PDF for the week of the 29th up. Still the grid schedule instead of the episodic listings, and all the changes on the previous version are still there. The only new item is a baffling listing on Sunday 10/5. All Star Secrets at 9PM and Babble at 9:30 ??

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/a133a46b-94e7-45f3-bb81-b8b62982a8ea

Hmmmm...A little late for April Fools, isn't it? Besides, was there really an American game show called Babble and when did the Hill-Eubanks Productions library suddenly become a hot commodity for GSN?



Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on September 17, 2014, 12:44:36 AM
Besides, was there really an American game show called Babble
It was an unsold 1984 pilot produced by Michael Hill. Winc. put up some clips (http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php/topic,26337.0.html) a few months ago.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cmjb13 on September 17, 2014, 08:37:10 AM
Maybe it's a typo and they meant Scrabble?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SuperMatch93 on September 17, 2014, 10:29:16 AM
Maybe a typo for Baggage?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chrisholland03 on September 17, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
or Rubbish

Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: weaklink75 on September 17, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
I'll take a guess out of left field- Maybe they're going to do a "The Gameshow Dead" stunt in October with unaired pilots- 9pm Sundays is when The Walking Dead airs on AMC (though they don't start until the 12th), and it'd be a cute counter-programming thing for a few weeks..
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 17, 2014, 04:25:23 PM
Those of you who record things are going to want to make sure that your recording-things thing is in good working order.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 17, 2014, 04:43:55 PM
If they were doings things other'n All-Star Secrets and Babble (or they've promised other pilots) I would consider getting GSN for the duration of the change.

My goodness, that's a lot of Feud when you look at it on the grid.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 17, 2014, 06:17:36 PM
I would urge people to consider getting GSN for the duration of the change.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on September 17, 2014, 06:55:16 PM
I would urge people to consider getting GSN for the duration of the change.
Matt, are you teasing us?  ;-)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on September 17, 2014, 07:08:37 PM
I'll take a guess out of left field- Maybe they're going to do a "The Gameshow Dead" stunt in October with unaired pilots- 9pm Sundays is when The Walking Dead airs on AMC (though they don't start until the 12th), and it'd be a cute counter-programming thing for a few weeks..

You know, doing some research, both All-Star Secrets and Babble had the same producer (Micheal Hill). Between that fact & weaklink75's statement, he might not be that far off.

I would urge people to consider getting GSN for the duration of the change.
Matt, are you teasing us?  ;-)

Yes, I too smell a Matt, er, rat.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jjman920 on September 17, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
I'll take a guess out of left field- Maybe they're going to do a "The Gameshow Dead" stunt in October with unaired pilots- 9pm Sundays is when The Walking Dead airs on AMC (though they don't start until the 12th), and it'd be a cute counter-programming thing for a few weeks..
This actually sounds like a brilliant idea. If something like this does happen, I might consider falling out of my seat.

Those of you who record things are going to want to make sure that your recording-things thing is in good working order.
I would urge people to consider getting GSN for the duration of the change.
Don't make me giddy.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on September 17, 2014, 10:39:23 PM
It just dawned on me that GSN's 20th anniversary is coming up in December. I wonder if "The Miguel Hill Hour" is part of the... "pre-festivities", if that makes sense? I still feel that weaklink75's "Game Show Dead" stunt idea is the best guess, though.

The master tapes of All-Star Secrets might still be around, who'd have thunk it? 

Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 17, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
And yet, we still do not know the status of the NBC Daytime episodes of Sale of the Century from January 1983 to August 1988.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 17, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
And yet, we still do not know the status of the NBC Daytime episodes of Sale of the Century from January 1983 to August 1988.

And yet you continue to bring this up as if we're going to magically start caring.

It's clear Mitt Dawson was wrong when he said the cues didn't exist, so I'm pretty sure he was wrong when he clai.ed those episodes don't exist either.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chad1m on September 18, 2014, 04:04:42 PM
More in-depth notes (https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/29aa3409-bb98-4e73-b7be-4c58cdcd5a0a) show that Bob Eubanks will be our daytime Card Sharks host. We've got new-to-GSN Press Your Luck and Sale episodes coming too.  The week of September 29 has Press Your Luck's episodes starting at 561 and syndicated Sale starting at episode 69. The $25,000 Pyramid continues its new-to-GSN run in October 1987.

The All Star Secrets episode airing is from June 1979 with Billy Crystal and Jamie Farr among others. The Babble pilot is also touted as featuring Brad Garrett, with Betty White, Marcia Wallace and others.

(They have new-to-GSN Harvey Feud too, but I'm guessing that's the least to get excited about in this crowd.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 18, 2014, 04:28:03 PM
So just what exactly is the reason they'll be showing All-Star Secrets and Babble, of all programs?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on September 18, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Looks like a good possibility then that we'll soon see an esteemed member of our forum in the GSN morning block.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: tvwxman on September 18, 2014, 04:40:41 PM

My goodness, that's a lot of Feud when you look at it on the grid.
I thought the exact same thing.

This is the new world TV order - appointment tv isn't a thing anymore, esp when you can watch the same dang show on a variety of tv channels.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 18, 2014, 04:51:34 PM
I'm reminded of the late-90s, when sitcoms like The Cosby Show, Full House and Saved by the Bell aired incessantly across several cable networks, plus any local channels that might air reruns. The difference is you might've gotten about a half-dozen episodes of each show per day. Nowadays it's six hours' worth, minimum.

I did the math. Looks like 35 hours of Harvey Feud on GSN per week. Then at least five more hours on TV Land, and at least another hour or so on BET (not sure on the scheduling there). And that's just reruns; with local affiliates that air an hour of new episodes, and others that might air another hour of reruns, you could get close to 50 hours of Steve Harvey hosting Family Feud. His agent is happy, that's for sure!

Seems like it's easier for cable stations to simply air marathons of the same show every day. From an economic standpoint, I suppose it makes sense.

/See History Channel and Pawn Stars
//Remember 20 years ago when the concept of a 500-channel universe sounded intriguing?
///Give me the 60 channels from back then any day
////And get off my lawn
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 18, 2014, 05:02:57 PM
//Remember 20 years ago when the concept of a 500-channel universe sounded intriguing?
///Give me the 60 channels from back then any day
I remember our cable box had thirteen buttons and a three-way switcher. You could go from 2 to 39, and by golly that was more than enough by a while.

I don't think I actually watch more than a half-dozen of the cable channels I pay for.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on September 18, 2014, 05:08:03 PM
PYL starting at 561?  Would that be the final season of the show? And talk about a change in Match Game episodes, they jump to the first season of the syndicated run. 
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 18, 2014, 05:12:51 PM
//Remember 20 years ago when the concept of a 500-channel universe sounded intriguing?
///Give me the 60 channels from back then any day
I remember our cable box had thirteen buttons and a three-way switcher. You could go from 2 to 39, and by golly that was more than enough by a while.

I don't think I actually watch more than a half-dozen of the cable channels I pay for.
My antenna and Roku have been two of my favorite investments in a long time, even though I don't use the latter as much as I should. That said, the apps I pay for there (Netflix, Hulu+, Warner Archive, etc.) still add up to being much less than cable, and I don't mind them sitting idly.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 18, 2014, 05:19:50 PM
PYL starting at 561?  Would that be the final season of the show? And talk about a change in Match Game episodes, they jump to the first season of the syndicated run.

It is November 18, 1985. The last week of the 3rd Home Player Game, and the week ended with an All-Cash Board for one lucky viewer. USA Network used to show the All-Cash Board episode quite a bit, beginning in 1993.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on September 18, 2014, 05:24:39 PM
GSN, stay awesome in regard to the classics. :)

PYL starting at 561? Would that be the final season of the show?
Yep -- November 19, 1985, two shows after the latest GSN's previously gone in the run (skipping #560), per Jason Hernandez's episode guide (http://www.press-your-luck.com/pylepisode4.html).

syndicated Sale starting at episode 69.
Given that Season 1 apparently had 100 episodes, if this lease is even half as big as the initial one there's a good chance we see the start of Season 2.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 18, 2014, 05:26:29 PM
No, it is November 18, 1985. It was just recently proven that the Back-to-School episodes were #500-#505. #500 was unaired, even on USA Network. #560 was November 15, 1985.

I can't find it now, but I do remember seeing an older PDF from September 2008, which listed 11/15/85 as #560.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: MSTieScott on September 18, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
Looks like a good possibility then that we'll soon see an esteemed member of our forum in the GSN morning block.

Oh, that's why we should be getting our recording devices ready!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on September 18, 2014, 05:44:55 PM
I can't find it now, but I do remember seeing an older PDF from September 2008, which listed 11/15/85 as #560.
You're right, GSN lists #560 as airing on September 4, 2008.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Jimmy Owen on September 18, 2014, 06:30:09 PM
Looks like a good possibility then that we'll soon see an esteemed member of our forum in the GSN morning block.

Oh, that's why we should be getting our recording devices ready!

I hear he's quite the swinger. :)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on September 18, 2014, 08:02:01 PM
Well, one word sums up the news:  YAY!

Card Sharks returns with the Bob Eubanks version, and with the car game debut to boot!  I know the episode is on YT, but it would be nice for me to record a better quality version to replace the version I downloaded quite a while ago.  Plus, this limited range of episodes have not been shown on GSN since February or March 2007, if I recall.  Definitely long overdue for me to see them and have a chance to record them.

Press Your Luck is, by far, the highlight of the good news for sure!  After waiting patiently for nearly a decade, we're finally getting at least a limited range of episodes from the final 198 episodes of the run, starting with Day 21 of the third and final Home Player Sweepstakes.  On October 6, unless GSN decides to skip it, the All-Cash Bonus Board episode should appear on GSN.  Plus it will be fun to see the November 1985 episodes that are likely not on the trading circuit - including the return of $2000 or Lose-1-Whammy after a five-week hiatus in the run.  There's no certainty if January 1986 will be included in this current lease, but at least it's a step in the right direction for sure.  It will also be fun to finally get to see the Bicycle Whammy, as well as the Whammies impersonating Willie Nelson, Liberace, and Ben Franklin appear on GSN.  I know that there are episodes from November and December 1985 on YT, but it would be great for me to record better quality broadcasts to replace the ones I downloaded quite a while ago.

$ale of the Century is getting fresh episodes, continuing from where it left off in the syndicated run - Episode S-069.  It will be a shame that I won't have any more 1988-89 NBC episodes to record that I didn't get to record back in 2013, though I have a lot of the 1989 episodes already, including LaRae Dillman's run.  But, at least we get a great exchange, and I am certainly happy with it.  Makes me wonder if we'll eventually be getting the Winner's Board era of the Syndicated version?  Time will tell.  Maybe Matt Ottinger's appearance might be in the new lease.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chrisholland03 on September 18, 2014, 08:58:50 PM
Maybe Matt Ottinger's appearance might be in the new lease.

*smacks forehead*

Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 18, 2014, 09:14:15 PM
Maybe Matt Ottinger's appearance might be in the new lease.

*smacks forehead*

Don't smack it too hard.  Until Jimmy's "swinger" comment, *I* didn't even realize you guys were talking about me!

It would be...interesting to see that again.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 18, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
I thought Matt appeared in the first syndicated season? Did they only lease part of season one?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 18, 2014, 09:16:46 PM
Matt Ottinger's episode was S-095 , and it aired on May 17, 1985. Second-to-last week of season 1 of the Syndicated edition.

Current Cash Jackpot: $78,000
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on September 18, 2014, 09:19:34 PM
Matt Ottinger's episode was S-095 , and it aired on May 17, 1985. Second-to-last week of season 1 of the Syndicated edition.

Current Cash Jackpot: $78,000
This new package starts with S-069, so unless they skip it for some reason, we should see it this time around.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 18, 2014, 09:20:33 PM
Matt Ottinger's episode was S-095 , and it aired on May 17, 1985. Second-to-last week of season 1 of the Syndicated edition.

I could have sworn it was the final week.  They must have taped both weeks with the pool of folks they had on hand, because one of my few specific memories is being told what would happen to the final defending champion.  They had not yet been renewed at that point, so they said that the champion on the final day could say he was playing on, but if the show didn't get renewed, he'd be given whatever prize he had reached.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jjman920 on September 18, 2014, 10:10:53 PM
A little disappointed my daily fix of Super Password is being replaced with syndicated DOND, but then again with Price starting back up again, I wasn't going to be watching it much anyway. At least it's still on weekends.

So many more goodies to look at in broadcast quality! GSN's getting people excited again.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Ian Wallis on September 19, 2014, 07:09:29 PM
The master tapes of All-Star Secrets might still be around, who'd have thunk it?

Since All-Star Secrets was from 1979, theoretically there should be at least a bit of it around...but from what we know they haven't found Mindreaders yet...which came on after ASS (sorry) was cancelled...so who knows?  There might just be scattered episodes.  Besides the June 1979 episode GSN is airing, there are four other episodes of ASS (couldn't resist) from original broadcasts in the circuit - one of which features Bill Cullen.

I've been without GSN for quite a while, but after hearing about these changes, I think I'm going to finally upgrade my digital cable package to get the channel again.  Looking forward to seeing what the following Sunday brings!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 19, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
The master tapes of All-Star Secrets might still be around, who'd have thunk it?

Since All-Star Secrets was from 1979, theoretically there should be at least a bit of it around...but from what we know they haven't found Mindreaders yet...which came on after ASS (sorry) was cancelled...so who knows?  There might just be scattered episodes.  Besides the June 1979 episode GSN is airing, there are four other episodes of ASS (couldn't resist) from original broadcasts in the circuit - one of which features Bill Cullen.

I've been without GSN for quite a while, but after hearing about these changes, I think I'm going to finally upgrade my digital cable package to get the channel again.  Looking forward to seeing what the following Sunday brings!

There's also one with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Chief-O on September 19, 2014, 07:50:55 PM
Does anyone know which version of CS it will be? Perry, Eubanks or Rafferty?

Just checked my channel guide---Perry.

U-Verse's channel guide deserves a wet noodle. I did check it again to make sure I didn't misread it---yep, it said Perry!

My mind is blown about All-Star Secrets and the Babble pilot; I think weaklink75 nailed it re. being a pilot/obscure series special/block/gimmick/dealie. I'd have to wonder as well how many Secrets eps. are still in existence. Plus with Babble being a pilot, you'd have to wonder what they'd run in the same slot the following week!

New-to-GSN eps. of SOTC and PYL [not to mention 25KP] will be treats indeed.....and I was just getting used to seeing the 1988 NBC daytime eps of SOTC again! Any $ale is good $ale, far as I'm concerned.......same with PYL!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on September 20, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
Because I know there are people on here who know this......I'm happy to see the syndie MG eps on GSN again, but I can't help wondering - when were they on GSN last as part of the schedule?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SRIV94 on September 20, 2014, 10:32:30 PM
Because I know there are people on here who know this......I'm happy to see the syndie MG eps on GSN again, but I can't help wondering - when were they on GSN last as part of the schedule?

Sometime in 2009, I believe.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Winkfan on September 21, 2014, 01:06:04 AM
I just realized something. This will be the first time that Richard Dawson will not be seen on GSN at all; either on MG or FF.

Cordially,
Tammy
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: ivoryman1986 on September 21, 2014, 01:21:45 AM
Because I know there are people on here who know this......I'm happy to see the syndie MG eps on GSN again, but I can't help wondering - when were they on GSN last as part of the schedule?

Sometime in 2009, I believe.
Looking through old weekly PDFs, March 31, 2010 was the last time Syndie MG was seen anywhere.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 21, 2014, 04:21:20 AM
Because I know there are people on here who know this......I'm happy to see the syndie MG eps on GSN again, but I can't help wondering - when were they on GSN last as part of the schedule?

Sometime in 2009, I believe.
Looking through old weekly PDFs, March 31, 2010 was the last time Syndie MG was seen anywhere.

And only on weekends, right?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on September 21, 2014, 07:26:24 AM
According to Casey Abell (yeah I know) on another board that on the e-mail he received with the PDF schedules, All Star Secrets and Babble are the beginning of the Time Capsule Initiative.  So it sounds like as long as the ratings are enough, little known game shows and/or game show rarities are going to be a weekly thing.

Here's the link to that thread so that you can see his mention of it for yourself.  And for entertainment value, you can also see where he says GSN started this because he trashed Skin Wars on his blog...  ::)

http://gsparadise.proboards.com/thread/836/schedule-changes-september-29th-october?page=4&scrollTo=13259
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: ivoryman1986 on September 21, 2014, 12:25:56 PM
Because I know there are people on here who know this......I'm happy to see the syndie MG eps on GSN again, but I can't help wondering - when were they on GSN last as part of the schedule?

Sometime in 2009, I believe.
Looking through old weekly PDFs, March 31, 2010 was the last time Syndie MG was seen anywhere.

And only on weekends, right?
No, remember they changed the daytime lineup the very next day on April 1 and it was one of the times that GSN changed their daytime lineup mid-week.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 21, 2014, 12:42:01 PM
According to Casey Abell (yeah I know) on another board that on the e-mail he received with the PDF schedules, All Star Secrets and Babble are the beginning of the Time Capsule Initiative.  So it sounds like as long as the ratings are enough, little known game shows and/or game show rarities are going to be a weekly thing.
That is actually pretty cool. I'm a sucker for the rare stuff...reminds me of when TV Land used to show more obscure shows when they first started. But from a business standpoint, once a week makes more sense.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 21, 2014, 01:15:57 PM
I just realized something. This will be the first time that Richard Dawson will not be seen on GSN at all; either on MG or FF.

Considering the Dark Period (you know, that few years with no G-T shows at all), I'm going to guess this isn't even remotely close to accurate.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 21, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
Chris, does Family Feud '94 ring any bells?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 21, 2014, 01:20:38 PM
Chris, does Family Feud '94 ring any bells?

Was it on during the entirety of the Dark Period? If so I'll happily eat my words (though I still question the veracity of the original comment). Show your work.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on September 21, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
He's right actually.   Family Feud '94 and TPIR had separate leases from the rest of the G-T library. Here's the schedule that started on October 13th,  1997.  I found this on the old alt.tv.game-shows forum and took out commentary. 


WEEKDAYS
6:00 a.m. Joker's Wild
6:30 a.m. Tic Tac Dough
7:00 a.m. Dating Game
7:30 a.m. Newlywed Game
8:00 a.m. $20,000 Pyramid
8:30 a.m. Treasure Hunt
9:00 a.m. Joker's Wild
9:30 a.m. Tic Tac Dough
10:00 a.m. Dating Game
10:30 a.m. Newlywed Game
11:00 a.m. Wheel of Fortune
11:30 a.m. Jeopardy!
12:00 p.m. $25,000 Pyramid
12:30 p.m. Game World
1:00 p.m. Price is Right
2:00 p.m. Wheel of Fortune
2:30 p.m. Jeopardy!
3:00 p.m. Dating Game
3:30 p.m. Newlywed Game
4:00 p.m. The Price is Right
5:00 p.m. Game TV
5:30 p.m. Game World
6:00 p.m. Treasure Hunt
6:30 p.m. Variety (?) What's that one?
7:00 p.m. New Dating Game
7:30 p.m. New Newlywed Game
8:00 p.m. $100,000 Pyramid
8:30 p.m. The Price is Right
9:00 p.m. The Gong Show
9:30 p.m. The Dating Game
10:00 p.m. The Newlywed Game
10:30 p.m. Three's a Crowd
11:00 a.m. Trivia Track/Super Decades
11:30 p.m. $100,000 Pyramid
12:00 a.m. The Gong Show
12:30 p.m. New Newlywed Game
1:00 a.m. New Dating Game
1:30 a.m. Three's a Crowd
2:00 a.m. $100,000 Pyramid
2:30 a.m. Go!
3:00 a.m. Game World
3:30 a.m. Dating Game
4:00 a.m. Newlywed Game
4:30 a.m. $25,000 Pyramid
5:00 a.m. Trivia Track
5:30 a.m. Game TV

FRIDAY NIGHTS
8:00 p.m. Wheel 2000
8:30 p.m. Junior Pyramid
9:00 p.m. Joker, Joker, Joker
9:30 p.m. Quiz Kids Challenge
10:00 p.m. Trivia Track
10:30 p.m. The Dating Game
11:00 p.m. Wheel 2000

SATURDAYS
6:00 a.m. Juvenile Jury
6:30 a.m. Parent Game
7:00 a.m. Joker, Joker, Joker
7:30 a.m. Quiz Kids Challenge
8:00 a.m. Junior Pyramid
8:30 a.m. Dating Game
9:00 a.m. Juvenile Jury
9:30 a.m. Parent Game
10:00 a.m. Joker, Joker, Joker
10:30 a.m. Quiz Kids
11:00 a.m. Junior Pyramid
11:30 a.m. Dating Game
12:00 p.m. Game World
1:00 p.m. Tic Tac Dough
1:30 p.m. Joker's Wild
2:00 p.m. The Price is Right
3:00 p.m. Go!
3:30 p.m. Ruckus
4:00 p.m. $25,000 Pyramid
4:30 p.m. $100,000 Pyramid
5:00 p.m. Dating Game
5:30 p.m. Newlywed Game
6:00 p.m. Variety
6:30 p.m. Game TV
7:00 p.m. Chain Reaction
7:30 p.m. Jackpot
8:00 p.m. Game World
9:00 p.m. $25,000 Pyramid
9:30 p.m. $100,000 Pyramid
10:00 p.m. The Dating Game
10:30 p.m. The Newlywed Game
11:00 p.m. The Price is Right
12:00 a.m. Ruckus
12:30 a.m. Go!
1:00 a.m. Family Feud
2:00 a.m. Hot Potato
2:30 a.m. Chain Reaction
3:00 a.m. Pass the Buck
3:30 a.m. Price is Right
4:00 a.m. Variety
4:30 a.m. Game TV
5:00 a.m. Family Feud

SUNDAYS
Morning's the same, it starts to differ around noon:
12:00 p.m. Family Feud
1:00 p.m. Ruckus
1:30 p.m. The Diamond Head Game
2:00 p.m. Game World
3:00 p.m. Newlywed Game
3:30 p.m. Dating Game
4:00 p.m. Family Feud
5:00 p.m. Ruckus
5:30 p.m. The Diamond Head Game
6:00 p.m. $20,000 Pyramid
6:30 p.m. $25,000 Pyramid
7:00 p.m. The Newlywed Game
7:30 p.m. Dating Game
8:00 p.m. Three's a Crowd
8:30 p.m. Perfect Match
9:00 p.m. The Gong Show
9:30 p.m. Hollywood Connection
10:00 p.m. Celebrity Charades
10:30 p.m. Break the Bank
11:00 p.m. The Price is Right
12:00 a.m. The Gong Show
12:30 a.m. Hollywood Connection
1:00 a.m. Celebrity Charades
1:30 a.m. Break the Bank
2:00 a.m. Hot Potato
2:30 a.m. Chain Reaction
3:00 a.m. Pass the Buck
3:30 a.m. The Price is Right
4:00 a.m. Game World
5:00 a.m. Family Feud


Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 21, 2014, 02:00:20 PM
He's right actually.

Actually, that schedule shows conclusively that he's not right and might, once again, have done well to do his homework before shooting off his damn fool mouth (especially in a snotty manner) about it. That weekday lineup, unless he was judging Gong Show or appearing on Pyramid *a lot* (hint: he wasn't) doesn't have so much of a hint of Dawson in it.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on September 21, 2014, 02:18:47 PM
But the weekend schedule does show that Family Feud with Dawson was still airing.   The schedule shows and proves that Family Feud '94 and Price were on separate leases from the rest of the G-T library.  I posted the whole schedule to show both of those points.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 21, 2014, 05:08:34 PM
But the weekend schedule does show that Family Feud with Dawson was still airing.   The schedule shows and proves that Family Feud '94 and Price were on separate leases from the rest of the G-T library.  I posted the whole schedule to show both of those points.

The original assertion was:

I just realized something. This will be the first time that Richard Dawson will not be seen on GSN at all

...which is clearly (and now proven to be) a large crock. Now, if we're hinging it all on the second part:

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either on MG or FF.

to qualify the whole thing to suggest "when either MG or FF (in any flavor) is on GSN, Richard Dawson appears on at least one of those", then fine; I'm still not absolutely convinced of the veracity of the statement, but at the same time that's a really really uninteresting statement so I don't really care that much.

But I promise you Vahan is in no position to be taking a snotty little "does X ring any bells?" stand.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SuperSweeper on September 21, 2014, 05:11:42 PM
After seeing those schedules, I'm glad that I didn't have GSN back then; otherwise, I would've been glued to the TV nearly 24/7.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on September 21, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
But the weekend schedule does show that Family Feud with Dawson was still airing.   The schedule shows and proves that Family Feud '94 and Price were on separate leases from the rest of the G-T library.  I posted the whole schedule to show both of those points.

The original assertion was:

I just realized something. This will be the first time that Richard Dawson will not be seen on GSN at all

...which is clearly (and now proven to be) a large crock. Now, if we're hinging it all on the second part:

Quote
either on MG or FF.

to qualify the whole thing to suggest "when either MG or FF (in any flavor) is on GSN, Richard Dawson appears on at least one of those", then fine; I'm still not absolutely convinced of the veracity of the statement, but at the same time that's a really really uninteresting statement so I don't really care that much.

But I promise you Vahan is in no position to be taking a snotty little "does X ring any bells?" stand.

Absolutely agreed and I will give you that.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 21, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
I was reading Casey Abell's blog, and an individual named "HD" commented on one of Casey's blog entries. According to HD, both Travis Eberle and Chris Lemmon are the same person, because according to HD, both Travis and Chris behave the same. And also according to HD, because both Travis and Chris live in Seattle.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chad1m on September 21, 2014, 05:45:36 PM
According to HD, both Travis Eberle and Chris Lemmon are the same person
What relevance does this incredibly incorrect statement have to do with the topic at hand?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on September 21, 2014, 05:49:09 PM
I was reading Casey Abell's blog, and an individual named "HD" commented on one of Casey's blog entries. According to HD, both Travis Eberle and Chris Lemmon are the same person, because according to HD, both Travis and Chris behave the same. And also according to HD, because both Travis and Chris live in Seattle.

And you seriously wonder why people give you so much crap on here?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jjman920 on September 21, 2014, 05:52:02 PM
This isn't even worthy of popcorn. Thanks for trying though.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 21, 2014, 06:08:32 PM
Our high-definition poster is wrong as I don't live in Seattle.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 21, 2014, 06:58:55 PM
I was reading Casey Abell's blog, and an individual named "HD" commented on one of Casey's blog entries. According to HD, both Travis Eberle and Chris Lemmon are the same person, because according to HD, both Travis and Chris behave the same. And also according to HD, because both Travis and Chris live in Seattle.
Sit this one out, kid. Grown folks are talking. Your point is irrelevant and idiotic on so many, many levels that it's not even funny. We get it, you hate Chris and Travis.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chrisholland03 on September 21, 2014, 07:03:31 PM
Just when you think you've seen it all...

 ;D
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Thunder on September 21, 2014, 07:05:00 PM
Sit this one out, kid. Grown folks are talking. Your point irrelevant and idiotic on so many, many levels that it's not even funny. We get it, you hate Chris and Travis.

Using "Your point irrelevant" after "Grown folks are talking" is quite hilarious. Just sayin.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 21, 2014, 07:32:07 PM
Sit this one out, kid. Grown folks are talking. Your point is irrelevant and idiotic on so many, many levels that it's not even funny. We get it, you hate Chris and Travis.

Using "Your point irrelevant" after "Grown folks are talking" is quite hilarious. Just sayin.
Eh whatever. Fixed.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on September 21, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Here's the link to that thread so that you can see his mention of it for yourself. And for entertainment value, you can also see where he says GSN started this because he trashed Skin Wars on his blog...  ::)
I think you misread his posts, because nowhere in the post you linked to or the one a bit further down in the thread (http://gsparadise.proboards.com/thread/836/schedule-changes-september-29th-october?page=4#scrollTo=13277) have Abell claiming what you say he is. To quote the latter:

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Actually, what's bringing in the ratings lately is Skin Wars, and GSN is getting an earful about it from traditional game show fans. I trashed the show on my blog, for instance. That's why this "Time Capsule" thing has popped up all of a sudden, IMO. The network is planning more reality stuff and knows it's going to get a bad reaction from traditional fans. So they're refreshing the old shows in the lineup and offering a game show rarities series to placate them.

I know this sounds a little like a conspiracy theory, but it makes some sense. The network will definitely program more non-traditional shows, especially after the big demo numbers for Skin Wars. So they don't want endless screaming from traditional game show fans, particularly fans of the older shows. After all, GSN isn't planning a complete makeover into a reality network...yet. At least I don't think they're planning that.
He's pretty clearly noting that Skin Wars is doing well in the ratings, traditional game show fans (including Abell himself) are giving GSN crap about doing yet another non-traditional show and/or that said show is bad (I've never seen it, so I can't judge either way), and he theorizes that this -- and possibly a move for future non-traditional programming based on said Skin Wars ratings -- is why the Time Capsule thing sprung up suddenly.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 21, 2014, 08:15:20 PM
Our high-definition poster is wrong as I don't live in Seattle.

Making it doubly funny: neither do I :)

/at least have enough respect to spell my farking name right
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 21, 2014, 09:13:11 PM
So wait...you weren't in Thunder in Paradise?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 21, 2014, 09:22:01 PM
So wait...you weren't in Thunder in Paradise?

No, but Duet? All me.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 22, 2014, 12:29:19 PM
Using "Your point irrelevant" after "Grown folks are talking" is quite hilarious. Just sayin.
I will point out that it is quite easy to make a typographical blooper when using a mobile device.

Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 22, 2014, 02:18:34 PM
Using "Your point irrelevant" after "Grown folks are talking" is quite hilarious. Just sayin.
I will point out that it is quite easy to make a typographical blooper when using a mobile device.
No, said typo was made on a laptop. I didn't realize that missing a simple word could lessen the quality of the post. But if that's what he wants to use to render the point useless, by all means, have at it. I'm not losing sleep.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Thunder on September 22, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
'Twas a joke of quick juxtaposition. No more. No less.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 22, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
Fair enough. Carry on!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PSUGSContestant on September 22, 2014, 10:51:19 PM
At least as of now, it seems this "game show vault" thing is one-and-done. New PDFs on Casey's blog show "Baggage" taking the 9pm slot on 12 October.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on September 22, 2014, 11:56:40 PM
At least as of now, it seems this "game show vault" thing is one-and-done. New PDFs on Casey's blog show "Baggage" taking the 9pm slot on 12 October.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. It shows the All Star Secrets/Babble block repeating on Thursday at noon after (or more likely as a part of) the Throwback Thursday block. My theory (and it's only a theory, and admittedly an optimistic one) is that the noon Thursday slot will be the regular time for that and the Sunday deal is just to draw attention to it.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on September 23, 2014, 01:09:46 PM
One other theory (which LGY tried to latch onto of course!) is that they will be going through the alphabet with the rare shows, and All-Star Secrets and Babble are the first.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 23, 2014, 01:17:13 PM
One other theory (which LGY tried to latch onto of course!) is that they will be going through the alphabet with the rare shows, and All-Star Secrets and Babble are the first.

Next up, Celebrity Charades and Dotto!

(Q isn't a problem.  Are there any Z's?)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JasonA1 on September 23, 2014, 01:35:01 PM
(Animal Planet's) ZooVenture comes to mind.

-Jason
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SwohS Emag on September 23, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
Or how about (Discovery Kids') Zap It! ?

I can't think of anything for X.  Does EOTVGS have listings for X?  Don't have my copy handy.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 23, 2014, 01:59:34 PM
Or how about (Discovery Kids') Zap It! ?

I can't think of anything for X.  Does EOTVGS have listings for X?  Don't have my copy handy.

I have the third edition of the book. No "X" entries.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: MikeK on September 23, 2014, 02:14:11 PM
One other theory (which LGY tried to latch onto of course!) is that they will be going through the alphabet with the rare shows, and All-Star Secrets and Babble are the first.
I thought of this theory as well this weekend, with there being 13 weeks left in the year x 2 letters per week.  The math works out beautifully--26 shows, 26 letters.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on September 23, 2014, 02:24:46 PM
I thought of this theory as well this weekend, with there being 13 weeks left in the year x 2 letters per week.  The math works out beautifully--26 shows, 26 letters.

The difference being is that you know much better than to try to pass it off as a "GSN Rumor". :)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SwohS Emag on September 23, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
I thought of this theory as well this weekend, with there being 13 weeks left in the year x 2 letters per week.  The math works out beautifully--26 shows, 26 letters.

The difference being is that you know much better than to try to pass it off as a "GSN Rumor". :)

I agree.  I am the one that first wrote the theory (which is not, by the way, a "rumor"), on Casey's blog (see comments section):  http://gameshowfollies.blogspot.com/2014/09/what-hath-schedule-wrought.html#comment-form

I wrote it mainly to 'test' whether it would get turned into an 'official' rumor.  I was thoroughly humored.   And I have no connections to GSN, btw, to verify or deny my theory.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 24, 2014, 05:04:41 PM
I cannot seem to access the new PDF for 9/29 anymore.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 24, 2014, 05:07:12 PM
I cannot seem to access the new PDF for 9/29 anymore.

This seems like a concern you might have better luck resolving, erm, anywhere but here.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 24, 2014, 05:19:12 PM
One thing I saw, from the proprietor himself...

Quote
Oh, I've had some fun with the board formerly known as Matt Ottinger's. I do have to laugh about how they hide most of the board away from the prying eyes of outsiders. It's like some little boys club with SEKRET written on the door.

Clueless much?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 24, 2014, 05:23:45 PM
I used to be against Casey Abell, but recently, I have made peace with him.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 24, 2014, 05:25:43 PM
I used to be against Casey Abell, but recently, I have made peace with him.

Estevezes, if you please.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BmjHT5GpAYQ
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on September 24, 2014, 08:39:20 PM
Looking at the updated PDFs, it appears this block of rarities is no longer listed for Thursday or Sunday.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chad1m on September 24, 2014, 08:52:48 PM
Looking at the updated PDFs, it appears this block of rarities is no longer listed for Thursday or Sunday.
Yes, (https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/1fa0a607-8fc9-4900-94e0-9c52e4dab3ad) they are. (https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/e591b1bd-05c1-4fee-bfa7-b5fd0aeb0eaa) (The schedule changes are to take out Harvey's Feud at 3 PM and plug in The Pyramid and another Chain Reaction.)

Nevertheless, Scott/Allison/Nicole is still talking out of his ass.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on September 24, 2014, 08:53:57 PM
Looking at the updated PDFs, it appears this block of rarities is no longer listed for Thursday or Sunday.
It's still there on Thursday. It's just not highlighted in yellow anymore. (I thought that at first too.) It is still listed for Sunday 10/5 but there's no rarity block listed for the following Sunday (and there never was.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on September 24, 2014, 09:28:43 PM
Looking at the updated PDFs, it appears this block of rarities is no longer listed for Thursday or Sunday.
It's still there on Thursday. It's just not highlighted in yellow anymore. (I thought that at first too.) It is still listed for Sunday 10/5 but there's no rarity block listed for the following Sunday (and there never was.)
Geez, sorry folks!  I guess I have been looking at too many spreadsheets today.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on September 24, 2014, 09:45:43 PM
Looking at the updated PDFs, it appears this block of rarities is no longer listed for Thursday or Sunday.
It's still there on Thursday. It's just not highlighted in yellow anymore. (I thought that at first too.) It is still listed for Sunday 10/5 but there's no rarity block listed for the following Sunday (and there never was.)
Geez, sorry folks!  I guess I have been looking at too many spreadsheets today.
Like I said, I was a little confused at first as well... and the remark about the following Sunday was more intended for LGY.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on September 24, 2014, 10:03:33 PM
Looking at the updated PDFs, it appears this block of rarities is no longer listed for Thursday or Sunday.
It's still there on Thursday. It's just not highlighted in yellow anymore. (I thought that at first too.) It is still listed for Sunday 10/5 but there's no rarity block listed for the following Sunday (and there never was.)
Geez, sorry folks!  I guess I have been looking at too many spreadsheets today.
Like I said, I was a little confused at first as well... and the remark about the following Sunday was more intended for LGY.
Yeah I just couldn't believe I didn't see it.  Oh well, it happens....  Glad though these shows are still on.  I am with you on your theory regarding these rare shows and airings.  Let's just hope you are right Greg!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on September 29, 2014, 02:57:43 PM
Card Sharks features Eubanks and contestants playing for a car as well as up to $32K. They must put their Joker on one of seven cards. Also nice to see syndie MG for a change of pace.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 29, 2014, 03:02:47 PM
I think Syndicated Match Game (1979-1982) is better than the early 70's Match Game.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 29, 2014, 03:12:51 PM
Why do you think that?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on September 29, 2014, 03:13:49 PM
Because too many people were picking Richard Dawson before that time during the Super Match, more than any other.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on September 29, 2014, 03:48:31 PM
I think Syndicated Match Game (1979-1982) is better than the early 70's Match Game.

I personally like it better myself as that's the version I first remember seeing.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 29, 2014, 04:50:36 PM
Because too many people were picking Richard Dawson before that time during the Super Match, more than any other.

So you like the syndicated series because people in the earlier years of MG were playing to win the game?

Does not approve. (http://www.hiphopsportsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/herm-edwards-hip-hop-sports-report.jpg)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 29, 2014, 05:28:23 PM
For the first time in a long time, I was able to divine the content of an image prior to seeing it.

/"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: J.R. on September 29, 2014, 07:05:45 PM
I always found the 79-82 Syndicated Match Game to be pretty droll and way over-edited. I think they were just burnt out by then.

I'd imagine, by 1982, the show looked really outdated compared to just about everything else on the air.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 29, 2014, 09:00:32 PM
I think Gene was more burnt out than anybody else, truthfully. The last couple years, certainly, were just him wanting to get it over with to me and once it was all over, he didn't want to get back into hosting again. Hence why I felt his work on MGHS was subpar and Farago did a better job with Break the Bank (especially once the format changed).

It was depressing to watch, but that's how life is. No matter how we try, we can't always be where we were at our peak.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on September 29, 2014, 09:41:29 PM
Of course now by the time I get back home, they revert back to the 2000 STYD...sigh
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on September 29, 2014, 11:10:30 PM
The PDF for October 13-19th is now posted over at Game Show Follies and it looks like the Let's Ask America hour will reclaim the Noon hour effective 10/16. This stuff is subject to change, of course, but this "time capsule" thingy is looking to be a one time deal.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: J.R. on September 29, 2014, 11:43:03 PM
Hence why I felt his work on MGHS was subpar
Yeah, he was rather grumpy on MGHS. I thought he was straight-up rude to Bauman at times too.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on September 30, 2014, 12:01:51 PM
Because too many people were picking Richard Dawson before that time during the Super Match, more than any other.

So you like the syndicated series because people in the earlier years of MG were playing to win the game?

Nah, I get this.  It's the same as the people who complain about not enjoying Jeopardy as much when players bounce around the board.  Because we as a group love the "game" we often forget about the "show".  It's possible for a strategically sound move to be aesthetically displeasing to a viewer.  Obviously the Match Game powers-that-be thought the same thing, or else they wouldn't have bothered with the Star Wheel.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 30, 2014, 12:23:24 PM
Obviously the Match Game powers-that-be thought the same thing, or else they wouldn't have bothered with the Star Wheel.

Also, different strokes. I *loved* the Star Wheel from the get-go. Something bright and shiny and beepy that *also* fixed something that was making the show stale? Brilliant.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on September 30, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
Also, different strokes. I *loved* the Star Wheel from the get-go. Something bright and shiny and beepy that *also* fixed something that was making the show stale? Brilliant.

Being 4/5 years old when I first saw the show, a shiny and beepy wheel that sounded like the "Big Wheel" on TPiR? Oh yeah. Instantly hooked and still my favorite part of the show, some 35 years later.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Sodboy13 on September 30, 2014, 01:02:32 PM
I definitely prefer the Star Wheel to the couple solid years of "everyone in this room and at home knows you're going to pick Richard Dawson" that preceded it. So what if it bruised poor little Dickie's fragile ego? He had a foot-and-a-half out the door by this point anyway.

I actually liked MGHSH's 10-20-30 cards even better than the Star Wheel. Gives the contestant the option of avoiding a celebrity who's been a complete doof all game while still adding on the chrome.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on September 30, 2014, 01:03:49 PM
Although I'm partial to the 74-77 era (right around the time Feud became really big), I gotta say I do prefer the Star Wheel. Could be because my first exposure to the show was actually Ross Shafer's version, which used the wheel.

McLean Stevenson and Bill Daily were suitable replacements, but I don't think there was topping humble Richard in his prime.

In terms of syndie versions, I think I prefer Match Game PM to the daily version...wasn't as rushed and heavily edited.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 30, 2014, 01:28:17 PM
I think Gene was more burnt out than anybody else, truthfully. The last couple years, certainly, were just him wanting to get it over with to me and once it was all over, he didn't want to get back into hosting again.
That's curious because watching the Behind the Blank documentary and particularly one of the interviews; I got the impression that he basically lived to do Match Game, and his burn out happened after 1982, because nothing was the same after that. I could be misremembering but it does match up with why he left Break the Bank so early (obviously he wanted to be capering around and goofing off, and BTB didn't really allow that.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 30, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I actually liked MGHSH's 10-20-30 cards even better than the Star Wheel. Gives the contestant the option of avoiding a celebrity who's been a complete doof all game while still adding on the chrome.

Except it just reintroduced the original problem, because the mass majority of contestants gravitated (correctly) to Bauman.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 30, 2014, 01:54:23 PM
Except it just reintroduced the original problem, because the mass majority of contestants gravitated (correctly) to Bauman.
Did he have a decent batting average? Because yes, I want a better chance at $10,000 (or maybe more) than to go fishing randomly to maybe win more. And you have a 55% chance of doing better than the minimum of 10x anyway.

I remember seeing but not really internalizing MG-HSH, and the first time I really got what MG was about was in 1990. Seeing the 1973 reruns and watching as the winner picked her champion to guide her to a victory in the Head-to-Head match was odd in the same way as was finding out that in the New York era of Pyramid contestants were off the show if they lost the front game. I liked the wheel because it was a visual thing on a visual medium and that it allowed the champions to win more money, but it never occured to me to like one way more than the other, just that it was different.

/I still think it is bat-guano insane to offer twenty grand for _____ Flakes, anyway.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on September 30, 2014, 02:00:21 PM
/I still think it is bat-guano insane to offer twenty grand for _____ Flakes, anyway.

For argument's sake (or maybe to drive home your point), my first thought was FROSTED....
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 30, 2014, 02:17:34 PM
Did he have a decent batting average? Because yes, I want a better chance at $10,000 (or maybe more) than to go fishing randomly to maybe win more. And you have a 55% chance of doing better than the minimum of 10x anyway.

Of course he did, since he was the only one on the panel who was playing the game every single day. (The cards were meaningless and did absolutely nothing to incite a variety of selections; I have exactly as much chance of drawing a spade off of the top of a shuffled deck as I do picking a card out of the middle.) I'd have picked him too. And if I had my druthers I'd have picked Richard Dawson as well.

And both would have been boring choices for the folks at home, because anyone else with an ounce of sense was doing the same thing.

And on a game show, when that is the case, when the correct strategic decision is also the least interesting one from an entertainment standpoint, as a producer, the correct thing to do is change the rules so that the uninteresting decision can't happen anymore. It's similar to why I despise the Prisoner's Dilemma so much as a mechanic.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on September 30, 2014, 02:18:13 PM
Corn, bran
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on September 30, 2014, 08:25:16 PM
That's curious because watching the Behind the Blank documentary and particularly one of the interviews; I got the impression that he basically lived to do Match Game, and his burn out happened after 1982, because nothing was the same after that.
Part of that may be because the Squares half of MGHSH didn't really have anything that made the format work. From the episodes I've seen, Gene's his usual self when doing the Match Game parts.

I could be misremembering but it does match up with why he left Break the Bank so early (obviously he wanted to be capering around and goofing off, and BTB didn't really allow that.)
It wasn't so much the format as it was Kline & Friends. They didn't want Gene to goof off and make jokes during what they intended to be a serious and suspenseful show, then blamed him for the poor ratings and kicked him out after 13 weeks.

(Source: Game Show Utopia (http://game-show-utopia.net/gene/breakthebank1985.htm))

Even after that, Gene wasn't really "burnt out". He just couldn't get much of any work due to age discrimination.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 30, 2014, 08:28:18 PM
But just because the people weren't picking Dawson is not a legitimate reason for thinking the later years of Match Game were better than the earlier ones. Because clearly they weren't. The shows were too rushed, there wasn't as good a job of.paying attention to bookings, they didn't seem to make any concerted effort to find a replacement for Seat 5, and after awhile it just got tedious to watch.

Not to say that they were totally unwatchable, because that wasn't the case, but if I've got a choice between the 79-82 series and the earlier CBS episodes, I'm choosing the latter every time.

Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 30, 2014, 08:30:51 PM
It wasn't the format that didn't allow Gene to be goofy, it was Kline & Friends. They didn't want Gene to goof off and make jokes during what they intended to be a serious and suspenseful show, then blamed him for the show's poor ratings and kicked him out after 13 weeks.

Then why was there such a madcap endgame for the first fourteen or so weeks? Seems to me that if that's really what they wanted, they should've stuck with the endgame they introduced for Farago.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 30, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
But just because the people weren't picking Dawson is not a legitimate reason for thinking the later years of Match Game were better than the earlier ones.

Why not? Who are you to declare what's legitimate and what isn't?

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Because clearly they weren't.

Once again, you are confusing "your subjective opinion" and "irrefutable fact."

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but if I've got a choice between the 79-82 series and the earlier CBS episodes, I'm choosing the latter every time.

You absolutely have a right to that preference. The difference is that I'm not going to tell you it's wrong.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 30, 2014, 10:01:19 PM
But just because the people weren't picking Dawson is not a legitimate reason for thinking the later years of Match Game were better than the earlier ones.

Why not?

Because it has nothing to do with the quality of the programming, that's why.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on September 30, 2014, 10:27:53 PM
Because it has nothing to do with the quality of the programming, that's why.
Sure it does; it is boring to watch the same thing instead of different things.

You may not like Vahan's answer. I think it is right from Sillytown myself to say that his choice is based just on the Super Match. But that's his opinion and he does have a right to it, and more importantly (this is the part you seem to have a really hard time accepting) you don't have a right to dismiss someone else's position just because you deem it unworthy: and in this case in the face of quite a bit of evidence on the other side.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on September 30, 2014, 11:43:44 PM
Because it has nothing to do with the quality of the programming, that's why.
Sure it does; it is boring to watch the same thing instead of different things.

You may not like Vahan's answer. I think it is right from Sillytown myself to say that his choice is based just on the Super Match. But that's his opinion and he does have a right to it, and more importantly (this is the part you seem to have a really hard time accepting) you don't have a right to dismiss someone else's position just because you deem it unworthy: and in this case in the face of quite a bit of evidence on the other side.

I'll remember that the next time you are quick to dismiss somebody's opinion based on your opinion of their worth.

The game's still played the same way, isn't it? The Super Match is still played the same way, isn't it? Every day, the same way? Get more matches than your opponent, fill in blanks, what's different?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 30, 2014, 11:46:25 PM
Because it has nothing to do with the quality of the programming, that's why.

If Vahan (and myself, for that matter) enjoyed the show more with the Star Wheel and the randomized Head-To-Head pick, then that absolutely has to do with the quality of the programming. I too found the program to be of higher quality with that addition.

You are entitled to disagree. That is *all* you are entitled to.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on September 30, 2014, 11:49:08 PM
I'll remember that the next time you are quick to dismiss somebody's opinion based on your opinion of their worth.

And now you are conflagrating "dismiss somebody's opinion based on your opinion of their worth" with "giving two shiats what Chris Palmer thinks of any and all opinions I might have."
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 01, 2014, 12:00:18 AM
I'll remember that the next time you are quick to dismiss somebody's opinion based on your opinion of their worth.

And now you are conflagrating "dismiss somebody's opinion based on your opinion of their worth" with "giving two shiats what Chris Palmer thinks of any and all opinions I might have."

No, you're misinterpreting what I said as "another atttempt to claim my opinion's being dismissed because I said it". That's not what I said. What I said was that he shouldn't claim the high road in this case because he's been just as dismissive of people's opinions (especially Vahan's) based on merit as anyone else (even I've been guilty of it more times than I can count).

I also am not disagreeing with the addition of the Star Wheel because it added the randomness factor I like. What I AM disagreeing on is Vahan's underlying point that Dawson's departure was better for the show in the long run and I don't see how it did anything to hinder or help the show.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 01, 2014, 12:06:12 AM
Now that I think about it, maybe I should have made my point a bit clear. By that I mean saying that the addition of the star wheel was for the best.

That, and Dawson was on the panel during the first few weeks with said wheel.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 01, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
Now that I think about it, maybe I should have made my point a bit clear. By that I mean saying that the addition of the star wheel was for the best.

That, and Dawson was on the panel during the first few weeks with said wheel.

Now see, here's where I'm lost.

How long had the Star Wheel been in place before he left? I seem to remember the old set still being used when it debuted and I know Dawson was still on the show when they changed the set later in the year.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 01, 2014, 12:13:59 AM
He was on the first eight weeks with the Star Wheel in 1978.

On the fourth week with Star Wheel, the set changed. The last four weeks with Dawson on the panel were six-episode taping sessions (meaning they also each had a PM episode).

http://www.retrogameshows.com/matchgame/mg78.html

http://www.retrogameshows.com/matchgame/mgpm4.html
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 01, 2014, 01:11:43 PM
What I said was that he shouldn't claim the high road in this case because he's been just as dismissive of people's opinions (especially Vahan's) based on merit as anyone else (even I've been guilty of it more times than I can count).
Who's claiming what road?

There's a difference between disagreement and dismissal:

Vahan put out an opinion based on a scheduling change. I asked "Why do you have that opinion?" He plainly said "because (reason)." without taking up a defensive position. He did it exactly right, and perhaps unintentionally started an interesting conversation. Pertaining to this topic I've no beef with him, and I don't get where you're coming from.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 02, 2014, 01:36:01 PM
GSN ran a promo for the rarities on Sunday Oct. 5 at 9 pm EST.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on October 02, 2014, 02:45:05 PM
GSN ran a promo for the rarities on Sunday Oct. 5 at 9 pm EST.
Cool!  Did the promo make it sound like a one time deal?  (According to the pdf's, that seems to be the case with the exception of next Thursday).
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SRIV94 on October 02, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
I could've sworn somebody posted (but danged if I can find it) that Blockbusters has gone back to December 1981 and the SP episodes pick up where they left off with Betty White and G. Gordon Liddy.

Which brings up a question--there's an archived page on teh webz of a 1981 BB episode guide that has NBC skipping two weeks (going from 12/3/81, when today's first ep aired, to 12/18/81, when today's second episode aired).  Something seems wrong here.  Either NBC cobbled with two weeks of reruns, or the dates are way off (I think the 12/18/81 airdate is accurate--apparently that's the week with the Xmas tree).

Anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 02, 2014, 05:14:47 PM
I also noticed the episode guide for 1982 is off by one number (I.e finale was 372, not 371).
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 02, 2014, 05:40:00 PM
Speaking of episode guides:

I have PM'd Ian Wallis to let him know that I am compiling airdates and players' information for the episodes of Press Your Luck that GSN currently has the rights to.

I have also resumed work on the Super Password guide, which I will post here once I am done with it. The guide has been over 6 years in the making, and I am so happy to get back to working on it.

And last of all, I have resumed work on the Syndicated Sale of the Century episode guide.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chad1m on October 02, 2014, 06:16:42 PM
Here's the promo for what's being labeled the Tylenol Time Capsule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP5AZzXx0dg&list=UUTparG3LaC_RDcXgkMorytA
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SwohS Emag on October 03, 2014, 10:24:47 PM
Um, yeah, so...

Two episodes of the David Sparks version of Crosswits are scheduled to air on 10/26/14.

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/78149cbe-e1d2-4506-b10c-a3e786cf21e7
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 03, 2014, 10:28:41 PM
This version of Crosswits last aired on Family Channel, didn't it?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 03, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
This version of Crosswits last aired on Family Channel, didn't it?
There was a very obscure cable channel whose name escapes me...ATN or something. Crosswits aired there c. 1997-98.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 03, 2014, 11:08:46 PM
Also noticed they're moving into episodes of $25K Pyramid from November 1987 that they've shown before (even though they're marked as being new-to-GSN).
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 03, 2014, 11:14:40 PM
Also noticed they're moving into episodes of $25K Pyramid from November 1987 that they've shown before (even though they're marked as being new-to-GSN).

Greg, I noticed two episodes skipped (not that I'm complaining too much about it.) Did GSN show the Monday episode of the Alison La Placa & Tom Villard week in the past?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 03, 2014, 11:30:13 PM
Also noticed they're moving into episodes of $25K Pyramid from November 1987 that they've shown before (even though they're marked as being new-to-GSN).

Greg, I noticed two episodes skipped (not that I'm complaining too much about it.) Did GSN show the Monday episode of the Alison La Placa & Tom Villard week in the past?
No idea. The lone episode I have from that week in my collection is the Tuesday show, so that doesn't help. I've never seen any more than two episodes in anyone else's collections though, so it's quite possible that they skipped it in the early 2000s as well.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on October 03, 2014, 11:53:32 PM
Also noticed they're moving into episodes of $25K Pyramid from November 1987 that they've shown before (even though they're marked as being new-to-GSN).

Greg, I noticed two episodes skipped (not that I'm complaining too much about it.) Did GSN show the Monday episode of the Alison La Placa & Tom Villard week in the past?
No idea. The lone episode I have from that week in my collection is the Tuesday show, so that doesn't help. I've never seen any more than two episodes in anyone else's collections though, so it's quite possible that they skipped it in the early 2000s as well.
I taped those Pyramid episodes when they aired on GSN the last time, and I only have two in my collection.  I would have to go back and watch them to see if I can figure out which day they are.  So maybe the two skipped episodes are the ones that previously aired in the early 2000's.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on October 04, 2014, 12:01:59 AM
Also good to see that the Sale and Press leases are continuing without skips. :)

There was a very obscure cable channel whose name escapes me...ATN or something. Crosswits aired there c. 1997-98.
AIN (American Independent Network), and you have the dates right.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 04, 2014, 12:08:38 AM
I taped those Pyramid episodes when they aired on GSN the last time, and I only have two in my collection.  I would have to go back and watch them to see if I can figure out which day they are.  So maybe the two skipped episodes are the ones that previously aired in the early 2000's.
It was only a three day week (Thanksgiving) so now I'm really leaning toward them having skipped it before. The other one they're skipping is the Friday show of the previous week.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 04, 2014, 12:50:47 AM
There was a very obscure cable channel whose name escapes me...ATN or something. Crosswits aired there c. 1997-98.
AIN (American Independent Network), and you have the dates right.
Yes! Thank you!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 04, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
Some interesting things on the Card Sharks ep that was shown on Oct. 3. Lacey was telling everyone how to apply for a special children's week of shows. When Bob Eubanks cued her, she said "Thanks Bill." Apparently she thought it was the nighttime version with Rafferty. She knew she goofed right after she said it. Bob responded by saying "That's okay Vanna."

Also, they had an "educated guess" question" - How old is Dick Clark? IIRC, the answer was 58.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on October 04, 2014, 02:08:40 PM
There was a very obscure cable channel whose name escapes me...ATN or something. Crosswits aired there c. 1997-98.
AIN (American Independent Network), and you have the dates right.
Yes! Thank you!

Crosswits aired on that channel through 2001.  When I first moved to Salt Lake City, I ended up catching the last 12 episodes they aired before it was taken off.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 04, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
Two episodes of the David Sparks version of Crosswits are scheduled to air on 10/26/14.
So they are going alphabetical.  I'll take a wild stab and say "D" will be Doubletalk.

(Shame it's not the Jack Clark version.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SwohS Emag on October 04, 2014, 04:09:37 PM
Two episodes of the David Sparks version of Crosswits are scheduled to air on 10/26/14.
So they are going alphabetical.  I'll take a wild stab and say "D" will be Doubletalk.

(Shame it's not the Jack Clark version.)

The "evidence" that they are going alphabetical is STILL circumstantial, at best.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on October 04, 2014, 05:31:51 PM
Two episodes of the David Sparks version of Crosswits are scheduled to air on 10/26/14.
So they are going alphabetical.  I'll take a wild stab and say "D" will be Doubletalk.
Personally, I hope you are right!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 04, 2014, 05:32:52 PM
Pyramid80, did you check the copies of the La Placa & Villard episodes that you recorded to see if you really only got Tuesday and Wednesday?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on October 04, 2014, 06:04:17 PM
Pyramid80, did you check the copies of the La Placa & Villard episodes that you recorded to see if you really only got Tuesday and Wednesday?
I haven't yet, but will try and do that tomorrow.  Got to find the tape and hook up a VCR.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 04, 2014, 06:05:39 PM
Thank you for your help, pyramid80.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 04, 2014, 08:17:52 PM
Two episodes of the David Sparks version of Crosswits are scheduled to air on 10/26/14.
So they are going alphabetical. 

I have to admit, I am amused by this development.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: MikeK on October 04, 2014, 08:30:39 PM
Two episodes of the David Sparks version of Crosswits are scheduled to air on 10/26/14.
So they are going alphabetical. 

I have to admit, I am amused by this development.
Another common bond between the four shows is early game show appearances of comedy stars--Billy Crystal, Brad Garrett, Rosie O'Donnell, and Arsenio Hall.

If this is indeed alphabetical, why are we getting two C shows instead of a C and a D?  I'm also puzzled as to the three week gap between tomorrow night's shows and Crosswits.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on October 04, 2014, 08:55:03 PM
My guess is to account for missing Q and X?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 04, 2014, 09:05:53 PM
Except that there's lots of ways you could go to fill in Q.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: MikeK on October 04, 2014, 09:06:37 PM
My guess is to account for missing Q and X?
Quicksilver says "hey".

With a sample set of four shows spread out over three weeks, it's fun to speculate about what's going on.  That's all it is--speculation.  It could be alphabetical, it could be early appearances of comedians/actors/actresses, it could be none of the above.  It's just too early to tell.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 04, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
To play off the excellent point by my learned colleague, the fact that the time capsule kicks off with a celebrity gossip game show and a pilot that went to Nowheretown doesn't fill me with excitement. It would be a good idea to temper enthusiasm until we get more information.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 04, 2014, 10:23:20 PM
Another common bond between the four shows is early game show appearances of comedy stars--Billy Crystal, Brad Garrett, Rosie O'Donnell, and Arsenio Hall.

If I'm showing old celebrity games on my network, and I have some choice in the matter, you can bet that I'm going to look for celebrities that today's viewers will recognize.  I'm sure that has a lot more to do with the selections than any notion of going A to Z.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 04, 2014, 11:19:01 PM
Well I, for one, have run out of guesses on what exactly GSN is thinking (is it ever possible to guess that?) so I'm just going to enjoy whatever bones they throw us fans, intentionally or not.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on October 05, 2014, 05:47:44 PM
Pyramid80, did you check the copies of the La Placa & Villard episodes that you recorded to see if you really only got Tuesday and Wednesday?
The two episodes I have are the Tuesday and Wednesday shows.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 05, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
The two episodes I have are the Tuesday and Wednesday shows.

Thanks again for your help.

Well, in just three hours from now, come the first of two back-to-back rarities for October.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 05, 2014, 09:05:29 PM
Well one thing for sure... All Star Secrets isn't sourced from a broadcast quality tape.  Kinda looks like it came from a personal collection. Not any less watchable though.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 05, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
And what's with the "film look"?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on October 05, 2014, 09:35:40 PM
Well one thing for sure... All Star Secrets isn't sourced from a broadcast quality tape.  Kinda looks like it came from a personal collection. Not any less watchable though.

I myself was wondering how in the world they were able to track down an episode of this show &
you might be right. My eagle eyes caught a quick, colorful tracking line when they came back from there 3rd commercial break.

And what's with the "film look"?

Well, that same film look also showed up in some of the syndicated "$ale" reruns, no?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 05, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
Oddly, the copy of Babble on YT had slightly better framerate.

I wouldn't be surprise if all of these programs on this block came from Wink Martindale's collection.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Chief-O on October 05, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
Oddly, the copy of Babble on YT had slightly better framerate.

I wouldn't be surprise if all of these programs on this block came from Wink Martindale's collection.

I'd doubt that. Maybe the UCLA collection??? Both shows were definitely from non-broadcast-quality sources!

"Babble" wasn't too bad of a format; just a little slow-paced.

ETA: I know where they got the shows from!!! And if some of you hang out on Facebook, you'll know too.....
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 05, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 05, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
I hang out on Facebook, but I honestly do not know.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Pyramid80 on October 05, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
Great shows tonight!  First time I have watched GSN in prime time in years. 

Having never seen "All Star Secrets", I thought it was a pretty fun show. Loved the theme song too!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Allstar87 on October 05, 2014, 10:43:32 PM
One thing I noticed about this Secrets episode was the $1,500 sign in the last round...as far as I remember, the other four episodes on the circuit don't have that. The nametags looked different too.

Was great to see another episode...I love the theme song too. Hope it shows up in the clear someday. :)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Sodboy13 on October 05, 2014, 11:03:26 PM
That "$1500" was definitely added in post at *some* point, because those digits wouldn't have fit in the three-character, 5x7 eggcrate display.

Neither of these shows really appealed to me, but it's fascinating to see this "fringe" stuff appear on television. Hopefully the branding deal means it will continue for a good little while.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on October 05, 2014, 11:05:51 PM
Oddly, the copy of Babble on YT had slightly better framerate.

I wouldn't be surprise if all of these programs on this block came from Wink Martindale's collection.

I'd doubt that. Maybe the UCLA collection??? Both shows were definitely from non-broadcast-quality sources!

"Babble" wasn't too bad of a format; just a little slow-paced.

ETA: I know where they got the shows from!!! And if some of you hang out on Facebook, you'll know too.....

Does it rhyme with "BlinkInc." by any chance?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 05, 2014, 11:07:26 PM
It is not.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on October 05, 2014, 11:14:38 PM
I was thinking John Ricci Jr., since he seems to be where most of the super-rare stuff comes from.

If it's not him, then who/what?

(EDIT: Adam Nedeff (http://www.facebook.com/adam.nedeff/posts/10153212603673102), with Matt O. converting the tapes to a format GSN can use. Also, turns out about 40 episodes of All Star Secrets exist.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 06, 2014, 01:26:28 AM
(EDIT: Adam Nedeff (http://www.facebook.com/adam.nedeff/posts/10153212603673102), with Matt O. converting the tapes to a format GSN can use. Also, turns out about 40 episodes of All Star Secrets exist.)

That's too bad. But as far as I know, it depended on the producer, not the network. Hill & Eubanks saw no rerun value in the show, so they let NBC destroy the original masters.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 06, 2014, 03:31:20 AM
(EDIT: Adam Nedeff (http://www.facebook.com/adam.nedeff/posts/10153212603673102), with Matt O. converting the tapes to a format GSN can use. Also, turns out about 40 episodes of All Star Secrets exist.)

That's too bad. But as far as I know, it depended on the producer, not the network. Hill & Eubanks saw no rerun value in the show, so they let NBC destroy the original masters.

That's the first I've ever heard of this.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 06, 2014, 01:26:55 PM
I enjoyed watching Secrets and Babble. I can't remember the last time I saw Abbe Labe on anything. Babble was slow paced, but I liked the "surprise" celeb guest at the end.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SRIV94 on October 06, 2014, 01:46:38 PM
I enjoyed watching Secrets and Babble. I can't remember the last time I saw Abbe Labe on anything.

Abbe Labe's never been on anything.  Now Abbe Lane, on the other hand, . . .    8)

/Lane did HSq a few times.  Also did a week of GONG in 1977.
//Sorry, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 06, 2014, 02:06:52 PM
Oops, I did it again.  :) I also see that according to Wiki (yeah, I know), Abbe was married to Xavier Cugat, so she and Charo have something in common. Abbe, however, was of legal age when she said "I do" to Cugie.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 06, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
Abbe Lane was also on Funny You Should Ask. There's a picture of her, with several other celebrities on that show in The Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows.

Other Game Show credits of her's include What's My Line and The All New All Star Beat the Clock.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on October 06, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
Abbe Lane was also on Funny You Should Ask. There's a picture of her, with several other celebrities on that show in The Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows.

Other Game Show credits of her's include What's My Line and The All New All Star Beat the Clock.

She was also on a first season episode of "The Brady Bunch" playing someone who wanted Mike to design a cosmetic factory for her.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on October 06, 2014, 03:48:08 PM
She was also on, with Xavier Cugat, Make The Connection with Gene Rayburn and Place The Face with Bill Cullen.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Ian Wallis on October 07, 2014, 08:54:32 AM
Babble was OK but I really enjoyed All-Star Secrets.  Whenever I was home from school back then I watched it...that is, until Whew! came along in the same time slot.  Glad to hear 40 episodes or so exist...maybe we'll see a bit more of it eventually.

Wasn't Eubanks a bit of a jerk at times?  In the Jamie Farr UFO story, he immediately turned up his nose and said "I don't believe in flying saucers" - as if to discredit the story.  Nice way to treat a guest!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 07, 2014, 12:15:23 PM
Wasn't Eubanks a bit of a jerk at times? 
Some times?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 08, 2014, 09:51:28 PM
The rarities bombed, according to this site:

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/sunday-final-ratings-mulaney-doa/
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 08, 2014, 10:01:51 PM
The rarities bombed, according to this site:

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/sunday-final-ratings-mulaney-doa/

Is 117,000 really a bomb for GSN, especially considering they drew 80k for an unsold pilot? I would call that a success, look what it was up against.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on October 08, 2014, 10:36:35 PM
I guess for some perspective, what does GSN usually pull in this time slot?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 08, 2014, 11:36:14 PM
Is 117,000 really a bomb for GSN, especially considering they drew 80k for an unsold pilot? I would call that a success, look what it was up against.
Like Mark, I'd be somewhat curious what GSN usually draws on a Sunday night.  But just seeing how much lower those numbers are compared to every single one of the others on that chart suggests that this might have been a bust.

(I am amused that Showtime drew ten times as many people an hour later for an interstitial break.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chad1m on October 09, 2014, 07:09:47 AM
It just concerns me that these were on the schedule with no on-air context. We know what significance they hold, but regular viewers go from a Let's Ask America rerun to a random 1979 game show with no reason why. A quick bumper before each show saying "hey, these haven't been seen in 35 years/ever before" might have helped explain why viewers may want to stick around.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on October 09, 2014, 02:34:31 PM
Can't wait for Crosswits! Loved that show!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 09, 2014, 09:47:16 PM
Looks like updated PDFs for this week and next week are at Casey's blog. Only change I've noticed so far is that Let's Ask America is off Sunday nights. (It and the 8PM hour of Baggage are replaced with Harvey Feud.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 09, 2014, 10:16:22 PM
There are a lot more, in short: http://gameshownetworknews.blogspot.com/2014/10/new-gsn-schedules-for-october-12-and-13.html
Or you could have just told us.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 09, 2014, 10:18:31 PM
There are a lot more, in short: http://gameshownetworknews.blogspot.com/2014/10/new-gsn-schedules-for-october-12-and-13.html
Or you could have just told us.

But that would've been the sane thing to do. Lego Yank don't play dat.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 09, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
And they actually want viewers.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 09, 2014, 10:26:01 PM
There are a lot more, in short: http://gameshownetworknews.blogspot.com/2014/10/new-gsn-schedules-for-october-12-and-13.html
Or you could have just told us.

There is a lot, especially October 18th & 19th. But here:

 *copy and paste*

I don't know if that was an invitation to do so.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on October 09, 2014, 10:27:29 PM
And they actually want viewers.

Weekend block scheduling? Works for TV Land...
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 09, 2014, 10:36:17 PM
I don't know if that was an invitation to do so.
No, but I know. Cut and paste notwithstanding, I did want to know, and now I know that I don't need to bother if they're airing Harvey Feud, Baggage and Love Triangle.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 09, 2014, 10:46:06 PM
So Let's Ask America is only in overnights on weekdays now. Makes it appear GSN wasn't happy with how it was doing in the more visible timeslots.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on October 10, 2014, 10:57:00 AM
The day that viewer malaise finally sets in for Steve Harvey's Outraged at Penis Jokes is going to be a *great* day.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 10, 2014, 01:40:05 PM
On Thursday Oct 9 when they were about to repeat Babble, the GSN promo said to stay tuned for another episode of Let's Ask America. Someone didn't read the memo.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: weaklink75 on October 10, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
I actually forgot about the special stuff on Sunday- thought it was this coming week instead of last week. Did DVR the Thursday airing though...
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on October 11, 2014, 01:23:10 AM
Is CrossWits this Sunday or something different?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on October 11, 2014, 01:26:34 AM
Cross-Wits is on the 26th. At least for now, there's no special programming on the 12th or 19th.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Johnissoevil on October 11, 2014, 11:04:42 AM
I remember in 2000 we used to complain about them airing The Newlywed Game at least 7 times a day, but man, that was tame compared to the amount of Harvey Feud they're airing.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Jimmy Owen on October 11, 2014, 11:14:12 AM
I remember in 2000 we used to complain about them airing The Newlywed Game at least 7 times a day, but man, that was tame compared to the amount of Harvey Feud they're airing.

You gotta strike while the iron's hot.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: cyclone45 on October 11, 2014, 07:00:28 PM
Thanks Dan. I don't wanna miss Cross-Wits...had one epi on a Certon-T120 way back when.

/have no idea why I remember the brand of the tape
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: beatlefreak84 on October 12, 2014, 02:30:08 AM
I just did some quick math, and it looks like GSN's schedule, pending the changes listed become permanent, now consists of 48 hours/week of Harvey Feud.

If you take out paid programming, that means about 35% of GSN's active schedule is just Harvey Feud.  If you include O'Hurley's version, then about 39% of GSN's active schedule is some form of Family Feud.

I know it's their top-rated "rerun", but, wowee...talk about putting all of your eggs in one basket!  Even if the basket is cheap, I can't see this being a viable strategy forever.

\just glad weekday mornings are still decent
\\I'm honestly shocked there isn't a Steve Harvey Network...or is GSN planning on an identity change?

Anthony
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 13, 2014, 07:29:18 PM
Noticed the PDF for the week of October 20 has updated. Changes from the previous week carry over, the two episodes of 25K Pyramid noted as being skipped have been reinstated, and the Crosswits hour on 10/26 has moved to 11pm ET.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Jamey Greek on October 14, 2014, 12:22:59 AM
And I heard from a friend who frequents the game show follies board that Second Chance will be coming to the Time Capsule.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: gamed121683 on October 14, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
And I heard from a friend who frequents the game show follies board that Second Chance will be coming to the Time Capsule.

Assuming this source is correct, we can finally put the "alphabetical order" theory to rest.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: MikeK on October 14, 2014, 09:04:02 AM
And I heard from a friend who frequents the game show follies board that Second Chance will be coming to the Time Capsule.
Proof or Not Real, and proof can't be a link to someone's speculation on what is Casey Abell's blog.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 14, 2014, 09:12:42 AM
And speaking of which, someone on Casey Abell''s blog said to mark his words, that Harvey Feud will find a place on the weekday schedule before Noon.

Yeah, like I'm really gonna believe that.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BillCullen1 on October 15, 2014, 10:26:42 AM
And speaking of which, someone on Casey Abell''s blog said to mark his words, that Harvey Feud will find a place on the weekday schedule before Noon.

Yeah, like I'm really gonna believe that.

Hey, if GSN thinks it'll get ratings, they might try it.
I take it that Karn's Feud is completely off GSN's current schedule.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SwohS Emag on October 15, 2014, 11:02:00 AM
I echo those who send their compliments to GSN for airing classics for us.  While we all many of us yearn for a GSN of the past (even one that shows Eubanks Newlywed Game 7x per day), having anything at all is a thrill.  Just look at what we have:

-a $25,000 pyramid lease that hasn't been seen since the mid-90s or early-00s, depending on which part of it we're talking about.
-a Press Your Luck lease that hasn't been seen since the early-90s.  (Or is it late-80s?)
-a Sale of the Century lease that hasn't been seen since the early-90s.

For many of us, the early-90s were a time when we were too young to really comprehend what we were watching, so it is a refreshing change.

The Time Capsules are the "lagniappe."

And IdioTest is really not all that bad - a clever concept with an interesting execution.  Plus, they haven't given up on Shiny Floor Games - with the Chase and the Line on the way soon.

It's a very good network - and this is, all things considered, a really good era for game shows.  Be appreciative.

EDIT:  Edited the "absolute" statement above to a "relative" one to appease any dissenters.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 15, 2014, 11:03:57 AM
While we all yearn for a GSN of the past (even one that shows Eubanks Newlywed Game 7x per day), having anything at all is a thrill.

Do not speak for everyone. Not everyone wants a GSN of the past.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 15, 2014, 11:08:46 AM
Do not speak for everyone. Not everyone wants a GSN of the past.

Of all of the "do not speak for everyones" I have seen, uttered, and otherwise been involved with, this one seems the least appropriate. I literally cannot think of a single era of GSN programming (and we're going back to Day One) that wouldn't appeal to someone here, or at the absolute MINIMUM be considered superlative to 48 hours a week of Steve Harvey's Dick Jokes.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 15, 2014, 11:10:36 AM
And what I find hypocritical is all the "Fun for the Whole Family" promos GSN would run.

When I think of something that is "Fun for the Whole Family", I do not think of, like you said, Steve Harvey's dirty jokes.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 15, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
And what I find hypocritical is all the "Fun for the Whole Family" promos GSN would run.

What does that have to do with your "do not speak for everyone" statement?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 15, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
Nothing. It was in response to you saying something about Harvey's dick jokes.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 15, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
Um, ok then.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 15, 2014, 12:41:13 PM
While we all yearn for a GSN of the past (even one that shows Eubanks Newlywed Game 7x per day), having anything at all is a thrill.

Do not speak for everyone. Not everyone wants a GSN of the past.
He can speak for me then. This era is better than what they were offering c. 2000-01, but I could do without the constant airings of Phallic Pheud just like I could've done without the numerous airings of Newlywed Game back then.

I know it will never be perfect to my preferences, but I wouldn't mind seeing a few more offerings from about 15 years ago. No need to play Forum Police.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 15, 2014, 12:44:45 PM
Do not speak for everyone. Not everyone wants a GSN of the past.
And this is why it is dangerous to repeat memes when they may not be applicable.


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He can speak for me then. This era is better than what they were offering c. 2000-01, but I could do without the constant airings of Phallic Pheud just like I could've done without the numerous airings of Newlywed Game back then.

I know it will never be perfect to my preferences, but I wouldn't mind seeing a few more offerings from about 15 years ago. No need to play Forum Police.
2000-01 was when we had some decent originals, lots of the good old stuff. Yes, we have The Chase, but we also have Baggage and Love Triangle and innumerable poorly-thought and soon-to-be-gone programs, and quite a lot of Inappropriate Feud.

There's a reason I'm not in a hurry to sign up for the higher tier again even with Sale of the Century on in the mornings.

(Edit: Changed "tie" to "tier.")
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 15, 2014, 01:14:15 PM
Summer 2002 was one of my favorite eras for the network, outside of the first five years. It was a nice mix of solid originals, the "Breakfast with the Stars" marathons, and evening marathons (Loved Pyramid Thursdays!). What we have now is okay, but like you said, not enough to get me to subscribe.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 15, 2014, 02:19:42 PM
The Chase all by itself pardons a LOT of GSN sins, and Idiotest is turning into a fun goof.  Like the majority of us here, I don't care for the relationship shows, but they are competently made.  Thanks to the phenomenon of DVR default, I find myself turning on the TV and finding it tuned to GSN a lot now, and that hasn't happened in a long time.

Yes, an overreliance on one consistent performer is lazy programming (ALL DAY on Saturday?  Really?), but when you want to stay in the top 50 of a 500 channel universe, it's a necessary evil.  They still give us fun classics in the morning, and even though the first effort of the Time Capsule seems to have been watched by a statistically insignificant number of people, it's a nice thing to do for the fans and they don't appear to have entirely given up on it.  This is not a bad time at all for GSN.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on October 15, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
It's also important to remember that GSN is nearly 20 years old - by comparison's sake, when the channel launched, episodes of MG '74 were themselves 20 years old at that point. I'm 40, and of the shows I enjoy most, the '70s and '80s ones were what I was most excited to see on GSN at launch. Someone who is 20 now, may favor shows from the '90s and 2000s. It's all a matter of personal preference.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Ian Wallis on October 16, 2014, 05:32:58 PM
I recently upgraded my digital cable package to get GSN again - first time in about 10 years since the C-band days I've had it.  Since this past Monday was a holiday, I spent my morning watching Card Sharks, Press Your Luck, Sale of the Century and $25,000 Pyramid...then watched Price is Right on CBS.  It was a very enjoyable morning and I hope GSN will always have a place for those morning classics.

Are they as good as they were in the first 5 years?  No, but I agree with the others that it's a nice period we're in right now.

Who knows...maybe they'll give us some additional surprises for their 20th anniversary.  Still hoping for something like Break the Bank '76 to pop up again sometime!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Winkfan on October 20, 2014, 02:40:37 AM
You know, it appears that GSN keeps changing its schedules every two weeks; or something to that effect.

As for STYD now history on GSN, I knew they should have started it with the original Lifetime run.

Cordially,
Tammy
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on October 20, 2014, 10:30:46 AM
As for STYD now history on GSN, I knew they should have started it with the original Lifetime run.
Your personal wants and needs do not equal solid business strategy.

SWAK!!!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 20, 2014, 11:21:57 AM
You know, it appears that GSN keeps changing its schedules every two weeks; or something to that effect.
No more than any other cable network nowadays. I think the days of consistent cable programming are long gone, and that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world.

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As for STYD now history on GSN, I knew they should have started it with the original Lifetime run.
Doubt it would've made any difference. No one outside of this board would realize the difference between the Lifetime, Family Channel* or PAX versions. They more likely would've said, "Oh, hey it's that cheesy game show from the 90s set in a mall! I remember this one..." Mark's right; this one sounds like a personal fan gripe.

*/Even if it WAS called The New Shop Til You Drop
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: tvmitch on October 20, 2014, 11:53:34 AM
Doubt it would've made any difference. No one outside of this board would realize the difference between the Lifetime, Family Channel* or PAX versions. They more likely would've said, "Oh, hey it's that cheesy game show from the 90s set in a mall! I remember this one..." Mark's right; this one sounds like a personal fan gripe.

*/Even if it WAS called The New Shop Til You Drop
I'm as big a fan of the genre as the next guy but I couldn't identify the differences between STYD versions at all. You would have had me there.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 20, 2014, 12:11:30 PM
And that's exactly what I mean. They could've aired any version of the show - even the Costco version with J.D. Roberto - and people either would've watched it or not. The network it aired on wouldn't have made the slightest difference. Outside of subtle cosmetic differences, I wouldn't be able to tell too many differences either, except for maybe music or announcer changes.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 20, 2014, 12:28:17 PM
Your personal wants and needs do not equal solid business strategy.
She didn't stake the claim that they were, though if you get enough "personal wants and needs" to dump a cable tier, it suddenly becomes an unsolid business strategy.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on October 20, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
Your personal wants and needs do not equal solid business strategy.
She didn't stake the claim that they were, though if you get enough "personal wants and needs" to dump a cable tier, it suddenly becomes an unsolid business strategy.
[/quote]She certainly implied it by stating she "knew" they should have aired earlier episodes thereby keeping it on the schedule.

Almost every time someone comes on here and complains about about a particular season of a classic airing on GSN its usually derived from something they personally want to see.  Unless its something egregious they usually don't hold much merit.
/lol Seahawks
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 20, 2014, 12:40:46 PM
Interesting, because the tone of your post comes off as mocking rather than informing, and when you couple that with the off-topic throwaway it sounds like you were attempting to poke fun at someone rather than to explain your side of an issue.  (And frankly I've heard plenty enough of your thoughts on economics, but that's another issue entirely.)

/is that what "Get over it Seattle" is supposed to mean? Because it makes no sense at all standing by itself.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 20, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
/lol Seahawks

Yep, the Seahawks lost. And you're Mark Odor.

They can practice.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 20, 2014, 04:49:45 PM
/lol Seahawks

Yep, the Seahawks lost. And you're Mark Odor.

They can practice.

Ouch.

And also, Mark was a blocked field goal away from being "lol Pats"...if the Jets had a legit QB. But I digress.

Here's the thing: if people want to watch the show, they'll watch it. There was virtually no difference between the Lifetime series, the Family Channel series, and the first PAX series. And this is the one part of Mark's statement I agreed with (and Tammy's statement did imply that she felt the original would've performed better): just because we want to see something doesn't mean GSN is going to listen to us. If they did, the schedule would be nothing but classics and that can get a little boring. Gotta have a little variety. (Although handing over most of the schedule to the current Feud isn't really variety.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 20, 2014, 04:59:25 PM
If they did, the schedule would be nothing but classics and that can get a little boring. Gotta have a little variety.
I beg your pardon, sir. :)

/and yes, the Harvey Feud-a-thons undercut the idea of variety, unless you meant it in a time-oriented fashion as opposed to a single day or week schedule fashion.

As the series went on, STYD relied more on "get four out of seven right" and "is this thing $x or $y" chromed up in yet another fashion, and the games felt much more repetitive than in they did in the early days. Yes, the head-mounted vacuum game looked weird, but no moreso than anything Beat the Clock did, and it made for a nice change of pace from games about pop culture and shopping.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on October 20, 2014, 05:53:46 PM
/lol Seahawks

Yep, the Seahawks lost. And you're Mark Odor.

They can practice.
And you're Chris Lemon.  I hear Olivia Benson has some job openings for detectives.
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/is that what "Get over it Seattle" is supposed to mean? Because it makes no sense at all standing by itself.
It means I think its high time that people got the hell over losing the Sonics to Oklahoma City.  Plenty of y'all seem to be salty about that years after the fact.  Maybe some of that energy could be used to elect politicians that won't help lead to this country going down the tubes.




Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 20, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
It means I think its high time that people got the hell over losing the Sonics to Oklahoma City.
Oh. Well, tough.

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Plenty of y'all seem to be salty about that years after the fact.  Maybe some of that energy could be used to elect politicians that won't help lead to this country going down the tubes.
I'm doing the best I can; King County sent me only one ballot.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 20, 2014, 06:09:59 PM
It means I think its high time that people got the hell over losing the Sonics to Oklahoma City.  Plenty of y'all seem to be salty about that years after the fact.
I'm going to break this down into a much simpler scenario. You're prolly going to dismiss it as apples and oranges, but I guarantee you it's more similar than you think.

I steal your girlfriend...the love of your life. Someone you gave your all too. She and I get married, have kids, and live happily ever after. And I rub your nose in it by broadcasting it everywhere I can. Tell me you wouldn't be salty about that? Now, liken that to Seattle's situation and see how telling someone to "get the hell over" being betrayed and lied to is not only not as easy as you think, but also condescending as hell. You have this tendency to play Armchair Judge, where you love trying to police how people get to feel and look down your nose because they don't live up to your seal of approval.

Putting this back on a pro sports level, the city of Baltimore is still pissed about losing the Colts 30 years ago, and they've had a new team for the last two decades. Said team's won Super Bowls* and they're still upset about the way the team was taken from them. Hell, my city's been used as a pawn about a half-dozen times**, mainly for leverage deal to get a better arena/stadium in the team's home city, and I'm pissed over that!

Should we just get the hell over it? Yeah, they've got rings, but you don't think the dirty pool is not still fresh in their minds?

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Maybe some of that energy could be used to elect politicians that won't help lead to this country going down the tubes.
This has nothing to do with anything. Leave your politics out of the discussion, for once.

*Leave Ray Lewis out of the discussion. We know his story.
**Eff the Maloofs
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 20, 2014, 06:15:24 PM
Gentlemen:

We are blowing up one very small "lol Seahawks" from a very small man into a very big thing.

I suggest we leave it alone and let the small man be small.

/small
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 21, 2014, 01:36:48 AM
Let's not forget Baltimore resolved having their team taken from them by stealing another city's team.

But Brandon does make a very legit point. Unless you've been there, you don't understand. And if you don't understand, you can't simply say "just get over it" and be okay. There's stuff I'm not over in my life, especially the fact that there's a guy in prison serving four years for murdering someone all because he was high on dope and late for his treatment.

That's all I'm gonna say about it. Perhaps getting on topic is the best way to proceed.

(ETA: but before I do...

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And you're Chris Lemon.  I hear Olivia Benson has some job openings for detectives.

I don't get it.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on October 22, 2014, 10:25:19 AM
The advance schedule's now up for November 3-9, and the Sale and Press leases are still going strong with no skips. :)

Relevant quote:
Wait, GSN has access to the first syndicated season of Sale of the Century? Oh, lordy, this could be embarrassing...
Mark your calendars for November 4! :D

(EDIT: That's all correct, Vahan.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 22, 2014, 10:31:59 AM
According to the people I heard from on Chuck Donegan's Facebook page, who said they have the finale of the first Syndicated season, it ended with Tim Holleran's first of 8 shows. His 2nd-8th games were the first 7 shows of season 2.

The cash jackpot on Matt Ottinger's episode was $78,000, and $83,000-$90,000 on Tim Holleran's episodes.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 23, 2014, 11:43:03 AM
I was watching $25,000 Pyramid, and they showed a promo for the upcoming double airing of The New Crosswits.

Unlike All-Star Secrets and Babble, they looked great. None of the "faux film" quality.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 23, 2014, 12:21:47 PM
You said New Crosswits and not Crosswits, right? Because that makes a bit of difference as to whether I'm impressed or I laugh at what the network is doing.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 23, 2014, 12:27:14 PM
You said New Crosswits and not Crosswits, right? Because that makes a bit of difference as to whether I'm impressed or I laugh at what the network is doing.

What's wrong, Travis? You hate the fact that some people may like the new version of the show?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 23, 2014, 12:38:16 PM
No, but that's a lovely straw man you've built there.

If putting words into the mouth of another isn't against the rules, it should be.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: tpirfan28 on October 23, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
You said New Crosswits and not Crosswits, right?
It's the Sparks version, so yes, boo on that.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 23, 2014, 12:57:34 PM
You said New Crosswits and not Crosswits, right? Because that makes a bit of difference as to whether I'm impressed or I laugh at what the network is doing.

What's wrong, Travis? You hate the fact that some people may like the new version of the show?

Not again, Vahan...
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 23, 2014, 02:12:13 PM
You said New Crosswits and not Crosswits, right? Because that makes a bit of difference as to whether I'm impressed or I laugh at what the network is doing.

What's wrong, Travis? You hate the fact that some people may like the new version of the show?
He asked a simple question. He wasn't attacking you.

According to Buzzerblog, it's an episode with Rosie O'Donnell and Arsenio Hall. I remember the latter making several appearances...didn't realize Rosie did the show.

It wasn't a terrible show, but a far, far cry from the Jack Clark version, and David seemed uneasy at times. That said, I love that GSN trotted out another rarity.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 23, 2014, 02:24:20 PM
He asked a simple question. He wasn't attacking you.
That's right; I was asking which version of Crosswits it would be. Given that it's from 86 I don't care overmuch, they can do what they want and the "Before They Were Stars" might get them some eyeballs, but I prefer Clark to Sparks in a rout.

The fact that Vahan couldn't deal with the fact that I asked him a question says everything about his own state and nothing of my own.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2014, 03:26:38 PM
I like how the Charter Cable TV listings say it is the Jack Clark version.

Similar to when the revival first came out in 1986. TV Guide listed it as the Clark version.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2014, 09:27:47 PM
Question: Why is GSN acting like The New Crosswits from the 1980's was Arsenio Hall's game show debut?

Do they know about The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour?

Where are the original master tapes for MGHS?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 26, 2014, 09:33:52 PM
Question: Why is GSN acting like The New Crosswits from the 1980's was Arsenio Hall's game show debut?

Do they know about The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour?

Where are the original master tapes for MGHS?

You know that the issue with MGHS doesn't have to do with the episodes existing, right?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
I am aware of that, but are the tapes in Fremantle's hands, or MGM's hands? Which of the two companies is it?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 26, 2014, 10:06:59 PM
I am aware of that, but are the tapes in Fremantle's hands, or MGM's hands? Which of the two companies is it?

Who's to say either have them, and did MGM regain the Squares rights? I was under the impression that CBS still had them.

If that's all you were asking, Vahan, it certainly didn't look like it at first. Came off like you were demanding GSN get them.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jjman920 on October 26, 2014, 10:13:02 PM
It shouldn't be surprising that the guide has the wrong information. There have been incorrect guide listings in the past few years that listed Bill Cullen as the host of The Price Is Right and Chuck Woolery as the host of Wheel of Fortune.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on October 26, 2014, 10:18:32 PM
Question: Why is GSN acting like The New Crosswits from the 1980's was Arsenio Hall's game show debut?

Do they know about The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour?

Where are the original master tapes for MGHS?
1) Did they actually say it's his first game show?
2) Even if they did, who cares? My guess is GSN wasn't aware of it, and even if so, no one outside of this forum is going to recognize the difference. They've prolly never even heard of Crosswits or knew that someone decided to merge two classic game shows from the 1970s.

It's really not a big deal...just sit back and enjoy the rare show, and not try to find minutae in all this.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 26, 2014, 10:36:48 PM
Forgive what will sound like piling on and gird your loins for the inevitable backlash, but how does GSN" act like" something is someone's first game show appearance? Are they billing it as such on ads or bumpers?

I'd forgive them for not remembering every single appearance that somebody made but I'm also not most people.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 26, 2014, 11:21:13 PM
Forgive what will sound like piling on and gird your loins for the inevitable backlash, but how does GSN" act like" something is someone's first game show appearance? Are they billing it as such on ads or bumpers?

I'd forgive them for not remembering every single appearance that somebody made but I'm also not most people.
Yes, they have been promoting it that way. They've also said it's the first time Crosswits has aired anywhere in 20 years, which we've already said isn't the case in this very thread (though I guess 16 is kind of close.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 26, 2014, 11:21:55 PM
Came off like you were demanding GSN get them.

I really didn't see that at all.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2014, 11:48:25 PM
I just remembered that they touted Billy Crystal's appearance on All-Star Secrets in June 1979 as his first game show appearance, when he had been previously been on two different weeks of The $20,000 Pyramid, one of which aired on GSN in the past. But like Brandon said, "who cares".

Anyways, I enjoyed both Crosswits episodes. I even found myself playing along with the game. Though I don't if GSN could get anymore "Celebrity GS firsts". This will probably be their last.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 26, 2014, 11:50:52 PM
I've only seen a few episodes of both versions of the show, but I noticed the celebrities would often attempt to act witty and funny, before actually attempting to guess the correct answer. When original creator Ralph Edwards helmed the program during the 1970's, did he want comedy in it?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on October 26, 2014, 11:53:57 PM
Forgive what will sound like piling on and gird your loins for the inevitable backlash, but how does GSN" act like" something is someone's first game show appearance? Are they billing it as such on ads or bumpers?

I'd forgive them for not remembering every single appearance that somebody made but I'm also not most people.
Yes, they have been promoting it that way. They've also said it's the first time Crosswits has aired anywhere in 20 years, which we've already said isn't the case in this very thread (though I guess 16 is kind of close.)

But what network doesn't do that? They're gonna say whatever they feel is going to get eyeballs on the product and those who are interested will watch and those who aren't will find something else to watch.

Like all those "new" episodes of off-network stuff Adult Swim gets, or at least most of them. I believe they did air some episodes of The Oblongs and Mission Hill that didn't make it to air before those two shows were cancelled, off the tippy top of my head. But most of those episodes are just new stuff added to the already existing package.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 27, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
When original creator Ralph Edwards helmed the program during the 1970's, did he want comedy in it?
Since we're not Ralph we can't say for sure but I'm guessing that the celebrities were there to be famous and charming and to help out and to talk through their guess for each word because they could have two people playing the game, or related pairs and they don't have to pay scale to four celebrities who have a movie or TV show to plug.

/I guess Ralph did steer the running of the program, didn't he.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 27, 2014, 11:56:04 AM
I just remembered that they touted Billy Crystal's appearance on All-Star Secrets in June 1979 as his first game show appearance, when he had been previously been on two different weeks of The $20,000 Pyramid, one of which aired on GSN in the past. But like Brandon said, "who cares".

Frankly, I do, and I don't begrudge others who care as well.  I don't like that we've gotten so lax as a society that we can just state "facts" and not worry about whether they're true.  (And I'm not even talking about political ads, which are a different issue entirely.)  If GSN is calling these appearances "first" and they're not, that's simply wrong, and shouldn't happen.  There are plenty of amateur historians, including at least two I know that work for the company, who could set them straight, plus I imagine IMDB has it right.  GSN either knew they were wrong and didn't care, since most of their audience wouldn't know, or they were lazy and didn't check.  Either way. it makes me think less of them.

/Not as much, though as when I see the banners saying that more Family Feud's (yes, apostrophe 's') are coming up.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on October 27, 2014, 12:15:24 PM
I just remembered that they touted Billy Crystal's appearance on All-Star Secrets in June 1979 as his first game show appearance, when he had been previously been on two different weeks of The $20,000 Pyramid, one of which aired on GSN in the past.
It's even more facepalm-inducing since the "50 Greatest Game Shows" series aired an episode from the Crystal/Sal Viscuso week that had Dick showing the clip of Billy's 26-second Winner's Circle run from late '77, and Bil Dwyer noted that the episode said clip came from no longer existed.

/Not as much, though as when I see the banners saying that more Family Feud's (yes, apostrophe 's') are coming up.
Hey, at least it's not "Family Fued's". :)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SRIV94 on October 28, 2014, 08:58:49 AM
Just FYI--Matt's ep airs one week from today.  Be there.  Aloha.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on October 29, 2014, 07:16:25 AM
And along with that, GSN's put out their advance schedules for November 10-16.

Sale's going into Season 2. :)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: rwalker on October 29, 2014, 01:06:18 PM
And along with that, GSN's put out their advance schedules for November 10-16.

Sale's going into Season 2. :)

AWESOME!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on October 29, 2014, 06:37:42 PM
And along with that, GSN's put out their advance schedules for November 10-16.

Sale's going into Season 2. :)

Plus, Christmas week 1985 of Press Your Luck is a go.  I think the way things are going on the Press Your Luck front, I think we will likely be starting the 1986 era of the series before Thanksgiving.  And I think we will likely be seeing the GSN debuts of the Willie Nelson, Barbershop Quartet, Bicycle, Ben Franklin, and/or Liberace Whammies before we enter December.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on October 29, 2014, 06:44:19 PM
Do they know about The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour?

Where are the original master tapes for MGHS?

I think I remember someone mentioning on Facebook one time that the issue is not just involving ownership conflict, but also Gene Rayburn's refusal to clear his appearances due to his bad relationship with Jon Bauman, and I am sure Gene's estate is respecting his wishes.  Could someone please clarify?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 29, 2014, 06:49:41 PM
It's been often claimed that the reason USA skipped over most of the December 1985 episodes of Press Your Luck was due to the promoting of the timeslot change. If that's actually true, then that's a pretty illogical reason. USA had no problem airing the episodes of Scrabble with Chuck Woolery promoting the timeslot change.

I wouldn't be surprised if USA also skipped the December 16-20, 1985 episodes of PYL. There had been no information on them in older episode guides. But all that will change within the next several days.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on October 29, 2014, 06:55:59 PM
Maybe USA's decision to not air episodes that promoted the time slot change probably had Peter mention that Card Sharks was moving into Press Your Luck's former time slot.  But keep in mind that this claim, along with other claims, are just claims on their parts.

This is just speculation on my part, but I think the reason why USA never aired clusters of episodes from the run was probably because of USA picking up the rights to about 50 or so episodes at a time and getting fresh episodes every 6 months, and if this is true, then that may explain why there were periods from the run that never aired on USA Network (including the first 11 episodes, May and early June 1984, multiple weeks from March 1986, the final month of the series, etc.).  I think GSN is taking much better care of Press Your Luck than USA did.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SwohS Emag on October 29, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
I think the reason why USA never aired clusters of episodes from the run was probably because of USA picking up the rights to about 50 or so episodes at a time and getting fresh episodes every 6 months

Is it true that GSN never aired #771-775 of $25,000 Pyramid?  They got up to 770 and then jumped straight to the 1987 episodes.  Several years ago, I believe GSN started their 1985-86 lease with #776. 
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: snowpeck on October 29, 2014, 09:20:52 PM
I think the reason why USA never aired clusters of episodes from the run was probably because of USA picking up the rights to about 50 or so episodes at a time and getting fresh episodes every 6 months

Is it true that GSN never aired #771-775 of $25,000 Pyramid?  They got up to 770 and then jumped straight to the 1987 episodes.  Several years ago, I believe GSN started their 1985-86 lease with #776.
No, they aired 771-775 numerous times (that was the first week of the 85-86 lease, Markie Post & Charles Siebert.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: SwohS Emag on October 29, 2014, 09:42:34 PM
I think the reason why USA never aired clusters of episodes from the run was probably because of USA picking up the rights to about 50 or so episodes at a time and getting fresh episodes every 6 months

Is it true that GSN never aired #771-775 of $25,000 Pyramid?  They got up to 770 and then jumped straight to the 1987 episodes.  Several years ago, I believe GSN started their 1985-86 lease with #776.
No, they aired 771-775 numerous times (that was the first week of the 85-86 lease, Markie Post & Charles Siebert.)

Ok - thanks for confirming.  Archived PDF copies I have only go back to 776, so I must be missing a PDF from the week prior.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 30, 2014, 11:11:46 AM
It's been often claimed that the reason USA skipped over most of the December 1985 episodes of Press Your Luck was due to the promoting of the timeslot change. If that's actually true, then that's a pretty illogical reason.

When you say, "It's been often claimed", do you really mean, "I think I might have heard somebody say once"?  Because that's SUCH an illogical reason that I think it's far more likely that your source is wrong, not USA Network.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on October 30, 2014, 11:19:20 AM
When you say, "It's been often claimed", do you really mean, "I think I might have heard somebody say once"?

Yes, and if I remember correctly, wasn't Zach Horan the source of this claim?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on October 30, 2014, 12:49:53 PM
So that's not "it's been often claimed," that's "one guy on the internet says".
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on October 30, 2014, 01:34:21 PM
So that's not "it's been often claimed," that's "one guy on the internet says".

And a poor example of a guy at that.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on October 30, 2014, 06:54:02 PM
When you say, "It's been often claimed", do you really mean, "I think I might have heard somebody say once"?

Yes, and if I remember correctly, wasn't Zach Horan the source of this claim?

If Zach Horan made such claims, he tends to base them on incomplete or inaccurate information.  I did learn that it was Zach who claimed that the Valerie/Colleen/Scott episode of Press Your Luck originally aired on December 9, 1985.  And boy, was he proven wrong when GSN recently aired it, and it was actually from December 3, 1985.

That said, I am never going to buy Zach Horan's claims anymore.  For that, he is now blocked on YouTube.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on October 30, 2014, 07:28:12 PM
Well this thread certainly took a turn for the priceless.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: parliboy on October 30, 2014, 09:25:06 PM
Well this thread certainly took a turn for the priceless.

Then it's a good thing we're not paying for it.

(Other than the price we all pay for reading it)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Matt Ottinger on October 30, 2014, 10:09:20 PM
Well this thread certainly took a turn for the priceless.

I lol'd
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on November 04, 2014, 11:06:08 PM
Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in its own topic, but hey -- GSN has released its advance schedule for November 17-23 (http://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/54a477a3-597f-4c3d-9d8e-d575838a1a36), and good news on both the Sale and Press fronts:

* Sale continues through at least #S-108 (September 25, 1985), the day after Tim Holleran's run, so we're getting at least a little into the unknown territory pre-Winner's Board.
* Press will be jumping from #588 (December 26, 1985) on November 14 to #598 (January 10, 1986) on the 17th. Not 100% sure why they'd skip all of those, especially since they're not skipping most of the Christmas shows, but at least they're going into 1986.

(Fixed again -- had the right airdate {12/26/85} originally, but the wrong show number.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 04, 2014, 11:09:22 PM
Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in its own topic, but hey -- GSN has released its advance schedule for November 17-23 (http://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/54a477a3-597f-4c3d-9d8e-d575838a1a36), and good news on both the Sale and Press fronts:
* Sale continues through at least #S-108 (September 25, 1985), the day after Tim Holleran's run, so we're getting at least a little into the unknown territory pre-Winner's Board.
* Press will be jumping from #589 (December 26, 1985) on November 14 to #598 (January 10, 1986) on the 17th, so GSN's definitely going into '86.

Something tells me there will be a last minute  schedule change. It would seem much more practical of GSN to skip over #585-#593 than #589-#597. Especially since #594-#597 have aired on USA Network several times many years ago.

#585-#593 were the Holiday-decorated episodes of PYL.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on November 04, 2014, 11:26:07 PM
Wasn't sure whether to put this here or in its own topic, but hey -- GSN has released its advance schedule for November 17-23 (http://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/54a477a3-597f-4c3d-9d8e-d575838a1a36), and good news on both the Sale and Press fronts:
* Sale continues through at least #S-108 (September 25, 1985), the day after Tim Holleran's run, so we're getting at least a little into the unknown territory pre-Winner's Board.
* Press will be jumping from #589 (December 26, 1985) on November 14 to #598 (January 10, 1986) on the 17th, so GSN's definitely going into '86.

Something tells me there will be a last minute  schedule change. It would seem much more practical of GSN to skip over #585-#593 than #589-#597. Especially since #594-#597 have aired on USA Network several times many years ago.

#585-#593 were the Holiday-decorated episodes of PYL.
So the reruns haven't been on TV for a minimum of  20 years (I have no idea when said reruns did air) but that's a reason to skip them?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on November 04, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
So the reruns haven't been on TV for a minimum of 20 years (I have no idea when said reruns did air) but that's a reason to skip them?
In fairness, there could be other factors involved: tape issues, the shows not being in broadcast quality, or simply that they're not part of this lease. Personally, I would've held shows 585-593 off to air as Christmas/New Year's-related programming, especially 587.

Still, based on Jason Hernandez's episode guides for late 1985 (http://www.press-your-luck.com/pylepisode4.html) and 1986 (http://www.press-your-luck.com/pylepisode5.html) (warning: gameplay and winnings spoilers), we'll only really be missing four shows (589-592) since 593-597 all circulate and are online.

Something tells me there will be a last minute schedule change.
Wouldn't be surprising, since these are advance schedules.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: tyshaun1 on November 05, 2014, 12:58:02 AM
So the reruns haven't been on TV for a minimum of  20 years (I have no idea when said reruns did air) but that's a reason to skip them?

The episodes (from now until next Friday) that GSN is currently running have never been repeated. First time they've aired since the CBS run.

Tyshaun
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: chad1m on November 05, 2014, 01:32:35 PM
I don't usually do this, but this one struck me today. I'm 90% certain the middle contestant on Press Your Luck today was Madeleine Ali, who has been on many other shows like Greed, Million Dollar Password, Millionaire and Pyramid. Her last name was different (closed captioning says Alantre) but she has the same hometown and looks and sounds very similar, just a few years earlier.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Winkfan on November 05, 2014, 02:52:28 PM
In fairness, there could be other factors involved: tape issues, the shows not being in broadcast quality, or simply that they're not part of this lease. Personally, I would've held shows 585-593 off to air as Christmas/New Year's-related programming, especially 587.

Still, based on Jason Hernandez's episode guides for late 1985 (http://www.press-your-luck.com/pylepisode4.html) and 1986 (http://www.press-your-luck.com/pylepisode5.html) (warning: gameplay and winnings spoilers), we'll only really be missing four shows (589-592) since 593-597 all circulate and are online.

Oh, (GONG SHOW OOPS!)! I was so sure GSN would finally run the 12/31/1985 installment (ep. #591)! Let's hope they save it for 12/31/2014, or somewhere close to that date.

Cordially (but disappointed),
Tammy
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on November 07, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
I did learn rumor on Facebook that the reason why the last 3 episodes of 1985 and the first 6 shows of 1986 are being skipped by GSN might be because the Executive Producer of Press Your Luck, Bill Carruthers, and maybe Producer Bill Mitchell, may have vetoed those episodes from being rebroadcast due to Peter promoting the time slot change.  USA Network may have aired January 6 to 9, 1986, and while I didn't find any (subtle?) mention at the beginning of the show of the time slot change, I did read somewhere (Jason Hernandez's episode guide?) that Peter explained the rules of the game and maybe there was mention of the time slot change during that time.  Of course, I will have to view the episodes over the weekend and see if there was any mention.

If the veto power is true, although Carruthers and Mitchell have passed away at least a decade ago, I am sure their estate is respecting their wishes.

Maybe I can contact Rick Stern on Facebook and find out if Carruthers and Mitchell really did veto those nine episodes from being rebroadcast.  Maybe USA aired the January 6 to 9, 1986 episodes because Carruthers and maybe Mitchell may not have realized that there may have been some subtle mention of the time slot change in those episodes.

Of course, with this latest skipping of episodes, maybe GSN will air all the episodes right to the end of at least February 1986 or maybe the beginning of March 1986 in the current lease and maybe we might see the earliest episodes from the "Across The Board" era.

But either way, I really am glad it's confirmed we're getting 1986 episodes.  But we have to get through the rest of December 1985 that GSN is going to air first - after all, these episodes have not been shown on TV since the original CBS airings nearly 29 years ago, so these gems will be a genuine treat to see.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Chief-O on November 07, 2014, 08:25:22 PM
If the veto power is true, although Carruthers and Mitchell have passed away at least a decade ago, I am sure their estate is respecting their wishes.

I doubt their estates would be the ones respecting any such wish. Last I checked, Fremantle owns the show these days; they'd be the ones who'd have to obey Carruthers' [or Mitchell's, though I doubt he'd have as much say-so!] orders.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 07, 2014, 09:29:39 PM
Come to think of it, it was actually this YouTube quote alone that led me to believe that there was a ban on the episodes with the timeslot change announcement. From an individual named Joseph Lambert (emphasis: Mine).

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By the way, the 1985 Christmas episodes were not allowed to be aired in reruns. The show moved time slots because of the cancellation of Body Language, which was announced in late November 1995. Card Sharks was named as it's replacement, but wanted to reverse declining ratings for this show.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: WhammyPower on November 08, 2014, 08:00:08 AM
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The show moved time slots because of the cancellation of Body Language, which was announced in late November 1995.
Seems a little late, don't you think?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on November 08, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
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The show moved time slots because of the cancellation of Body Language, which was announced in late November 1995.
Seems a little late, don't you think?
I was going to say.  I think Vahan meant November 1985.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 08, 2014, 02:21:22 PM
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The show moved time slots because of the cancellation of Body Language, which was announced in late November 1995.
Seems a little late, don't you think?

Whoa. Can't believe I missed that.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 08, 2014, 02:23:37 PM
But more importantly, where did this Joseph Lambert individual get the claim that the episodes with such announcement were not allowed to air in reruns? Did he know someone who worked for Carruthers Company?

As some of the people here would say "Proof or not real".
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on November 08, 2014, 02:25:32 PM
As some of the people here would say "Proof or not real".

Which explains why you do not understand how that works.

It's not on us to prove or disprove his claim for you; it's on *him*.

So ask him, and get back to us with his reply.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 08, 2014, 02:31:33 PM
I actually did try to get him to prove his claim, but to no avail.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on November 08, 2014, 02:57:56 PM
Then I guess it's Not Real.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on November 08, 2014, 03:22:24 PM
But more importantly, where did this Joseph Lambert individual get the claim that the episodes with such announcement were not allowed to air in reruns? Did he know someone who worked for Carruthers Company?

As some of the people here would say "Proof or not real".
As others on this forum say, "Because." Maybe there's a reason, maybe not. It's probably not for the public to know.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 10, 2014, 09:32:17 AM
I'm watching Press Your Luck right now, and episode #594 is playing on my TV. The 9 that have been skipped are December 23-January 3.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on November 10, 2014, 09:41:31 AM
"A hundred likes. A HUNDRED!"
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Dan88 on November 10, 2014, 01:59:31 PM
I'm watching Press Your Luck right now, and episode #594 is playing on my TV. The 9 that have been skipped are December 23-January 3.
You called it, although I suppose on the plus side this means there's no skipping between this Friday and next Monday, plus shows 594-597 get exposure for the first time since the USA repeats. Plus, hey, we still don't know how far this lease goes! :)

That said, the scheduled-then-skipped episodes may end up airing -- this post (http://gsparadise.proboards.com/thread/836/gsn-schedule-updates-thread?page=10&scrollTo=14928) by one of the admins at Game Show Paradise (who emailed GSN recently, asking if they had any special programming planned for the holidays) indicates that GSN has some classic-related plans for Christmas/New Year's:

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We anticipate having some more exciting news about Christmas and New Year’s programming ready to be announced in the next couple of weeks, and would encourage you to keep an eye out for it. There will be a few additional surprises for fans of our classic programming as well as our more contemporary shows, and it is our hope that you will enjoy it all while you celebrate the holidays.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on November 10, 2014, 06:17:09 PM
I am not surprised that the four Christmas-themed episodes were going to be skipped in favor of the first full week of 1986.  I did agree with Vahan's theory, but I had to see it to believe it.  I would not be surprised if Christmas and New Year's weeks of Press Your Luck end up being reserved for the 2014 holiday season, and likely the same for Eubanks' Card Sharks and maybe The $25,000 Pyramid.  But in either event, I really am glad that GSN has finally started to air the 1986 episodes.  I did learn that the early 1986 episodes did air on USA in early 1989 - was that the last time the early 1986 episodes aired on USA, or have they been rebroadcast on USA since?

I do have to admit, it is great to finally get to see the Willie Nelson and Barbershop Quartet Whammy animations in pretty good quality.  And the audio of the Barbershop Quartet Whammy does sound familiar - doesn't it sound similar to the audio file used in Curt King's PYL game?
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 10, 2014, 06:21:03 PM
There was no Christmas-Decorated week of $25,000 Pyramid in 1987. It was a repeat of the one from the year before.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: JonSea31 on November 10, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
Thanks for clarifying.  I guess I should have resorted to Xanfan's episode guide for reference.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Thunder on November 10, 2014, 07:01:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5WFRiB9.jpg)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on November 10, 2014, 07:27:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5WFRiB9.jpg)

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Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on November 11, 2014, 08:42:31 PM
For those who don't know already, Tim Holleran's run started today.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: CoreyArcher on November 20, 2014, 09:36:04 PM
Tim's final episode is the one where it appears Kevin Nealon and the late, great Jan Hooks storm the stage to offer congratulations. Was that ever confirmed?

Tim really squeaked out a couple of wins …
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on November 20, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
Right, that was his Lot Night.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 20, 2014, 09:57:55 PM
I cannot wait to find out what lies past Tim Holleran's run before the endgame change for my episode guide.

I tried asking two people what was the cash jackpot on the final episode with the shopping endgame, and if the randomizer was put on the Fame Game by that time. One of them refused to help me, acted very rudely to me, telling me to "stop asking me these ridiculous questions" (They are NOT ridiculous questions!). The other, a trader named Andrew Kudey, said that he has it. But then he said that it was currently missing from his collection. He never retrieved it.

Well, all of that changes starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on November 20, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
You certainly have an interesting definition of "acting rudely to" you. Every time somebody doesn't do what you want, it's acting very rudely to you. And then we get to hear about it. (And a clunky way of stringing together the sentence, but that's neither here nor there.)
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 20, 2014, 10:04:35 PM
But then why did one of them call my questions "ridiculous"? They sounded legitimate to me.

It wasn't like I asked him about latex balloons. Now THAT'S a ridiculous question. I can agree with you on that.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on November 20, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
But then why did one of them call my questions "ridiculous"? They sounded legitimate to me.

It wasn't like I asked him about latex balloons. Now THAT'S a ridiculous question. I can agree with you on that.

Ah, so it's never a ridiculous question when *you* ask it. I get it.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: aaron sica on November 20, 2014, 11:01:35 PM
Well, all of that changes starting tomorrow.

And your life will never be the same again.

Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: MikeK on November 21, 2014, 08:09:35 AM
I tried asking two people what was the cash jackpot on the final episode with the shopping endgame, and if the randomizer was put on the Fame Game by that time. One of them refused to help me, acted very rudely to me, telling me to "stop asking me these ridiculous questions".
Mystery person, I salute you.

If GSN went back to Romance Week in late '88 today, you could hear my cackling and laughter from clear on the other side of the country.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: jimlangefan on November 21, 2014, 11:17:54 AM
I tried asking two people what was the cash jackpot on the final episode with the shopping endgame, and if the randomizer was put on the Fame Game by that time. One of them refused to help me, acted very rudely to me, telling me to "stop asking me these ridiculous questions".
Mystery person, I salute you.

If GSN went back to Romance Week in late '88 today, you could hear my cackling and laughter from clear on the other side of the country.

Same here! LOL!
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on November 21, 2014, 01:26:06 PM
One of them refused to help me, acted very rudely to me, telling me to "stop asking me these ridiculous questions" (They are NOT ridiculous questions!).
Man, you get so defensive over the smallest things.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 21, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
And I have every right to. I should not be silenced from defending myself.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: TLEberle on November 21, 2014, 01:42:36 PM
And I have every right to, instead of letting you silence me from speaking my mind.
Who's silencing you? You're able to post unfettered, so that's a load of hooey.

What you don't have the right to do is speak your mind and not have people challenge you (what you call "acting rude to you.") So yes, when you carry on about seeing an episode because it helps you fill up your episode guide, or ask questions pertaining to that, don't expect us to be nice, instead expect metaphorical eye-rolling.

On the other hand, if you insist that you didn't post because you were afeared of me 'blasting' you, then I have Bombay Bingo, which will be nice.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: clemon79 on November 21, 2014, 02:13:32 PM
On the other hand, if you insist that you didn't post because you were afeared of me 'blasting' you, then I have Bombay Bingo, which will be nice.

I played Bombay Bingo once. Took forever; the camel wasn't fed *nearly* enough curry.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on November 21, 2014, 02:50:14 PM
And I have every right to. I should not be silenced from defending myself.
No...you really don't have any right to, given the stuff you get huffy about. You should be silenced from making the posts that you do, but that's another story.

Anyway, you're missing my point (not surprising) by (not surprisingly) being defense. Your attitude is the reason people call you out. Even when someone tries to help, you turn into a 3-year-old in need of a nap.

But whatever, keep doing what you do. Not like you care what anyone has to say anyway.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on November 21, 2014, 06:58:56 PM
https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/372f42b6-8ced-47ae-b24d-6e7891287aff

New PDF is up. All five Christmas episodes of Eubanks Card Sharks from 1986 are being skipped over.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: BrandonFG on November 21, 2014, 07:20:58 PM
Nice deflection there.
Title: Re: Major late September schedule changes
Post by: PYLdude on November 21, 2014, 08:17:50 PM
And I have every right to. I should not be silenced from defending myself.

Being upset is one thing. Having a thin skin is another. And far too often, you are thin skinned. People don't have the level of interest you do in composing episode guides. People actually have respect for Bob Barker in spite of all his misdeeds. People don't care about minutiae to certain degrees. People think your behavior reminds them of Zach. It doesn't make them bad people and it certainly doesn't warrant the reaction you give them half the time.

I'm reminded of the one guy who came on here spouting gibberish and then, when he got a certain type of feedback he wasn't desiring, he chose to continue asking the questions until he got what he termed a "real answer", i.e. one that he felt responded to his queries in a way he found acceptable.