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Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: brianhenke on June 25, 2003, 03:19:42 PM

If you were in charge of putting a revival of Tic Tac Dough, what would you do?

   Here is my changes- from-the-Wink-years suggestion:

   Two new contestants open each day.  1st question is toss-up for the center square. If the contestant who buzzes in first gets it right, he/she gets the center square and $500 is added to the pot.  The other opponent gets the next questions.

   The categories will be shuffled, as before - then the contestant who gets the toss-up question right plays again.

   The front game will be a best 2-of-3 format. Each game ends when someone gets Tic Tac Dough, or the first contestant to get 5 spaces in case no TTD can be achieved. The winner must get his/her question right to win.

    The front game's winner takes on the returning champion in a one game showdown (shades of Face the Music!). Once again, the winning contestant is the one who gets Tic Tac Dough or gets 5 spaces in case no TTD can be acheived.

    The day's champion then goes on to the Bonus Round, where he/she attempts to face the dragon. No rapping or dragon slayers, it will be the endgame we all know, but with updated values and a progressive prize package.  The values on the board should be 200-300-500-600-750-1000, plus Tic, Tac and the dragon. The contestant wins the bonus round by (a) hitting Tic and Tac or (b) accumulating $2,000 in the game without hitting the dragon.  If the dragon is hit, the contestant loses all of his/her winnings. The contestant can stop at any time in the game.

   The prize package that the contestant can win should start at $7K. Each day that the endgame isn't won, another prize is added and one will be added every day that someone doesn't win. When a contestant wins the endgame, a new prize package will be up for grabs.

    A contestant who wins five games wins a car, which should be in the $20-25K range.  When a contestant wins ten games and two cars, he/she is automatically retired as champion.

     How would you update TTD for the 21st century?

     Brian

     Zina Williams is a tennis-playing sister?

    We want some more pro wrestling (STILL) and NASCAR questions!

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: BrandonFG on June 25, 2003, 03:46:09 PM

Two ideas:

1.

Two individual rounds. The first to get a TTD wins the round and goes to the bonus round.  In the event of a \"cat's game,\" the round will be thrown out and a new one will be played in its place. However, the \"cat\" round will never be seen, in order to save time, a la MGPM tiebreakers, when both contestant gave the same response.  

CENTER SQUARE: $1000
OUTSIDE SQUARES: $500

After the first bonus round, another match is played between the champ and a new contestant, or maybe the first round challenger, a la Pyramid. Bonus round high score returns the next day.

2.

Each round has the center/outside squares worth $1000/$500 for r. 1 and 2, doubling for r. 3 if necessary. High score at the end of the game wins. In the event of a \"cat\" game, then the tie-breaker IS played for double.

Special categories? Sure why not....I don't know any of the original special categories, but keep them just for the spirit of TTD. :-P

BONUS ROUND:
It should NOT be a \"Face the Dragon.\" A bonus round should require SOME sort of skill. What I'm thinking is give the contestant :30 to answer questions and somehow get 3-in-a-row. You answer wrong, you have to take another route, a limited version of Blockbusters.  3-in-a-row wins the prize package. Otherwise the contestant gets $500 for each correct answer.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: KrisW73 on June 25, 2003, 03:47:35 PM

[quote name=\'brianhenke\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 02:19 PM\'] The values on the board should be 200-300-500-600-750-1000, plus Tic, Tac and the dragon. The contestant wins the bonus round by (a) hitting Tic and Tac or (b) accumulating $2,000 in the game without hitting the dragon.  If the dragon is hit, the contestant loses all of his/her winnings. The contestant can stop at any time in the game.

   The prize package that the contestant can win should start at $7K. Each day that the endgame isn't won, another prize is added and one will be added every day that someone doesn't win. When a contestant wins the endgame, a new prize package will be up for grabs.

 [/quote]
Sorry I would go with the CBS format of $150 for each X or O (Changed to $250) and find the Tic Tac Dough before the dragon.

I thought the TIC and TAC endgame was ok, but what did this particular bonus game have to do with getting  three in a row?

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: inturnaround on June 25, 2003, 04:21:31 PM

Why change anything except the money? Not a drastic increase, but a lil somethin' somethin'.

TTD is a great game. It's a hard quiz with strategy. The end game always had me fascinated when I was a kid, I'd cringe whenever the dragon came out. It was a successful game in the past and I see no reason why it couldn't be in the future. I just hope they don't \"ultra modernize\" it with a fancy-pants set and darkly lit mood lighting.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: clemon79 on June 25, 2003, 05:47:30 PM

[quote name=\'brianhenke\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 12:19 PM\'] The front game will be a best 2-of-3 format. Each game ends when someone gets Tic Tac Dough, or the first contestant to get 5 spaces in case no TTD can be achieved. The winner must get his/her question right to win.

    The front game's winner takes on the returning champion in a one game showdown (shades of Face the Music!). Once again, the winning contestant is the one who gets Tic Tac Dough or gets 5 spaces in case no TTD can be acheived.
 [/quote]
 Do you really think you're going to be able to fit FOUR FULL GAMES of TTD into a half-hour?

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: TheInquisitiveOne on June 25, 2003, 06:34:01 PM

I would keep TTD the same way as with the 1970s/80s version, straddling and all. The only change I would make is this:

If a champion wins five front games in a row, he or she wins a car. If a champion wins a 10th game, he or she will win an additional $50,000 and retires undefeated.

I agree that the \"Face the Dragon\" endgame should be kept, as long as the graphics are better. :)

The Inquisitive One

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: Neumms on June 25, 2003, 06:47:26 PM

[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 03:21 PM\']TTD is a great game. It's a hard quiz with strategy. [/quote]
\"Tic Tac Dough\" may count as a hard quiz with strategy when you're age eight or ten, but it's not exactly GE College Bowl. I always found the questions rather easy, and the strategy is tic-tac-toe, for Pete's sake. Chickens play it on state fair midways. Not that I didn't enjoy it, mind you.

I thought it was at its best, well, when Thom McKee was playing, or when you had a good string of tie games going. To have that, the games have to straddle episodes, syndicator be damned. The front game is what it is. The only thing I'd suggest is the occasional witty category--not Ben Stein so much as \"You Don't Know Jack\" (computerized, not ABC's).

The bonus game needs work, as TJW's and Bulleye's would, too. Picking a number one to nine requires even less strategy than tic-tac-toe. \"Split Second\" was all luck, but at least that was dramatic. There ought to at least be risk involved. Maybe there should be a couple of endgames, alternating between the two for a little variety.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: whampyl03 on June 25, 2003, 06:59:19 PM

Here is how I'd revive it...

Same Front Game rules, just inflated amounts...

$750 for the outside boxes, $1,500 for the center box

Same Bonus Game rules (circa 1980 syndie) just Inflated amounts... ($2,000 beats the dragon, and wins you a $12,000 to $17,000 prize package)

Every 5th time you play Beat The Dragon, you play for a prize package with a $40,000 to $60,000 car added

As for set... USE MY DESIGN! (link below)
http://www.geocities.com/antpollreisz/ttda...l?1056253626990 (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/antpollreisz/ttdartwork13274385743857438657467537475630.html?1056253626990\")

As for music... Use the classic theme. It's one of the best GS themes ever.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: clemon79 on June 25, 2003, 09:28:19 PM

[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 03:59 PM\'] Same Front Game rules, just inflated amounts...
 [/quote]
 Why?

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Same Bonus Game rules (circa 1980 syndie) just Inflated amounts...

Why?

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Every 5th time you play Beat The Dragon, you play for a prize package with a $40,000 to $60,000 car added

13 weeks and out. IF you can find a packager who will touch your budget with a fifty-foot pole.

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As for music... Use the classic theme. It's one of the best GS themes ever.

...and would be so dated in 2003 that it would be utterly laughable.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: brianhenke on June 26, 2003, 12:27:51 AM

  I said, should there be a 1-1 tie in the game to find the challenger to face the champ, a speed-up round will  be played.

  Plus...all squares but the center will be worth $300.

  Brian

  The Jehovah's Witnesses distribute Mad magazine?

  We want some more pro wrestling (STILL) and NASCAR questions!

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: whampyl03 on June 26, 2003, 12:28:43 AM

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Same Front Game rules, just inflated amounts...
 

Why?

You don't want to screw around with the gameplay, and if you want the old $300/$200 on the outers and $200/$100 for the inner, that's your call.

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Same Bonus Game rules (circa 1980 syndie) just Inflated amounts... 


Why?

Same thing, Even though there is not very much gameplay to BTD, you still don't want to screw around with it much.  Weather you want $1000 to beat the dragon is your call.

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Every 5th time you play Beat The Dragon, you play for a prize package with a $40,000 to $60,000 car added


13 weeks and out. IF you can find a packager who will touch your budget with a fifty-foot pole.

Ehhh... I guess you have me there....

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As for music... Use the classic theme. It's one of the best GS themes ever.


...and would be so dated in 2003 that it would be utterly laughable.

I'll just give in and say your right on that one.  But I think it could still work (but that's just me).

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: Brandon Brooks on June 26, 2003, 12:48:50 AM

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Here is how I'd revive it...

Here we go!

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Same Front Game rules, just inflated amounts...

$750 for the outside boxes, $1,500 for the center box

Not really too much need.  Using TTD90's values would be fine enough (except for the resetting of the board values... that's dumb).

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Same Bonus Game rules (circa 1980 syndie) just Inflated amounts... ($2,000 beats the dragon, and wins you a $12,000 to $17,000 prize package)

Eh, whatever.

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Every 5th time you play Beat The Dragon, you play for a prize package with a $40,000 to $60,000 car added

Nah.

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As for set... USE MY DESIGN! (link below)
http://www.geocities.com/antpollreisz/ttda...l?1056253626990 (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/antpollreisz/ttda...l?1056253626990\")

Now, I'm going to be honest... the only thing that bugged me about all TTD's were the hideous sets.  This is updated, but still cheesy.  Unless it's a comedy show, I don't know how well cheesy looks today.

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As for music... Use the classic theme. It's one of the best GS themes ever.

If Pyramid refused to use a wonderful, less slightly dated theme that was twenty years old, what makes you think the new TTD would use one that's even older?

Brandon Brooks

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: whampyl03 on June 26, 2003, 01:09:48 AM

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As for music... Use the classic theme. It's one of the best GS themes ever. 

If Pyramid refused to use a wonderful, less slightly dated theme that was twenty years old, what makes you think the new TTD would use one that's even older?

Well, Feud reverted back to the 88 theme (yes, I know there is a 10 year diffrence between them both) so maybe there would be a slight glimmer of hope.

Gee, was my revival THAT bad? (well, at least you people are being honest)

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: Dan Sadro on June 26, 2003, 01:32:22 AM

A few suggestions:

 (1)  I'm not surprised that many of you are supporting a dollar-value-per-box system.  Save for a drunken syndicator, the only place you'd be likely to see the show is on cable.  I don't think GSN's originals budget even $10,000 per episode in prize money (on some series, I think it's much less), and many of your ideas would spend more than that on just the average maingame.  This might just be the time to end that antiquated practice.  Maybe there'll be something for winning the game, cash or prize.

 (2)  Sir Foster-Gray has some very intriguing ideas.  Many are pretty good.

 (3)  Regarding Neumms, it might be possible that Thom McKee's episodes were exciting for two reasons -- the tie games and the large amounts of money involved -- two of the reasons that the original Twenty-One intrigued the national audience.  I think, just like Twenty-One, that TTD can be the most boring game show on television if it's not played dramatically.

 (4)  The thought of using any B-E endgame in 2003 is hilarious.  Ha ha ha [cough] [hack] [cough].  Keeping the spirit of the original is important, yes, but sometimes it's just a good idea to take a flamethrower to certain aspects of the original.  Even stealing the endgame from the Jack Clark Caught in the Act unsold pilot in the trading rounds would be more true to tic-tac-dough than picking numbers hoping not to find a frighteningly bad computer dragon behind it :^)

 (5)  Just a nitpick, but whatever happened to nice, round numbers?  I've seen $7000, $12,000, and $17,000 mentioned in this thread, and my mind is spinning.

Oh well, I'm done; fire away.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: Dan Sadro on June 26, 2003, 01:37:50 AM

[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 12:09 AM\']

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As for music... Use the classic theme. It's one of the best GS themes ever. 

If Pyramid refused to use a wonderful, less slightly dated theme that was twenty years old, what makes you think the new TTD would use one that's even older?

Well, Feud reverted back to the 88 theme (yes, I know there is a 10 year diffrence between them both) so maybe there would be a slight glimmer of hope. [/quote]
 The original Family Feud themes, IMHO, contaned an intrinsic quality that suited the 2002-2003 season's set.  They added the light wood colors to the set and as an overall effect, the set was warmed up.  Fremantle felt they should use a theme that contained the qualities of the revised set, a theme with an \"at home\" feeling.

And really, what can be more \"at home\" than quasi-bluegrass music? :^)

The same cannot be said about TTD78 theme.  I'm surprised they didn't dump the theme to a more-electronic and less-Hidey offering when Martindale left.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: ilb4ever2000 on June 26, 2003, 01:57:36 AM

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(4) The thought of using any B-E endgame in 2003 is hilarious. Ha ha ha [cough] [hack] [cough]. Keeping the spirit of the original is important, yes, but sometimes it's just a good idea to take a flamethrower to certain aspects of the original. Even stealing the endgame from the Jack Clark Caught in the Act unsold pilot in the trading rounds would be more true to tic-tac-dough than picking numbers hoping not to find a frighteningly bad computer dragon behind it :^)

I don't completely agree with that. I think with some modification, the \"Face the Devil\" and \"Beat the Dragon\" games could work.

And I agree with the notion that answering questions would be required to gain boxes in a TTD bonus round, whatever you decided to go with.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: clemon79 on June 26, 2003, 02:42:08 AM

[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Jun 25 2003, 10:57 PM\'] I don't completely agree with that. I think with some modification, the "Face the Devil" and "Beat the Dragon" games could work.
 [/quote]
 I admit to having a soft spot for Beat The Devil, but then that's the \"Lady Luck is Queen!\" aspect of TJW that is appealing to me. Plus I LOVE that old-school reel protection system. I think I'm gonna go to FlashGames now when I get done here... :)

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: johnnya2k3 on June 26, 2003, 03:58:34 AM

I already brought this up on the GSN.com board months ago.

Anyway, the first and second games will be worth $1,000; third game, $2,000; fourth game (if time allows), $3,000. The outside box questions are worth $750 and center box is $1,500; if no tic-tac-toe, any money accumulated in the pot will be rolled over to the next game. Of course, the person with the most money at the end wins.

In the bonus round, get a tic-tac-toe without hitting on the dragon. If you do, you lose everything; but if you get the Dragon Slayer like on the 1990 version; you win the money plus a prize package.

Contestants who retire undefeated after five days gets a new car and will return for a $100,000 Tournament of Champions at the end of the season.

And the theme music? It'll be fresh and new like Pyramid's; the old one just won't cut it for 2003.

Jonathan Allen

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: whampyl03 on June 26, 2003, 07:14:11 AM

Well, here we go again...

Not much of a save, but here goes nothing

Main game...

$500 for the outsides, $1,000 for the insides, if in case of a tie, the pot is carried over to the next round (basically the same rules as the classic version).  To combat the question difficulty problem, the new version of the game will use slightly more difficult questions.


Bonus Game (Beat the Dragon)...

ACTUAL SKILL WILL BE USED!  Instead of the classic pick a number and avoid the bad guy B&E standard bonus games (that I really like) this one will need actual skill!  Of the 9 catagories, the champion will have the honor of removing one of the catagories of there choosing.  Those 8 catagories will be shuffled along the board, as well as the mean ol' really bad CG looking Dragon as well. (had to carry somthing over from the old show).  The object of the game will be to make $1000 or make a Side to side, up and down, or diagonal \"Tic Tac Dough\".  How do they do that you ask?  Well, a light will be bouncing around the board (ala PYL) and the champ will have a plunger in front of them.  When they stop the board, it will land on a square, they answer a question on the squares catagory, and you will recieve $200, and a X in the square, an incorrect answer will give you no money and an O in that square.  You can stop any time and take the money you've accumulated.  BUT if you make it completely impossible for you to win, or you hit the dragon, you lose EVERYTHING you've accumulated in the bonus game.  BUT if you make a \"Tic Tac Dough\" or make $1,000, you win a prize package worth over $12,000! (NOTE!!!  when you put an X or O in the square, the light won't \"bounce\" on that square anymore).


WINNER TAKE ALL TOURNEYMENT OF CHAMPIONS (sorry for screaming)

At the end of each other season, the top 8 money winners come back for a special tourneyment of champions.  First, before any games start, $100,000 is added to the pot.  Next, the players are \"seeded\"  (meaning the top winner of the year takes #1, the second highest winner is #2, exc...)


Now, how more money is added to the pot is in the games, instead of the winner taking the pot at the end of the game, all the money accumulated in the games adds to the $100,000 & by a modified bonus game of BTD for the champ where you only play to add to the pot.  It's the same rules, but instead of a prize package, if they conquer the dragon, they add an extra $15,000 to the pot.

All first and second rounds are best 2 out of 3, and the championship match is best 3 out of 5.

(Part 2 of this post will have a description of the Tourney, and other odds and ends)

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: whampyl03 on June 26, 2003, 07:25:03 AM

Part 2

Winner take all Tourney of Champs Example

In the first heat, $8000 was made between the 2 players, and the winner won $16,000 for the pot in BTD

Pot now stands at... (Ding! Ding!) $124,000

In heat 2, $9500 was made between the 2 players, and the winner failed to beat the dragon...

Pot now stands at  $133,500

Heat 3 had $8000 made between both players, and the dragon was beaten for another $16,000

Pot now stands at $157,500

Heat 4 had $18,500 made between both players, and the dragon was beat for another $16,000

Pot now stands at $192,000

The winner of heat one plays the winner of heat 4.  The winner of that match was the winner of heat one, and they both add another $10,500 to the pot, the winner of heat one was beaten by the dragon.

Pot now stands at... $202,500

The winners of heats 2 and 3 play, the winner of heat 3 won, and both players place $22,000 into the pot.  The dragon was beaten for another $16,000

Pot now stands at... $240,500

The championship battle between the winner of heat 1, and the winner of heat 3 takes place.  The winner of the championship is the winner of heat 3.  Both players put another $36,500 into the pot. The pot now stands at  $277,000.

The winner of heat 3 wins the pot ($277,000)

Everybody else recieves $0



Confused Yet???

As for the set... I made another design that I think is better (but you can be the judge of that)
Links for the pics will be posted in a later post

As for the music...  a remake of the original theme (main synthasiser is taken out, and a brass insterment is put in its place)

Is it better now?

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: whampyl03 on June 26, 2003, 07:35:33 AM

Here are the pics of the set.  I think there a bit better than the old design, but that's for you to decide.

http://www.geocities.com/antpollreisz/nttd...l?1056627284910 (http://\"http://www.geocities.com/antpollreisz/nttdartwork243854247.html?1056627284910\")

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: byrd62 on June 26, 2003, 08:43:51 AM

Quote

Of the 9 categories, the champion will have the honor of removing one of the catagories of there choosing. Those 8 categories will be shuffled along the board, as well as the mean ol' really bad CG looking Dragon as well. (had to carry somthing over from the old show). The object of the game will be to make $1000 or make a Side to side, up and down, or diagonal \"Tic Tac Dough\". How do they do that you ask? Well, a light will be bouncing around the board (ala PYL) and the champ will have a plunger in front of them. When they stop the board, it will land on a square, they answer a question on the square's category, and you will receive $200, and a X in the square, an incorrect answer will give you no money and an O in that square. You can stop any time and take the money you've accumulated. BUT if you make it completely impossible for you to win, or you hit the dragon, you lose EVERYTHING you've accumulated in the bonus game. BUT if you make a \"Tic Tac Dough\" or make $1,000, you win a prize package worth over $12,000! (NOTE!!! when you put an X or O in the square, the light won't \"bounce\" on that square anymore).

Sounds good, but a version I have in mind would involve squares numbered 1-9, with all the questions being from just one category, either predetermined by the staff, or chosen by the champion from a list.  The champion will choose the square, then answer a question; square #5

is a 2-part question.  Correct answer earns a \"$\" [dollar sign] in that square, but incorrect or no answer means a dragon[roar sound effect].  Three dragons in a row, and you lose; three dollar signs in a row, and you win either a prize package [self-contained version] or 10x the amount earned in the main game [straddled version].  A \"cat's game\" is worth $1000 unless there are five dragons, in which case, it's worth nothing.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: TonicBH on June 26, 2003, 10:29:10 AM

I'd keep the basic essentials of the Winker's Version, and yes, this would straddle.

I'd use TTD90's values: $1,000 for center, $500 for other boxes. In case of a tie, pot carries over to next board.

Bonus Round: I'd mix TTD90 elements here. Maybe use the same bonus round, but instead of a \"Dragon Slayer\", you got a \"Golden X/O\". The \"Golden X/O\" works the same way as TTD90's Dragon Slayer: Doubles the pot and you win automatically. If this doesn't work, the classic \"TIC\" and \"TAC\" could also work. You could also lose if you get TTD with the other symbol.

Theme: Keep the 1970s theme. Nothing wrong with it.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: PeterMarshallFan on June 26, 2003, 10:35:00 AM

Interesting that this should come up. I posted an idea on the GSN boards, here it is:


As always, two contestants compete. Each regular box is worth $500 into the pot with a correct answer, and the center box is worth $1,000 to the pot. First to a Tic Tac Dough wins. If there is a tie, the values increase by $500 for each tie. In addition, there are two black squares on the board (ala the CBS run in '78.) They can pop up under any category at any time. When a square is black, it is a jump-in question in that category. Also, the TTD90 shuffling rule is used here (it was the one good thing about that version)

In the bonus round, four of the nine squares hold prizes, four have a $ which is worth a progressive amount ($1,000, $2,000, $5,000, $10,000), and the Dragon (not rapping, thank God.) The squares are shuffled and covered. The contestant picks one at a time and can stop after each pick. If the Dragon is picked they lose everything. If all eight safe squares can be picked, the contestant wins everything on the board plus a car.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: clemon79 on June 26, 2003, 11:16:17 AM

[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 04:25 AM\'] Confused Yet???
 [/quote]
 Yes. And that's a problem.

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Is it better now?

No.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: Mike Tennant on June 26, 2003, 11:39:00 AM

[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 09:35 AM\']In the bonus round, four of the nine squares hold prizes, four have a $ which is worth a progressive amount ($1,000, $2,000, $5,000, $10,000), and the Dragon (not rapping, thank God.) The squares are shuffled and covered. The contestant picks one at a time and can stop after each pick. If the Dragon is picked they lose everything. If all eight safe squares can be picked, the contestant wins everything on the board plus a car.[/quote]
Hmm. . .sounds suspiciously like the original Eye Guess bonus round to me (at least as presented in the home version).  On the other hand, most B & E bonus rounds were some variation on this format, so it seems only appropriate to retain something similar.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: PeterMarshallFan on June 26, 2003, 12:33:05 PM

[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 10:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 09:35 AM\']In the bonus round, four of the nine squares hold prizes, four have a $ which is worth a progressive amount ($1,000, $2,000, $5,000, $10,000), and the Dragon (not rapping, thank God.) The squares are shuffled and covered. The contestant picks one at a time and can stop after each pick. If the Dragon is picked they lose everything. If all eight safe squares can be picked, the contestant wins everything on the board plus a car.[/quote]
Hmm. . .sounds suspiciously like the original Eye Guess bonus round to me (at least as presented in the home version).  On the other hand, most B & E bonus rounds were some variation on this format, so it seems only appropriate to retain something similar. [/quote]
Y'know, you're right! I never thought of that when I came up with it.

We could use something like BtB86's lame-ass bonus game, so it could be worse. :)

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: BrandonFG on June 26, 2003, 03:57:02 PM

[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 12:09 AM\']

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Well, Feud reverted back to the 88 theme (yes, I know there is a 10 year diffrence between them both) so maybe there would be a slight glimmer of hope.

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 And to be honest, the 88 Feud theme sounds dated with this set as well (not to mention it's poorly edited).  I  loved the 2002 remix, and if anything, the 94 theme would've sounded the best with the updated set.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: uncamark on June 26, 2003, 06:03:42 PM

I usually stay out of these threads, but here's the idea I have of having a better end game that still features the Dragon:

DRAGONFIRE

Nine new categories are on the board.  The champ's X, the Dragon's O.  Contestant calls a category and 45-second clock starts.  Host reads question (short and sweet, with some T/Fs).  If contestant gives correct answer, X in the box.  Incorrect answer, pass or no answer in three seconds Dragon gets an O in the box (and with today's CG animation, I'd have the Dragon standing on one side of the board--his \"roar\" would send a smoke ring out of his nostril to become the \"O\").  Repeat until one of these happens:  Get three Xs in a row before time runs out, champ wins bonus (preferably cash rather than merchandise, say $10,000 start and going up $2,500 every time unwon).  Dragon gets three Os in a row, round is over and champ loses.  Time runs out or cat's-eye game, champ gets $300 for every X on the board (we're keeping with the basic \"TTD\" rule that three-in-a-row is the only way to win).

And there you have it--fast-paced, easy to explain, more in line with the front game and hopefully more dramatic.  If 45 seconds is too long, I could see it with 30 seconds.

Well, sirs?

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: Don Howard on June 26, 2003, 09:34:00 PM

Make it a game of definitions.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: GS Warehouse on June 26, 2003, 11:25:57 PM

[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 08:34 PM\'] Make it a game of definitions. [/quote]
[throws dictionaries at Don]

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: Dan Sadro on June 27, 2003, 02:54:16 AM

[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 08:34 PM\'] Make it a game of definitions. [/quote]
 That was, officially, the correct response :^)

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: HYHYBT on June 27, 2003, 03:24:50 AM

Someone somewhere up there said to edit out tie games. Now if you do that, most of the portion of the audience that's paying attention will notice. They might not notice Pat Sajak's never spinning Bankrupt anymore, but everyone knows that tic-tac-toe is easy to tie. So as soon as a game gets to the point where one player can win and the other can only hope for a tie, you've lost them.

So either you have to make a rule preventing ties, or leave them in the show. The 5-square rule is already on Hollywood Squares, and at this point that show's enough well-known that to steal one of its original rules would just make it harder for Tic Tac Dough not to look like a celebrity-less, comedy-less ripoff. And off the top of my head, I can't think of another good, simple rule to prevent ties.
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I'd like something more skill-based for the bonus, and more with the theme of tic-tac-toe, but still keeping the Dragon (new graphics, old roar! That was the worst part of the 1990 dragon, at least until he learned to rap). How about something like (I think) Trump Card had? Pick a numbered space, answer a question, get an X for a right answer or an O for either a pass or a wrong answer. Put the Dragon behind one of the spaces with the usual result. Three X's in a row wins. Adjust the question difficulty and maybe add a timer, depending on how often you want a win.

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: BrandonFG on June 27, 2003, 10:29:34 AM

[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jun 26 2003, 05:03 PM\'] I usually stay out of these threads, but here's the idea I have of having a better end game that still features the Dragon:

DRAGONFIRE

Well, sirs? [/quote]
 Sounds pretty good, but I'd make it :30, that way you can have time to throw in a little \"dragon rap.\" :-)

Title: How would you revive...Tic Tac Dough?
Post by: ChuckNet on June 27, 2003, 12:17:47 PM

My idea for an update's far simpler: Keep the format more-or-less exactly what it was on the Winker's version, w/only slight inflation ($500 for outer boxes, $1K for the center), and use the bonus round from the short-lived CBS version, w/each X or O uncovered worth $250.

That works best, IMO...slight inflation for the times w/out falling victim to the dreaded \"mo' money syndrome\".

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious \"Chuckie Baby\")