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Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: tvmitch on May 08, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
New show on CNBC, looks like a Shark Tank clone, premieres soon I think. Saw promo on CNBC. Good to see Kiernan in anything, really.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 08, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
From what I read it was nearer Dragon\'s Den meets Queen for a Day/Without Prejudice.

Yay host, boo everything else. But I\'ll watch anyway because it gives CNBC a chance to pull something other than a hash.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: goongas on May 08, 2013, 11:30:31 PM
Michael Davies is producing it.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: Jimmy Owen on May 10, 2013, 05:26:32 AM


 




Sounds okay.  Would a CNBC game show based on the stock market be an audience draw? Give people x amount of shares of a company and at the end of the day award cash based how the stock performed?

Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: MikeK on May 10, 2013, 11:12:44 AM
 
Sounds okay.  Would a CNBC game show based on the stock market be an audience draw? Give people x amount of shares of a company and at the end of the day award cash based how the stock performed?
Several years ago, Jim Cramer had a similar segment with college students and they tracked stocks over an extended period of time, possibly a week or two weeks, with the top school winning scholarship money. Unless you have a vested interest (read: either monetary, or associated with the students or the school) in such a show, would you watch? Such a show sounds boring to me. Also, I have run similar simulations with my students in the past. Interest waned real fast since they weren\'t playing with real money.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: BrandonFG on May 10, 2013, 11:22:50 AM

It would have to be very, very, very \"loosely\" tied in to the stock market. Think Barry-Enright bonus game c. 1980, where you pick a number 1-10, and try to collect $1,000 in investments before hitting the bad guy (we\'ll call it the \"market crash\").


 


Even if you made it a straightforward Q&A about finances, it would be about as exciting as that Bob Goen \"Beat the IRS\" thing posted a few months ago.


 


Sidenote: when I was younger, I read the TV listings and found a CNBC show called Money Wheel. Thinking it was a game, I tuned in, and was quickly disappointed.


 


/Learned about bull markets though


//Just kidding...I quickly turned the channel


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: CarbonCpy on May 10, 2013, 11:28:01 AM

Somewhat disappointed that this isn\'t \"Kickstarter: The Game Show.\"


 


\"I\'m asking $3500 to make an anime comic book that\'s like The Racoons, but it\'s set in Japan.\"


 


[TOTAL VOTES: $0.23]


 


\"It\'s an accessory for your iPhon--\"


 


[TOTAL VOTES: $100m]


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: clemon79 on May 10, 2013, 12:22:49 PM
\"I\'m asking $3500 to make an anime comic book that\'s like The Racoons, but it\'s set in Japan.\"

 


[TOTAL VOTES: $0.23]


 


\"It\'s an accessory for your iPhon--\"


 


[TOTAL VOTES: $100m]


 


God, SO MUCH THIS.


 


I\'m pretty sure I could Kickstarter a bumpersticker that reads \"It\'s an accessory for your iPhone\" in 8-point Comic Sans and raise $50K based solely on that string appearing in the description.


 


/iSheep will spend incredible amounts of money to be validated


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 10, 2013, 12:27:54 PM
Several years ago, Jim Cramer had a similar segment with college students and they tracked stocks over an extended period of time, possibly a week or two weeks, with the top school winning scholarship money.
Was this different than the Fast Money MBC Challenge that aired on CNBC about five years ago? Thing I remember about that is that the two finalist schools put all their seed money into energy stocks.

Oops.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: BrandonFG on May 10, 2013, 01:16:53 PM
\"I\'m asking $3500 to make an anime comic book that\'s like The Racoons, but it\'s set in Japan.\"

 


[TOTAL VOTES: $0.23]


 


\"It\'s an accessory for your iPhon--\"


 


[TOTAL VOTES: $100m]



 


God, SO MUCH THIS.


 


I\'m pretty sure I could Kickstarter a bumpersticker that reads \"It\'s an accessory for your iPhone\" in 8-point Comic Sans and raise $50K based solely on that string appearing in the description.


 


/iSheep will spend incredible amounts of money to be validated


Or my other favorite, the non-celebrity seeking funding for his or her indie film.


 


TYPE A: \"Please support my indie film with a regular (but compelling) plot and characters. We seek $5,000 in 45 days.\"


TOTAL COLLECTED: $27.00 ($25 of which came from the director\'s mom and dad)


 


TYPE B: \"Hey, support our quirky, pseudo-pretentious hipster-ass indie film that shares the same template as every other QPPHA indie film of the last half-decade! We seek $20,000 in 10 days!\"


TOTAL COLLECTED: $40,000 in 8 days...5 if the poster features a unicorn shitting glitter and \"handwritten\" logo.


 


/Oh...and a bus.

Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: WarioBarker on May 10, 2013, 02:09:56 PM
Now, see, the Type A filmmaker should do the Type B announcement but make the Type A film anyway. If he\'s told \"Hey, this isn\'t the film I donated into your Kickstarter fund for!\", he can point out that if he had been honest about what kind of movie he was going to do, would the other person have even donated?
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: BrandonFG on May 10, 2013, 02:21:08 PM

Pretty sure it doesn\'t work that way, and to be quite honest, that\'s pretty shitty ethics. With Kickstarter, it helps to promise incentives to your donors, depending on how much they give. For example, $10 gets you a copy of the screenplay, $25 is a signed poster.


 


I give $25 expecting the advertised poster (Type A) and instead get a pic of a unicorn on a VW bus with glitter coming out its rear end, I\'m going to be pretty pissed. Or vice versa. To me, it\'s as bad as selling a $500 iPad on eBay, then shipping an iPad out.


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 10, 2013, 02:27:23 PM
Let it be known that on May 10, 2013 Dan Benfield endorsed committing fraud.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: clemon79 on May 10, 2013, 02:48:12 PM
Now, see, the Type A filmmaker should do the Type B announcement but make the Type A film anyway. If he\'s told \"Hey, this isn\'t the film I donated into your Kickstarter fund for!\", he can point out that if he had been honest about what kind of movie he was going to do, would the other person have even donated?

 


The thing that makes me the most sad about this is that you actually appear to seriously think this is a remotely valid moral choice.


 


Hey, Dan, if you give me $500, I\'ll give you $5,000 next week. Wait, what\'s that, I only gave you $5? Well, if I was honest about giving you $5 up front, would you have given me the $500 in the first place?


 


Let it be known that on May 10, 2013 Dan Benfield endorsed committing fraud.

 


Ah, but that\'s the thing about KS: it\'s not fraud, at least not in a criminal sense. KS makes zero guarantees about the projects presented; they act as nothing more than a money conduit between the creator and the backers, and it\'s entirely possible that someone can (and, I can guarantee you, eventually will) take the cash from a million-dollar project and abscond to Barbados, and there is precisely fark-all the law can do about it. (Civil actions, though, are another story.)


 


Yes, someone who pulled this stunt had better get everything they want out of it the first time, because word will get out and they will never get a dime from anyone again, but there\'s no reason it can\'t happen. Caveat emptor.


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 10, 2013, 03:27:41 PM

In England there was a show where teams would invest 100k of funny money in whatever companies they wanted, and it went by the title Show Me the Money.


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: MikeK on May 10, 2013, 06:11:56 PM

Several years ago, Jim Cramer had a similar segment with college students and they tracked stocks over an extended period of time, possibly a week or two weeks, with the top school winning scholarship money.

Was this different than the Fast Money MBC Challenge that aired on CNBC about five years ago? Thing I remember about that is that the two finalist schools put all their seed money into energy stocks.

Oops.


That might have been it.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 14, 2013, 10:48:20 PM
I liked it. Pat Kiernan has some business acumen behind him and isn\'t just a pretty-face interviewer. I\'ve never seen a show where the two hosts make up part of the voting, but they\'re two votes out of 100, which is made up of CEOs and various business-minded folks.

Recommended.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on May 15, 2013, 11:31:57 PM
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[quote name=\\\"TLEbe][quote name=\"MikeK\" post=\"309216\"]Several years ago, Jim Cramer had a similar segment with college students and they tracked stocks over an extended period of time, possibly a week or two weeks, with the top school winning scholarship money.
Was this different than the Fast Money MBC Challenge that aired on CNBC about five years ago? Thing I remember about that is that the two finalist schools put all their seed money into energy stocks.Oops.[/quote]That might have been it.[/quote]
The Fast Money MBA Challenge was a fairly straightforward quizzer hosted by Dylan Ratigan, IIRC. I remember it having a round called Hostile Takeover, but it being no more than \"challenge the weakest player on the other team to answer this tough question\". I don\'t recall Jim Cramer being involved with that show; however, he has done college tours that may resemble what Mike is referring to.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: colonial on May 30, 2013, 12:50:13 PM

\"Crowd Rules\" has been yanked after just two episodes due to lousy ratings....


 


http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/crowd-rules-removed-from-cnbc-schedule_b181536


 


JD


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 30, 2013, 12:59:42 PM
That would explain the airing of \"60 Minutes on CNBC\" that my Tivo grabbed instead of Crowd Rules.

What rating did it get, and what were they expecting?
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: colonial on May 30, 2013, 01:17:43 PM

Crowd Rules debuted to 47,000 total viewers and 12,000 in the 25-54 demo, according to TVNewser.  By comparison, two other CNBC \"reality\" shows, Treasure Detectives and Car Chasers, drew five times the demo and 5-6 times the overall numbers as \"Crowd Rules\" -- I\'m thinking CNBC was expecting at least 200,000 overall/50,000 demo for the show.


 


Last week, Fox Business beat CNBC for the first time ever in a non-election primetime night.  \"Cavuto\" and a rerun of \"The Willis Report\" beat, you guessed it, \"Crowd Rules\".


 


JD


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: clemon79 on May 30, 2013, 01:28:12 PM

Pat Kiernan is canned after two episodes, and Brooke Burns gets The Chase.


 


Life really isn\'t fair.


Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: BrandonFG on May 30, 2013, 01:41:40 PM
Crowd Rules debuted to 47,000 total viewers and 12,000 in the 25-54 demo, according to TVNewser.  By comparison, two other CNBC \"reality\" shows, Treasure Detectives and Car Chasers, drew five times the demo and 5-6 times the overall numbers as \"Crowd Rules\" -- I\'m thinking CNBC was expecting at least 200,000 overall/50,000 demo for the show.

People would rather watch two shows that barely belong on the History Channel, let alone a financial news station.


 


Either I\'m underestimating the average American viewer, or people really, really love shows about people buying antique shiat.

Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 30, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
I try to not go to the Idiocracy well too often because I think it is the easy shot to take and it isn\'t always warranted, but I think it is appropriate here.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on May 30, 2013, 11:20:35 PM
[quote name=\"clemon79\" post=\"310214\" timestamp=\"1369934892\"]Pat Kiernan is canned after two episodes, and Brooke Burns gets The Chase.
 
Life really isn\'t fair.[/quote]
THIS.
Title: Crowd Rules with Pat Kiernan
Post by: TLEberle on May 31, 2013, 01:27:56 AM
I don\'t like being a TV snob; it\'s unbecoming and I love trashy television like anyone. What makes me angry is that people actually had a chance to learn something. This wasn\'t just Queen for a Day where whoever has the hardest-luck story wins the money. If you were paying attention you could see what happens on the business side of a business, and that profits and payroll don\'t just come from magical gnomes who poop net income on the books. You could also see the challenges and travails of a company, whether self-made or happenstance, and how those businesses deal with the hard times.

A really good show that manages to be positive and upbeat without being cloying or preachy is nuked after two weeks, yet there are so many empty calorie \"reality\" shows that are unworthy of our time that they could fill a Pringles can.