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Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: xavier45 on March 19, 2012, 07:59:49 PM
The 14 day schedule from Zap2it shows that both Password Plus and Super Password are returning to the schedule starting April 2nd. Password Plus will air at 10:00am and Super Password will air at 11:30am. Also, The $25,000 Pyramid will return to its old 10:30am slot as well. The schedule goes up to 7:00pm that day, so the status of both Card Sharks is not known.

Hey, wasn't GSN supposed to get rid of all the classics by March? :P
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: tyshaun1 on March 19, 2012, 11:25:57 PM
Educated guess (No pun intended)........ Card Sharks's contract is up.

The 14 day schedule from Zap2it shows that both Password Plus and Super Password are returning to the schedule starting April 2nd. Password Plus will air at 10:00am and Super Password will air at 11:30am. Also, The $25,000 Pyramid will return to its old 10:30am slot as well. The schedule goes up to 7:00pm that day, so the status of both Card Sharks is not known.

Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on March 19, 2012, 11:44:33 PM
Educated guess (No pun intended)........ Card Sharks's contract is up.
Educated indeed.  People seem to forget that late-March/early-April appears to be the calendar point for their Fremantle deals.  We're coming up on the third anniversary of the major shakeup (http://"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17479") when most of the second-tier Goodson-Todman stuff disappeared.  Since then, it seems every year at that time (http://"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19865") there's been some sort of less-seismic but still noteworthy schedule change with regard to the classics.  This year appears to be no exception.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: tpirfan28 on March 20, 2012, 09:16:49 AM
2:00AM: Jeopardy!
2:30AM: Password Plus
3:00AM: $25,000 Pyramid
3:30AM: Super Password

Vanilla Password isn't anywhere.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: itiparanoid13 on March 20, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Not saying that this isn't happening just yet because I don't know, but, as far as I know, schedules that far have not been sent out.  The furthest-ahead schedule sent out that I have is the week of March 26th.  Zap2It may have gotten something no one else did, but they typically send everyone PDFs of the schedules at the same time and nothing beyond March 26th has been released.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on March 20, 2012, 10:11:04 AM
but they typically send everyone PDFs of the schedules at the same time and nothing beyond March 26th has been released.

And according to Casey Abell, never trust them.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: jjman920 on March 20, 2012, 10:30:06 AM
Well if this is true, I may finally have enough reason to return to GSN regularly. One of my favorite shows once again available for viewing on my television. I'll jump for joy once Alex receives and posts the PDFs.

Here's hoping they move Card Sharks and put "What's My Line?" and "I've Got a Secret" back at the 3am hour.

/Or maybe I should wake up and stop dreaming.
//I'll just wait until December.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: clemon79 on March 20, 2012, 01:15:29 PM
And according to Casey Abell, never trust them.
People still listen to him?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: xavier45 on March 20, 2012, 01:55:24 PM
And according to Casey Abell, never trust them.
People still listen to him?
Believe it or not, yes.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: clemon79 on March 20, 2012, 02:05:06 PM
Believe it or not, yes.
Actually, all things considered, yeah, I believe it.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on March 20, 2012, 02:21:53 PM
He continues to lurk here, and occasionally references something said on our board, either on his blog or on the GSN board, where he continues to post.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: xavier45 on March 20, 2012, 02:27:29 PM
I had an argument with him the other day about Harvey Feud being more racy than any of the other versions. He continues to say that Dawson was equal to Harvey in the Racy category, and that Harvey Feud "occasionally" uses dirty answers and questions. I don't know why I waste my time with the guy, but I do.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Chief-O on March 20, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
the GSN board, where he continues to post.

People continue to post there???

/left long ago
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: PYLdude on March 20, 2012, 07:39:59 PM
the GSN board, where he continues to post.

People continue to post there???

/left long ago

I still remember the content of my one post there, where I told a certain Geoff Edwards fanatic to get a life. To which I got a response of "why don't you shove it!!!".

Speaking of, whatever happened to said person?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on March 20, 2012, 07:46:08 PM
the GSN board, where he continues to post.

People continue to post there???

/left long ago

I still remember the content of my one post there, where I told a certain Geoff Edwards fanatic to get a life. To which I got a response of "why don't you shove it!!!".

Speaking of, whatever happened to said person?
Which?  The Geoff Edwards fanatic or the person who told you to shove it?  The Fanatic (http://"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showuser=1340") is still viewing the board, posting status updates to her GSF profile, and I assume she is still writing about her dreams about Geoff elsewhere.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: clemon79 on March 20, 2012, 07:50:48 PM
Well, did you shove it or what? (http://"http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/rudedog81/Mallrats-Halloran.jpg")
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: PYLdude on March 20, 2012, 08:11:41 PM
the GSN board, where he continues to post.

People continue to post there???

/left long ago

I still remember the content of my one post there, where I told a certain Geoff Edwards fanatic to get a life. To which I got a response of "why don't you shove it!!!".

Speaking of, whatever happened to said person?
Which?  The Geoff Edwards fanatic or the person who told you to shove it?  The Fanatic (http://"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showuser=1340") is still viewing the board, posting status updates to her GSF profile, and I assume she is still writing about her dreams about Geoff elsewhere.

FTR, Mark, the fanatic and person who told me to shove it are in fact one and the same. And I thank you for the information.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: aaron sica on March 20, 2012, 08:54:02 PM
I still remember the content of my one post there, where I told a certain Geoff Edwards fanatic to get a life. To which I got a response of "why don't you shove it!!!".

Speaking of, whatever happened to said person?

"Fanatic"? You're too kind. Obsessed to the Nth degree would be a better word.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: gamed121683 on March 20, 2012, 11:57:09 PM
Believe it or not, yes.
Actually, all things considered, yeah, I believe it.

Do those all things considered (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkq5CFGOBH4&feature=youtu.be&t=02s") need a theme song?

/Too highbrow?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: DrBear on March 21, 2012, 09:33:13 AM
I liked the old ATC theme better.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: tvmitch on March 21, 2012, 09:38:47 AM
It's good that Passwords are coming back, but if they start at the beginning of both series (especially SP) it would be a bit of a disappointment. I'd DVR it every day if they plunked us in the middle of '87-'88 or thereabouts.

But yes, good news, more Password is always a good thing.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: SRIV94 on March 21, 2012, 11:01:49 AM
It's good that Passwords are coming back, but if they start at the beginning of both series (especially SP) it would be a bit of a disappointment.
While I have no inside info, it's probably a good bet that they will.

And I'd guess only the first 200 episodes or so of each get shown.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: cmjb13 on March 21, 2012, 12:16:38 PM
It's good that Passwords are coming back, but if they start at the beginning of both series (especially SP) it would be a bit of a disappointment.
While I have no inside info, it's probably a good bet that they will.

And I'd guess only the first 200 episodes or so of each get shown.
Has GSN aired complete runs of both or are there still some episodes unseen since their original airing?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: SRIV94 on March 21, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
Has GSN aired complete runs of both or are there still some episodes unseen since their original airing?
Some episodes of each have been skipped, either for celebrity clearance issues or the tapes didn't get converted properly.  But we're not talking huge gaps here.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: xavier45 on March 21, 2012, 01:47:41 PM
PDF's are up now. Password Plus will start with the very first episode from 1979. Super Password looks to be starting with Christmas 1985, as the celebs are Jamie Farr and Gary Burghoff. The $25,000 Pyramid stays the '85-'86 season, and Match Game and Feud continue with '74 and 1980 respectively. Also, Flashback Friday will now be The $25,000 Pyramid.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on March 21, 2012, 01:53:33 PM
I don't see them anywhere on Buzzerblog. I only see 2-20 and 2-27.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: xavier45 on March 21, 2012, 01:57:48 PM
Sorry, they were on Abell's site.

https://acrobat.com/app.html#d=utulhGJqgeWCqfyBPVAbTw (April 2nd-8th)
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on March 21, 2012, 02:22:50 PM
Also, Flashback Friday will now be The $25,000 Pyramid.
Yay!  Bill Cullen!  Yay!

Wait.  I'm sorry, what?  Oh, OK.  Never mind.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: catnap1972 on March 21, 2012, 02:41:27 PM
PDF's are up now.  The $25,000 Pyramid stays the '85-'86 season, and Match Game and Feud continue with '74 and 1980 respectively.

Bah
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: SRIV94 on March 21, 2012, 03:08:14 PM
Super Password looks to be starting with Christmas 1985, as the celebs are Jamie Farr and Gary Burghoff.
Nope.  Veteran's Day 1985 (my 20th birthday, as it happens).  The following week (airing 4/9/12) has Pat Sajak/Nipsey Russell.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on March 21, 2012, 03:21:54 PM
I noticed that they will be showing the Tuesday episode of the Janis Paige & Michael Spound week of $25K Pyramid (0977). They didn't show that the last time they leased for it. They only showed the Monday episode (0976). Did they get a new lease perhaps?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: SRIV94 on March 21, 2012, 03:49:36 PM
Doubting it, since they go back to episode 828 the following Monday.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: BillCullen1 on March 21, 2012, 11:57:54 PM
Well if this is true, I may finally have enough reason to return to GSN regularly. One of my favorite shows once again available for viewing on my television. I'll jump for joy once Alex receives and posts the PDFs.

Here's hoping they move Card Sharks and put "What's My Line?" and "I've Got a Secret" back at the 3am hour.

/Or maybe I should wake up and stop dreaming.
//I'll just wait until December.

I think a better deal would be to get B&W and syndie episodes of WML and TTTT and show them, but given GSN's current direction, this is a pipe dream. With PP and SP back on GSN, they now have THREE versions of Password on, assuming they continue with Regis' version. Yeah I know, when you assume . . .
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Jay Temple on March 22, 2012, 12:59:59 AM
Also, Flashback Friday will now be The $25,000 Pyramid.
Yay!  Bill Cullen!  Yay!

Wait.  I'm sorry, what?  Oh, OK.  Never mind.
Well played, especially since I didn't notice it was you at first.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Bryce L. on March 22, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
Question to anyone here who could help:

I know that for some series referenced in the PDF, such as Password Plus and The $25,000 Pyramid, the episode number is simply a continuous running count of how many episodes have been produced since day 1, but there are some shows, like Match Game and the Feuds, where the episode number isn't exactly easy to understand at first glance (another good example, not on GSN, is the numbering scheme used by all non-Cullen American Price series). Does anyone here know how to "read" the Match Game or Family Feud episode numbers, so as to decipher when the original airdate was (or original intended airdate, as the case may be)?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: BrandonFG on March 22, 2012, 11:24:23 PM
Question to anyone here who could help:

I know that for some series referenced in the PDF, such as Password Plus and The $25,000 Pyramid, the episode number is simply a continuous running count of how many episodes have been produced since day 1, but there are some shows, like Match Game and the Feuds, where the episode number isn't exactly easy to understand at first glance (another good example, not on GSN, is the numbering scheme used by all non-Cullen American Price series). Does anyone here know how to "read" the Match Game or Family Feud episode numbers, so as to decipher when the original airdate was (or original intended airdate, as the case may be)?
If they're showing Match Game 74 0176 is likely episode number 176. It could very well be episode 76 of the first season, but that would only be about two or three months into the run, so late-summer, early-fall of 1973.

With Dawson Feud, 80-155 appears to be episode 155 of the 1980-81 season. The current version is labeled similarly, where FF03-10 appears to be the 10th episode of the 2003-04 season, with Karn hosting. O'Hurley and Harvey episodes have the same designations.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Bryce L. on March 22, 2012, 11:48:57 PM
Question to anyone here who could help:

I know that for some series referenced in the PDF, such as Password Plus and The $25,000 Pyramid, the episode number is simply a continuous running count of how many episodes have been produced since day 1, but there are some shows, like Match Game and the Feuds, where the episode number isn't exactly easy to understand at first glance (another good example, not on GSN, is the numbering scheme used by all non-Cullen American Price series). Does anyone here know how to "read" the Match Game or Family Feud episode numbers, so as to decipher when the original airdate was (or original intended airdate, as the case may be)?
If they're showing Match Game 74 0176 is likely episode number 176. It could very well be episode 76 of the first season, but that would only be about two or three months into the run, so late-summer, early-fall of 1973.

With Dawson Feud, 80-155 appears to be episode 155 of the 1980-81 season. The current version is labeled similarly, where FF03-10 appears to be the 10th episode of the 2003-04 season, with Karn hosting. O'Hurley and Harvey episodes have the same designations.

Thank you. But your answer raises another question for me. With regard to Dawson's Feud, since there were both an ABC daytime and a nighttime syndicated series produced concurrently, would there be any way to differentiate between an ABC daytime show and a nighttime syndicated show, just from looking at the episode number? Or would you need to view the episode itself (since watching will definitely settle day vs. night, with $5k fast money in day and $10k at night)
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: snowpeck on March 23, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Question to anyone here who could help:

I know that for some series referenced in the PDF, such as Password Plus and The $25,000 Pyramid, the episode number is simply a continuous running count of how many episodes have been produced since day 1, but there are some shows, like Match Game and the Feuds, where the episode number isn't exactly easy to understand at first glance (another good example, not on GSN, is the numbering scheme used by all non-Cullen American Price series). Does anyone here know how to "read" the Match Game or Family Feud episode numbers, so as to decipher when the original airdate was (or original intended airdate, as the case may be)?
If they're showing Match Game 74 0176 is likely episode number 176. It could very well be episode 76 of the first season, but that would only be about two or three months into the run, so late-summer, early-fall of 1973.

With Dawson Feud, 80-155 appears to be episode 155 of the 1980-81 season. The current version is labeled similarly, where FF03-10 appears to be the 10th episode of the 2003-04 season, with Karn hosting. O'Hurley and Harvey episodes have the same designations.

Thank you. But your answer raises another question for me. With regard to Dawson's Feud, since there were both an ABC daytime and a nighttime syndicated series produced concurrently, would there be any way to differentiate between an ABC daytime show and a nighttime syndicated show, just from looking at the episode number? Or would you need to view the episode itself (since watching will definitely settle day vs. night, with $5k fast money in day and $10k at night)

(Edited because I remembered the true numbering system from nighttime Feud, and what I posted previously was wrong.)

Remembering from the last time nighttime Feud was on the lineup, the numbering system was completely different.  The first season of Feud (which was weekly) is numbered 77-01 through 77-39. From there on out, the first two digits are the year, the third digit is the season number, and the last two digits are the episode number of that season.  

For instance, in the 78-79 season, you'll have episodes 78-201 through 79-251 or so, and the next season starts with 79-301.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Bryce L. on March 23, 2012, 03:00:06 AM
If they're showing Match Game 74 0176 is likely episode number 176. It could very well be episode 76 of the first season, but that would only be about two or three months into the run, so late-summer, early-fall of 1973.

You are correct that 0176 is indeed episode number 176, which originally aired Thursday, March 28, 1974. I googled "match game episode guide", which led me to the guide hosted on Joe Madigan's site, and episode 176 in his list has the same celebrity listings as the episode marked "0176" on the PDF. So that is a mystery solved for me. Thank you.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Dan88 on March 23, 2012, 03:00:10 AM
Remembering from the last time nighttime Feud was on the lineup, the numbering system was completely different. The first season of Feud (which was weekly) is numbered 77-01 through 77-39. From there on out, the first two digits are the year, the third digit is the season number, and the last two digits are the episode number of that season.

For instance, in the 78-79 season, you'll have episodes 78-201 through 79-251 or so, and the next season starts with 79-301.
Okay, I'm confused -- the nighttime episode I linked to here (http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22951) uses a number of 6-056 and FFN-81. It was taped June 9, 1981, so it can't be Season 6 (1982-83) unless they taped that far ahead.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Craig Karlberg on March 23, 2012, 03:18:28 AM
The one thing I always remember when watching a show off a satellite feed, the very first thing you see before the show starts is the program slate.  This tells you the name of the show as well as its episode(or production)#.  Akso, they show 2 dates:  the VTR(videotaped recording) date & the OAD(original airdate).  Unless you work at a station that carries the show or a video collector, those dates don't mean anyrhing at all.  Whenever I see these things, sometimes after the announcer says what's on that slate, certain sound effects or music would pop up.  Those were neat to hear every once in a while.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: snowpeck on March 23, 2012, 08:23:22 AM
Remembering from the last time nighttime Feud was on the lineup, the numbering system was completely different. The first season of Feud (which was weekly) is numbered 77-01 through 77-39. From there on out, the first two digits are the year, the third digit is the season number, and the last two digits are the episode number of that season.

For instance, in the 78-79 season, you'll have episodes 78-201 through 79-251 or so, and the next season starts with 79-301.
Okay, I'm confused -- the nighttime episode I linked to here (http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22951) uses a number of 6-056 and FFN-81. It was taped June 9, 1981, so it can't be Season 6 (1982-83) unless they taped that far ahead.

The numbering might have changed when nighttime Feud went to 5 days a week.  GSN didn't get too far into that era the last time they ran it.

EDIT: Looking back through the archive of PDF schedules at BuzzerBlog, they got through the 1980-1981 season (the first at five days a week), all with episode numbers preceded by a 4. They then skipped to episodes starting with a 6.  No episodes starting with a 5 were aired. Not sure exactly what that means.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: SRIV94 on March 23, 2012, 10:03:13 AM
With Dawson Feud, 80-155 appears to be episode 155 of the 1980-81 season.
Semantics, I know, but that's not quite right.  The daytime episodes were numbered by order of taping for a particular year.  Meaning 80-1 was the first daytime episode produced in 1980 (which actually didn't air until 2/7/80).  Any 1980 episode that aired before that had 79-xxx as its episode number.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Bryce L. on March 23, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
With Dawson Feud, 80-155 appears to be episode 155 of the 1980-81 season.
Semantics, I know, but that's not quite right.  The daytime episodes were numbered by order of taping for a particular year.  Meaning 80-1 was the first daytime episode produced in 1980 (which actually didn't air until 2/7/80).  Any 1980 episode that aired before that had 79-xxx as its episode number.

Somewhat off-topic, but that reminds me of the numbering scheme of the old soap opera "Dark Shadows" (which was on ABC as well, incidentally). Their scheme was as follows:

nnn-DRK-yy

where nnn was the number of the episode aired in the the year of broadcast, DRK meant "Dark Shadows", and yy was the last two digits of that year. For example, episode 135, the episode aired Friday, December 30, 1966, had the code 135-DRK-66, whereas episode 136, which aired Monday, January 2, 1967, had the code 1-DRK-67
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: aaron sica on March 24, 2012, 04:51:57 AM
where nnn was the number of the episode aired in the the year of broadcast, DRK meant "Dark Shadows", and yy was the last two digits of that year. For example, episode 135, the episode aired Friday, December 30, 1966, had the code 135-DRK-66, whereas episode 136, which aired Monday, January 2, 1967, had the code 1-DRK-67

And before the days of the internet (I got hooked on Dark Shadows in 1985), it was virtually impossible to date a program as the copyright date was erroneously left as 1966 for much of 1967....

/Looking forward to the movie
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Bryce L. on March 24, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
where nnn was the number of the episode aired in the the year of broadcast, DRK meant "Dark Shadows", and yy was the last two digits of that year. For example, episode 135, the episode aired Friday, December 30, 1966, had the code 135-DRK-66, whereas episode 136, which aired Monday, January 2, 1967, had the code 1-DRK-67

And before the days of the internet (I got hooked on Dark Shadows in 1985), it was virtually impossible to date a program as the copyright date was erroneously left as 1966 for much of 1967....

/Looking forward to the movie

Question, on the MPI Home Video VHS releases from 1989 to 1995, did they leave the slates intact? That would have definitively dated an episode...
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: That Don Guy on March 25, 2012, 09:13:14 PM
People seem to forget that late-March/early-April appears to be the calendar point for their Fremantle deals.
I remember two years ago, when both Card Sharks returned, and right on April 1 (which was a Thursday), but what happened last year?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on March 25, 2012, 09:48:12 PM
Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: aaron sica on March 25, 2012, 11:43:16 PM
Question, on the MPI Home Video VHS releases from 1989 to 1995, did they leave the slates intact? That would have definitively dated an episode...

I'm not sure...I didn't see a whole lot of VHS releases;  I got hooked on the show on a PBS station in 1985 for a few years, lost interest, and then got hooked on it all over again on Sci-Fi in '92.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: snowpeck on March 26, 2012, 06:45:53 AM
Question, on the MPI Home Video VHS releases from 1989 to 1995, did they leave the slates intact? That would have definitively dated an episode...

I'm not sure...I didn't see a whole lot of VHS releases;  I got hooked on the show on a PBS station in 1985 for a few years, lost interest, and then got hooked on it all over again on Sci-Fi in '92.

The "pre-Barnabas" episodes, yes (along with a handful right after his arrival), but the rest of the series, no.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: aaron sica on March 26, 2012, 07:57:27 AM
And can this be OBGameShow, and brought full circle at the same time? Most definitely.

To those younger viewers out there, "Dark Shadows" was cancelled in 1971. Its replacement on the ABC schedule? A revival of "Password".
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: That Don Guy on March 27, 2012, 07:16:35 PM
For some reason, the TV listings that AT&T U-Verse uses still has Card Sharks on at 3 AM and 3:30 AM on weeknights (well, technically it's Tuesday through Saturday).

I assume that GSN no longer has the rights to CS after 3/31, and U-Verse's listings provider is notorious for not updating changes, but this might affect anybody who can't record the morning airings for whatever reason.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: mmb5 on March 28, 2012, 09:25:22 AM
I assume that GSN no longer has the rights to CS after 3/31, and U-Verse's listings provider is notorious for not updating changes and U-Verse is notorious for not making updates given to them by their listings provider, but this might affect anybody who can't record the morning airings for whatever reason.
FTFY
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on March 28, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
I assume that GSN no longer has the rights to CS after 3/31, and U-Verse's listings provider is notorious for not updating changes and U-Verse is notorious for not making updates given to them by their listings provider, but this might affect anybody who can't record the morning airings for whatever reason.
FTFY
I'm glad TV Guide is still on the ball, but if U-Verse doesn't use the updates, how do we know?
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Bryce L. on March 28, 2012, 05:13:32 PM
I assume that GSN no longer has the rights to CS after 3/31, and U-Verse's listings provider is notorious for not updating changes and U-Verse is notorious for not making updates given to them by their listings provider, but this might affect anybody who can't record the morning airings for whatever reason.
FTFY
I'm glad TV Guide is still on the ball, but if U-Verse doesn't use the updates, how do we know?
Would the official GSN site always be 100% accurate? If it is, problem solved. If not, then... well, your guess is as good as mine then.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: CoreyArcher on March 28, 2012, 11:37:55 PM
Cool promo pic that DirecTV is using for the Super Password listing, with Bert Convy holding a Super Password sign. Never seen that one before.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: mmb5 on March 29, 2012, 08:22:03 AM
I'm glad TV Guide is still on the ball, but if U-Verse doesn't use the updates, how do we know?
Would the official GSN site always be 100% accurate? If it is, problem solved. If not, then... well, your guess is as good as mine then.
U-Verse doesn't use TV Guide data.  They use FYI Television.

If GSN is accurate in house, then yes, it's accurate.  I would assume the guide they post on-line is also used by whomever queues their programs.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on March 29, 2012, 11:30:11 AM
I'm glad TV Guide is still on the ball, but if U-Verse doesn't use the updates, how do we know?
Would the official GSN site always be 100% accurate? If it is, problem solved. If not, then... well, your guess is as good as mine then.
U-Verse doesn't use TV Guide data.  They use FYI Television.

If GSN is accurate in house, then yes, it's accurate.  I would assume the guide they post on-line is also used by whomever queues their programs.
Oh, sorry. I thought you worked for TVG,
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Post by: That Don Guy on March 30, 2012, 09:40:56 PM
U-Verse has gotten its act together, and the late night showings are now present

EDIT:
P+ question - I noticed that "woman" was an acceptable clue for "man", and also that Allen's description of the rules said that "the only difference" from the previous versions of the game was that passwords could now be two words (e.g. New York).  When did the "no antonyms" rule start?
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Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on April 17, 2012, 12:44:50 PM
Just recently, The new PDFs for May have been released. And for $25K Pyramid, it says "NEW" in the episode column. I foresee four possibilities:

1) It could be episodes that have never been shown on GSN before.

2) It could be from when the show was called The "NEW" $25,000 Pyramid, from November 1982-January 1985. The first season, perhaps?

3) It could be from any of the episodes that have never appeared on GSN before with the word "NEW" in the title, from late 1983-early 1985.

4) Maybe I'm reading into this too much.
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Post by: clemon79 on April 17, 2012, 01:17:02 PM
4) Maybe I'm reading into this too much.
This one.
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Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on April 17, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
4) Maybe I'm reading into this too much.
This one.

Making too big a deal of it? Sure.  But he might actually have some semblance of a point on this one.

The episode numbers for all of the episodes they currently lease are  shown in the PDF guides. If it were one of those ~200 episodes GSN leased,  it stands to reason the episode number would be provided.  GSN's  scheduling of the show following the most recent cycle-through is been a  little unusual anyway - the show was taken off the schedule for several  months despite being consistently the network's highest rated older  show.  This time, instead of cycling back to the beginning of the run,  they're jumping back to several months into the lease, airing a couple  of weeks, then jumping back to *June 1986*, close to the end of the  leased block.  

Unless something's changed in the last couple of years, most shows tend  to be leased for either a certain period of time, and/or a certain  number of broadcasts on-the-air. Most of the shows being aired between  the end of the most recent airplay cycle and the "New" episodes listed  starting 5/7 happen to be shows that got skipped over at least once for  various reasons.  It's quite possible that GSN has used their allotment  of airplays on their current $25,000 Pyramid lease, and so given the  choice between paying to continue running the 1985-86 episodes and  paying a similar amount to run new episodes, they've opted for the latter.  

GSN has run Sept. 1982-Sept. 1983, Sept. 1985-June 1986, and Nov. 1987 to the finale, and as far as I know they have the details for all of the above logged in their system. As far as I know, GSN's PDFs appear to just be a printout  of their scheduling system,
 If GSN doesn't have the episode details for the "New" episodes, it's probably either episodes they haven't previously broadcast and don't have the information logged for, or else they don't have the leased finalized and are using it as a placeholder until they know what they're running (though, if it were the latter that's typically marked "TBA")
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Post by: gsfan85 on April 18, 2012, 09:10:40 AM
Just recently, The new PDFs for May have been released. And for $25K Pyramid, it says "NEW" in the episode column. I foresee four possibilities:

1) It could be episodes that have never been shown on GSN before.

2) It could be from when the show was called The "NEW" $25,000 Pyramid, from November 1982-January 1985. The first season, perhaps?

3) It could be from any of the episodes that have never appeared on GSN before with the word "NEW" in the title, from late 1983-early 1985.

4) Maybe I'm reading into this too much.


Where do you go to download these PDF's?  Would love to see them.
Thanks!
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Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on April 18, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
They're from Casey Abell's site "Game Show Follies".

I can't stand him half the time, though. He keeps referring to classic audiences as the "older is better" crowd, as if they think EVERYTHING before 1990 is good, and EVERYTHING after 1990 is bad, and I know that is NOT true.
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on April 18, 2012, 11:38:42 AM
I can't stand him half the time, though. He keeps referring to classic audiences as the "older is better" crowd, as if they think EVERYTHING before 1990 is good, and EVERYTHING after 1990 is bad, and I know that is NOT true.
Assigning blanket opinions to other people in order to make your point is not a good way to make friends.  Apparently, even the "silly" hoo-hah over Steve Harvey's naughty Feud material is motivated only because the Harvey version is the new version and therefore isn't as revered as the past incarnations.  Oh, and also unfair because Richard Dawson once made a joke about prostitution.  So see, they're exactly the same.

Bless his heart, Casey once tried very hard to establish a Wikipedia page about me, and I'll always be appreciative (and more than a little amused) about that.  But nowadays, it seems the majority of his posts are simply digs at us, the GSN board, Alex, or any other bit of fandom he can look down at from on high.  He's become Steve Beverly without even the professorial cloak of credibility.  (Except that the conservative Prof no doubt hates Harvey's material too.)

BTW, the last time we mentioned him on our board, it made him so happy that he mocked up his own Hollywood Walk of Fame "star".  If WE got that excited every time he mentioned US, we'd have a row of Oscars by now.
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Post by: BrandonFG on April 18, 2012, 12:03:26 PM
"Game show fans haven't suddenly turned super-prudish about a show with no sex or violence at all."

Good to see Casey's still a tool. The forum's better off without his condescending jackassery.
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Post by: clemon79 on April 18, 2012, 01:29:06 PM
Good to see Casey's still a tool. The forum's better off without his condescending jackassery.
I kinda enjoyed him. Mainly because it was SO easy to poke Mack Truck-sized holes in his arguments and that frustrated him SO much.
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Post by: Jay Temple on April 18, 2012, 01:56:13 PM
I noticed that the "N/R" designation on the PDF's appears to say whether the show has appeared on GSN before. The 5/7 morning listing shows "N", but the overnight listing says "R,", and all subsequent airings show R as well. That would seem to rule out any show that has never run on GSN, but it doesn't rule out the possibility that some other interval is taking the place of the 1985-86 season. That would still make me, to paraphrase a former employer, as happy as a pig in slop.
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Post by: J.R. on April 18, 2012, 03:15:53 PM
I remember when Casey would try to do this monthly "report" on the state of GSN's ratings. And it would always be a "Debbie Downer" diatribe on how poor said ratings were and that you all should feel ashamed for watching an "old people network".

I'm with Chris. He was fun to poke at since the smug tantrums he'd throw whenever you tried to refute him were entertaining.
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Post by: PYLdude on April 18, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
I read how he refused to interview some MTV guy.

The fact that MTV even sought him out to interview the guy should have humbled him.
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Post by: catnap1972 on May 06, 2012, 02:28:17 PM
The thread went way off in a million directions, but apparently GSN will be airing Donnymid all this week in place of $25,000 Pyramid.  Nobody knows if this will just be for a week or it's a permanent replacement.
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Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on May 06, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Great. The version conceived by Harry "I don't know what the hell made Pyramid a great show in the first place" Friedman. How wonderful.

Besides the pickier-than-ever judging, I also hated the new category titles, which were somewhat longer sentences, and they weren't the least bit cleverly-written. They were cringe-worthy.

What was wrong with the original short, misleading titles? They were in every other version of the show, including the Davidson version, and even the British version that Donny hosted.
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Post by: BrandonFG on May 06, 2012, 02:55:35 PM
Great. The version conceived by Harry "I don't know what the hell made Pyramid a great show in the first place" Friedman. How wonderful.
Jeopardy!. Wheel. Donnymid. So he got 1 out of 3 wrong, even though it wasn't quite as bad as your little tirade went. Your little nickname for him is a bit unwarranted.

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Besides the pickier inconsistent-than-ever judging,
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I also hated the new category titles, which were somewhat longer sentences, and they weren't the least bit cleverly-written. They were cringe-worthy.
Fine. Agreed there.

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What was wrong with the original short, misleading titles? They were in every other version of the show, including the Davidson version, and even the British version that Donny hosted.
It was likely following the formula that a few game shows were using at the time. Win Ben Stein's Money comes to mind. I had a bigger problem with some of the Winner's Circle categories.
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Post by: TLEberle on May 06, 2012, 09:00:49 PM
Great. The version conceived by Harry "I don't know what the hell made Pyramid a great show in the first place" Friedman. How wonderful.
Huh? What does this mean? Harry had been running Wheel and Jeopardy for a few years at that point, and they were doing just fine.

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I also hated the new category titles, which were somewhat longer sentences, and they weren't the least bit cleverly-written. They were cringe-worthy.
Just because you didn't get the joke/like what they were going for doesn't mean they were bad/wrong.

Blah blah blah, words words words.
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Post by: J.R. on May 06, 2012, 10:17:35 PM
Great. The version conceived by Harry "I don't know what the hell made Pyramid a great show in the first place" Friedman. How wonderful.
You're almost too good to be true.
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Post by: PYLdude on May 06, 2012, 11:06:52 PM
Great. The version conceived by Harry "I don't know what the hell made Pyramid a great show in the first place" Friedman. How wonderful.
Jeopardy!. Wheel. Donnymid. So he got 1 out of 3 wrong, even though it wasn't quite as bad as your little tirade went. Your little nickname for him is a bit unwarranted.

Wasn't he also behind Davidson Squares and Caesars Challenge?

Not saying gameshowlover's labeling is right, because it isn't, but it seems to me Harry's gotten more turds than gold.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 06, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
I also hated the new category titles, which were somewhat longer sentences, and they weren't the least bit cleverly-written. They were cringe-worthy.
Just because you didn't get the joke/like what they were going for doesn't mean they were bad/wrong.
I dunno. In all of the blather in there, I thought he hit the nail on the head here. :)
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Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on May 06, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
I liked Davidson's Squares and Caesar's Challenge. I thought they were good shows.

But Donnymid, on the other hand, I felt Friedman really messed with that one, more than even J! and WOF combined.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 06, 2012, 11:38:44 PM
But Donnymid, on the other hand, I felt Friedman really messed with that one, more than even J! and WOF combined.
Most reasonable people do not disagree with you.

That, however, makes your little rant no less hyperbolic and silly.
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Post by: TLEberle on May 06, 2012, 11:38:53 PM
But Donnymid, on the other hand, I felt Friedman really messed with that one, more than even J! and WOF combined.
Laughing out loud, what?
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Post by: BrandonFG on May 07, 2012, 12:52:06 AM
Wasn't he also behind Davidson Squares and Caesars Challenge?

Not saying gameshowlover's labeling is right, because it isn't, but it seems to me Harry's gotten more turds than gold.
Was it Davidson's Squares too? I know he worked on Marshall's in the 70s, but even if he worked with Davidson's version, that still got a good three years. I wouldn't call that a failure either.

Caesar's Challenge I'll partially give you, but only because, by 1993, network game shows were a dying breed. I've said before the show had a solid format, but premiered either 5 years too early or too late. In either case, I think CC could've lasted in the late-80s or late-90s, the latter in syndication or on cable.
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Post by: TLEberle on May 07, 2012, 12:59:32 AM
Not saying gameshowlover's labeling is right, because it isn't, but it seems to me Harry's gotten more turds than gold.
Wheel of Fortune.

Jeopardy.

He can say what he wants, and can caterwaul about the "cringe worthy somewhat-longer sentences", but he's wrong.
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Post by: Dan88 on May 07, 2012, 02:57:12 AM
Wheel of Fortune.
I respectfully disagree. Sure, Harry's made some good decisions (and quite a few of them), but more have been head-scratching at best and "WTF?!" at worst. Fun fact: he was contacted for the job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQr3_jrvpuk) by an old friend, Sony Pictures Entertainment CEO Alan Levine, because Sony thought the show looked tired and dated -- they wanted to take Wheel in a different direction.

There was a discussion on here some time back about Wheel players never coming back, and it was argued that passing over someone who already "had their day in the sun" was the better path. What wasn't brought up is that J! has always allowed non-Trebek players to return; what's good for one should be good for the other, right?

Yes, Wheel is still mega-popular and is the same show at its core, but the aesthetics have been altered to the point of resembling pretty much every million-dollar game show of the past decade (while J! has remained quite watchable and far from that sinkhole). IMO, Wheel seems not only tired and dated but stale, cold, and uncaring.
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Post by: Mr. Armadillo on May 07, 2012, 08:46:26 AM
What wasn't brought up is that J! has always allowed non-Trebek players to return; what's good for one should be good for the other, right?
By this logic, basketball should introduce an offsides rule if a player crosses half-court before the ball does, because that rule is good for hockey.
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Post by: BrandonFG on May 07, 2012, 08:50:20 AM
Wheel of Fortune.
I respectfully disagree. Sure, Harry's made some good decisions (and quite a few of them), but more have been head-scratching at best and "WTF?!" at worst. Fun fact: he was contacted for the job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQr3_jrvpuk) by an old friend, Sony Pictures Entertainment CEO Alan Levine, because Sony thought the show looked tired and dated -- they wanted to take Wheel in a different direction.

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Yes, Wheel is still mega-popular and is the same show at its core,
Which means Harry's done something right. He's kept the show popular for the casual fan, even with all the changes.

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but the aesthetics have been altered to the point of resembling pretty much every million-dollar game show of the past decade (while J! has remained quite watchable and far from that sinkhole). IMO, Wheel seems not only tired and dated but stale, cold, and uncaring.
I can't say I agree. Not that some changes don't sit right, but I'll give "Wheel" credit for keeping itself modern while still keeping the feel of a classic game. Honestly, if it kept the same format from 1983, it would get just as stale and in some cases, slowed to a halt depending on the shopping to be done.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 07, 2012, 01:16:45 PM
I respectfully disagree.
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Yes, Wheel is still mega-popular and is the same show at its core,
...which is precisely what he was hired to accomplish, and he could give two good goddamns if you approve of his work or not.

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but the aesthetics have been altered to the point of resembling pretty much every million-dollar game show of the past decade
I know you occasionally have vision issues, but I had no idea they were this bad, because Good Jeebus, you couldn't be further off the mark here.
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Post by: J.R. on May 07, 2012, 03:21:15 PM
Has Dan's "rant" earned him a Troll Score?

/good grief
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Post by: BrandonFG on May 07, 2012, 03:40:08 PM
Has Dan's "rant" earned him a Troll Score?

/good grief
Not quite. His posts, while occasionally filled with far-reaching logic, tinfoil theories and overreactions, lean more towards fanboyism, in terms of thinking that game show producers are obligated to cater to we nerds, instead of the general public (read: the ones who don't notice 1/10 of the changes the forum gripes about at times*).

*Myself included
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Post by: clemon79 on May 07, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
Not quite. His posts, while occasionally filled with far-reaching logic, tinfoil theories and overreactions, lean more towards fanboyism, in terms of thinking that game show producers are obligated to cater to we nerds, instead of the general public (read: the ones who don't notice 1/10 of the changes the forum gripes about at times*).
Yeah. It would really help if people (and not just Joe) were more cognizant of the fact that in order to be a troll, you have to be intentionally be trying to rile people up with your posts (and usually by saying something you don't actually believe). If someone is simply utterly clueless, pretty much by definition they're not a troll because they don't have enough of a clue to know what *would* rile people up.
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Post by: J.R. on May 07, 2012, 04:53:38 PM
Fair enough, it's just those posts are sometimes just too good to be true.
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Post by: Dan88 on May 07, 2012, 05:16:11 PM
(Sorry this is long.)
Yes, Wheel is still mega-popular and is the same show at its core,
...which is precisely what he was hired to accomplish
Harry Friedman was hired to lead the show in a "different direction" because he was friends with a Sony CEO...oh, and Sony thought Wheel as produced by Nancy Jones was tired and dated. As I said, he's made good changes, but the bad ones are rarely fixed and good ones sometimes disappear. Further, just because a show runs for years doesn't automatically mean it's a quality program. "It's still hangman meets roulette. There's still a puzzleboard, a Wheel of money, three players, and a Bonus Round. What's the problem?"

The format of any game show can be solid, but it's the entire package that matters, and a good format can be brought down by the host, set, contestants, budget, etc. Of course, a good host can salvage an otherwise-bad overall package, so it really depends.

but the aesthetics have been altered to the point of resembling pretty much every million-dollar game show of the past decade
you couldn't be further off the mark here.
How so? $1,000,000 top prize: check. Generic music: check. Dark set with crappy neon lighting: check. "Ambient" music playing at certain times: check. Players who don't deserve to win but do so anyway: check. Plugs that feel recycled to the point where the announcer might as well not be in the studio: check.

From what I can tell, there's at least a few parallels. Minus, arguably, the top prize, the aforementioned hurts the overall package compared to, for example, 2000.

His posts ... lean more towards fanboyism, in terms of thinking that game show producers are obligated to cater to we nerds, instead of the general public (read: the ones who don't notice 1/10 of the changes the forum gripes about at times*).
For me, all I want is quality in a series. Using puzzles like CATCHING SOME OF THE GREATEST WAVES EVER or WHERE DO I PICK UP MY SKI-LIFT TICKETS?, throwing out Merv's music while retaining some form of it on Jeopardy!, audiences that barely respond to anything, and "WTF?" things like Vanna For A "Day" and the Season 28 dubfest do not contribute to or represent a quality production.

I'm not asking for the shopping format or manual puzzleboard, because I know that's a massive step backward -- I want audiences who actually want to be there, players who don't risk nearly $10,000 on the Mystery Wedge, good puzzles (no I LOVE MY PASSPORT PHOTO crap), and an actual prize/cash variety.

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FosterGray, you're right -- game show producers aren't obligated to cater to nerds, even when they get called out on their stupidity (see: Donnymid), but that doesn't give them an excuse to sacrifice quality. If your show is quality, people will find it even if the network has no faith in it (see: Million-Dollar Mind Game) -- and even if a quality show perishes quickly, it'll become at least a cult classic and have some fans. I'm not sure when new entries pretty much gave up trying for quality and opted for artificial padding, drawn-out reveals, and pandering to certain demographics...but that kind of crap needs to stop, because if contestants point out the padding on-air {see: American Duel, You Deserve It), you're doing it wrong.
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Post by: TLEberle on May 07, 2012, 05:33:28 PM
Vanna For Rounds 2-3 A Day
Your obsession with the strikethrough trope shreds whatever microns of credibility you had.

Blah blah blah, words words words.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on May 07, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
(Sorry this is long.)
So the millions of people who watch it every night are wrong, and you're right, because?
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Post by: J.R. on May 07, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
Is there a Game Show Forum Hall of Fame? If there is, I'd like to induct Dan's post to it.

It's that epic.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 07, 2012, 05:48:16 PM
Harry Friedman was hired to lead the show in a "different direction" because he was friends with a Sony CEO...
There's a big, potentially libelious, leap in logic.

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How so? $1,000,000 top prize: check. Generic music: check. Dark set with crappy neon lighting: check. "Ambient" music playing at certain times: check. Players who don't deserve to win but do so anyway: check. Plugs that feel recycled to the point where the announcer might as well not be in the studio: check.
Yeah, talk to me when they have a taping in Monroe, Maryland. (Dark set with crappy neon lighting? Really? You're really serious?)

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If your show is quality, people will find it even if the network has no faith in it (see: Million-Dollar Mind Game)
If enough people actually found it...it would still be running.

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-- and even if a quality show perishes quickly, it'll become at least a cult classic
Which, along with a dime, might get you a whiff of a cup of coffee.

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you're doing it wrong.
And how long have you been the producer of the #1 syndicated program in the history of evar?
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Post by: TLEberle on May 07, 2012, 06:08:34 PM
Let's not forget that in the silly "Let's pretend we're reviewing a pilot for Wheel of Fortune" thread a while back, Dan looked down his nose, reeled off that same list and said that he'd take a pass on The Wheel.

So there's that.
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Post by: Tim L on May 07, 2012, 06:11:44 PM
And Dan88 is the only right one to decide what "quality" is..right..With WOF approaching 40 years (daytime and nighttime)..There must be enough quality there, or people wouldnt keep watching it..I love threads like this..so entertaining..
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Post by: clemon79 on May 07, 2012, 06:12:30 PM
Let's not forget that in the silly "Let's pretend we're reviewing a pilot for Wheel of Fortune" thread a while back, Dan looked down his nose, reeled off that same list and said that he'd take a pass on The Wheel.

So there's that.
I'd forgotten. That was awesome.
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Post by: J.R. on May 07, 2012, 06:40:36 PM
Here's the aforementioned post on passing WOF (http://"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19754&view=findpost&p=236807")

It is indeed something... uh... something.

/The "signature" is the best part.
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Post by: Dan88 on May 07, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
(Sorry this is long.)
So the millions of people who watch it every night are wrong, and you're right, because?
Never said, implied, or suggested that any viewers were wrong (if I did in fact say that, I apologize for doing so as it was never my intention). I am only pointing out what detracts from the show for me, which I admittedly should've made clearer, and clarified my standing on quality programming. I, like many on this forum (and as FosterGray pointed out), tend to notice things that general viewers don't.

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If your show is quality, people will find it even if the network has no faith in it (see: Million-Dollar Mind Game)
If enough people actually found it...it would still be running.
Given where it was slotted (Sunday afternoons against football) and how long it took to begin airing after ABC first announced it was taping episodes (about a year), I'm pretty sure ABC was just trying to burn it off and opted to screw the surprisingly-high-given-the-circumstances ratings by not renewing the show they clearly weren't going to renew anyway. (They tried putting You Deserve It reruns in that slot, and those did nowhere near as well as MDMG.)

Harry Friedman was hired to lead the show in a "different direction" because he was friends with a Sony CEO...
There's a big, potentially libelious, leap in logic.
Harry said in the 2007 interview I linked to that he was told about the job by Alan Levine, an "old friend" of his who also happened to be CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment, the company that was looking for someone to produce Wheel. As such, I used logic...but you are of course right, I took it too far. (No sarcasm here.)

Let's not forget that in the silly "Let's pretend we're reviewing a pilot for Wheel of Fortune" thread a while back, Dan looked down his nose, reeled off that same list and said that he'd take a pass on The Wheel.
...I did?

*looks at said post*

Wow, that was an...enlightening...experience from two years ago; clearly, definitely, undeniably......something. I actually shook my head while reading that...thing...for many reasons, chiefly being that I actually said no. And that's all I'll say on that.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 07, 2012, 10:03:35 PM
Wow, that was an...enlightening...experience from two years ago;
Jesus, you've been around for two years now?
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Post by: PYLdude on May 08, 2012, 12:36:56 AM
Harry Friedman was hired to lead the show in a "different direction" because he was friends with a Sony CEO...
There's a big, potentially libelious, leap in logic.
Harry said in the 2007 interview I linked to that he was told about the job by Alan Levine, an "old friend" of his who also happened to be CEO of Sony Pictures Entertainment, the company that was looking for someone to produce Wheel. As such, I used logic...but you are of course right, I took it too far. (No sarcasm here.)

That sure as hell wasn't what you were implying, though. Logic would dictate that perhaps there was coincidence involved, which it sure seems like to me.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 08, 2012, 12:45:04 AM
Oh, I don't think it's coincidental in the least that Harry got a phone call because he was friends with Levine. But I sure as hell think that his qualifications might have had something to do with his being hired for the position.
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Post by: BrandonFG on May 08, 2012, 01:07:00 AM
How so? $1,000,000 top prize: check. Generic music: check. Dark set with crappy neon lighting: check. "Ambient" music playing at certain times: check. Players who don't deserve to win but do so anyway: check. Plugs that feel recycled to the point where the announcer might as well not be in the studio: check.
This could take a while, but allow me to relax your fears. The million dollars is still pretty tough to win, and given that it's been 3-1/2 years since someone won, I'd say the gimmick isn't anywhere close to being as bad as say, the Million Dollar Mission on D/ND.

The dark set is only when they're in California, and even then it's still about as bright as the Vegas strip at night. That's a handful of weeks out of however many are in a season.

The ambient music is nothing more than thinking music during Toss-Ups, the speed round, and the bonus round. A total of what, 2 minutes out of 21-22? I consider the music no different than the metronome used during Alphabetics, or the "doot-doot-doot" during the Winners Circle. It still adds tension to the round.

Define "players who don't deserve to win". If you mean too much money is given away, then perhaps. But I actually enjoy seeing a show where contestants can still win something just for showing up. And I'll take $1,000 over Rice-A-Roni and Turtle Wax any day of the week.

The days of an announcer reading live copy are more or less gone, with the exception of TPiR. Like with consolation prizes, I'm glad to see there's still a game show that still gives some semblance of a damn about having an announcer. And I guarantee you, the average fan at home doesn't even care about that, let alone whether Jim Thornton is there live or prerecorded.

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I'm not asking for the shopping format or manual puzzleboard, because I know that's a massive step backward -- I want audiences who actually want to be there
Huh? Aren't a lot of Wheel's audience members tourists? I'm sure they want to be there, and have no problem waving for the camera.

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players who don't risk nearly $10,000 on the Mystery Wedge, good puzzles (no I LOVE MY PASSPORT PHOTO crap), and an actual prize/cash variety.
Indifferent on the players taking risks, although that's the fun of a game show; agree on the puzzle-writing; indifferent on the prize/cash variety. Contestants want cash, cars, and trips, probably in that order, although 2 and 3 can be switched. I think the producers even said that's the prizes contestants like the most. Why not cater to them, especially when the reaction to winning a car looks a lot better than the annuities, gold bars, or jewelry they were giving away 20 years ago.

For all the issues I have with Wheel (very few; the puzzles and the goofy theme weeks, and that's about it), I give it credit for keeping traditional production values. None of this crap the primetime shows have tried since Deal or No Deal premiered. It hasn't become a comedy show like TPiR. It even made a million dollar gimmick look good. That's competence.

As for the theme song, it's a bit repetitive, but at least I can hum something out of it.
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Post by: PYLdude on May 08, 2012, 02:06:00 AM
3 and a half years, and ONE TIME. Hardly worth whining about.

And I may be in the minority on this but when Wheel was giving away those ridiculous prizes in the bonus game I REALLY found it unwatchable.
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Post by: J.R. on May 08, 2012, 02:52:08 AM
I think the MST3K Mantra is definitely in play here.

Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show. I should really just relax"
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Post by: jjman920 on May 08, 2012, 03:26:22 AM
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I'm not asking for the shopping format or manual puzzleboard, because I know that's a massive step backward -- I want audiences who actually want to be there
Huh? Aren't a lot of Wheel's audience members tourists? I'm sure they want to be there, and have no problem waving for the camera.
It is another one of those "things-only-fanboys-notice." Listening to the audience during Wheel nowadays is a bit depressing...and quiet. If there is one thing old Wheel had on today's Wheel, it was that the audience back then used to be "off da chain." Today you'd be lucky to get an audible reaction to a close call without it having to be sweetened. (Of course as I say this, the audience in Portland has been great)

Note, what I've said isn't make or break for me, but I see where he is coming from.

The fact of the matter is that, despite the changes made, Wheel of Fortune was gold for Harry. But I question how bright this gold was. Was Wheel (and Jeopardy! for that matter) in decline when he took over? If not, then all he has really done is just polished the gold instead of actually mining it, right? He certainly gets major credit for not turning off the millions who still continue to watch, but the gold was first struck in the 80s.
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Post by: J.R. on May 08, 2012, 03:40:16 AM
If there is one thing old Wheel had on today's Wheel, it was that the audience back then used to be "off da chain." Today you'd be lucky to get an audible reaction to a close call without it having to be sweetened. (Of course as I say this, the audience in Portland has been great)
I don't know about that. I remember when GSN would air the 1988-1989 season all the time and it always seemed like there was about six people in the stands. Faint clapping, a couple cheers. About it. Made the whole show really dry, IMHO.
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Post by: Dan88 on May 08, 2012, 06:18:42 AM
FosterGray...thanks. Looking back, I did seem to go overboard...

The ambient music is nothing more than thinking music during Toss-Ups, the speed round, and the bonus round. A total of what, 2 minutes out of 21-22? I consider the music no different than the metronome used during Alphabetics, or the "doot-doot-doot" during the Winners Circle. It still adds tension to the round.
Maybe I'm just used to the silence during the Speed-Up round, then -- for me, total silence added more tension than generic music. And the Bonus Round cue just doesn't have the same tension as the "boop-beep", where the buzzer hit you like a sucker punch.

The Bonus Round itself uses a constant stream of music from the Bonus Wheel spin through to the double-buzz (or end of segment if it's solved), all of which feels generic and lifeless.

Define "players who don't deserve to win". If you mean too much money is given away, then perhaps.
Players who win solely because they solved the Trip Puzzle. I know that anybody can win by solving any one puzzle, but the guaranteed prize kind of...taints?...that by inflating someone's score. And usually, these people go on to lose the Bonus Round.

But I actually enjoy seeing a show where contestants can still win something just for showing up. And I'll take $1,000 over Rice-A-Roni and Turtle Wax any day of the week.
No argument here, but I personally don't like it when people who solve the first Toss-Up or a single regular puzzle for the house minimum are lumped in with those who don't solve anything.

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players who don't risk nearly $10,000 on the Mystery Wedge, good puzzles (no I LOVE MY PASSPORT PHOTO crap), and an actual prize/cash variety.
Indifferent on the players taking risks, although that's the fun of a game show;
I'm all for taking risks, but the thing here is that one is risking nearly $10,000 on a chance at another $10K, and sometimes they have the trip off the Wheel or other such items, so sometimes it isn't worth the risk...especially if you call the last remaining letter on a Mystery Wedge (which has happened twice; both went for it, both got Bankrupt).

indifferent on the prize/cash variety. Contestants want cash, cars, and trips, probably in that order, although 2 and 3 can be switched. I think the producers even said that's the prizes contestants like the most. Why not cater to them, especially when the reaction to winning a car looks a lot better than the annuities, gold bars, or jewelry they were giving away 20 years ago.
I was thinking more along the lines of "practical" prizes, like a home entertainment package or rooms of furniture -- there's a bunch of sponsors who only show up for the Gift Tag, Jackpot plug, or promotional consideration/closed captioning plugs.

the goofy theme weeks
...I totally forgot about those......things......which also restrict the puzzle writers. Not even the "America's Game" weeks give them a break, as then they have to make puzzles that fit "America". Wheel, generic shows with no theme are a good thing.
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Post by: BrandonFG on May 08, 2012, 08:33:05 AM
If there is one thing old Wheel had on today's Wheel, it was that the audience back then used to be "off da chain." Today you'd be lucky to get an audible reaction to a close call without it having to be sweetened. (Of course as I say this, the audience in Portland has been great)
I don't know about that. I remember when GSN would air the 1988-1989 season all the time and it always seemed like there was about six people in the stands. Faint clapping, a couple cheers. About it. Made the whole show really dry, IMHO.
Right. While I don't disagree with jjman, I think the sweetening was at its heaviest when the show taped at NBC.

With that size audience, I wonder if the audio op isn't getting enough crowd noise. I notice the same thing during NFL games, where it sounds like I'm listening to a golf match.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on May 08, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
I was thinking more along the lines of "practical" prizes, like a home entertainment package or rooms of furniture -- there's a bunch of sponsors who only show up for the Gift Tag, Jackpot plug, or promotional consideration/closed captioning plugs.
There's nothing practical about a $25,000 set of dining room furniture.  It may look pretty, but that's a huge tax burden for a table and some chairs.
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Post by: toddyo on May 08, 2012, 02:34:33 PM
Audio sweetening at NBC?  No! You mean those audiences weren't packed and loud? Dang! What's a Mother to do? Add more applause? (And here I thought the audiences for "The Voice" were really into buttons being pushed or crescendos)
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Post by: J.R. on May 08, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
Reread the MST3K Mantra, Dan. It'll reduce the popped blood vessels you keep having over WOF changes.

Good lord.
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Post by: TLEberle on May 08, 2012, 03:51:57 PM
I'm all for taking risks, but the thing here is that one is risking nearly $10,000 on a chance at another $10K, and sometimes they have the trip off the Wheel or other such items, so sometimes it isn't worth the risk
To you. It isn't worth the risk to you.

There's a huge distinction. You're the one that has all these problems with the show. Many of us are content to watch absent-mindedly and your litany of awful never even occurs to us.
Title: Password Returning in April...
Post by: Kevin Prather on May 08, 2012, 04:23:08 PM
Say now. How's about that Password? Ya know, the show that this thread was started about?
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Post by: clemon79 on May 08, 2012, 04:33:08 PM
Say now. How's about that Password? Ya know, the show that this thread was started about?
It's actually interesting (and really unsurprising) to look back and see who all was responsible for hijacking the thread in the first place.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on May 08, 2012, 04:39:58 PM
Say now. How's about that Password? Ya know, the show that this thread was started about?
It's actually interesting (and really unsurprising) to look back and see who all was responsible for hijacking the thread in the first place.
*looks back* Ah yes, gameshowhater87. Yeah, not surprising at all.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 08, 2012, 04:59:29 PM
Well, not totally fair to pin it all on him; there was certainly at least one assist to hand out.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on May 08, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Well, not totally fair to pin it all on him; there was certainly at least one assist to hand out.
Oh, indeed. If anything, gameshowlover's was the assist.
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Post by: TLEberle on May 08, 2012, 05:08:18 PM
Oh, indeed. If anything, gameshowlover's was the assist.
It was? I had him with the goal at post 72.
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Post by: SRIV94 on May 08, 2012, 05:30:57 PM
Right. While I don't disagree with jjman, I think the sweetening was at its heaviest when the show taped at NBC.
No question.  And much of the same sweetening was present during tapings of P+ and SP (and other NBC shows of the time).

See how neatly I tied this back together?  :)
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Post by: Casey Buck on May 08, 2012, 06:14:38 PM
Once you hear the NBC sweetening tracks (like "YEAH-WOO! OW! ALL RIGHT!" or "YEEE-HOOO!" ), you can't un-hear it. :)