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Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 06, 2003, 04:25:01 PM
I'll post a category that'd likely be on the top rung of Dick Clark's $100,000 Pyramid early in the tournament. You try and think of 3 good clues for it, or 1 awesome clue, then post your own. Remember, it's the tournament, so they should be hard.


[font=\"Courier\"]
+-------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| .EXONERATED |
+-------------+
[/font]
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: clemon79 on December 06, 2003, 05:16:55 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 02:25 PM\'] [font=\"Courier\"]
+-------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| .EXONERATED |
+-------------+
[/font] [/quote]
 Wow. That's a good one.

"An innocent defendant" comes to mind, but I dunno what else. Truly, that one is so hard (as it should be, tho!) that I just don't see a "magic clue" that paints the picture, they would have to get it by stumbling onto it while rattling off other synonyms.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 06, 2003, 05:18:46 PM
One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps?
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: clemon79 on December 06, 2003, 05:25:42 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM\'] One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps? [/quote]
 Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :)
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 06, 2003, 05:37:17 PM
Well, exonerate means that you were found innocent. If you are innocent, and you were convicted, and then you were for some reason retrialed, you may be found innocent, or exonerated.

You're right. It is tough, but you have to admit one thing: if they get it, they earned $100,000!

How about this one...

[font=\"Courier\"]
+-------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| . .ELITE . .|
+-------------+
[/font]
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: BrandonFG on December 06, 2003, 05:37:43 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:25 PM\'] [quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM\'] One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps? [/quote]
Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :) [/quote]
 Would "An acquited prisoner" work, or anything with acquited in the description?

Or is that considered synonymous?
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 06, 2003, 05:39:26 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:25 PM\'] [quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM\'] One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps? [/quote]
Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :) [/quote]
Would "An acquited prisoner" work, or anything with acquited in the description?

Or is that considered synonymous? [/quote]
 I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: ChuckNet on December 06, 2003, 06:41:38 PM
Let's not forget the most impossible of all WC categories, "THINGS THAT ARE PERCEIVED".

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 06, 2003, 07:12:30 PM
Oy! And that wasn't even in a tournament!!!
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: vtown7 on December 06, 2003, 07:13:21 PM
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+----------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .       |
| . .ELITE . .      |
+-----------------+


The NCAA Basketball's Final Eight?

I think I can say that..

Cheers,

Ryan :)
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Post by: Monarx on December 06, 2003, 07:33:36 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:37 PM\'] Well, exonerate means that you were found innocent. If you are innocent, and you were convicted, and then you were for some reason retrialed, you may be found innocent, or exonerated.

You're right. It is tough, but you have to admit one thing: if they get it, they earned $100,000!

How about this one...

[font=\"Courier\"]
+-------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
| . .ELITE . .|
+-------------+
[/font] [/quote]
 A chess grandmaster's skills, maybe?  Or...
The US's Armed Forces

How about...

"THINGS YOU DENOUNCE"
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Post by: JayC on December 06, 2003, 07:44:26 PM
[quote name=\'Monarx\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 07:33 PM\'] How about...

"THINGS YOU DENOUNCE" [/quote]
 The person who mentioned the NCAA basketball had a good idea for elite, I definately would have to go with that, since I have no idea otherwise.

For Things you denounce- Circulating rumors about you, Untrue gossip
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Robert Hutchinson on December 06, 2003, 09:21:56 PM
[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 06:41 PM\'] Let's not forget the most impossible of all WC categories, "THINGS THAT ARE PERCEIVED". [/quote]
 Depth. (stare intently at partner)
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 06, 2003, 09:39:32 PM
When I saw the category, I tried to think of something that ties to a percival. I dunno if that's right or wrong, though.
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Post by: clemon79 on December 06, 2003, 09:55:41 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 03:39 PM\'] I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing. [/quote]
 Ya know, I'm not. "Acquitted" is a legal term, whereas "Exonerated" isn't, necessarily. I think that would get through. Might help, too.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: clemon79 on December 06, 2003, 10:00:30 PM
[quote name=\'vtown7\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:13 PM\']
Quote

+----------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .       |
| . .ELITE . .      |
+-----------------+


The NCAA Basketball's Final Eight?

I think I can say that.. [/quote]
 On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.

First thing I thought of is "A Swedish hockey league", since in fact their equivalent to the NHL is the Swedish Elite League, but I dunno how many people would know that.
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Post by: Steve McClellan on December 06, 2003, 10:01:44 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 06:55 PM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 03:39 PM\'] I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing. [/quote]
Ya know, I'm not. "Acquitted" is a legal term, whereas "Exonerated" isn't, necessarily. I think that would get through. Might help, too.[/quote]
From m-w.com:

Acquit: to discharge completely (as from an obligation or accusation)

Exonerate: to relieve of a responsibility, obligation, or hardship

Both are given as synonyms of "exculpate": "EXONERATE implies a complete clearance from an accusation or charge and from any attendant suspicion of blame or guilt <exonerated by the investigation>. ACQUIT implies a formal decision in one's favor with respect to a definite charge <voted to acquit the defendant>."

I think this one depends what kind of mood the judge is in.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on December 06, 2003, 10:16:04 PM
Ready for a funny joke?

[font=\"Courier\"]
+-------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
|INCAPACITATED|
+-------------+
[/font]

Try getting your partner to say THAT!
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Post by: Little Big Brother on December 06, 2003, 10:35:14 PM
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On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.

I don't see why you would get buzzed.  Final is not a preposition, it would be an adjective in this case.  And I have no idea why you would need to take out "basketball", would you care to explain?
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 06, 2003, 10:35:20 PM
I was gonna say "Things Tom Cruise's Dentist Enshrines" but that wouldn't work on Clark Pyramid.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: clemon79 on December 06, 2003, 10:39:55 PM
[quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 08:35 PM\']
Quote
On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.

I don't see why you would get buzzed.  Final is not a preposition, it would be an adjective in this case.  And I have no idea why you would need to take out "basketball", would you care to explain? [/quote]
 It's been my experience that you could get away with one or two adjectives, but if you tried to get that descriptive, you were asking for a buzzer.

That said, "old time Japanese women's feet" was once accepted for "Things That Are Bound", so I may be speaking ex-rectum.
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Post by: Mike Tennant on December 08, 2003, 01:14:36 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 10:00 PM\'][quote name=\'vtown7\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:13 PM\']
Quote

+----------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .       |
| . .ELITE . .      |
+-----------------+


The NCAA Basketball's Final Eight?

I think I can say that.. [/quote]
On the Osmond show, maybe. You'd get buzzed immediately on Clark. If you yanked out "Final", you MIGHT be fine. If you yanked out "Basketball" as well ('cuz other NCAA sports do have an Elite Eight, the basketball one just gets the most press), I think you'd be fine.

First thing I thought of is "A Swedish hockey league", since in fact their equivalent to the NHL is the Swedish Elite League, but I dunno how many people would know that.[/quote]
For another, somewhat obscure clue (which would have worked better in the days of typewriters):  A narrow typeface
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 08, 2003, 01:46:59 PM
What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar?  For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head.  Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: clemon79 on December 08, 2003, 02:04:27 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:46 AM\'] What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar?  For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head.  Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word. [/quote]
 It's not. If you continue to give clues outside of the category even after Dick prompts you to reread, you will get buzzed.
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Post by: Neumms on December 08, 2003, 03:13:50 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 09:55 PM\'] [quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 03:39 PM\'] I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing. [/quote]
Ya know, I'm not. "Acquitted" is a legal term, whereas "Exonerated" isn't, necessarily. I think that would get through. Might help, too. [/quote]
 What about "wrongly accused defendant"? Subtle change, but it might help. In that there's only one clue (we're just kibbutzing about the best wording), it's not so much a hard category as a bad one.

For elite, how about: "a society's weathiest members." That one IS hard.

The all-time hardest Pyramid category (sans box):
THINGS THAT EXIST.

2nd hardest (for the bottom row):
THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU MIGHT SAY.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 08, 2003, 03:34:15 PM
I've got one for elite:  Duffy's Tavern diners.  Of course, your partner would have to be really old to get it.
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Post by: Little Big Brother on December 08, 2003, 03:38:10 PM
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2nd hardest (for the bottom row):
THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU MIGHT SAY.

"Shhh!" (from Mel Brooks' Silent Movie)


Quote
What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar? For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head. Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word. 


It's not. If you continue to give clues outside of the category even after Dick prompts you to reread, you will get buzzed.

Sometimes they'll buzz you even without prompting from Dick.  I recall Henry Polic II giving the clue "The Old Man and the Sea" for THINGS ON THE BOTTOM and he got buzzed.  Unfortunately no explanation was offered as to why he would give that as a clue, and having not read the book I have no idea why he thought that would be a good clue anyway.
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Post by: Jay Temple on December 08, 2003, 05:04:59 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 04:39 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:25 PM\'] [quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 03:18 PM\'] One i thought of was "A retrialed innocent prisoner". Would that get it perhaps? [/quote]
Not sure where "retrialed" adds anything. "Exonerated" simply implies that you were found not to have commited the crimes that you were accused of. Unless I'm missing something, and do educate me if I am :) [/quote]
Would "An acquited prisoner" work, or anything with acquited in the description?

Or is that considered synonymous? [/quote]
I'm pretty sure Acquit and Exonerate are the same thing. [/quote]
 O.J. Simpson and Lizzie Borden would disagree with you.  Both were acquitted, but Lizzie remains guilty in the public mind, and a jury found for the plaintiffs in O.J.'s wrongful death suit.  So, there's just enough of a distinction to make the clue legal.
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Post by: Jay Temple on December 08, 2003, 05:09:20 PM
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 12:14 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 10:00 PM\'][quote name=\'vtown7\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:13 PM\']
Quote

+----------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . .       |
| . .ELITE . .      |
+-----------------+

For another, somewhat obscure clue (which would have worked better in the days of typewriters):  A narrow typeface
Your answer is a variant on mine:  12-point type.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Jay Temple on December 08, 2003, 05:10:25 PM
[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 05:41 PM\'] Let's not forget the most impossible of all WC categories, "THINGS THAT ARE PERCEIVED".

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
 a non-existent threat

"Depth," already given, is good too.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Jay Temple on December 08, 2003, 05:13:29 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 6 2003, 09:16 PM\'] Ready for a funny joke?

[font=\"Courier\"]
+-------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
|INCAPACITATED|
+-------------+
[/font]

Try getting your partner to say THAT! [/quote]
 A 25th-Amendment President

or else

A 25th-Amendment Vice-President's President
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Post by: Jay Temple on December 08, 2003, 05:17:18 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 02:13 PM\'] The all-time hardest Pyramid category (sans box):
THINGS THAT EXIST. [/quote]
 René des Cartes
God
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 08, 2003, 06:26:44 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 02:04 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:46 AM\'] What is the legality of saying a incorrect clue to direct someone that the word is similar?  For example, for "Things that are Elite, you could say "The mother on 'Family Ties'" hoping "Elyse" would pop in to your partners head.  Dick would yell "READ IT AGAIN," but it might lead the guesser that it was a similarly spelled word. [/quote]
It's not. If you continue to give clues outside of the category even after Dick prompts you to reread, you will get buzzed. [/quote]
 "The mother on 'Family Ties'" would get buzzed anyway because of the preposition.
Title: $100,000 Pyramid tournament categories...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 08, 2003, 06:28:48 PM
How's this one?

[font=\"Courier\"]
+-------------+
| THINGS THAT |
| . . ARE . . |
|. ENTHRALLED |
+-------------+
[/font]
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Post by: clemon79 on December 08, 2003, 06:35:45 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 03:04 PM\'] O.J. Simpson and Lizzie Borden would disagree with you. [/quote]
Fortunately, neither one of them have ever written a dictionary, so what they think is irrelevant to the issue at hand ;)
Quote
Your answer is a variant on mine: 12-point type.
'Cept in this day and age pretty much any font can be 12-point, not just Pica and Elite. Good thinking, tho.
Quote
God
Most athiests or agnostics (myself included) would outright disagree or at least question you, but that's a discussion for another board.
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Post by: Monarx on December 08, 2003, 06:41:18 PM
How about a theoretical god, or prehistoric dinosaurs?
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Post by: Jimmy Owen on December 08, 2003, 07:20:29 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 06:35 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 03:04 PM\'] O.J. Simpson and Lizzie Borden would disagree with you. [/quote]
Fortunately, neither one of them have ever written a dictionary, so what they think is irrelevant to the issue at hand ;)
Quote
Your answer is a variant on mine: 12-point type.
'Cept in this day and age pretty much any font can be 12-point, not just Pica and Elite. Good thinking, tho.
Quote
God
Most athiests or agnostics (myself included) would outright disagree or at least question you, but that's a discussion for another board. [/quote]
 Things that are Agnostic?
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Post by: BrandonFG on December 08, 2003, 07:58:24 PM
I just thought of another one

THINGS
THAT ARE
PARDONED

Would either "an electric chair prisoner" or "the governor's electric chair prisoner" be too descriptive?

For the record, I also thought of "my French," and "the interruption." ;-)
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Post by: Little Big Brother on December 08, 2003, 08:50:41 PM
Hmmm, I think the rules for the winner's circle need to be clarified a bit.

A clue can be buzzed if:

Any part of the answer is given in the clue.  For example, THINGS THAT OBEY: "An Obedient Dog" (D'oh!)

The clue contains a prepositional phrase.  This does not include "Things ____ would say" or "Why you _____".  This rule is not as clean cut a rule on the current incarnation of Pyramid.

The clue contains a synonym of the key word.  This is determined by the key word appearing in the dictionary definition of the clue word or vice versa.

The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone.


Usually if a clue is described as "Too Descriptive", it is because it has violated either the second or third rule in some way.


If there are any corrections to this, please post them.  Also, isn't there a site that has a bunch of Game Show rules?  If so, are the WC rules there?
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Post by: trainman on December 08, 2003, 09:28:14 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 04:58 PM\'] I just thought of another one

THINGS
THAT ARE
PARDONED

Would either "an electric chair prisoner" or "the governor's electric chair prisoner" be too descriptive?
 [/quote]
 First clue that comes to mind is "President Ford's predecessor."  (I can't think of a way to get both "Nixon" and "Ford" in the same clue without using prepositional phrases.)
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Post by: zachhoran on December 08, 2003, 09:34:47 PM
[quote name=\'trainman\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 09:28 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 04:58 PM\'] I just thought of another one

THINGS
THAT ARE
PARDONED

Would either "an electric chair prisoner" or "the governor's electric chair prisoner" be too descriptive?
 [/quote]
First clue that comes to mind is "President Ford's predecessor."  (I can't think of a way to get both "Nixon" and "Ford" in the same clue without using prepositional phrases.) [/quote]
 Things that are Pardoned: a Grey-Poupon seeking passenger?
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Post by: Kevin Prather on December 08, 2003, 09:43:19 PM
[quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM\'] The clue contains a prepositional phrase.  This does not include "Things ____ would say" or "Why you _____".  This rule is not as clean cut a rule on the current incarnation of Pyramid. [/quote]
 I know for "What ____ might say", the answer on the card was usually in quotations. Was that so for "Why you ___"? Because that would make it simple. If there are no quotations, no prepositions.
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Post by: zachhoran on December 08, 2003, 09:49:48 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 09:43 PM\']
I know for "What ____ might say", the answer on the card was usually in quotations. Was that so for "Why you ___"? [/quote]
 Nope.
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Post by: J.R. on December 08, 2003, 09:52:26 PM
Hey, how about:

"THING'S RICHARD GERE'S DENTIST WOULD SAY" (/smart@$$)

-Joe R.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on December 08, 2003, 10:07:30 PM
Throws a Sony Pocket Organizer at JRaygor's head.

:)
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Post by: GS Warehouse on December 08, 2003, 11:37:03 PM
[quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM\'] The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. [/quote]
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato".  Jack Clark said there is no such thing.

Here's my facetious subject...one that hits home with this group:
GOOD GAME SHOW JOKES!  :-D
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Post by: Kevin Prather on December 08, 2003, 11:40:29 PM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM\'] The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. [/quote]
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato".  Jack Clark said there is no such thing. [/quote]
 Surely you mean Dick Clark, right?
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Post by: Kevin Prather on December 08, 2003, 11:43:22 PM
While we're on the topic of how to get buzzed, I remember an episode where the category was "THINGS WITH AN EDGE", and Lois Nettleton* said "The soap opera's night". She, of course was referring to the soap opera "At The Edge of Night". She was buzzed immediately. Why? Apparently, there is "a long list of reasons".

*=I think it was Lois Nettleton, or it may have been Constance McCashin.
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Post by: tommycharles on December 08, 2003, 11:46:12 PM
[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 07:20 PM\']
Things that are Agnostic? [/quote]
 Well, aside from Chris ;-)

My original intent for that was to go looking online to see if there were any famous atheists. While there are plenty, I don't think anyone would get the catagory just from their names.

Actually I can't think of one good clue for this - "a non-believer" would get me buzz instantly , right?

BTW - would those of you who don't believe in that kind of thing still be able to get "things that exist" from the clue of "God"? Or would you throw it on principal (j/k)?

Oh, and as for a catagory - what about "Vegetarians" for a lower tier box?

www.46664.com
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Post by: GS Warehouse on December 08, 2003, 11:47:32 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:40 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM\'] The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. [/quote]
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato".  Jack Clark said there is no such thing. [/quote]
Surely you mean Dick Clark, right? [/quote]
 No, Jack Clark was the announcer at the time, and in the really old days, Jack would actually speak for the judges.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on December 08, 2003, 11:52:14 PM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:47 PM\'] [quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:40 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM\'] The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. [/quote]
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato".  Jack Clark said there is no such thing. [/quote]
Surely you mean Dick Clark, right? [/quote]
No, Jack Clark was the announcer at the time, and in the really old days, Jack would actually speak for the judges. [/quote]
 ahh. I stand corrected.
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Post by: BrandonFG on December 09, 2003, 12:41:49 AM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 11:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM\'] The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. [/quote]
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato".  Jack Clark said there is no such thing.

Here's my facetious subject...one that hits home with this group:
GOOD GAME SHOW JOKES!  :-D [/quote]
 -TTD90
-CS01
-Three's A Crowd

I'm getting tears in my eyes just thinking about them. :-P
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Post by: Unrealtor on December 09, 2003, 12:57:29 AM
This one could be a bottom-row tournament box, I'd think, because, once you see it, the clues make sense, but it's difficult to draw the connection. I'll give it backwards, just to test you:

Cool indoor air
An athlete's body
Dry hair

The answer (highlight to see): THINGS THAT ARE CONDITIONED
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Post by: BrandonFG on December 09, 2003, 01:10:03 AM
[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' date=\'Dec 9 2003, 12:57 AM\'] This one could be a bottom-row tournament box, I'd think, because, once you see it, the clues make sense, but it's difficult to draw the connection. I'll give it backwards, just to test you:

Cool indoor air
An athlete's body
Dry hair

The answer (highlight to see): THINGS THAT ARE CONDITIONED [/quote]
 That was a good one...I'd maybe even put that in the middle row.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on December 09, 2003, 07:21:19 AM
THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU WOULD SAY: "I'm the most famous mime in the world, and I actually talk quite a bit when I'm not performing."

Regarding clues that don't fit the category at all, it has been my observation that they don't get buzzed unless there's a fair likelihood that the clue is intended to reveal the subject in a sneaky way. So, for example, "water" wouldn't get buzzed for THINGS THAT ARE CREAMY, but "ice" probably would.
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Post by: Jay Temple on December 09, 2003, 12:50:39 PM
Regarding my earlier clue of "God," I realize it's not agreed upon, but I think saying it after des Cartes would get the recipient thinking in the right area.

[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 9 2003, 06:21 AM\'] Regarding clues that don't fit the category at all, it has been my observation that they don't get buzzed unless there's a fair likelihood that the clue is intended to reveal the subject in a sneaky way. So, for example, "water" wouldn't get buzzed for THINGS THAT ARE CREAMY, but "ice" probably would. [/quote]
My favorite example of a clue that didn't fit the category:

SHORT PEOPLE

Randy Newman--Bzzz!

Explanation:  Randy Newman is over six feet tall.  "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable.
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Post by: Neumms on December 09, 2003, 01:12:37 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 9 2003, 07:21 AM\'] THINGS MARCEL MARCEAU WOULD SAY: "I'm the most famous mime in the world, and I actually talk quite a bit when I'm not performing."

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 You're no fun. You're right, of course, but no fun at all.

Would anyone else dispute the buzz on "a French potato?" There is indeed such a thing as a French potato, I saw them on my plate there.
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Post by: clemon79 on December 09, 2003, 03:53:44 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 9 2003, 10:50 AM\'] Explanation:  Randy Newman is over six feet tall.  "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable. [/quote]
 Interesting. What if Brad Garrett gave that clue? Or Richart Moll? Six foot ain't nothin' when you're standing next to Manute Bol.
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Post by: ChuckNet on December 09, 2003, 08:07:54 PM
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My favorite example of a clue that didn't fit the category:

SHORT PEOPLE

Randy Newman--Bzzz!

Explanation: Randy Newman is over six feet tall. "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable.

Here's another one:

"Mr. Mostel's name", given by Dick Cavett as a clue for Numbers w/a Zero...he was buzzed, and despite Clark's explanation that it would've been legal had the category not been *Numbers* w/a Zero, he was still pissed and was basically ready to take out the judge. A classic moment. :-)

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Post by: Jay Temple on December 10, 2003, 01:02:47 PM
[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Dec 9 2003, 12:12 PM\'] Would anyone else dispute the buzz on "a French potato?" There is indeed such a thing as a French potato, I saw them on my plate there. [/quote]
 I agreed with the buzz, but you have at the very least illustrated the difficulty in interpreting some of the rules.

They said that there is no such thing as a French potato.  In one sense, there are such things as French poodles, Belgian waffles and English muffins, but not Belgian poodles, English waffles and French muffins.  That is the sense in which it would be improper to refer to a French potato.

I think what they really meant is that the word French in the clue was not an adjective modifying "potato," but an adverb modifying--describing, if you will--"fried."

The question is, would this be an instance of the judges claiming to read the clue-giver's mind?
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Post by: Jay Temple on December 10, 2003, 01:05:37 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 9 2003, 02:53 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 9 2003, 10:50 AM\'] Explanation:  Randy Newman is over six feet tall.  "Randy Newman's enemies" would have been acceptable. [/quote]
Interesting. What if Brad Garrett gave that clue? Or Richart Moll? Six foot ain't nothin' when you're standing next to Manute Bol. [/quote]
 I can think of one or two people who might know who gave that clue.  But, do you really want the judges to tell a contestant, "We need you to stand next to this measuring stick so that we can determine whether your clue is legal"?
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Post by: clemon79 on December 10, 2003, 05:30:30 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 10 2003, 11:05 AM\'] But, do you really want the judges to tell a contestant, "We need you to stand next to this measuring stick so that we can determine whether your clue is legal"? [/quote]
 Exactly my point, it seems kind of a subjective term to be buzzing. :)

I picture a plywood standup of Dick Clark holding out his hand with a word balloon saying "YOU MUST BE AT LEAST THIS TALL TO GIVE THIS CLUE" :)
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Post by: Kevin Prather on December 10, 2003, 06:07:43 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 10 2003, 01:02 PM\'] I think what they really meant is that the word French in the clue was not an adjective modifying "potato," but an adverb modifying--describing, if you will--"fried." [/quote]
And yet John O'Hurley was allowed to say "a daddy spider" for "THINGS WITH LONG LEGS". Granted this WAS on the Osmond show, so it may not be a good basis, but still...
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on December 11, 2003, 09:50:20 AM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 10 2003, 06:07 PM\'] And yet John O'Hurley was allowed to say "a daddy spider" for "THINGS WITH LONG LEGS". Granted this WAS on the Osmond show, so it may not be a good basis, but still... [/quote]
 Hell, the producers on the Osmond show probably had "daddy spider" penciled in as the perfect clue.
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Post by: Jay Temple on December 22, 2003, 12:29:12 PM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 10:37 PM\'] [quote name=\'Little Big Brother\' date=\'Dec 8 2003, 08:50 PM\'] The clue is nonsensical, such as a phrase that has all of the prepositions removed but cannot stand alone. [/quote]
One example of such an infraction: in 1982, the subject was "Things you fry", and Barry Gordon was buzzed for the clue "a French potato".  Jack Clark said there is no such thing.

Here's my facetious subject...one that hits home with this group:
GOOD GAME SHOW JOKES!  :-D [/quote]
 MILD SPOILER

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I'm not sure this even requires spoiler space, given how little info I'm going to pass on, but last week (12/18, I think), they had this category again on Osmond's Pyramid.  The clue "French potatoes" was given and not disqualified.  I know the contestant didn't get it off that clue, but I don't remember whether he/she got it at all.
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Post by: HYHYBT on December 22, 2003, 05:01:04 PM
Oh, just say "French-cut potatoes" and be done with it.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 14, 2006, 03:55:19 PM
Sorry to bump the thread, but I was playing Pyramid with my friends, and one of them wrote up a fantastically ridiculous category for the top level...are you ready for this?...


"Things you could be."


What the hell do you say for that? Discuss and cuss.
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Post by: clemon79 on January 14, 2006, 04:04:25 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 12:55 PM\']Sorry to bump the thread, but I was playing Pyramid with my friends, and one of them wrote up a fantastically ridiculous category for the top level...are you ready for this?...


"Things you could be."


What the hell do you say for that? Discuss and cuss.
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"A contender." (Or, "A contendah".)

(And here's the problem with that category: what's the keyword? Are you gonna run into the "Things Found On A Cave Wall" problem with that? Very possibly.)
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 14, 2006, 04:15:41 PM
"A contendah" is what he came up with in the postmortem.

My guess is that "be" would be the keyword. It makes for a pretty lousy clue though, because wouldn't you have to accept "is" and "are" too, since they're forms of the word?

Celeb: A human being. A male, a female...
Contestant: Things that are...
*dingdingdingdingdingding*
Contestant: Wait, what??
Opponents: Wait, WHAT???
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Post by: BrandonFG on January 14, 2006, 04:54:03 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 03:55 PM\']Sorry to bump the thread, but I was playing Pyramid with my friends, and one of them wrote up a fantastically ridiculous category for the top level...are you ready for this?...


"Things you could be."


What the hell do you say for that? Discuss and cuss.
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"Contender" (-DAH?) is a good clue, but it reminds me of when Dick Cavett appeared on "$100K Pyramid" and walked to center stage, and held up a cue card which read "Things You Do". Dick was understandably confused.

As for things you could be...how about "all you can...in the Army." Maybe sing it like the jingle.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 14, 2006, 04:55:58 PM
Things you do: your laundry, your chores, your homework, the twist, the hokey-pokey...
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Post by: Steve McClellan on January 14, 2006, 05:06:42 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 01:55 PM\']Things you do: your laundry, your chores, your homework, the twist, the hokey-pokey...
[/quote]
Okay, another legality question: "That Thing." "That Tom Hanks Thing."

Thing is certainly part of the category, but I've seen "_______ things" given as a clue for "Things That Are ________" and not zapped often enough that it might be worth a try. Jury?
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Post by: clemon79 on January 14, 2006, 05:28:14 PM
[quote name=\'Steve McClellan\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 02:06 PM\']Thing is certainly part of the category, but I've seen "_______ things" given as a clue for "Things That Are ________" and not zapped often enough that it might be worth a try. Jury?
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I'd let it fly. I think they're more interested in the whole "essense of the answer" thing to ding you on something like that.
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Post by: Steve Gavazzi on January 14, 2006, 05:42:52 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 04:15 PM\']Celeb: A human being. A male, a female...
Contestant: Things that are...
*dingdingdingdingdingding*
Contestant: Wait, what??
Opponents: Wait, WHAT???
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Problem here is, you're never gonna get to that point, 'cause you've already been buzzed on "being."
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on January 14, 2006, 05:47:06 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 04:54 PM\']As for things you could be...how about "all you can...in the Army." Maybe sing it like the jingle.
[/quote]
Illegal; preposition.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 14, 2006, 05:58:17 PM
THINGS YOU COULD BE works better on the Osmond version, with their desire for the entire category to be uttered. (Side note: I would've actually preferred that setup slightly to the previous versions' keywords, except that they kept using categories that were just cruel in that situation--ROOMS IN THE WHITE HOUSE?)

As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
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Post by: Steve McClellan on January 14, 2006, 06:00:27 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 02:58 PM\']who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .[/quote]
Bread and butter. Toast and jam....
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 14, 2006, 06:16:52 PM
Your crush. Your girlfriend.
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Post by: TLEberle on January 14, 2006, 06:48:25 PM
If you could affect the kiddie voice from the commercial, "Life cereal" would be good if your partner is old enough to remember that.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 14, 2006, 07:27:05 PM
Mikey's Life cereal.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 14, 2006, 08:40:51 PM
Dangit, now I've gone and forgotten my better of the two I had since I posted that. "Ike" was the other.
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Post by: pyrfan on January 14, 2006, 11:24:17 PM
Jumping back to the THINGS YOU FRY debate, Joel Brooks also used "French potatoes" as a clue in 1987 and got buzzed. Dick Clark argued that there were Irish potatoes, German potatoes, and Idaho potatoes, so why couldn't there be a French potato? After the commercial, Dick announced that the judge had agreed with his argument. The point was, even though Joel was obviously making a reference to french fries, since a potato grown in France would be a French potato and you could fry it, the judge couldn't disqualify the clue.


Brendan
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 15, 2006, 06:59:31 AM
So the consensus seems to be that they had no consensus on "French potato" over the years?

I give a yea to "french-cut potato", and a nay to "French potato"--yeah, such a thing could exist, but the giver obviously isn't saying it because French potatoes are very well-known for being fried. You can grab a grab bag, too.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 15, 2006, 02:11:11 PM
And I think Mayim Bialik became very attractive in her later years. Therefore, she DID blossom, dammit! ;-)
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Post by: Fedya on January 16, 2006, 12:22:42 AM
The way to get around it is to say "Frenched potatoes", since frenching is a way of cutting potatoes.  Not that the judges would recognize the word if it came down to making such a split-second decision.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 16, 2006, 12:43:34 AM
[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Jan 15 2006, 10:22 PM\']Frenching is a way of cutting potatoes.
[/quote]
Wow. I've known people who can do some cool things with their tongues, but DAMN...
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 16, 2006, 10:34:03 PM
[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Jan 16 2006, 12:22 AM\']The way to get around it is to say "Frenched potatoes", since frenching is a way of cutting potatoes.[/quote]

Or, you know, "French-cut potatoes".
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Post by: trainman on January 17, 2006, 11:07:17 PM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 02:58 PM\']As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
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If only 7-Up were still using their "You like it, it likes you" slogan.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on January 18, 2006, 12:41:01 AM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 05:58 PM\']As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
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What about "Green Eggs and Ham"?..or "Sam's Green Eggs"...
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Post by: uncamark on January 18, 2006, 02:34:15 PM
[quote name=\'trainman\' date=\'Jan 17 2006, 10:07 PM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 14 2006, 02:58 PM\']As long as we're having fun with common verbs, who wants to try THINGS YOU LIKE? I have a couple in mind . . .
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If only 7-Up were still using their "You like it, it likes you" slogan.
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"Just look for the big 7 on the bottle and U-P after!"
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Post by: sshuffield70 on January 18, 2006, 11:36:24 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jan 18 2006, 02:34 PM\']"Just look for the big 7 on the bottle and U-P after!"
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He'll be here all week, folks!
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Post by: gameboy2000 on January 21, 2006, 03:10:48 PM
Here is a good one:

THINGS THAT ARE SEVERE
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Post by: SamJ93 on January 21, 2006, 03:22:34 PM
Thunderstorms, punishments, tire damage.

Maybe not a top-level category, but it is a good one...I'd stick it somewhere on the middle row.

--Sam
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Post by: MikeK on January 21, 2006, 04:01:16 PM
[quote name=\'SamJ93\' date=\'Jan 21 2006, 03:22 PM\']Thunderstorms, punishments, tire damage.[/quote]

Adding a few more...

Thunderstorm warnings (or storm warnings in general), bleeding, diseases, some illnesses, pains, a critic.  Definitely $250 material.
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Post by: hobbitrjw on January 21, 2006, 10:51:48 PM
and if you wanted to go further in with weather you might say...A tornado,A hurricane,Flooding,maybe Earthquakes. maybe even $300 material there.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 04:20:52 PM
Titov...Tereshkova...Leonov....Komorov...Gagarin...
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 04:36:05 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 01:20 PM\']Titov...Tereshkova...Leonov....Komorov...Gagarin...
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What the hell are you talking about?
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Post by: BrandonFG on January 22, 2006, 04:44:17 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 04:36 PM\'][quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 01:20 PM\']Titov...Tereshkova...Leonov....Komorov...Gagarin...
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I just did a search...looks like they're astronauts, Russian maybe? I think musicman is in the wrong thread.
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 04:46:48 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 01:44 PM\']I just did a search...looks like they're astronauts, Russian maybe? I think musicman is in the wrong thread.
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I think he's on the wrong website, myself.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 04:59:50 PM
This is the thread about $300 tournament questions is it not?
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 05:04:37 PM
Yes. You're going backwards, musicman. You supply the category, and then we try and figure out clues for it, not the other way around.
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Post by: MikeK on January 22, 2006, 05:20:13 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 05:04 PM\']Yes. You're going backwards, musicman. You supply the category, and then we try and figure out clues for it, not the other way around.[/quote]
And what Musicman offered is definitely not a $300 category.  I'd say it's a $150.  If you know about Yuri Gagarin or Valentina Tereshkova, one of your first guesses is "Astronauts" or "Cosmonauts".
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 05:31:51 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 02:20 PM\']And what Musicman offered is definitely not a $300 category.  I'd say it's a $150.  If you know about Yuri Gagarin or Valentina Tereshkova, one of your first guesses is "Astronauts" or "Cosmonauts".
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Well, we assume that was what he was going for. (And it probably was, I for one certainly don't give him credit for something more clever that also would not be moronically obscure.) One would think that in that case the wording would need to be "Russian Astronauts (Cosmonauts)", because it really wouldn't be fair to only accept one or the other.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 07:46:43 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 05:04 PM\']You supply the category, and then we try and figure out clues for it, not the other way around.
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How about this...

Publishing Companies
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 08:04:52 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 04:46 PM\']Publishing Companies
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Random House.

The idea is that they are supposed to be challenging.

Though I do see where that concept might pass you by.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 08:12:32 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 06:04 PM\'][quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 04:46 PM\']Publishing Companies
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Bantam Books is another.

How about this one? "Things that are subtle."

I can think of one potential money-clue.
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Post by: Steve McClellan on January 22, 2006, 08:34:18 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 05:12 PM\']How about this one? "Things that are subtle."[/quote]
A stereotypical wife's hints. Nuances.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 08:42:05 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:04 PM\']The idea is that they are supposed to be challenging.

Though I do see where that concept might pass you by.
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I do read quite a bit, but looking for what company published the book is not a high priority for some people.

Let's try another category, third time's a charm...

"LAKES IN MINNESOTA"
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 08:48:45 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 06:42 PM\']Let's try another category, third time's a charm...

"LAKES IN MINNESOTA"
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Bad things come in threes. That's too obscure.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on January 22, 2006, 09:03:37 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:42 PM\']I do read quite a bit, but looking for what company published the book is not a high priority for some people. [/quote]
Oh, for the love of Pete.

Quote
"LAKES IN MINNESOTA"
There's only 10,000 of them.  Care to name 10 of them?  Offhand, I can think of one.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 09:08:39 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:48 PM\']That's too obscure.
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There are at least 10,000 lakes in Minnesota, at least one of them must be famous?

btw, Lake Superior does not count. I want a lake IN Minnesota.  ;)
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 09:18:02 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 06:08 PM\']There are at least 10,000 lakes in Minnesota, at least one of them must be famous?

btw, Lake Superior does not count. I want a lake IN Minnesota.  ;)
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Post by: dzinkin on January 22, 2006, 09:19:40 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 09:08 PM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:48 PM\']That's too obscure.
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There are at least 10,000 lakes in Minnesota, at least one of them must be famous?
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Let's see if I understand this... you proposed a category for which even you couldn't think of a halfway decent response?
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 09:37:25 PM
Let's go back to the topic I offered. "Things that are subtle." Ignore musicman.
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 09:41:26 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 06:37 PM\']Let's go back to the topic I offered. "Things that are subtle." Ignore musicman.
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Excellent suggestion.

I have to think "nuances" (and props to Steve for coming up with that) is the money clue.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 09:45:46 PM
How about "Phillip Pullman's knife"?
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 09:49:59 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 06:45 PM\']How about "Phillip Pullman's knife"?
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I, for one, have absolutely no idea who Phillip Pullman is, so that clue would be completely lost on me. :)
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 09:50:31 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 09:19 PM\']Let's see if I understand this... you proposed a category for which even you couldn't think of a halfway decent response?
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Red Lake (comprised of an "upper" and "lower" tier)

Lake Mille Lacs (famous fishing spot)

Lake Calhoun (big lake in Minneapolis)

Lake Minnetonka (where the Vikings football team engaged in debauchery aboard a boat)

Lake Minnewaska (big lake in Pope county)

Green Lake (big lake in Kandiyohi county)
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Post by: SamJ93 on January 22, 2006, 10:16:31 PM
Mr. Musicman,

The idea of Pyramid Winner's Circle categories is to test the ability of the player's logic, vocabulary, and common sense.  "Lakes in Minnesota" falls under none of these categories; rather, it falls under "Arcane Trivia That No One (Outside of Minnesota Residents) Cares About."  Thus, it is a very poor category choice.

(Too nice?  Maybe...but after today's AFC championship game, I'm in a good mood. :-))

Getting back on track...how about:

THINGS THAT ARE ASSESSED

or

FAMOUS MUPPET FROGS...whoops, that one's for the special All-Star Pyramid featuring Sean Connery. :-D
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 10:20:13 PM
[quote name=\'SamJ93\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 07:16 PM\'](Too nice?  Maybe...but after today's AFC championship game, I'm in a good mood. :-))
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As a Seattle resident, I am similarly in a good mood, but that doesn't extend to abject dumbassery. :)

(Oh, and yer going down. :))
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...whoops, that one's for the special All-Star Pyramid featuring Sean Connery. :-D
Things That Are Mightier? :)
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Post by: dzinkin on January 22, 2006, 10:26:56 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:20 PM\'][quote name=\'SamJ93\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 07:16 PM\']
...whoops, that one's for the special All-Star Pyramid featuring Sean Connery. :-D
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Things That Are Mightier? :)
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Famous Rapists? :-)
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Post by: MikeK on January 22, 2006, 10:41:26 PM
[quote name=\'SamJ93\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:16 PM\']Getting back on track...how about:

THINGS THAT ARE ASSESSED[/quote]
A car's damage, storm damage, a student's progress.

I can't wait for Musicman's next category--"MY COWORKERS".
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 10:56:58 PM
[quote name=\'SamJ93\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:16 PM\']Getting back on track...how about:

THINGS THAT ARE ASSESSED
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Washington Student's learning?
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 10:58:02 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 07:49 PM\'][quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 06:45 PM\']How about "Phillip Pullman's knife"?
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I, for one, have absolutely no idea who Phillip Pullman is, so that clue would be completely lost on me. :)
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Really? Hmm. I thought Phillip Pullman's trilogy of books was all the rage a few years ago. Oh, well.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 10:59:32 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:20 PM\']Things That Are Mightier? :)
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The pen.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 11:01:07 PM
[quote name=\'hmtriplecrown\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:41 PM\']I can't wait for Musicman's next category--"MY COWORKERS".
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Actually it's...

THINGS THAT ARE UPSIDE-DOWN
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Post by: dzinkin on January 22, 2006, 11:05:38 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:01 PM\']THINGS THAT ARE UPSIDE-DOWN
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The Jenny biplane stamp.

A pineapple cake.

Musicman's thought process.

Any others? ;-)
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on January 22, 2006, 11:15:42 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 09:50 PM\']Lake Minnewaska (big lake in Pope county)
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Illegal, for saying part of the word in it.  Just wow.

Coming up next....hog farms in Iowa.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 09:15 PM\']Coming up next....hog farms in Iowa.
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Sara's house....oop, nevermind...
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 11:20:06 PM
New category...

NAMES OF FAMOUS ROCKETS
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 11:26:09 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 07:56 PM\'][quote name=\'SamJ93\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:16 PM\']Getting back on track...how about:

THINGS THAT ARE ASSESSED
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Washington Student's learning?
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Nice, but nobody outside of Washington has the first idea of what the WASL is. In California the equivalent exam was called the Minimum Competency Tests, and I would guess other states that have something similar call it by still different names.
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 11:27:01 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 07:59 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:20 PM\']Things That Are Mightier? :)
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The pen.
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You're a moron. A complete and utter moron.
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 11:31:35 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:27 PM\']You're a moron. A complete and utter moron.
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Haven't you ever heard the phrase..."The pen is mightier than the sword"?
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 11:32:50 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:31 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:27 PM\']You're a moron. A complete and utter moron.
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Haven't you ever heard the phrase..."The pen is mightier than the sword"?
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Have you ever heard of the word "WHOOSH?"
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Post by: GS Warehouse on January 22, 2006, 11:34:27 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:05 PM\']Musicman's thought process.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:31 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:27 PM\']You're a moron. A complete and utter moron.
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[/quote]Chris doesn't know there's supposed to be a space between the second and third words in that phrase. :-D
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 11:46:14 PM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:34 PM\']Chris doesn't know there's supposed to be a space between the second and third words in that phrase. :-D
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Gussy it up however you want, lad, what matters is, does it WORK? :)
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Post by: dzinkin on January 22, 2006, 11:46:54 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:46 PM\'][quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:34 PM\']Chris doesn't know there's supposed to be a space between the second and third words in that phrase. :-D
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Gussy it up however you want, lad, what matters is, does it WORK? :)
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I bet eleventy billion dollars that it doesn't. :-)
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 22, 2006, 11:50:23 PM
I'll buy ten of those for $Texas!
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Post by: musicman on January 22, 2006, 11:53:28 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:32 PM\'][quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:31 PM\']Haven't you ever heard the phrase..."The pen is mightier than the sword"?
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Have you ever heard of the word "WHOOSH?"
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Sounds to me like you live by the sword.  Just remember...

Those who live by the sword...die by the sword.
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Post by: dzinkin on January 22, 2006, 11:57:07 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:53 PM\']Sounds to me like you live by the sword.  Just remember...

Those who live by the sword...die by the sword.
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Dear musicman,

Please read this (http://\"http://snltranscripts.jt.org/98/98pjeopardy.phtml\"), and consider refraining from posting until you understand it.

Thanks,
 - David
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Post by: clemon79 on January 22, 2006, 11:58:06 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 08:53 PM\']Sounds to me like you live by the sword.  Just remember...

Those who live by the sword...die by the sword.
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Go away. You are not wanted here.
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Post by: musicman on January 23, 2006, 12:37:54 AM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:57 PM\']Dear musicman,

Please read this (http://\"http://snltranscripts.jt.org/98/98pjeopardy.phtml\"), and consider refraining from posting until you understand it.
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All I see is "The Pen is Mightier" as a category in the sketch, what is it about it that I have to understand?
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Post by: musicman on January 23, 2006, 12:41:14 AM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:58 PM\']Go away. You are not wanted here.
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The feeling is mutual, I don't want you here either. LOL
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Post by: TLEberle on January 23, 2006, 12:55:11 AM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:37 PM\']All I see is "The Pen is Mightier" as a category in the sketch, what is it about it that I have to understand?
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[/quote]I'm not going to spoonfeed you the humor, so forget it.  If you've watched "Celebrity Jeopardy!" on SNL, it would be hilarious, trust me.

[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 10:41 PM\']The feeling is mutual, I don't want you here either. LOL
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Post by: TLEberle on January 23, 2006, 01:08:42 AM
"Rockets" lends itself to judgment calls.  The Space Shuttle is not a rocket, it is carried by a rocket.  The Saturn V, et al, are rockets.  And how many of those are well known.

OK, I need to stick my head in a bucket of ice water, I'm reading this far into a 'musicman' post...see you all in a bit.
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Post by: BrandonFG on January 23, 2006, 01:11:08 AM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:17 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 09:15 PM\']Coming up next....hog farms in Iowa.
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Time out...that's a LINE OF THE YESTERDAY.

Carry on.
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Post by: dzinkin on January 23, 2006, 06:43:28 AM
To everyone participating in the musicman fiasco (yeah, that includes me too):

Stop.  Please, just stop.  Now.

To musicman: you have displayed a nearly complete inability to understand anything you're told.  People have tried to explain things to you, some politely and some admittedly less so.  And yet, you don't realize that every time you open your mouth, you place your foot squarely in it.  You still don't get it and you never will, so please stop trying, at least via public posts.

To everyone else: we have tried to explain things to musicman.  Some of us have tried insulting him.  Not unlike Adam Kleist, he still doesn't get it and he's never going to get it.  One more "hey musicman you're an idiot" post isn't going to change that.

I don't want to close this thread because I agree with whoserman and others that the topic is a fine one.  Musicman's cluelessness aside, some of the ideas have been good, some less so.  I don't want to stop people from tossing ideas around -- but please, please, PLEASE ignore musicman as long as he chooses to remain ignorant of, well, just about everything.

Thank you.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 23, 2006, 07:39:50 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jan 22 2006, 11:15 PM\']
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Illegal, for saying part of the word in it.[/quote]

Based on other '80s rulings, maybe, maybe not. They were known to accept clues (sometimes) where part of the word used was also part of the subject. I'm thinking of "14-across" for THINGS IN A CROSSWORD PUZZLE. I think (I hope) the idea there was that "across" is not really a compound word, and that was what edged it into legal territory.

Anyone got a single, game-winning clue for THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL?
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Post by: BrandonFG on January 23, 2006, 08:10:39 AM
[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:39 AM\']Anyone got a single, game-winning clue for THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL?
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A (teenager's) diary.
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Post by: uncamark on January 23, 2006, 12:10:39 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:10 AM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:39 AM\']Anyone got a single, game-winning clue for THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL?
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A (teenager's) diary.
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A newspaper classified advertisement.
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Post by: PYLdude on January 23, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 01:10 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:10 AM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:39 AM\']Anyone got a single, game-winning clue for THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL?
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A (teenager's) diary.
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A newspaper classified advertisement.
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A very small pizza.
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Post by: cmjb13 on January 23, 2006, 01:18:09 PM
Belongings
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Post by: MikeK on January 23, 2006, 03:59:59 PM
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 12:19 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 01:10 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:10 AM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:39 AM\']Anyone got a single, game-winning clue for THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL?[/quote]
A (teenager's) diary.[/quote]
A newspaper classified advertisement.[/quote]
A very small pizza.[/quote]
A basketball foul.
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Post by: musicman on January 23, 2006, 04:16:05 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 12:55 AM\']Yeah, but Chris actually contributes to threads, and he gets jokes.
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He gets YOUR jokes, and he also contributes angry replies to all of my posts.

I've also seen the SNL sketch, the only "funny" thing about it was "Buck-Futter".

Now, back to personal things... problems.
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Post by: tvwxman on January 23, 2006, 05:09:20 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 04:16 PM\']
Now, back to personal things... problems.
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Yes, we've established you have personal problems, but we're trying to get this topic back onto the original subject.
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Post by: dzinkin on January 23, 2006, 05:21:19 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 04:16 PM\']He gets YOUR jokes, and he also contributes angry replies to all of my posts.

I've also seen the SNL sketch, the only "funny" thing about it was "Buck-Futter".

Now, back to personal things... problems.
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<sigh> Why do I bother?
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Post by: BrandonFG on January 23, 2006, 05:23:28 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 08:10 AM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:39 AM\']Anyone got a single, game-winning clue for THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL?
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A (teenager's) diary.
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Sorry for talking to myself but got another one...

Your sex life.
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Post by: clemon79 on January 23, 2006, 05:26:37 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 02:23 PM\']Your sex life.
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"Things that are nonexistent! Things that are done single-handedly!"

(Oh, you were referring to HIS sex life...) :)
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Post by: TLEberle on January 23, 2006, 05:48:40 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 02:16 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 12:55 AM\']Yeah, but Chris actually contributes to threads, and he gets jokes.
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He gets YOUR jokes, and he also contributes angry replies to all of my posts.[/quote] Well, yes, but that's because I'm funny, and, well, you post nonsensical ramblings.  It's all about the cause-and-effect.

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I've also seen the SNL sketch, the only "funny" thing about it was "Buck-Futter".
Two things here.  One is that there were at least twelve SNL sketches that were done, not just one. The other is that out of all of the twelve sketches that were ever done, you picked what is by far the least funny bit that was ever done in a Celebrity Jeopardy! sketch.  Easily.

As to the current topic, your identification number, your data assistant, your leave of absence.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 23, 2006, 07:03:46 PM
If I had to choose amongst all of the above suggestions for the *one* clue I could give, I think I would go with "a very small pizza". Most of the others would work well in a list, but I was trying to think of "the (a) definitive" clue, and I think the specificity of that clue would lead many people straight to "personal".
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Post by: musicman on January 23, 2006, 07:19:21 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 05:21 PM\']<sigh> Why do I bother?
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Why don't you just TELL me what it means?  You can type in plain english...can you not?
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Post by: dzinkin on January 23, 2006, 07:26:53 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:19 PM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 05:21 PM\']<sigh> Why do I bother?
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Why don't you just TELL me what it means?  You can type in plain english...can you not?
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Here's a hint: insulting the moderator's command of the English language is not a good way to retain your posting privileges.  This is especially true when said insult comes from someone who himself has clear difficulty with said language.

I suggest strongly that you drop the matter now, as it's clear that no amount of explanation is going to make you understand.  Let it go.
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Post by: musicman on January 23, 2006, 09:38:44 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:26 PM\']I suggest strongly that you drop the matter now, as it's clear that no amount of explanation is going to make you understand.
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[on bended knees]
Just tell me what the sketch means and I'll drop it. You dzinkin, can end this whole thing with one post...one explaination.
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Post by: clemon79 on January 23, 2006, 09:45:07 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 06:38 PM\']Just tell me what the sketch means and I'll drop it. You dzinkin, can end this whole thing with one post...one explaination.
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He, dzinkin, can end this whole thing by telling you it's over, which he has already done. You'd do really well to heed his warning and not push the issue.

Do with that advice what you will.
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Post by: aaron sica on January 23, 2006, 09:53:36 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 09:38 PM\']Just tell me what the sketch means and I'll drop it. You dzinkin, can end this whole thing with one post...one explaination.
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Echoing Chris's comments:

The ice that you're skating on is growing thinner by the second.
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Post by: dzinkin on January 23, 2006, 09:57:17 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 09:38 PM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 07:26 PM\']I suggest strongly that you drop the matter now, as it's clear that no amount of explanation is going to make you understand.
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Just tell me what the sketch means and I'll drop it. You dzinkin, can end this whole thing with one post...one explaination.
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Because some have informed me that a "strong suggestion" may not have been sufficient, I will now make this as clear, as direct, and as unambiguous as I can:

DROP IT.
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Post by: NickintheATL on January 23, 2006, 10:00:40 PM
(Gets recording of Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" ready)

Zink, I don't think you could have made it any clearer for him. I second Aaron's recommendation: thin ice, dude.
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Post by: musicman on January 23, 2006, 11:12:40 PM
[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 09:57 PM\']DROP IT.
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Fine. You don't have to tell me what that sketch is about.

Subject...DROPED!
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Post by: clemon79 on January 23, 2006, 11:26:41 PM
[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Jan 23 2006, 08:12 PM\']Subject...DROPED!
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Congratulations on coining the newest GSF cliche!
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 25, 2006, 12:41:33 AM
Guys, seriously. Knock it the hell off.

As for "Things that are personal," I have your definitive clue. "Your identification number."
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Post by: PYLdude on January 25, 2006, 12:52:02 AM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Jan 25 2006, 01:41 AM\']Guys, seriously. Knock it the hell off.
[snapback]108578[/snapback]
[/quote]

No matter how many times you tell people to knock it off, it won't get through. Maybe if musicman stopped posting on the board, it might help matters.

EDIT: Didn't see someone said it.
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 25, 2006, 07:46:05 AM
Someone else had already said "identification number". I think that that one looks more obvious when you know the category: "Oh, of course, personal identification number." But with just the last two words, I'm not sure it's quite that simple to get there. Just my opinion, of course.
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on May 03, 2006, 02:29:26 AM
Thought I'd run a few of these by you guys...I've used them in the Palace when I host Pyramid...and wanted some feedback on these (posted the two below too for comparison):
$200-Things that are ridden
$250-Things you memorize
$300-Things with an ending

$200-Things you promise
$250-Things that are treasured
$300-Things that are catered

$200-Things that are extended
$250-Things with a hook
$300-Things that Hover

I now see why Pyramid may have reused material...after writing 30 games solo, it was hard to come up with much new.
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Post by: Ian Wallis on May 03, 2006, 09:05:37 AM
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$300-Things with an ending

If I'm not mistaken, that was the last category on the original "Pyramid" in 1980 (I think it was worded "Things That End", but I'd have to check the tape).

Bill Cullen was the clue-giver, and said "this show.....the world one day" and the contestant got it.  Quite appropriate for the final show!
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Post by: zachhoran on May 03, 2006, 10:00:27 AM
[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'117582\' date=\'May 3 2006, 09:05 AM\']
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$300-Things with an ending

If I'm not mistaken, that was the last category on the original "Pyramid" in 1980 (I think it was worded "Things That End", but I'd have to check the tape).


[/quote]

It was Things that come to an End. The $300 box in the final WC on the Clark $100K Pyramid was Things you Finish.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on May 03, 2006, 11:13:34 AM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'117579\' date=\'May 3 2006, 01:29 AM\']
$200-Things that are ridden
[/quote]
I'm flabbergasted on how one could guess this.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: DrJWJustice on May 03, 2006, 11:26:10 AM
[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' post=\'117587\' date=\'May 3 2006, 10:13 AM\']
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'117579\' date=\'May 3 2006, 01:29 AM\']
$200-Things that are ridden
[/quote]
I'm flabbergasted on how one could guess this.

Brandon Brooks
[/quote]
Sometimes you get lucky, Brandon.  I did think of some clues:  "a horse" "a pony" "a bicycle" "a unicycle".  If you really want to get crude, "a woman"....
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Post by: Matt Ottinger on May 03, 2006, 11:31:37 AM
[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' post=\'117589\' date=\'May 3 2006, 11:26 AM\']
Sometimes you get lucky, Brandon.  I did think of some clues:  "a horse" "a pony" "a bicycle" "a unicycle".  If you really want to get crude, "a woman"....[/quote]
"A carousel horse", "a Greyhound bus", "Mr. Toad's wild automobile"

It's actually easier than it looks, because the judge has to take the more likely "Things You Ride (On)"
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Post by: DrJWJustice on May 03, 2006, 12:03:38 PM
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'117590\' date=\'May 3 2006, 10:31 AM\']
"Mr. Toad's wild automobile"

[/quote]

Wouldn't that be better suited for "Things you avoid"?  lol
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on May 03, 2006, 01:08:27 PM
[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' post=\'117589\' date=\'May 3 2006, 10:26 AM\']
Sometimes you get lucky, Brandon.  I did think of some clues:  "a horse" "a pony" "a bicycle" "a unicycle".  If you really want to get crude, "a woman"....
[/quote]
Oh, duh.  I was thinking about the state of being full of something, like "ridden with holes."

Nevermind.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: Unrealtor on May 03, 2006, 08:50:22 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'117579\' date=\'May 3 2006, 01:29 AM\']
$200-Things you promise
$250-Things that are treasured
$300-Things that are catered
[/quote]

From the perspective of giving clues, the $300 box here seems fairly easy. A convention luncheon, a hotel-ballroom banquet, etc. -- anything that's not a restaraunt where you're eating professionally-made food. Or the alternate tack: A demanding person's wishes (which is more "catered to.") Perhaps it's harder on the recieving end to put them back together.

Also, didn't "Things you treasure"/"Things that are treasured" come up as the last box on one of the tournaments from the year that GSN's looping through constantly?
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Post by: PalCatIN on May 03, 2006, 09:52:43 PM
Try these on for size, see what you think:

$200 - Things on a grid

$250 - Degraded things

$300 - Types of Architecture
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Post by: zachhoran on May 03, 2006, 10:23:04 PM
[quote name=\'PalCatIN\' post=\'117635\' date=\'May 3 2006, 09:52 PM\']
Try these on for size, see what you think:

$200 - Things on a grid

$250 - Degraded things

$300 - Types of Architecture
[/quote]

The Architecture one was gotten at $150 or $200 on one episode of the 1986-87 $100K season with clues like Modern and Gothic IIRC.
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Post by: dale_grass on May 04, 2006, 11:40:59 AM
No, no, I'm serious...

($300) Things That Are Engorged
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Post by: dale_grass on May 04, 2006, 12:20:02 PM
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$200 - Things on a grid
Coordinates, axes, points, plots

Quote
$250 - Degraded things
Abu Gharaib (sp?) prisoner, criminals, spoiled children, sexual deviants
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Post by: Mike Tennant on May 04, 2006, 01:23:38 PM
[quote name=\'PalCatIN\' post=\'117635\' date=\'May 3 2006, 09:52 PM\']
$250 - Degraded things
[/quote]
A nearly-failing test paper
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Post by: clemon79 on May 04, 2006, 01:54:25 PM
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'117682\' date=\'May 4 2006, 10:23 AM\']
[quote name=\'PalCatIN\' post=\'117635\' date=\'May 3 2006, 09:52 PM\']
$250 - Degraded things
[/quote]
A nearly-failing test paper
[/quote]
Cute, but it's been my experience that punny clues make for complete disasters in the Winner's Circle. Your receiver is too busy concentrating on the picture you're supposed to be painting to make a connection that involves extra brain cycles.
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Post by: Mike Tennant on May 04, 2006, 04:19:41 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'117683\' date=\'May 4 2006, 01:54 PM\']
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'117682\' date=\'May 4 2006, 10:23 AM\']
[quote name=\'PalCatIN\' post=\'117635\' date=\'May 3 2006, 09:52 PM\']
$250 - Degraded things
[/quote]
A nearly-failing test paper
[/quote]
Cute, but it's been my experience that punny clues make for complete disasters in the Winner's Circle. Your receiver is too busy concentrating on the picture you're supposed to be painting to make a connection that involves extra brain cycles.
[/quote]
Guess I should've put a smiley or something with that.  I didn't really think it would be a good clue; I just liked the pun.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 04, 2006, 06:26:37 PM
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'117705\' date=\'May 4 2006, 01:19 PM\']
Guess I should've put a smiley or something with that.  I didn't really think it would be a good clue; I just liked the pun.
[/quote]
Oh, it's a fine pun, just a lousy clue. ;)

In a similar vein, this morning's blog post on my site is about the announcement that the first three Star Wars movies are being released on DVD in proper fashion (i.e., Greedo not shooting, no walking Jabbas, etc.) later this year. The title is "May The Fourth Be With You." :)
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Post by: GS Warehouse on May 04, 2006, 07:54:51 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'117713\' date=\'May 4 2006, 06:26 PM\']In a similar vein, this morning's blog post on my site is about the announcement that the first three Star Wars movies are being released on DVD in proper fashion (i.e., Greedo not shooting, no walking Jabbas, etc.) later this year. The title is "May The Fourth Be With You." :)[/quote]
[throws life-sized Ewok action figures at Chris]  That's my joke!
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Post by: clemon79 on May 04, 2006, 08:18:44 PM
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' post=\'117723\' date=\'May 4 2006, 04:54 PM\']
[throws life-sized Ewok action figures at Chris]
[/quote]
Uh, whatever.

/is there a more irritating GSF cliche than "X throws Y at Z"?
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Post by: TLEberle on May 04, 2006, 08:30:48 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'117727\' date=\'May 4 2006, 05:18 PM\']Uh, whatever.

/is there a more irritating GSF cliche than "X throws Y at Z"?
[/quote]WHOOOSH! (with several Os taken out because I don't feel like killing the O key.)

Seriously, that's my answer. Instead of taking time to explain things, some people run around WHOOOSHING everyone else. I nominate that.
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Post by: clemon79 on May 04, 2006, 08:36:26 PM
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'117728\' date=\'May 4 2006, 05:30 PM\']
Seriously, that's my answer. Instead of taking time to explain things, some people run around WHOOOSHING everyone else. I nominate that.
[/quote]
I like WHOOOSH fine when it's used properly. The problem is that a few chuckleheads around here hand them out like they hand out Misplays Of The Day.
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Post by: Brandon Brooks on May 04, 2006, 09:07:20 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'117713\' date=\'May 4 2006, 05:26 PM\']
[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'117705\' date=\'May 4 2006, 01:19 PM\']
Guess I should've put a smiley or something with that.  I didn't really think it would be a good clue; I just liked the pun.
[/quote]
Oh, it's a fine pun, just a lousy clue. ;)
[/quote]
Ditto, however, I think this just proves that this category's pretty lousy.  It's nigh impossible to guess.

Brandon Brooks
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Post by: DoorNumberFour on May 04, 2006, 09:15:17 PM
Heh. I got one:

______________
|                      |
|  HAPHAZARD  |
|     THINGS      |
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Post by: Dbacksfan12 on May 04, 2006, 10:07:23 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'117727\' date=\'May 4 2006, 07:18 PM\']
/is there a more irritating GSF cliche than "X throws Y at Z"?
[/quote]
"Last post by zachhoran".
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Post by: dzinkin on May 04, 2006, 10:15:48 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'117744\' date=\'May 4 2006, 10:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'117727\' date=\'May 4 2006, 07:18 PM\']
/is there a more irritating GSF cliche than "X throws Y at Z"?
[/quote]
"Last post by zachhoran".
[/quote]
Mark, Chris asked for a "cliche," not "wishful thinking."
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Post by: tpirfan28 on January 10, 2007, 05:50:10 PM
Yes...I do realize that this is (nearly) a year-old bump, but after reading the topic that linked back to this one, I came up with one.  Donno if it's $300 material or not, but...

THINGS THAT ARE ROUTED.

I can at least think of one clue...maybe two.
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Post by: clemon79 on January 10, 2007, 06:07:01 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'142760\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 02:50 PM\']
THINGS THAT ARE ROUTED.
[/quote]
Internal network traffic.
Detoured traffic.
A newspaper delivery pattern.

/as always, that's one "M".
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Post by: BrentW on January 10, 2007, 06:38:46 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'142763\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 06:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'142760\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 02:50 PM\']
THINGS THAT ARE ROUTED.
[/quote]
Internal network traffic.
Detoured traffic.
A newspaper delivery pattern.

/as always, that's one "M".
[/quote]
"Detoured traffic" is questionable.  'Detoured' shows up online as being synonymous with "alternate route" or "being routed in a different fashion."  So I think that would get zapped.  But I could be wrong; I'm not here to throw tomatoes.  :-)  All are fab clues.

The one that got me the other day was:

"THINGS YOU PROLONG"

Any takers?
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Post by: clemon79 on January 10, 2007, 06:58:33 PM
[quote name=\'BrentW\' post=\'142765\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 03:38 PM\']
"Detoured traffic" is questionable.  'Detoured' shows up online as being synonymous with "alternate route" or "being routed in a different fashion."  So I think that would get zapped.  But I could be wrong; I'm not here to throw tomatoes.  :-)  All are fab clues.
[/quote]
Oh, you may be right. Personally, I thought people were gonna bitch about the newspaper one. It's close, though, since they are not direct synonyms: "detour" is to divert from an obstacle, where "route" is merely the planning of a path. So they might buzz me, but I'd fight tooth and nail for it. :)
Quote
The one that got me the other day was:

"THINGS YOU PROLONG"
"The inevitable."

/one "M", dammit
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Post by: tpirfan28 on January 10, 2007, 07:15:45 PM
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'142770\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 06:58 PM\']
[quote name=\'BrentW\' post=\'142765\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 03:38 PM\']
"Detoured traffic" is questionable.  'Detoured' shows up online as being synonymous with "alternate route" or "being routed in a different fashion."  So I think that would get zapped.  But I could be wrong; I'm not here to throw tomatoes.  :-)  All are fab clues.
[/quote]
Oh, you may be right. Personally, I thought people were gonna bitch about the newspaper one. It's close, though, since they are not direct synonyms: "detour" is to divert from an obstacle, where "route" is merely the planning of a path. So they might buzz me, but I'd fight tooth and nail for it. :)
[/quote]
See...I thought of "detoured traffic" as well, but I felt that one better fit the word "REROUTED".

This would have been an interesting '80-90's era box as "internal network traffic" would have more than likely seen blank stares.
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Post by: BrandonFG on January 10, 2007, 07:43:53 PM
[quote name=\'BrentW\' post=\'142765\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 06:38 PM\']
The one that got me the other day was:

"THINGS YOU PROLONG"

Any takers?
[/quote]
An overtime football game, maybe?
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Post by: SamJ93 on January 10, 2007, 09:22:45 PM
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'142773\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 07:43 PM\']
[quote name=\'BrentW\' post=\'142765\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 06:38 PM\']
The one that got me the other day was:

"THINGS YOU PROLONG"

Any takers?
[/quote]
An overtime football game, maybe?
[/quote]

"The agony" along with "the inevitable" sound like the definite money clues.  Also, "A sick person's recovery period," possibly?

--Sam
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Post by: BrentW on January 10, 2007, 09:58:05 PM
[quote name=\'SamJ93\' post=\'142795\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 09:22 PM\']

"The agony" along with "the inevitable" sound like the definite money clues.  Also, "A sick person's recovery period," possibly?

--Sam
[/quote]

Not to answer my own subject, but that one got me thinking:  Maybe better put as: "a brain-dead person's life"?

Bravo (or brava, as the case may be)...

Brent
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Post by: TimK2003 on January 10, 2007, 11:00:30 PM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'142760\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 06:50 PM\']
Yes...I do realize that this is (nearly) a year-old bump, but after reading the topic that linked back to this one, I came up with one.  Donno if it's $300 material or not, but...

THINGS THAT ARE ROUTED.

I can at least think of one clue...maybe two.
[/quote]

If you are a member, then this is the Golden Clue:

A Triple-A (AAA) Map, or
A Personalized (AAA) Triptik.

Another good one is:  A Bus or Greyhound Line.
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 10, 2007, 11:59:52 PM
Here's one for you. Have fun.

THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING
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Post by: BrandonFG on January 11, 2007, 12:13:57 AM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'142825\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 11:59 PM\']
Here's one for you. Have fun.

THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING
[/quote]
A celebrity's lifestyle.

Mythical stories.

Unexplained phenomena
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Post by: Jay Temple on January 11, 2007, 12:16:03 AM
Arte Johnson's stupid occurrences
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Post by: Kevin Prather on January 11, 2007, 12:43:41 AM
A PBS special is another one I thought of. Can't think of any real money clues though. Any titles that use "interesting"?
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Post by: clemon79 on January 11, 2007, 01:05:59 AM
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'142771\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 04:15 PM\']
See...I thought of "detoured traffic" as well, but I felt that one better fit the word "REROUTED".
[/quote]
...which still gets the person to say the keyword "routed", and therefore still has them filling out the check with one "M". :)
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Post by: uncamark on January 11, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
"THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING?"

People in a Monty Python sketch.

"Our first guest this evening is Mr. Ali Bayam, he's in the studio with us tonight, and he's stark raving mad!"

[Wild-eyed, wild-haired gentleman with beard stares at camera--host hits canned applause button]

"Mr. Ali Bayam--stark--raving--mad!"
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Post by: clemon79 on January 11, 2007, 04:37:29 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' post=\'142825\' date=\'Jan 10 2007, 08:59 PM\']
THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING
[/quote]
"A dynamic speaker."
"A knowledgable conversationalist."

/you know how to spell it
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Post by: Robert Hutchinson on January 11, 2007, 08:54:11 PM
[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'142829\' date=\'Jan 11 2007, 12:16 AM\']
Arte Johnson's stupid occurrences[/quote]
This one could be helped a lot by a decent impression.