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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Jamey Greek on December 11, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
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Check this out!
Ads for a show that never came to Fruition with Jack Narz called Phrase It Also, they promoted a game show called Press Your Luck not to be confused with the Peter Tomarken Press Your Luck we all know and love but one based on the game Simon. Produced by Ralph Edwards and distributed by Columbia Television. Who would have thought Pat would end up working for CPT nine years later?
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oh yeah! I forgot the link!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...0%2002%2018.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201980/BC%201980%2002%2018.pdf\")
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Saw the ad for Newlywed Game, thought Golden West handled it. Or do you remember seeing a Worldvision logo at the end?
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Any way to help out those of us too lazy to search with some page numbers?
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The whole issue is chock full of gems, and I'm only halfway through it.
Part of the fun is not knowing what I'm going to find. Especially those upcoming Barry-Enright debuts that are still a hit with all the game show kids 'round these parts.
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The whole issue? Holy cow, I just realized the guy has scanned virtually EVERY issue from 1938 to 1980, over two thousand in all. What a resource!
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this guys archive is a gold mine,
"Sale Of The Century" was being sold in weekly syndication for fall 1975? (cleared in 37 markets)
February 1976 stations were buying "The $64,000 Question" for fall and not $128,000?
For fall of '79 Chuck Barris was pitching:
"Chuck Barris Hour Talkshow"?
"How's Your Mother In-Law" with Pat McCormick?
and (strap in kids, but probably should be no big surprise)...
"The Divorce Game"?????
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Apparently Art Linkletter was set to be host of I've Got a Secret during convention season in 1972... wonder why that ended up not happening.
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I used to read the archived copies of this magazine in college, but it sounds like I may have just found a new time-waster. Good find!
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'252367\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 02:24 AM\']February 1976 stations were buying "The $64,000 Question" for fall and not $128,000?[/quote]
Because it was supposed to be "$64K Question", but then Name That Tune decided to add the Mystery Tune, so "Question" added the end of season tournament to compensate. Problem is (and one of the reasons it only lasted two years) was that it was originally set to air on the CBS O&O's, but came up against their $25,000 limit (which at the time, applied to both network & syndie). Viacom then made deals with Metromedia & Group W owned stations.
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Great find! Thanks Jamey!
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Random thoughts from reading the 2/18/80 issue, more or less in chronological order...
* Vidal Sassoon tried doing a talk show? It does look interesting, I'll give it that.
* Lendon Smith was still doing stuff in 1980?!
* Both Play The Percentages and Bullseye were being pitched to stations, especially odd considering the former had only been on for a month and the latter wouldn't appear until Fall.
* The Nighttime Price is Right is not mentioned anywhere for Fall '80, which is somewhat strange considering they had about a month of tapings left to do (assuming they actually stopped at 300 episodes).
* Pics of Robin Ward's To Tell The Truth pilot. Doesn't look that much different than the series, from what I can tell. If the stories of some other Canadian personality doing a pilot are true, then Goodson had already picked Ward for the series by this point.
* Bill Cullen's Punch Lines pilot gets a brief mention on one page, along with a couple of other unsold games.
* Page 165 gives a brief blurb on a game called Fantasies Fulfilled. I don't know if it's directly related to the pilot Bill did almost a year earlier, mainly since the picture associated with it looks really odd.
* A show named Star Tracks, produced by some company called The Fremantle Corporation, claiming to have the most expensive set ever built for a syndicated program. If it's the same company, things are starting to make a whole lot more sense.
* I've never seen Leonard Nimoy with a mustache. I've seen him with a grin on that "Bilbo Baggins" music video thing, but never a mustache. And apparently he's the "Host Narrator" (no slash).
* Norm Crosby kinda looks like Dennis James from that angle.
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the 3-16-81 issue has a very small ad from Metromedia mentioning "Rodeo Drive" with Peter Tomarkin is available for fall '81. In the same ad is "Super Pay Cards", the history books show which one got sold.
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'252371\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 04:29 AM\'][quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'252367\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 02:24 AM\']February 1976 stations were buying "The $64,000 Question" for fall and not $128,000?[/quote]
Because it was supposed to be "$64K Question", but then Name That Tune decided to add the Mystery Tune, so "Question" added the end of season tournament to compensate. Problem is (and one of the reasons it only lasted two years) was that it was originally set to air on the CBS O&O's, but came up against their $25,000 limit (which at the time, applied to both network & syndie). Viacom then made deals with Metromedia & Group W owned stations.
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but even at 64k that would have been way over the CBS limit so why would their stations even consider it? When this ad was published (2-23-76) the station list was definitely the metromedia stations.
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[quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'252382\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 01:05 PM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'252371\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 04:29 AM\'][quote name=\'narzo\' post=\'252367\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 02:24 AM\']February 1976 stations were buying "The $64,000 Question" for fall and not $128,000?[/quote]
Because it was supposed to be "$64K Question", but then Name That Tune decided to add the Mystery Tune, so "Question" added the end of season tournament to compensate. Problem is (and one of the reasons it only lasted two years) was that it was originally set to air on the CBS O&O's, but came up against their $25,000 limit (which at the time, applied to both network & syndie). Viacom then made deals with Metromedia & Group W owned stations.
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but even at 64k that would have been way over the CBS limit so why would their stations even consider it? When this ad was published (2-23-76) the station list was definitely the metromedia stations.
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...I found it on Wiki, sorry. Maybe, tentative deals were made, but then CBS applied the limit to both network & syndie, causing Viacom to look for alternate means, then they decided to up it to $128K.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'252377\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 11:10 AM\']* Vidal Sassoon tried doing a talk show? It does look interesting, I'll give it that.[/quote]GAME SHOW CONNECTION!!! The announcer for Your New Day with Vidal Sassoon was John Harlan.
YND was a good show, I thought. I especially enjoyed the make-over segment where at the end of Friday's show, an audience member was chosen to get all glammed, etc. by Monday through Vidal's expertise. Nothing like Molly's success story on The Brady Bunch, but he did do remarkable work with a few of them.
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Also if you look at some ads. I think Merv Griffin tried to syndicate Wheel twice during the Chuck Woolery era.
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I'll add the 90-minute Bert Convy talk show (which obviously never went to series) -- produced by B&E.
I'll have to check more of these out. Nice find.
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Too bad we got strip "Family Feud" and not "Strip Family Feud". Oh well...
Josh
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Good stuff...I think this site will keep me busy for awhile, as it appears to have done w/most of you. :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Impressed "Chuckie Baby")
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Maybe, tentative deals were made, but then CBS applied the limit to both network & syndie, causing Viacom to look for alternate means
Your theory makes no sense whatsoever. Why would CBS make a "tentative deal" for a show with the grand prize right there in the title if they planned to enforce their prize cap (which I believe was $20,000 at the time, compared to the other networks' $25,000)?
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[quote name=\'joshg\' post=\'252428\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 11:54 PM\']Too bad we got strip "Family Feud" and not "Strip Family Feud". Oh well...[/quote]
Oh wow, "Strip Family Feud"! Hadn't thought of that. Although ... I have played "Strip Jeopardy!" at a couple of parties. It can get wild, especially since the best-looking ones aren't necessarily the brightest.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'252433\' date=\'Dec 13 2010, 05:27 AM\']
Maybe, tentative deals were made, but then CBS applied the limit to both network & syndie, causing Viacom to look for alternate means
Your theory makes no sense whatsoever. Why would CBS make a "tentative deal" for a show with the grand prize right there in the title if they planned to enforce their prize cap (which I believe was $20,000 at the time, compared to the other networks' $25,000)?
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Again, Wiki... and again, I apologize. I probably should have found a more credible source.
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Thanks for my newest timesuck! I love to get my hands on Broadcasting/Broadcasting & Cable .... but only read it for the ads.
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Just this one issue is full of win. Thumbs up OP.
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The source I have -- Erickson's Syndicated TV book -- noted that CBS pulled out at 64K. I would guess (if the story is accurate) that the sale was done at the O&O level and only later did someone at the network level mention that this may be problematic. Before you say it -- I know that the book has errors too.
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That is a great site..David Gleason also copied a lot of other broadcasting related magazines and yearbooks on that site..Excellent resource..
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It won't be long until There will be a game show related article on Broadcasting (December 19, 1988): Dan Enright Back on Top of his TV Game. David is slowly going into the 80s. BTW, I saw the pic of Leonard Nimoy and he does resemble John Oates a bit.
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Also in the 1980 issues there are ads galore for The Toni Tennile Show produced by None other than Bob Eubanks!
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Take a look at the list of Fremantle game shows being offered in this 1984 issue!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2002%2013.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2002%2013.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'253395\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 05:31 PM\']Take a look at the list of Fremantle game shows being offered in this 1984 issue!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2002%2013.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2002%2013.pdf\")[/quote]
The only Fremantle shows I noticed were LMaD and FF, which were distributed by different companies back then.
However, there's an ad from Genesis for a show called "Guilty or Innocent", which I've only read about in the Encyclopedia of games. Anyone know anything about that? I believe it was produced in Dallas...
Also, browsing other issues, I noticed a few hour-long dramas were syndicated as half-hour shows...interesting.
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The issue also reveals (on page 107) that a 90-minute game show block for launch in fall '83 was cleared in 70 markets, but failed to get enough major markets to go all the way. The shows? Chain Reaction, Three on a Match and Eye Guess.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'joshg\' post=\'252428\' date=\'Dec 12 2010, 11:54 PM\']Too bad we got strip "Family Feud" and not "Strip Family Feud". Oh well...
Josh[/quote]
Personally, (speaking of the ad) I wouldn't have watched the show unless I knew I would see some "V of Doom", and I ain't talking Viacom, either.
(though, the V of Doom placed at the bottom center of the ad so that you had to scroll down to see it makes this ad so naughtily appropriate). >:-)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'253397\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 05:51 PM\']http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2002%2013.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2002%2013.pdf\")
The only Fremantle shows I noticed were LMaD and FF, which were distributed by different companies back then.
However, there's an ad from Genesis for a show called "Guilty or Innocent", which I've only read about in the Encyclopedia of games. Anyone know anything about that? I believe it was produced in Dallas...[/quote]
I actually remember watching an episode or two of this show back in the fall of 1984. Essentially you watched a re-enactment of a courtroom trial in which 12 jury members had to vote if the defendant was guilty or innocent and the ones who voted correctly got to split a cash prize pot. If all 12 members voted correctly, they all split an even larger cash prize pot.
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Page 107's picture has just narrowed down when the second Jeopardy! pilot was taped, thanks to the logo being on Alex's podium.
[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'253398\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 05:58 PM\']The issue also reveals (on page 107) that a 90-minute game show block for launch in fall '83 was cleared in 70 markets, but failed to get enough major markets to go all the way. The shows? Chain Reaction, Three on a Match and Eye Guess.[/quote]
Three NBC daytime games from three consecutive decades, all produced by Bob Stewart and hosted by Bill Cullen. Interesting.
The blurb doesn't specify whether it was a repeat package or all-new episodes, which leaves two possible conclusions:
* If they were repeat packages, we now know something substantial exists of two games we all thought were long gone...and if that's the case, Sony(?) would make a mint off the game show fanbase by putting them on manufacture-on-demand DVD.
* If they were all-new episodes, we have a definite "What If?" situation and a possibility of three pilots (or more) that tried to revive three cult classics...but if that's the case, wouldn't we have heard something about them by now?
If it's the latter, Bill would likely have been available for at least one of them -- in 1983 he did Child's Play through September 16, and his next game Hot Potato recorded its pilot on December 1.
In either case, the first time I saw this I just wanted to cry and yell a profanity or two. Adding insult to injury is that the blurb says Syndicast was trying to sell the block for the 1984-85 season, but that evidently failed as well.
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a 90-minute game show block for launch in fall '83 was cleared in 70 markets, but failed to get enough major markets to go all the way.
Damn! In that same era one of our shows was considered a "go" if it could be sold to just one network's station group which consisted at the time of, what, five or six stations? TPIR was a "go" having been sold just to the NBC stations with plenty of money to go around (even factoring in Barker's salary) and TPIR is not a cheap show to do. The revenue from other stations was gravy.
Even though we're talking about three shows and 70 markets, we're also talking Bob Stewart who was not as munificent as Mr. Goodson and would certainly not pay his talent Barker-sized salaries.
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Anyone know if there were actually pilots produced for the Fall '83 editions of CR, 3oaM, & Eye Guess?
--Jamie
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'253403\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 07:19 PM\']The blurb doesn't specify whether it was a repeat package or all-new episodes, which leaves two possible conclusions:
* If they were repeat packages, we now know something substantial exists of two games we all thought were long gone[/quote]You really think they were gonna syndicate 20 year old reruns of a game show? Strike one. and if that's the case, Sony(?) would make a mint off the game show fanbase by putting them on manufacture-on-demand tDVD.
Yes, the HUGE game show fan base. Those BCI sets were great sellers, weren't they? Strike two. In either case, the first time I saw this I just wanted to cry and yell a profanity or two. Adding insult to injury is that the blurb says Syndicast was trying to sell the block for the 1984-85 season, but that evidently failed as well.
Try throwing your computer out the window, then. Strike three.
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[quote name=\'GameShowGuru\' post=\'253402\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 07:15 PM\']I actually remember watching an episode or two of this show back in the fall of 1984. Essentially you watched a re-enactment of a courtroom trial in which 12 jury members had to vote if the defendant was guilty or innocent and the ones who voted correctly got to split a cash prize pot. If all 12 members voted correctly, they all split an even larger cash prize pot.[/quote]
Thanks! I remember seeing Genesis's name on a few other court shows of the decade (as well as the syndie $otC), but I think that was their first attempt at a court show.
As popular as court shows are, wonder if an idea like that could work now...
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Anyone check out the early 1981 issues? Among the noteworthy shows that didn't make it to air that fall were Chuck Barris's $1M Talent Search and attempted Dollar a Second revial w/Bob Eubanks, as well as Hittin' Home, an Hour Magazine-type show to have been hosted by Chuck Woolery...one issue also featured a profile of moral crusader Rev. Donald Wildmon and his joint efforts w/Jerry Fallwell to try and clean up TV.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Fiono Coyne\' post=\'253464\' date=\'Dec 27 2010, 01:57 PM\']Anyone know if there were actually pilots produced for the Fall '83 editions of CR, 3oaM, & Eye Guess?
--Jamie[/quote]
I have seen references here and there to The New Three On A Match and The New Eye Guess having shot pilots.
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'253469\' date=\'Dec 27 2010, 05:45 PM\'][A]ttempted Dollar a Second revial w/Bob Eubanks[/quote]
I did notice that...for some reason I always thought that was an ABC pilot? The theme was, of course, used for another syndicated Barris show: Treasure Hunt.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'252453\' date=\'Dec 13 2010, 03:51 PM\']The source I have -- Erickson's Syndicated TV book -- noted that CBS pulled out at 64K. I would guess (if the story is accurate) that the sale was done at the O&O level and only later did someone at the network level mention that this may be problematic. Before you say it -- I know that the book has errors too.[/quote]
The 3/10/75 issue of Broadcasting has an initial story about Viacom relaunching the show on page 26. The 3/24/75 issue of Broadcasting has a blurb about the CBS O&O sale on page 42. The 4/14/75 issue has a story detailing the CBS O&O pullout on page 30.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'253398\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 05:58 PM\']The issue also reveals (on page 107) that a 90-minute game show block for launch in fall '83 was cleared in 70 markets, but failed to get enough major markets to go all the way. The shows? Chain Reaction, Three on a Match and Eye Guess.
-Jason[/quote]
And it was being tried again for Fall of 1984 in that Fall of 1984 was the year for Game shows. In the special NATPE issue from 1984, they have a big article talking about 1984 being the year for game shows. Also, MCA was going to revive the Movie Game and name it: The $1,000,000 Movie Game.
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Oh yeah, in the 1983 issues, MCA is promoting it's Pop N' Rocker Game.
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Have the issues always been searchable and I just never noticed until now, or is the search a relatively new thing? Because I just hit a motherload of Bill Cullen stuff that might take me a week to process.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'253837\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 12:04 AM\']Have the issues always been searchable and I just never noticed until now, or is the search a relatively new thing? Because I just hit a motherload of Bill Cullen stuff that might take me a week to process.[/quote]
go on this website right here
www.davidgleason.com
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'253896\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 07:34 PM\']go on this website right here
www.davidgleason.com[/quote]So basically he should do what he was doing already?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'253837\' date=\'Jan 2 2011, 11:04 PM\']Have the issues always been searchable and I just never noticed until now, or is the search a relatively new thing? Because I just hit a motherload of Bill Cullen stuff that might take me a week to process.[/quote]
Really fascinating stuff -- there's a blurb about Professor Yes 'N' No on Page 98 of the 1/19/53 issue. The 8/10/53 issue lists "26 quarter-hours" as being among the many offerings by Screen Gems on Page 93.
[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'253833\' date=\'Jan 2 2011, 10:08 PM\']In the special NATPE issue from 1984, they have a big article talking about 1984 being the year for game shows. Also, MCA was going to revive the Movie Game and name it: The $1,000,000 Movie Game.[/quote]
Is that the 1/9/84 issue? If so, then the same blurb also mentions Card Sharks (Firestone) and High Rollers (Orion).
Other random stuff:
* The 2/20/84 issue states that the Jeopardy! pilot (doesn't say which) cost about $650,000 to make (Page 46).
* Pay Cards! was on offer for 1969-70 (3/17/69, Page 83). I didn't think it or the 1969-70 Queen For A Day were daily shows, but the numbers say they were -- 260 and 195, respectively.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'253898\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 11:01 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'253896\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 07:34 PM\']go on this website right here
www.davidgleason.com[/quote]So basically he should do what he was doing already?[/quote]
Yeah, I think Jamey misread the question. Pretty badly, in fact.
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On pages 16-17 there is a Goodson-Todman ad bragging about their Popularity in London and other countries
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-06-11.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-06-11.pdf\")
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From June 2, 1975. The announcement of ABC's overhaul of its daytime schedule that interestingly notes that "Blankety Blanks" was *not* slated for cancellation initially but obviously the ratings situation necessitated a change in those plans.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/7...-02-Page-28.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/70s-OCR/BC-1975-06-02-Page-28.pdf\")
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December 2, 1976. NBC announces cancellation of Stumpers, 50 Grand Slam. "Shoot For The Stars" still known tentatively as "Shoot The Works" at this stage.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive\") BC/70s-OCR/BC-1976-12-06-Page-40.pdf
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'254994\' date=\'Jan 18 2011, 08:07 PM\']December 2, 1976. NBC announces cancellation of Stumpers, 50 Grand Slam. "Shoot For The Stars" still known tentatively as "Shoot The Works" at this stage.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive\") BC/70s-OCR/BC-1976-12-06-Page-40.pdf[/quote]
On the same page (40) there's a blurb about Double Dare replacing Gambit.
In that same issue on page 16 there's full page ad for a proposed prime access contender starring our future friend Blake Emmons.
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From 1/28/80, a two-page ad for a Nighttime Card Sharks; is this the genesis of the '82 reruns?
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...28-Page-129.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC%201980%2001%2028-Page-129.pdf\")
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...28-Page-128.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC%201980%2001%2028-Page-128.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'255021\' date=\'Jan 19 2011, 07:14 AM\']From 1/28/80, a two-page ad for a Nighttime Card Sharks; is this the genesis of the '82 reruns?
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...28-Page-129.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC%201980%2001%2028-Page-129.pdf\")
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...28-Page-128.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC%201980%2001%2028-Page-128.pdf\")[/quote]
I wouldn't call it the genesis of the reruns, but G-T was probably aware that NBC was looking to overhaul its daytime schedule later that year and wanted to be ready in the event of possible cancellation.
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From June 2, 1975. The announcement of ABC's overhaul of its daytime schedule that interestingly notes that "Blankety Blanks" was *not* slated for cancellation initially but obviously the ratings situation necessitated a change in those plans.
I guess this explains why reruns of The Brady Bunch were brought back - and it was probably almost a last-minute decision. ABC probably figured it was cheaper to run that than new episodes of Blankety Blanks, especially since they'd lose the rights to the Bradys that fall.
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...28-Page-129.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC%201980%2001%2028-Page-129.pdf\")
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...28-Page-128.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC%201980%2001%2028-Page-128.pdf\")
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Look at those ratings!
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Check out Page 128 in this issue of broadcasting magazine!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-10-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-10-08.pdf\")
They say they recently created a game show pilot called Trivial Combat
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Also look at this!
On Page 26 there is a pic of The Nova Science Quiz with Art Fleming as host!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-10-15.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-10-15.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'253910\' date=\'Jan 4 2011, 09:34 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'253898\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 11:01 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'253896\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 07:34 PM\']go on this website right here
www.davidgleason.com[/quote]So basically he should do what he was doing already?[/quote]
Yeah, I think Jamey misread the question. Pretty badly, in fact.
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Matt, here is the website
http://www.davidgleason.com/Broadcasting_I...ssues_Guide.htm (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Broadcasting_Individual_Issues_Guide.htm\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255087\' date=\'Jan 19 2011, 11:22 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'253910\' date=\'Jan 4 2011, 09:34 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'253898\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 11:01 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'253896\' date=\'Jan 3 2011, 07:34 PM\']go on this website right here
www.davidgleason.com[/quote]So basically he should do what he was doing already?[/quote]
Yeah, I think Jamey misread the question. Pretty badly, in fact.
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Matt, here is the website
http://www.davidgleason.com/Broadcasting_I...ssues_Guide.htm (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Broadcasting_Individual_Issues_Guide.htm\")
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I think you've missed the point...again. I'm pretty sure Matt knows where the magazine PDFs are located.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255085\' date=\'Jan 19 2011, 08:06 PM\']They say they recently created a game show pilot called Trivial Combat[/quote]
If by "recently" you mean "twenty-five years ago", then sure, "recently."
(Also, a) I don't see any such reference on page 128, and b) even if I did? You're telling me someone else was trying to cash in on the success of Trivial Pursuit by pumping out a pilot with the word "trivia" in the title? I am shocked. SHOCKED.
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woops Chris I mean over 25 years ago they did Trivial Combat
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255095\' date=\'Jan 19 2011, 09:36 PM\']woops Chris I mean over 25 years ago they did Trivial Combat[/quote]And Mark Goodson did Trivia Trap 26 years ago. He was also too late. What's your point?
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255095\' date=\'Jan 19 2011, 11:36 PM\']woops Chris I mean over 25 years ago they did Trivial Combat[/quote]
You make this thread entertaining.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255096\' date=\'Jan 19 2011, 09:38 PM\']And Mark Goodson did Trivia Trap 26 years ago. He was also too late. What's your point?[/quote]
I don't think he was too late, necessarily. I do think that the basic hypothesis of slapping the word "trivia" on a pedestrian Q&A concept as a recipe for instant success was flawed.
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I read about Barbara Corday the then-president of Columbia Pictures Television. It was mentioned that there was going to be a game show in first-run syndication called Trivial Combat.
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Look at Page 127 there is an interview with Barbara Corday well a profile of her and she mentions the show.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-10-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-10-08.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255093\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 12:31 AM\'](Also, a) I don't see any such reference on page 128, and b) even if I did? You're telling me someone else was trying to cash in on the success of Trivial Pursuit by pumping out a pilot with the word "trivia" in the title? I am shocked. SHOCKED.[/quote]
It's on the page before, and nothing more than a one-sentence mention about what Columbia had in mind for future projects.
A few points.
-When I was in college, I used to read the back issues, and I remember something from a spring-1985 issue about a trivia pilot airing on ABC. IIRC, "Trivial" was in the title, but I thought it was a form of "Trivial Pursuit".
Found it (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC-1985-05-06-Page-34.pdf#search=%22trivial%22\")...apparently, it was under a "Trivial Pursuit" title. Anyone remember it?
-At the risk of turning this into a post everything we see here that's mildly game show related, a thread sometime ago asked about a Bob Hilton pilot called "Fun For the Money". The pilot clip eventually showed up on Youtube, but I couldn't find it. It was made in 1985 (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-30.pdf\"), I'm guessing for the next fall.
-And finally, I noticed some primetime shows that ran for an hour were offered as half-hour reruns. Can't imagine what that would've done for continuity, esp. a serial like "Dynasty".
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255102\' date=\'Jan 19 2011, 09:58 PM\']-At the risk of turning this into a post everything we see here that's mildly game show related,[/quote]If this happens I'm blaming you for poking the bear.
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In this issue here
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-11-12.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-11-12.pdf\")
There is a sharp ad promoting WOF!
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255120\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 11:03 AM\']In this issue here
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-11-12.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-11-12.pdf\")
There is a sharp ad promoting WOF![/quote]
For those of you who *also* said "boy, it sure would be helpful if he'd tell you what page it was on instead of expecting you to search through the entire 104 page document," (or equivalent sentiments with non ER-friendly phrasings) it's on pages 16-17.
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Found an ad for Clark $100K Pyramid:
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...-25-Page-20.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC-1985-03-25-Page-20.pdf\")
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/8...-25-Page-21.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC-1985-03-25-Page-21.pdf\")
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an ad for J! and WOF back to back
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-11-12.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-11-12.pdf\")
Look on pages 20 and 21
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255151\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 07:09 PM\']Look on pages 20 and 21[/quote]
Better.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255151\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 07:09 PM\']an ad for J! and WOF back to back[/quote]
I don't see J! anywhere in that ad.
/Did you actually read the ad?
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'255155\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 04:44 PM\']/Did you actually read the ad?[/quote]
Apparently not, 'cuz I saw a two-page spread for Lifetime.
This is getting really old.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'255155\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 08:44 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255151\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 07:09 PM\']an ad for J! and WOF back to back[/quote]
I don't see J! anywhere in that ad.
/Did you actually read the ad?
[/quote]
wait 16 and 17! Is where the J!/WOF ad is! Also, On Page 36 there is talk about Dick Clark and Bob Stewart doing a pilot together called You are the Jury Just keep reading until you find it!
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Also, In the 12-3-84 issue there is the ad for J! and WOF once again!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-12-03.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-12-03.pdf\")
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Okay...I gotta admit, this may be game show related, but I'm not really jazzed about posting every single ad from every single issue, unless it's something completely rare (i.e. the Bob Hilton pilot I posted a few posts ago) or obscure. Stuff like that, awesome. Every 1984 ad for Wheel or Jeopardy? Meh.
/Ditto Youtube videos
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255162\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 05:43 PM\']Just keep reading until you find it![/quote]
No, no, a thousand times no.
If you're gonna post every time something even a little GS-related show up in these magazines, you owe it to everyone to a) justify why you think it's noteworthy (hint: a syndication ad for WOF in a trade publication isn't) and b) tell us what the hell page it's on, accurately. Otherwise you're wasting everyone's time and bandwidth.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255167\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 08:52 PM\']/Ditto Youtube videos[/quote]
You see that ship? No? You know why? It sailed.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255171\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 06:15 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255167\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 08:52 PM\']/Ditto Youtube videos[/quote]
You see that ship? No? You know why? It sailed.[/quote]
I think his point is that it's not really necessary to post ALL of them.
/yes, yes, ship, sailed, etc, your sandbox.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255162\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 05:43 PM\']Just keep reading until you find it![/quote]Oh HELLS no.
[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255165\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 05:49 PM\']Also, In the 12-3-84 issue there is the ad for J! and WOF once again![/quote]And why wouldn't you, with Wheel barely a year old at that, and Jeopardy! looking to break into as many markets as they could.
Really, this is what we've come to?
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-12-10.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-12-10.pdf\")
In this issue there is an ad for Headline Chasers! Page 15!
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I thought Horan was banned from this place?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255172\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 09:18 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255171\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 06:15 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255167\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 08:52 PM\']/Ditto Youtube videos[/quote]
You see that ship? No? You know why? It sailed.[/quote]
I think his point is that it's not really necessary to post ALL of them.
[/quote]
What Chris said, but point taken from Matt. And I thought I needed new binoculars. ;-)
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255174\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 09:20 PM\']http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1984-12-10.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC-1984-12-10.pdf\")
In this issue there is an ad for Headline Chasers! Page 15![/quote]
Again who cares? Can you please only point out ads or info that's rare or noteworthy (for example shows pitched or pilots shot that we didn't know about or have never seen a photo from)?
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'255183\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 07:00 PM\']Can you please only point out ads or info that's rare or noteworthy (for example shows pitched or pilots shot that we didn't know about or have never seen a photo from)?[/quote]
A photo from Headline Chasers has some nostalgia value attached to it, but yet another ad showing Garry Moore and the TTTT panel at the time, we're not that interested in.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255162\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 08:43 PM\']wait 16 and 17! Is where the J!/WOF ad is![/quote]
I skimmed through that whole issue, and there was not an ad for Jeopardy anywhere to be seen.
Just keep reading until you find it!
As everyone else has flatly said... NO!
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Alright on Page 80 There is an article about Chuck Barris back in the game. He mentions four game shows that never made it. Physical People Poker Family Olympics and Moneywords
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255189\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 09:36 PM\']Alright on Page 80 There is an article about Chuck Barris back in the game. He mentions four game shows that never made it. Physical People Poker Family Olympics and Moneywords[/quote]
If you look hard enough, there's a fifth: "Are You Faster than a Popsicle Twin?" which led to: "I'd Like You to Have a Seat Over There."
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255189\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 09:36 PM\']Alright on Page 80 There is an article about Chuck Barris back in the game. He mentions four game shows that never made it. Physical People Poker Family Olympics and Moneywords[/quote]
Isn't there an IHOP or something close to where you live? There's got to be something else you can do with your life. You must be hungry.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255192\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 11:40 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255189\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 09:36 PM\']Alright on Page 80 There is an article about Chuck Barris back in the game. He mentions four game shows that never made it. Physical People Poker Family Olympics and Moneywords[/quote]
Isn't there an IHOP or something close to where you live? There's got to be something else you can do with your life. You must be hungry.
[/quote]
Unfortunately no
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So I'm perusing this for all the fun game show ads and then I see it:
The RCA TH-200 1" VTR.
And then I shudder with hatred. My master control stint in my earlier days - we had to deal with that monstrosity. Yeesh.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255189\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 07:36 PM\']Alright on Page 80 There is an article about Chuck Barris back in the game. He mentions four game shows that never made it. Physical People Poker Family Olympics and Moneywords[/quote]
That only looks like two shows.
/dammit, why didn't Bob the Angry Flower do a comma strip
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Woops, sorry I forgot the commas.
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Taking my own advice here...
Page 27 (http://\"http://davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201983/BC%201983%2003%2014.pdf\"), from March 14, 1983. There's an ad for a game show called Help Wanted that never went to series. I'm pretty sure this is the same show profiled on Al Roker's short-lived Remember This? from MSNBC. According to the ad (and Roker's show), contestants competed to win a job.
Roker's show featured trivia questions based on NBC News stories. It's been close to 15 years since I've seen it (Roker's show), but I believe the game show pilot featured an ex-con looking for employment.
/Not a bad concept
//Works 28 years later!
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And finally, I noticed some primetime shows that ran for an hour were offered as half-hour reruns. Can't imagine what that would've done for continuity, esp. a serial like "Dynasty".
I remember this...some of my old TVGuides (especially around the mid-80s) have those listings. I guess they just edited them down to half-hour and ran them in order. Maybe they figured an hour just wouldn't sell well. Didn't last too long though.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'255215\' date=\'Jan 21 2011, 08:47 AM\']
And finally, I noticed some primetime shows that ran for an hour were offered as half-hour reruns. Can't imagine what that would've done for continuity, esp. a serial like "Dynasty".
I remember this...some of my old TVGuides (especially around the mid-80s) have those listings. I guess they just edited them down to half-hour and ran them in order. Maybe they figured an hour just wouldn't sell well. Didn't last too long though.
[/quote]
I thought they just made everything 2-parters?
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I remember "Fantasy Island" also airing in a chopped half hour format in syndication for a brief time.
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'255225\' date=\'Jan 21 2011, 02:30 PM\']I remember "Fantasy Island" also airing in a chopped half hour format in syndication for a brief time.[/quote]
That is correct. They focused on just one story rather than jumping back and forth between storylines. One show Viacom cut to ribbons was "The Rookies." Each episode was cut down to half-hour length if stations asked for them.
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I also found out via the 1/7/1985 issue that Headline Chasers was a package deal that came with WOF and J! and WKMG (then WCPX) lost WOF as a result.
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In this issue here on Page 60
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-14.pdf\")
There is an article on Game Shows. It's called Game Shows a wave of popularity at INTV.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255246\' date=\'Jan 21 2011, 08:07 PM\']I also found out via the 1/7/1985 issue that Headline Chasers was a package deal that came with WOF and J! and WKMG (then WCPX) lost WOF as a result.[/quote]
No, no, a thousand times no! I seriously believe you are misreading trade ads horribly here. King World was selling the show on the strength of Wheel and J!. No such deal existed.
/Feel like I'm talking to the wall
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255250\' date=\'Jan 21 2011, 09:03 PM\']There is an article on Game Shows. It's called Game Shows a wave of popularity at INTV.[/quote]
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/239...veraloneplz.png (http://\"http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/239/d/f/forever_alone_by_foreveraloneplz.png\")
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Anyone want some cereal? (http://\"http://images.memegenerator.net/Cereal-Guy/File/118259/Cereal-Guy.jpg\") I give up.
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In this issue dated February 4, 1980 (http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201980/BC%201980%2002%2004.pdf), you might want to check out page 71 to see how they promoted something called TV-POWWW!
How would you have fared?
By the way, we had a TV-POWWW! here in Los Angeles on KTTV (channel 11) around 1979; hosted by L.A. kids' show fave "Sheriff John" Rovick. Another of those who should have been a game show host himself. But that's just me.....
Cordially,
Tammy
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'255224\' date=\'Jan 21 2011, 10:51 AM\'][quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'255215\' date=\'Jan 21 2011, 08:47 AM\']
And finally, I noticed some primetime shows that ran for an hour were offered as half-hour reruns. Can't imagine what that would've done for continuity, esp. a serial like "Dynasty".
I remember this...some of my old TVGuides (especially around the mid-80s) have those listings. I guess they just edited them down to half-hour and ran them in order. Maybe they figured an hour just wouldn't sell well. Didn't last too long though.
[/quote]
I thought they just made everything 2-parters?
[/quote]
Sort of on the same topic, but I remember reading that the hour long New Scooby Doo Movies from the 70's were offered as half hour shows as part of the package of Scooby Doo reruns when that show went into syndication in the early 80s.
Also, I saw a few episodes of the New Scooby Movies back when Kids WB aired Scooby reruns in 2002/2003 and they aired them as two half hour episodes, usually with Part 1 airing on Monday or Thursday and then part 2 airing Tuesday or Friday(another show was airing in Scooby's timeslot on Wednesdays for a while).
That being said, I would assume that hour long shows in primetime would have probably aired as two half hour shows in syndication as well for a while. Although if I had the choice I would rather see a full hour long show unedited, then an hour long show split into two half hours, airing on back to back days, but that's just me :)
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On Page 120 There is a picture of the Catch Phrase Pilot with Rick Barry as host. Any idea who he is?
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-14.pdf\")
Never heard of him and is it Rick Barry?
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255285\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 11:34 AM\']On Page 120 There is a picture of the Catch Phrase Pilot with Rick Barry as host. Any idea who he is?
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-14.pdf\")
Never heard of him and is it Rick Barry?[/quote]
He's a Basketball Hall of Famer who played for the Golden State Warriors and several other NBA teams in the 60s and 70s. And that is indeed the one and only Rick Barry. Accept no imitations.
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Thanks Mike!
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' post=\'253469\' date=\'Dec 27 2010, 06:45 PM\']Anyone check out the early 1981 issues? Among the noteworthy shows that didn't make it to air that fall were Chuck Barris's $1M Talent Search and attempted Dollar a Second revial w/Bob Eubanks, as well as Hittin' Home, an Hour Magazine-type show to have been hosted by Chuck Woolery...one issue also featured a profile of moral crusader Rev. Donald Wildmon and his joint efforts w/Jerry Fallwell to try and clean up TV.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")[/quote]
Now, what if Hittin' Home ever became a series? Do you think Chuck would have left Wheel to do that? And we would have seen Pat a lot earlier? By the way, he hosted the aformentioned Press Your Luck pilot distributed by Columbia Pictures Television.
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On Page 42 There is an article and one paragraph talks about Catch Phrase and They are also talking about Golden West TV syndicating PYL on the next page! Page 43!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-14.pdf\")
Oh yeah, the PYL mention is a brief mention.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255295\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 01:14 PM\']On Page 42 There is an article and one paragraph talks about Catch Phrase and They are also talking about Golden West TV syndicating PYL on the next page! Page 43!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-14.pdf\")
Oh yeah, the PYL mention is a brief mention.[/quote]
Don't see anything of the sort on page 42 or 43. Really you have to stop this.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255295\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 12:14 PM\']Oh yeah, the PYL mention is a brief mention.[/quote]
When was the last time you logged off the computer and went outside?
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255308\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 03:50 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255295\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 12:14 PM\']Oh yeah, the PYL mention is a brief mention.[/quote]
When was the last time you logged off the computer and went outside?
[/quote]
Just today Dawg. I rode my golf cart today. Also, I gave those to you because I figured you'd like them but, guess not. I at least, posted something rare. I posted a pic of the Catch Phrase pilot with Rick Barry as host. Thank you very much.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255312\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 05:01 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255308\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 03:50 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255295\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 12:14 PM\']Oh yeah, the PYL mention is a brief mention.[/quote]
When was the last time you logged off the computer and went outside?
[/quote]
Just today Dawg. I rode my golf cart today. Also, I gave those to you because I figured you'd like them but, guess not. I at least, posted something rare. I posted a pic of the Catch Phrase pilot with Rick Barry as host. Thank you very much.
[/quote]
And another thing, there was talk about PYL being syndicated and I gave you the wrong page numbers. But you are too d*** lazy to read the magazine until you spot it! So there!
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Yo yo yo, homey G.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255313\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 04:04 PM\']And another thing, there was talk about PYL being syndicated and I gave you the wrong page numbers. But you are too d*** lazy to read the magazine until you spot it! So there![/quote]
Jamey, you are on the thinnest of ice. I personally have no problem with you posting all the links you want. If people don't like it, they don't have to click on them. However, we expect that the links you post are accurate. Your failure to provide a proper link does not mean that someone else is lazy. You need to make your links accurate -- with correct page numbers -- or you need to stop posting in this thread. If you cannot do the former, I can certainly take care of the latter.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255319\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 01:39 PM\']You need to make your links accurate -- with correct page numbers -- or you need to stop posting in this thread. If you cannot do the former, I can certainly take care of the latter.[/quote]
I salute you. (http://\"http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5931/kaneklapqo6lu9.gif\")
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OK, Here is the right link here. I wasn't paying attention or thinking straight y'all.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-21.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-21.pdf\")
This link right here Page 42. They talk about Catch Phrase there is a Paragraph about Catch Phrase and it says that Rick Barry will host. But As we all know that did not happen. Art James hosted instead. Also On Page 43. Golden West Television was considering launching PYL as a syndicated strip.
Are you happy?
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255322\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 02:00 PM\']Are you happy?[/quote]
I am not a moderator, but I suspect strongly you would do very well to curtail the 'tude in a hurry.
Just a friendly suggestion. Do with it what you will.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255322\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 05:00 PM\']Also On Page 43. Golden West Television was considering launching PYL as a syndicated strip.[/quote]Oh, so close! The answer we were looking for was page 46 (http://\"http://pfg.elitepalaces.com/p46.PNG\")!
As we say in the casino industry...thanks for playing.
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Alright, Before I get blocked from this thread right here is a short blurb on Hot Potato going into Syndicated reruns.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-28.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-28.pdf\")
Page 99
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255326\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 05:54 PM\']Alright, Before I get blocked from this thread right here is a short blurb on Hot Potato going into Syndicated reruns.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-28.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-28.pdf\")[/quote]
In fairness, that's kind of interesting to me. "The show's 115 episodes will be offered in 74 US markets in which the program did not air during 1983-1984 network broadcast on NBC-TV." In the first place, wow, that's a lot of markets that didn't clear the show. Yes, noon time slot, local news, I just didn't think it would be that many. Second, did they really make a specific effort to only offer the show in those 74 markets? If somebody outside the 74 really wanted it, don't you think they'd make a deal?
Also, Jamey, the only one controlling whether you're blocked in this thread is you. Making a big deal about it, as if you're being treated unfairly, isn't doing you any favors.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255327\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 06:23 PM\']Second, did they really make a specific effort to only offer the show in those 74 markets? If somebody outside the 74 really wanted it, don't you think they'd make a deal?[/quote]
Maybe the phrasing was to specify they weren't selling to station groups?
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On Page 80 There is a Game show-like contest during 3 for the money. During KYW's game show block of Feud, $100k NTT, and LMAD
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-02-04.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-02-04.pdf\")
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and speaking of NTT I found out that for the second season that Television Program Entertainment Al Masini's company was going to distribute Name That Tune but they could not renew enough stations for a second season.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-03-11.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-03-11.pdf\")
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Oh yeah the paragraph's on Page 104.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255322\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 02:00 PM\']I wasn't paying attention or thinking straight y'all.[/quote] Try. With all your might.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'255324\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 02:35 PM\']Oh, so close! The answer we were looking for was page 46 (http://\"http://pfg.elitepalaces.com/p46.PNG\")!
As we say in the casino industry...thanks for playing.[/quote]Given that I think this thread is about to come to an end, I would advise against poking the bear.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255344\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 09:18 PM\']and speaking of NTT I found out that for the second season that Television Program Entertainment Al Masini's company was going to distribute Name That Tune but they could not renew enough stations for a second season.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-03-11.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-03-11.pdf\")[/quote]
For the record, people, it's page 29 of the PDF, page 104 of the magazine. It's about a one-paragraph blurb, but the one interesting thing I found was that they planned removing the "90-second prize plug at the end of show". I'm guessing that was the list of what went into the $100K prize package. Perhaps they were going to do a straight cash homey jackpot like Masini's other show Star Search.
I stumbled upon ratings for the first couple weeks of the 1984 season. Apparently NTT pulled a 7.7 rating, which would put it somewhere near the top nowadays. Amazing how ratings have changed in 25+ years.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255347\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 06:38 PM\']I stumbled upon ratings for the first couple weeks of the 1984 season. Apparently NTT pulled a 7.7 rating, which would put it somewhere near the top nowadays. Amazing how ratings have changed in 25+ years.[/quote]Is it? Feud was being toppled by Wheel, which wasn't yet the juggernaut it became; Jeopardy! wasn't yet on the scene, and Joker and Tic Tac were also on the outs.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255349\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 09:45 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255347\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 06:38 PM\']Amazing how ratings have changed in 25+ years.[/quote]Is it?[/quote]I think he's talking about the state of ratings in 2011, which I do believe is amazing. If Name That Tune pulled a 7.7 in the last week of reported ratings, it would have finished .1 behind the #1, Wheel of Fortune, making it a surefire hit that would be instantly renewed. In 1985, a rating like that was apparently not enough to keep it around.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'255351\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 06:56 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255349\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 09:45 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255347\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 06:38 PM\']Amazing how ratings have changed in 25+ years.[/quote]Is it?[/quote]I think he's talking about the state of ratings in 2011, which I do believe is amazing. If Name That Tune pulled a 7.7 in the last week of reported ratings, it would have finished .1 behind the #1, Wheel of Fortune, making it a surefire hit that would be instantly renewed. In 1985, a rating like that was apparently not enough to keep it around.[/quote]I think Brandon knows that I wasn't calling him out (implicitly or explicitly) and you're right, what producer wouldn't sell their soul for an eight share in this multiverse of content?
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Found an ad for Kennedy TPIR
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-07.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-07.pdf\")
Page 140.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255352\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 09:58 PM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'255351\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 06:56 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255349\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 09:45 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255347\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 06:38 PM\']Amazing how ratings have changed in 25+ years.[/quote]Is it?[/quote]I think he's talking about the state of ratings in 2011, which I do believe is amazing. If Name That Tune pulled a 7.7 in the last week of reported ratings, it would have finished .1 behind the #1, Wheel of Fortune, making it a surefire hit that would be instantly renewed. In 1985, a rating like that was apparently not enough to keep it around.[/quote]I think Brandon knows that I wasn't calling him out (implicitly or explicitly) and you're right, what producer wouldn't sell their soul for an eight share in this multiverse of content?
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Correct and correct. It was more of an observation at what could get you canceled back in the day. :-)
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255193\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 10:43 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255192\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 11:40 PM\']Isn't there an IHOP or something close to where you live? There's got to be something else you can do with your life. You must be hungry.[/quote]
Unfortunately no[/quote]
Whoosh.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255320\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 04:52 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255319\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 01:39 PM\']You need to make your links accurate -- with correct page numbers -- or you need to stop posting in this thread. If you cannot do the former, I can certainly take care of the latter.[/quote]
I salute you. (http://\"http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5931/kaneklapqo6lu9.gif\")
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Seconded.
Back to the topic at hand, that "Punch Lines" sounds a tad complicated — how exactly did it work? Teams of comedians on a panel?
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'255354\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 07:09 PM\']Found an ad for Kennedy TPIR
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-07.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-07.pdf\")
Page 140.[/quote]
...which features photos of TK with contestants Frank Wayne and Sheryl Paris(?).
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[quote name=\'joshg\' post=\'255370\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 01:06 AM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'255354\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 07:09 PM\']Found an ad for Kennedy TPIR
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-07.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-07.pdf\")
Page 140.[/quote]...which features photos of TK with contestants Frank Wayne and Sheryl Paris(?).[/quote]
...and a shot of Pick a Pair with a price in a spot that was never used for anything but the names of products.
Crap like this bugs me. I know it isn't important, but I still wanna know why it was put there, and I also know there's no way anyone remembers.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'255373\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 01:52 AM\']...and a shot of Pick a Pair with a price in a spot that was never used for anything but the names of products.
Crap like this bugs me. I know it isn't important, but I still wanna know why it was put there, and I also know there's no way anyone remembers.[/quote]
Steve, it's just a trade ad. That is all.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'255373\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 10:52 PM\']Crap like this bugs me. I know it isn't important, but I still wanna know why it was put there, and I also know there's no way anyone remembers.[/quote]
Is it possible that the original picture had the brand name of a product in there and it needed to get removed?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255378\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 03:31 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'255373\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 10:52 PM\']Crap like this bugs me. I know it isn't important, but I still wanna know why it was put there, and I also know there's no way anyone remembers.[/quote]
Is it possible that the original picture had the brand name of a product in there and it needed to get removed?
[/quote]
I can tell you it would not. What he's talking about was just generic product tags like "Baked Beans" or "Peanut Butter", for example.
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[quote name=\'Twentington\' post=\'255362\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 12:39 AM\']Back to the topic at hand, that "Punch Lines" sounds a tad complicated — how exactly did it work? Teams of comedians on a panel?[/quote]
Punch Lines was an updated version of Eye Guess. Instead of a board with printed answers, there was a wall (http://\"http://userdata.acd.net/ottinger/cullen/tvseries/zpilots.html#punch\") where this panel of unknown young comics would say the answers. As with the original, all the answers would be revealed at the start of the round, but in this version, after the panel gave their answers, they all ran to a different spot on the wall. The contestants had to remember who had the right answer, and also note where they had moved. In this version, the contestants were paired with celebrity playing partners (Fred Grandy and Joyce Bulifant) for no reason other than to make it a show with celebrities.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'253403\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 07:19 PM\'][quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'253398\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 05:58 PM\']The issue also reveals (on page 107) that a 90-minute game show block for launch in fall '83 was cleared in 70 markets, but failed to get enough major markets to go all the way. The shows? Chain Reaction, Three on a Match and Eye Guess.[/quote]
Three NBC daytime games from three consecutive decades, all produced by Bob Stewart and hosted by Bill Cullen. Interesting.
[/quote]
Source on this is my own faulty memory, but I recall the Perf mentioning this package once and specifying the hosts. It was going to be Geoff Edwards on Chain Reaction, Jack Clark on Three on a Match, and Nipsey Russell on Eye Guess.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'255385\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 10:13 AM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'253403\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 07:19 PM\'][quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'253398\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 05:58 PM\']The issue also reveals (on page 107) that a 90-minute game show block for launch in fall '83 was cleared in 70 markets, but failed to get enough major markets to go all the way. The shows? Chain Reaction, Three on a Match and Eye Guess.[/quote]
Three NBC daytime games from three consecutive decades, all produced by Bob Stewart and hosted by Bill Cullen. Interesting.
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Source on this is my own faulty memory, but I recall the Perf mentioning this package once and specifying the hosts. It was going to be Geoff Edwards on Chain Reaction, Jack Clark on Three on a Match, and Nipsey Russell on Eye Guess.
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Had that ever came to fruition I am sure Merv and company would have to find someone else to announce the syndicated version of WOF. Or Bob Stewart would have to find someone else to host Three on a Match.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'255385\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 10:13 AM\'][quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'253398\' date=\'Dec 26 2010, 05:58 PM\']The issue also reveals (on page 107) that a 90-minute game show block for launch in fall '83 was cleared in 70 markets, but failed to get enough major markets to go all the way. The shows? Chain Reaction, Three on a Match and Eye Guess.[/quote]
Source on this is my own faulty memory, but I recall the Perf mentioning this package once and specifying the hosts. It was going to be Geoff Edwards on Chain Reaction, Jack Clark on Three on a Match, and Nipsey Russell on Eye Guess.[/quote]
The coulda-been here is just all kinds of fascinating to me. Even if the shows only ran a season, how marvelous would that have been? Interesting that Stewart was going with old-school veterans, but yet didn't have Cullen himself tagged for one of the shows. Even if Child's Play had taken off, adding a syndicated show shouldn't have been a problem.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255389\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 11:12 AM\'][quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'255385\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 10:13 AM\']
Source on this is my own faulty memory, but I recall the Perf mentioning this package once and specifying the hosts. It was going to be Geoff Edwards on Chain Reaction, Jack Clark on Three on a Match, and Nipsey Russell on Eye Guess.[/quote]
The coulda-been here is just all kinds of fascinating to me. Even if the shows only ran a season, how marvelous would that have been? Interesting that Stewart was going with old-school veterans, but yet didn't have Cullen himself tagged for one of the shows. Even if Child's Play had taken off, adding a syndicated show shouldn't have been a problem.[/quote]
I'm pulling this one from the deepest crevices of my rear, but I think it's worth probing. (This statement, not my rear, thank you very much.)
Outside of the occasional appearance on The $25,000 Pyramid in the 80s, Bill's last work for Bob Stewart was Chain Reaction in 1980. Is it possible that Stewart felt Cullen was too old to host the above triad of shows? Yes, Clark and Nipsey weren't spring chickens in the mid-80s, but it's something that came to mind.
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I think it would surprise people just how old Nipsey really was. He was *older* than Bill by two years according to the bio entries I've seen.
That said, I don't think there was ever a time in Bill's game show career when he was doing two daily shows at once, network and syndicated as a host.
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'255354\' date=\'Jan 22 2011, 09:09 PM\']Found an ad for Kennedy TPIR
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-01-07.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-01-07.pdf\")
Page 140.[/quote]
And we have the 1985 version of Mo' Money in that ad... "PRICE is the highest-budgeted game show in America."
It's not something that I'd thought of before, but it's not surprising when you look at what they're doing today. The average car they offer these days seems to be in the $20-25K range (though I know that they pay less), and Alex Trebek occasionally cites an average winning score of $23K, so in terms of appearance Price routinely gives away in a single act what J! gives out in half an hour.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'255392\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 11:36 AM\']Outside of the occasional appearance on The $25,000 Pyramid in the 80s, Bill's last work for Bob Stewart was Chain Reaction in 1980. Is it possible that Stewart felt Cullen was too old to host the above triad of shows? Yes, Clark and Nipsey weren't spring chickens in the mid-80s, but it's something that came to mind.[/quote]
Yeah, that's certainly something to consider, and I'd have given it more weight if Stewart was clearly going after fresh young talent. But these three are just as clearly from his "Bill wasn't available" playbook. It is odd (and I hadn't considered it until this thread) that Bob didn't give Bill another show to host after Chain Reaction, even though the two remained close.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255399\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 01:29 PM\'][quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'255392\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 11:36 AM\']Outside of the occasional appearance on The $25,000 Pyramid in the 80s, Bill's last work for Bob Stewart was Chain Reaction in 1980. Is it possible that Stewart felt Cullen was too old to host the above triad of shows? Yes, Clark and Nipsey weren't spring chickens in the mid-80s, but it's something that came to mind.[/quote]
Yeah, that's certainly something to consider, and I'd have given it more weight if Stewart was clearly going after fresh young talent. But these three are just as clearly from his "Bill wasn't available" playbook. It is odd (and I hadn't considered it until this thread) that Bob didn't give Bill another show to host after Chain Reaction, even though the two remained close.
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Wasn't it said that Bill wanted to retire from the biz after Chain Reaction? Maybe Bob respected his wishes, even though Goodson and Barry/Enright kept throwing money at him.
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255387\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 10:24 AM\']Had that ever came to fruition I am sure Merv and company would have to find someone else to announce the syndicated version of WOF. Or Bob Stewart would have to find someone else to host Three on a Match.[/quote]
Guys still hosted two shows simultaneously back then. I think Jack could've handled hosting one game and announcing another...
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255412\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 06:42 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255387\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 10:24 AM\']Had that ever came to fruition I am sure Merv and company would have to find someone else to announce the syndicated version of WOF. Or Bob Stewart would have to find someone else to host Three on a Match.[/quote]
Guys still hosted two shows simultaneously back then. I think Jack could've handled hosting one game and announcing another...
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Well, you can't double dip and work for two producers in syndication
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[quote name=\'Eric Paddon\' post=\'255395\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 01:14 PM\']I think it would surprise people just how old Nipsey really was. He was *older* than Bill by two years according to the bio entries I've seen.
That said, I don't think there was ever a time in Bill's game show career when he was doing two daily shows at once, network and syndicated as a host.[/quote]
No, but he had periods where he was doing a network show as host, a five-a-week syndie on a panel, and a weekly syndie as host.
I don't know how Pyramid's syndicated version taped -- whether it was the whole season in two or three weeks (like, say Masquerade Party must have), or a more leisurely schedule. Squares just would tape an extra show or two each week, but that wouldn't make sense with a different host between the network and syndicated editions.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255428\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 04:00 PM\']Well, you can't double dip and work for two producers in syndication[/quote]This is the first I've heard of that. Shouldn't? I'd buy that. Oughn't? OK, I can dig it. But Can't?
Proof or Not Real.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'255432\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 07:20 PM\']I don't know how Pyramid's syndicated version taped -- whether it was the whole season in two or three weeks (like, say Masquerade Party must have), or a more leisurely schedule.[/quote]
If you're talking about Bill's (and I'm pretty sure you are), they taped six shows a day on five taping days for a total of thirty shows each season. Each taping date had a pool of six celebrities (three men, three women) who each played two episodes. I don't know the exact taping dates, but as I understand it, they would schedule around the availability of Bill and whatever celebrities they could rustle up. It wasn't just five consecutive days and out.
[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255436\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 07:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255428\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 04:00 PM\']Well, you can't double dip and work for two producers in syndication[/quote]This is the first I've heard of that. Shouldn't? I'd buy that. Oughn't? OK, I can dig it. But Can't?[/quote]
Jamey can't prove it because, as a blanket statement, it's nonsense. Cullen worked for Goodson (TTTT) and Stewart ($25K) at the same time in syndication. Johnny Gilbert surely had other jobs for other producers in the decades that Jeopardy has aired.
It is always possible that one or the other (or both) producers might want to sign their talent to exclusive contracts, and there probably have been many such contracts over the years. But no one -- certainly not Mr. Greek -- can say what would definitely have happened in any particular case.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255452\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 07:32 PM\']Johnny Gilbert surely had other jobs for other producers in the decades that Jeopardy has aired.[/quote] Pyramid would be the easiest one. He comes and goes two weeks here and three weeks there, but he was in the rotation.
It is always possible that one or the other (or both) producers might want to sign their talent to exclusive contracts, and there probably have been many such contracts over the years.
And Johnny could tell Jeopardy, "Fine, just pay me more money and you get exclusivity," and Jeopardy can then decide what they want to do. If exclusivity is an issue at all it had to come up, because you can't just pretend that oh no, that was my sound-alike brother Newton Gilbert you heard on the Pyramid earlier today, and he just uses my name on stage. At some point there was a conversation about it.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255455\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 10:55 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255452\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 07:32 PM\']Johnny Gilbert surely had other jobs for other producers in the decades that Jeopardy has aired.[/quote] Pyramid would be the easiest one. He comes and goes two weeks here and three weeks there, but he was in the rotation.[/quote]
Technically speaking, though, he might have only done the network version of Pyramid, and Jamey was specifically talking about two syndicated shows at the same time. Having both a network and a syndicated gig at the same time was fairly common. In Gilbert's case, Love Connection might be a better example.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255458\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 11:00 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255455\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 10:55 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255452\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 07:32 PM\']Johnny Gilbert surely had other jobs for other producers in the decades that Jeopardy has aired.[/quote] Pyramid would be the easiest one. He comes and goes two weeks here and three weeks there, but he was in the rotation.[/quote]
Technically speaking, though, he might have only done the network version of Pyramid, and Jamey was specifically talking about two syndicated shows at the same time. Having both a network and a syndicated gig at the same time was fairly common. In Gilbert's case, Love Connection might be a better example.
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Oh yeah I forgot lol
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In 1990 Johnny Gilbert announced for J! and Quiz Kids Challenge in syndication. QKC was touted to have a chance to topple J! by covering all demographics with a virtually identical format, so if Merv was okay with that, he probably would have let Jack do other shows too.
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-07-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-07-08.pdf\")
The cover is heralding $100k Pyramid and it has a Picture of Dick Clark on there.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255502\' date=\'Jan 24 2011, 06:14 PM\']The cover is heralding $100k Pyramid and it has a Picture of Dick Clark on there.[/quote]
Because there is no other place on the Internet to find a picture of Dick Clark.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255504\' date=\'Jan 24 2011, 05:31 PM\']Because there is no other place on the Internet to find a picture of Dick Clark.[/quote]You shut your mouth, sir! Dick Clark demands your respect! Demands it!
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'255507\' date=\'Jan 24 2011, 09:12 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255504\' date=\'Jan 24 2011, 05:31 PM\']Because there is no other place on the Internet to find a picture of Dick Clark.[/quote]You shut your mouth, sir! Dick Clark demands your respect! Demands it![/quote]
Pics or it didn't happen.
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"Ohh!!! I get it! Becuz it's a game show ad so it's relevant!!1! Kinda like seeing a Wheel slot machine during a Hurricane Katrina special!1" (http://\"http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/306/a/1/Cereal_Guy_wallpaper_by_8_bitninja.png\")
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'255404\' date=\'Jan 23 2011, 04:39 PM\']Wasn't it said that Bill wanted to retire from the biz after Chain Reaction?[/quote]
I've heard this before and I've never believed it. I just have trouble picturing a 58-year-old man totally uprooting himself from NYC after 33 years and moving to the opposite coast for employment if he's planning on retiring in a year and a half anyway.
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Another random question from a past memory...check out the Feb. 22, 1982 issue (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201982/BC%201982%2002%2022.pdf\"). On PDF page 15 (literally page 11), there's an ad for a Harvey Korman show called Knock Knock.
In Peter Marshall's book, he mentions HSq staffer Jay Redack had a TV pilot with Paul Lynde in mind. However, Paul never showed up, and when Redack went to Paul's house to confront him, he found him dead, or later found out, I don't remember. Would anyone know if this was indeed the project Jay had in mind for Paul?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255743\' date=\'Jan 28 2011, 02:20 AM\']Another random question from a past memory...check out the Feb. 22, 1982 issue (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201982/BC%201982%2002%2022.pdf\"). On PDF page 15 (literally page 11), there's an ad for a Harvey Korman show called Knock Knock.
In Peter Marshall's book, he mentions HSq staffer Jay Redack had a TV pilot with Paul Lynde in mind. However, Paul never showed up, and when Redack went to Paul's house to confront him, he found him dead, or later found out, I don't remember. Would anyone know if this was indeed the project Jay had in mind for Paul?[/quote]
Yes, according to the Lynde biography Center Square by Steve Wilson and Joe Florenski. They say that Redack showed up at Paul's house with a film crew on a Sunday afternoon, but not getting an answer at the door, Redack left an angry note and they all left. Other friends found the body the next day after Lynde failed to show up at a party.
The book describes Knock Knock as "celebrities pulling Candid Camera-eque stunts on people". The book also says that Lynde "agreed to do a segment" for the show, it doesn't say that Paul was to host the series.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255752\' date=\'Jan 28 2011, 09:48 AM\']The book describes Knock Knock as "celebrities pulling Candid Camera-eque stunts on people". The book also says that Lynde "agreed to do a segment" for the show, it doesn't say that Paul was to host the series.[/quote]
Ahh got it. Thanks for clarifying!
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255743\' date=\'Jan 27 2011, 11:20 PM\']Another random question from a past memory...check out the Feb. 22, 1982 issue (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201982/BC%201982%2002%2022.pdf\"). On PDF page 15 (literally page 11), there's an ad for a Harvey Korman show called Knock Knock.[/quote]
How nostalgic seeing stories about Fox before Mr. Murdoch bought it and (analog) AM stereo. Interestingly, Jay Redack was doing Knock Knock for Metromedia Producers Corporation, with whom Jay Wolpert was once associated. And there's a picture of Bill Shatner with the Commodore VIC-20, "The wonder computer of the 1980s" (the Commodore 64 turned out to be much more popular -- I know where there is still one in service). I bought a VIC-20 in December of that year on Bill Shatner's say-so and learned how to program in VIC BASIC on it. Also got the companion cassette recorder and 300 baud modem. Yes sir, mine was all tricked out.
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On Page 64 in NATPE News in the November 11, 1985 issue, MGM/UA Television talks about an Entertainment News and game show called That's Showbiz hosted by Bill Harris then of Showtime. Also, There is a bowling game show called The Frame Game hosted by Gabe Kaplan co-produced by MGM/UA and Taft. Also They are talking about syndicating Love Me Love Me Not. In association with LBS.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-11-11.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-11-11.pdf\")
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GSF says I posted my last post yesterday while it was just today. But anyways here is something about $1M COAL
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-10-28.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-10-28.pdf\")
There is an article about $1M COAL forgot the page #. But they say it's targeted for stations without Wheel. They signed on WJXT who carried Wheel as well as WKRG and WTVY and they both carried Wheel at the time if I recall.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255826\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 12:12 AM\']There is an article about $1M COAL forgot the page #. But they say it's targeted for stations without Wheel. They signed on WJXT who carried Wheel as well as WKRG and WTVY and they both carried Wheel at the time if I recall.[/quote]
109 in PDF/104 in the real magazine. When you go to the magazine archive, there's a search engine you can use that's fairly reliable.
The article mentions it as a Telepictures show, which would've been right before the Lorimar merger.
(searches)
Actually, the merger was announced two weeks prior. (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC-1985-10-14-Page-28.pdf#search=%22lorimar%20telepictures%22\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255826\' date=\'Jan 28 2011, 09:12 PM\']There is an article about $1M COAL forgot the page #.[/quote]
Really? I mean, really?
/guess I'll "forget" to read it, then
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In Page 89 of the December 2nd issue, there are references to the Game show Crosswits, As well as Matchmaker and they mention that it's directed by veteran Wheel and J! director Jeff Goldstein As well as a mention of the aforementioned Fun for the Money and they mentioned that the show would be like Anything for Money it's not exactly in their description but it sounds like it.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-02.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-02.pdf\")
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Also in the December 9th issue there is an article for local game shows and 72 and 73 ads for NYSI the unsold pilot with Jack Clark and Card Sharks respectively.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-02.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-02.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255855\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 10:09 AM\']Also in the December 9th issue there is an article for local game shows and 72 and 73 ads for NYSI the unsold pilot with Jack Clark and Card Sharks respectively.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-02.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-02.pdf\")[/quote]
Aaaaaand you still can't be bothered to check your work.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255859\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 01:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255855\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 10:09 AM\']Also in the December 9th issue there is an article for local game shows and 72 and 73 ads for NYSI the unsold pilot with Jack Clark and Card Sharks respectively.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-02.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-02.pdf\")[/quote]
Aaaaaand you still can't be bothered to check your work.
[/quote]Hey man, its not his fault. Quit being so damn lazy!
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In the 12/2/85 issue, I found an ad for Davidson Squares on pages 54-55.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'255863\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 02:12 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255859\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 01:32 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255855\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 10:09 AM\']Also in the December 9th issue there is an article for local game shows and 72 and 73 ads for NYSI the unsold pilot with Jack Clark and Card Sharks respectively.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-02.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-02.pdf\")[/quote]
Aaaaaand you still can't be bothered to check your work.
[/quote]Hey man, its not his fault. Quit being so damn lazy!
[/quote]
Thank you Mark for taking up for me!
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Alright here is the December 9th issue now with the ad for local game shows as well as ads for NYSI 86 and Card Sharks
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-09.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-09.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255872\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 04:39 PM\']Thank you Mark for taking up for me![/quote]Erm.. (http://\"http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/sarcasm01.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255872\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 01:39 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'255863\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 02:12 PM\'][quote name='clemon79' post='255859' date='Jan 29 2011, Hey man, its not his fault. Quit being so damn lazy![/quote]
Thank you Mark for taking up for me![/quote]
I would like to thank Our Benevolent Moderators for the best laugh I've had all day.
/and this imprint of my palm in my forehead
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[quote name=\'Brian44\' post=\'255877\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 05:04 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255874\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 04:51 PM\']Alright here is the December 9th issue now with the ad for local game shows as well as ads for NYSI 86 and Card Sharks
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-09.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-09.pdf\")[/quote]
FYI...NYSI ad is on p.72 and CS ad is on p. 73.
[/quote]
I mentioned that earlier
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also the local game shows article are on pages 64-66. That have national hopes.
Jackpot Bingo as well as On the Spot.
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In this issue 12-16-1985 In Page 1 there is a family celebrating in their winnings and a pic of a TV set with Joker's Wild contestants. and On Page 2 there is a Banko Ad!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-16.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-16.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255882\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 06:06 PM\']In this issue 12-16-1985 In Page 1 there is a family celebrating in their winnings and a pic of a TV set with Joker's Wild contestants. and On Page 2 there is a Banko Ad![/quote]Was Headline Chasers faltering that quickly? I watched one episode back in the day and thought it was a dud. Did it ever have any ratings steam?
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Also in the 12-30 issue there is a pic of the Banko pilot!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-30.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-30.pdf\")
Page 82!
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Is this seriously what you do all day? Have you even left your room since discovering this website?
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255890\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 08:30 PM\']Is this seriously what you do all day? Have you even left your room since discovering this website?[/quote]
FYI son, I happened to go out to eat with my grandmother and her siblnigs and I am going to go outside for a walk so get off my back.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255891\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 07:32 PM\']FYI son, I happened to go out to eat with my grandmother and her siblnigs and I am going to go outside for a walk so get off my back.[/quote]
Unless you're 40 friggin' years old, you have zero right to call me "son".
Please continue your inaccurate obsession. I'm sure it's all you're gonna talk about during dinner.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'255102\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 01:58 AM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255093\' date=\'Jan 20 2011, 12:31 AM\'](Also, a) I don't see any such reference on page 128, and b) even if I did? You're telling me someone else was trying to cash in on the success of Trivial Pursuit by pumping out a pilot with the word "trivia" in the title? I am shocked. SHOCKED.[/quote]
It's on the page before, and nothing more than a one-sentence mention about what Columbia had in mind for future projects.
A few points.
-When I was in college, I used to read the back issues, and I remember something from a spring-1985 issue about a trivia pilot airing on ABC. IIRC, "Trivial" was in the title, but I thought it was a form of "Trivial Pursuit".
Found it (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/80s-OCR/BC-1985-05-06-Page-34.pdf#search=%22trivial%22\")...apparently, it was under a "Trivial Pursuit" title. Anyone remember it?
-At the risk of turning this into a post everything we see here that's mildly game show related, a thread sometime ago asked about a Bob Hilton pilot called "Fun For the Money". The pilot clip eventually showed up on Youtube, but I couldn't find it. It was made in 1985 (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-30.pdf\"), I'm guessing for the next fall.
-And finally, I noticed some primetime shows that ran for an hour were offered as half-hour reruns. Can't imagine what that would've done for continuity, esp. a serial like "Dynasty".
[/quote]
Also in the very same issue, There is an ad in Page 83 for a game show hosted by Jim McKrell called "Star Cluster" It is produced by Bill Armstrong as well as distributed by Four Star International
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1985-12-30.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201985/BC-1985-12-30.pdf\")
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Lotsa game show stuff in those mags, no doubt!
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Jamey, we're getting complaints about your citations without page numbers. You need to be diligent and include page numbers in your posts or we're going to put you on moderation. In addition, we can't catalog every reference to every game show that ever took out an ad in Broadcasting Magazine over the years. I am directing you -- not asking you, directing you -- to consolidate your findings into one post with several links, rather than one link without page numbers for everything you find.
Thank you.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'255896\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 09:08 PM\']Jamey, we're getting complaints about your citations without page numbers. You need to be diligent and include page numbers in your posts or we're going to put you on moderation. In addition, we can't catalog every reference to every game show that ever took out an ad in Broadcasting Magazine over the years. I am directing you -- not asking you, directing you -- to consolidate your findings into one post with several links, rather than one link without page numbers for everything you find.
Thank you.[/quote]
Chris, I did include page numbers for rarities like Banko and Star Cluster. I have been getting better at including page numbers. I just forgot the Page # for the ad for $1M COAL yesterday.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'255896\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 09:08 PM\']Jamey, we're getting complaints about your citations without page numbers. You need to be diligent and include page numbers in your posts or we're going to put you on moderation. In addition, we can't catalog every reference to every game show that ever took out an ad in Broadcasting Magazine over the years. I am directing you -- not asking you, directing you -- to consolidate your findings into one post with several links, rather than one link without page numbers for everything you find.
Thank you.[/quote]
Also sir, I have been looking at them chronologically so I could see if I can find any game show related things. And two, this is like the first time I saw the magazines. Except for looking at some issues from 1987 and 1988 when I was in Atlanta visiting my cousin summer of 2009 and my cousin in law and I went to the Atlanta Public Library to look at old TV Guides only to find out they weren't available at the time so I looked at Broadcasting magazine.
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Lipping off to a mod, now. This will end well.
/no, I mean it; for the rest of us, this should be a positive outcome
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'255917\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 11:00 PM\']Lipping off to a mod, now. This will end well.[/quote]
And missing the point made by another mod a week ago.
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I was not lipping off I was telling the truth and all. I am sorry I should have ignored it
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But Chris, I do promise that I will do what you direct me to do.
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The reason why I didn't do the proper link today on the December 9th issue was because I was in a hurry to get somewhere
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You can't script good comedy.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255931\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 09:31 PM\']The reason why I didn't do the proper link today on the December 9th issue was because I was in a hurry to get somewhere[/quote]
I gotta remember this one next time I screw up.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255932\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 12:36 AM\']You can't script good comedy.[/quote]
That's basically where I am right now. If Chris loses patience before me, he may pull the plug and he'll have my full support. But frankly, right now it's just kinda fun watching this play out.
BTW, I've seen the Star Cluster pilot. Among the highlights: Jm J Bullock being asked about the women he's dated. Something that bad should not have the word 'Cluster' in its title. Just invites too many ideas.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'255941\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 11:01 PM\']BTW, I've seen the Star Cluster pilot. Among the highlights: Jm J Bullock being asked about the women he's dated. Something that bad should not have the word 'Cluster' in its title. Just invites too many ideas.[/quote]Having just read the nut graf of it, I am gobsmacked that someone would greenlight this. From a nonsensical front game to your standard Dodge the Resident Nasty Avatar end game from Barry-Enright, I just can't see why I'd watch that instead of whatever else was on the air in 1986.
And "how would you describe the women you've dated? Let's turn to Jm J. Bullock!" Who books that?
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255931\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 09:31 PM\']The reason why I didn't do the proper link today on the December 9th issue was because I was in a hurry to get somewhere[/quote]
If you don't have time to post properly, then post later when you do. Come on, you're a big boy. I've seen you with your shirt off. You have hair on your chest. (See, Facebook has some usefulness.)
It's really up to your peers here. If they don't complain then we assume everybody's happy.
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Something that bad should not have the word 'Cluster' in its title. Just invites too many ideas.
"Cluster" is preferable to the word "Pig" in this context.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'255947\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 11:26 PM\']Come on, you're a big boy. I've seen you with your shirt off. You have hair on your chest. (See, Facebook has some usefulness.)[/quote]
Interesting definition of "usefulness," there. (http://\"http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/Midge626/Other/MotivatorBrainBleach2.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'255947\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 02:26 AM\']If you don't have time to post properly, then post later when you do. Come on, you're a big boy. I've seen you with your shirt off. You have hair on your chest. (See, Facebook has some usefulness.)[/quote]
And Jamey is the one with too much free time? ;-)
I'm getting annoyed that Jamey posts every time he gets a boner over anything game shows. It's relevant but it's real damn annoying, IMO. Also, the multiple replies above could've been consolidated into one post.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255892\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 09:42 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255891\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 07:32 PM\']FYI son, I happened to go out to eat with my grandmother and her siblnigs and I am going to go outside for a walk so get off my back.[/quote]
Unless you're 40 friggin' years old, you have zero right to call me "son".
Please continue your inaccurate obsession. I'm sure it's all you're gonna talk about during dinner.
[/quote]
For your information buddy, I was being accurate as I can be.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255985\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 04:36 PM\']For your information buddy, I was being accurate as I can be.[/quote]
I think the dozens of replies in which you aren't even close to the right page number says otherwise, "buddy".
Ryan Leaf was more accurate than you.
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255987\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 07:08 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255985\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 04:36 PM\']For your information buddy, I was being accurate as I can be.[/quote]
I think the dozens of replies in which you aren't even close to the right page number says otherwise, "buddy".
Ryan Leaf was more accurate than you.
[/quote]
well I did give the right page #'s thank you very much
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255987\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 03:08 PM\']Ryan Leaf was more accurate than you.[/quote]As a backer of The University of Washington's football team, I laughed heartily.
And continued shame on Jamey for Doing It Wrong and then copping the attitude after being called out.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255991\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 06:34 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255987\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 07:08 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255985\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 04:36 PM\']For your information buddy, I was being accurate as I can be.[/quote]
I think the dozens of replies in which you aren't even close to the right page number says otherwise, "buddy".
Ryan Leaf was more accurate than you.
[/quote]
well I did give the right page #'s thank you very much
[/quote]
Well... no, you didn't.
(Chris, honestly, how are you still putting up with this?)
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255991\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 06:34 PM\'](select the posting of his in this and any other threads of your choosing)[/quote]
You are The Weakest Link. Good bye. Bill Rogers, who is Revlon's next guest?
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255985\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 05:36 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255892\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 09:42 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255891\' date=\'Jan 29 2011, 07:32 PM\']FYI son, I happened to go out to eat with my grandmother and her siblnigs and I am going to go outside for a walk so get off my back.[/quote]
Unless you're 40 friggin' years old, you have zero right to call me "son".
Please continue your inaccurate obsession. I'm sure it's all you're gonna talk about during dinner.
[/quote]
For your information buddy, I was being accurate as I can be.[/quote]Well, when you don't give a page number, there's not much to get wrong.
/wishes your computer was in the audience that day (http://\"http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee469/SpdwyMediaModor/goldenroadwaah.jpg\").
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Okie Dokie Peeps, in the 2-18-1980 issue that I forgot to give a page # on last times boys and girls, On Pages 36-37 there is an ad for The Toni Tennile Show It is semi-GS Related since it was produced by Bob Eubanks, and announced by the late great Charlie O Donnell. Also on Page 40 There is a full page ad for Paramount's offerings and one of them is a Jack Narz pilot that never came to Fruition called Phrase It. It has brother Jack standing in front of his podium. Also on Page 94 there is a short description of a game show called Press Your Luck which is totally different from the PYL we know and love which was hosted by Pat Sajak before Wheel and produced by Ralph Edwards it is distributed by Columbia Pictures TV.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...0%2002%2018.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201980/BC%201980%2002%2018.pdf\")
And BTW, I was being perfectly accurate and gave the right page # on the 12-30-85 issue with the pic of the rare Banko Pilot and the Star Cluster ad. Look at the freaking magazine if you don't believe me.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255998\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 08:35 PM\']Look at the freaking magazine if you don't believe me.[/quote]
Problems. Big ones.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255998\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 08:35 PM\']Okie Dokie Peeps, in the 2-18-1980 issue that I forgot to give a page # on last times boys and girls, On PaAnd BTW, I was being perfectly accurate and gave the right page # on the 12-30-85 issue with the pic of the rare Banko Pilot and the Star Cluster ad. Look at the freaking magazine if you don't believe me.[/quote]
Jamey, please, just let it go. You being defensive every single time you get called out is doing nothing from your case. Learn from your mistakes and use them to your advantage.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255931\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 12:31 AM\']The reason why I didn't do the proper link today on the December 9th issue was because I was in a hurry to get somewhere[/quote]
Who was it that always used to use this as his excuse? Kleist?
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'256003\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255931\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 12:31 AM\']The reason why I didn't do the proper link today on the December 9th issue was because I was in a hurry to get somewhere[/quote]
Who was it that always used to use this as his excuse? Kleist?
[/quote]
But I made it up to you guys did I not?
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This is the best thread ever. This should be sticky'd.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256004\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 09:33 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'256003\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255931\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 12:31 AM\']The reason why I didn't do the proper link today on the December 9th issue was because I was in a hurry to get somewhere[/quote]
Who was it that always used to use this as his excuse? Kleist?
[/quote]
But I made it up to you guys did I not?[/quote]Hardly. You were told a week ago to quit giving inaccurate information. Of course, that's JMODO.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255985\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 05:36 PM\']For your information buddy,[/quote]
Oh SNAP!
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'256006\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 09:37 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256004\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 09:33 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'256003\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255931\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 12:31 AM\']The reason why I didn't do the proper link today on the December 9th issue was because I was in a hurry to get somewhere[/quote]
Who was it that always used to use this as his excuse? Kleist?
[/quote]
But I made it up to you guys did I not?[/quote]Hardly. You were told a week ago to quit giving inaccurate information. Of course, that's JMODO.
[/quote]
And I did just that.
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'255995\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 07:38 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255991\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 06:34 PM\'][quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'255987\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 07:08 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'255985\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 04:36 PM\']For your information buddy, I was being accurate as I can be.[/quote]
I think the dozens of replies in which you aren't even close to the right page number says otherwise, "buddy".
Ryan Leaf was more accurate than you.
[/quote]
well I did give the right page #'s thank you very much
[/quote]
Well... no, you didn't.
I did too. If you are going to sue me for slander shoot I will show the page numbers and shove them in your face. Ha!
(Chris, honestly, how are you still putting up with this?)
[/quote]
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256008\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 09:51 PM\']And I did just that.[/quote]
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You encored of all that other text for a five-word "comeback"?!? Go. Now. Please.
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Ok, I admit that I did not give the right link and I forgot to give the page numbers again for the right link for those of you too dang lazy to check again. And I am sorry for that folk. If you are holding it against me, Again, I am sorry. But as god as my witness I gave the right page numbers for the Banko pic and the Star Cluster ad. Honest to god.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256012\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:05 PM\']for the right link for those of you too dang lazy to check again.[/quote]Still playing that card, eh? This won't end well.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'256013\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:07 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256012\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:05 PM\']for the right link for those of you too dang lazy to check again.[/quote]Still playing that card, eh? This won't end well.
[/quote]
Yes, it will. Just not for him.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256012\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:05 PM\']for those of you too dang lazy to check again[/quote]
Matt and Chris, if you wish to banish me, I will understand and not protest your decision, but I must be true:
This chap is a freakin' idiot. And utterly clueless as well.
(You'll please note, dear ones, this is a rare instance of me stepping into the middle of one of these things, but this fellow's brain power is DOA).
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'256010\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 09:55 PM\']You encored of all that other text for a five-word "comeback"?!?[/quote]
In all fairness, there is a second reply, but it got stuck in with the second gigundakiller quote.
...actually, that doesn't make him sound any better than before. :-)
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256012\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 11:05 PM\']But as god as my witness I gave the right page numbers for the Banko pic and the Star Cluster ad. Honest to god.[/quote]
I believe you, friend. And don't pay attention to the haters. They're just jealous of your spelling and grammar skills.
Now when you're done going through all the back issues of B & C, I'm going to need you to go through the Yellow Pages and identify all the ads that contain 800 numbers. Thanks.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'256017\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:12 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'256010\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 09:55 PM\']You encored of all that other text for a five-word "comeback"?!?[/quote]
In all fairness, there is a second reply, but it got stuck in with the second gigundakiller quote.[/quote]
Ah, so he did. Thanks, Steve. What's "slander shoot" mean?
[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'256018\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:14 PM\']when you're done going through all the back issues of B & C, I'm going to need you to go through the Yellow Pages and identify all the ads that contain 800 numbers.[/quote]
And be sure to get the page numbers right.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'256018\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 11:14 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256012\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 11:05 PM\']But as god as my witness I gave the right page numbers for the Banko pic and the Star Cluster ad. Honest to god.[/quote]
I believe you, friend. And don't pay attention to the haters. They're just jealous of your spelling and grammar skills.
Now when you're done going through all the back issues of B & C, I'm going to need you to go through the Yellow Pages and identify all the ads that contain 800 numbers. Thanks.
[/quote]
Oh I know how to spell real well. I just press the wrong key on the keyboard sometimes. And Don Howard, you are an old fart! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
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OK, I was just waiting for him to call Don an old fart. Game over.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'256021\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 10:27 PM\']OK, I was just waiting for him to call Don an old fart. Game over.[/quote]
Told me off good, didn't he, General? Time to take my Geritol. Good night, everybody.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'256018\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 09:14 PM\']I believe you, friend. And don't pay attention to the haters. They're just jealous of your spelling and grammar skills.
Now when you're done going through all the back issues of B & C, I'm going to need you to go through the Yellow Pages and identify all the ads that contain 800 numbers. Thanks.[/quote]
You win the thread. I lol'd hard :)
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'256018\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 07:14 PM\']Now when you're done going through all the back issues of B & C, I'm going to need you to go through the Yellow Pages and identify all the ads that contain 800 numbers. Thanks.[/quote]Only after he circles the 976s for me. Then you can have him do whatever. :)
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So, I'm assuming Mr. Greek is now on mod status?
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'256032\' date=\'Jan 30 2011, 11:40 PM\']So, I'm assuming Mr. Greek is now on mod status?[/quote]
Yup. Anything new from him in this thread (or any other) is something that we find accurate and/or interesting.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'256033\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 12:04 AM\']Yup. Anything new from him in this thread (or any other) is something that we find accurate and/or interesting.[/quote]
In that case, I look forward to more of Jamey's "interesting" posts.
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Alright here is a rarity that you guys will love Deception Page 4
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2001%2009.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2001%2009.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256095\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 07:55 PM\']Alright here is a rarity that you guys will love Deception Page 4
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2001%2009.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2001%2009.pdf\")[/quote]
Mike Burger and I have a running tally of who's done more unsold pilots, Jim Peck or Jim MacKrell. This is one I don't think we had in Peck's column.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'256108\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 11:13 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256095\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 07:55 PM\']Alright here is a rarity that you guys will love Deception Page 4
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2001%2009.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2001%2009.pdf\")[/quote]
Mike Burger and I have a running tally of who's done more unsold pilots, Jim Peck or Jim MacKrell. This is one I don't think we had in Peck's column.
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Also in that same issue, on pages 12-13, is an ad for The New High Rollers, including a screengrab of Alex's version.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256095\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 08:55 PM\']Alright here is a rarity that you guys will love Deception Page 4
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2001%2009.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2001%2009.pdf\")[/quote]
Now, Was Jim subbing for Jack Barry at the time, being groomed to succeed him when he retired? Now, I wonder how could he host a pilot for a game show when he was being groomed to succeed Jack? It's like fixing a PB&J when you are going out to dinner later on.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256116\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 11:36 PM\']Now, Was Jim subbing for Jack Barry at the time, being groomed to succeed him when he retired? Now, I wonder how could he host a pilot for a game show when he was being groomed to succeed Jack? It's like fixing a PB&J when you are going out to dinner later on.[/quote]
I don't think anybody here knows what was going on in Jim Peck's mind, but it's possible he saw his fill-in stint on Joker to be just that, and he wanted to keep as many irons in the fire as possible.
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Ok, In the 1-6-86 issue for Broadcasting, On Page 3 there is an ad for Hollywood Reporter, I know it's not a game show, but it was hosted by Peter Tomarken and has Meredith MacRae as a special correspondent. Now Meredith MacRae hosted the $50k a Minute pilot with Geoff Edwards. As you all know, also on Page 123, there is a full page ad for Star Cluster, On Pages 128-129 there is a full page ad for the syndicated $otc, Also, Pages 152-153 back-to-back ads for the unsold pilot of NYSI 1986, As well as Card Sharks. And finally, on Pages 156-157 there is a full page ad for Banko! The unsold Wink Martindale Pilot produced by Barry and Enright productions with a pic of the Banko Pilot on the TV.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-06.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-06.pdf\")
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OK, in this article Networks Running Neck and Neck and Shoulder to Shoulder in Daytime On Page 32 There are some game show Pilots that ABC was considering: Comedy Club from Lin Bolen, Bamboozle from Chuck Barris, and Catch Phrase from Marty Pasetta. Yup, amazing that ABC was considering running Catch Phrase for a network run. Other game shows in early development are a game show version of "A Question of Scruples" from Coulmbia Television and Funny Business from Group W.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-07-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-07-14.pdf\")
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Look at Page 75 in the 1-13-86 issue!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-13.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-13.pdf\")
If you want to know what it is Hint: Love Me Love Me Not was considered for syndication before it landed on USA.
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'256114\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 11:34 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'256108\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 11:13 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256095\' date=\'Jan 31 2011, 07:55 PM\']Alright here is a rarity that you guys will love Deception Page 4
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...4%2001%2009.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2001%2009.pdf\")[/quote]
Mike Burger and I have a running tally of who's done more unsold pilots, Jim Peck or Jim MacKrell. This is one I don't think we had in Peck's column.
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Also in that same issue, on pages 12-13, is an ad for The New High Rollers, including a screengrab of Alex's version.
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There's also ads for The All-New LMaD (p. 40-41) and Anything for Money (p. 44).
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Also in the 1/13/86 issue on Page 155 is an ad for Star Cluster with the whole set.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-13.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-13.pdf\")
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Also on Page 195 on the 1/13/86 issue. There is talk of Reg Grundy producing a pilot called MatchMates by Reg Grundy, As well as Chuck Barris producing Family Game for CBS, Guessing Game with Woody Fraser for ABC, and Comedy Courtroom for NBC.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-13.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-13.pdf\")
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OK in the 06-16-1986 issue of Broadcasting there are game shows mentioned to replace Family Ties reuns in January of 1987. They Include: Oddball from Mark Goodson, the aforementioned Comedy Court from Chuck Barris, Buzzwords from Merv Griffin (which of course the theme song to that pilot became a prize cue on Wheel in the late 80s as well as the theme song to Merv Griffin's Crosswords), Second Guess from Marty Pasetta Productions, (hosted by Alex Trebek), and Bogus from Jay Wolpert Productions.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-06-16.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256549\' date=\'Feb 6 2011, 10:47 PM\']Look at Page 75 in the 1-13-86 issue!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-13.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-13.pdf\")
If you want to know what it is Hint: Love Me Love Me Not was considered for syndication before it landed on USA.[/quote]
And on 88-89, there's an ad for Davidson Squares.
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'256700\' date=\'Feb 8 2011, 08:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256549\' date=\'Feb 6 2011, 10:47 PM\']Look at Page 75 in the 1-13-86 issue!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-13.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-13.pdf\")
If you want to know what it is Hint: Love Me Love Me Not was considered for syndication before it landed on USA.[/quote]
And on 88-89, there's an ad for Davidson Squares.
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And on 24-25, there's one for an unsold B&E pilot, Banko, which would've been hosted by Wink Martindale...additionally, page 81 has an ad for King World's shows which mentions that both Headline Chasers and The Merv Griffin Show would be returning for the 86-87 season...in reality, Merv would be gone about 2 months into the new season, while HC didn't return at all.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256694\' date=\'Feb 8 2011, 04:21 PM\']OK in the 06-16-1986 issue of Broadcasting there are game shows mentioned to replace Family Ties reuns in January of 1987. They Include: Oddball from Mark Goodson, the aforementioned Comedy Court from Chuck Barris, Buzzwords from Merv Griffin (which of course the theme song to that pilot became a prize cue on Wheel in the late 80s as well as the theme song to Merv Griffin's Crosswords), Second Guess from Marty Pasetta Productions, (hosted by Alex Trebek), and Bogus from Jay Wolpert Productions.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-06-16.pdf\")[/quote]
On...what....pages.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'256717\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 03:06 AM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256694\' date=\'Feb 8 2011, 04:21 PM\']OK in the 06-16-1986 issue of Broadcasting there are game shows mentioned to replace Family Ties reuns in January of 1987. They Include: Oddball from Mark Goodson, the aforementioned Comedy Court from Chuck Barris, Buzzwords from Merv Griffin (which of course the theme song to that pilot became a prize cue on Wheel in the late 80s as well as the theme song to Merv Griffin's Crosswords), Second Guess from Marty Pasetta Productions, (hosted by Alex Trebek), and Bogus from Jay Wolpert Productions.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-06-16.pdf\")[/quote]
On...what....pages.
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If you weren't so darned lazy, you'd have looked it up yourself and had your answer by now. ;)
Even an old fart like me was able to figure that out.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'256717\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 04:06 AM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256694\' date=\'Feb 8 2011, 04:21 PM\']OK in the 06-16-1986 issue of Broadcasting there are game shows mentioned to replace Family Ties reuns in January of 1987. They Include: Oddball from Mark Goodson, the aforementioned Comedy Court from Chuck Barris, Buzzwords from Merv Griffin (which of course the theme song to that pilot became a prize cue on Wheel in the late 80s as well as the theme song to Merv Griffin's Crosswords), Second Guess from Marty Pasetta Productions, (hosted by Alex Trebek), and Bogus from Jay Wolpert Productions.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-06-16.pdf\")[/quote]
On...what....pages.
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61-62 Chris! Sorry I wasn't helpful and I forgot!
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256728\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 08:29 AM\']61-62 Chris! Sorry I wasn't helpful and I forgot![/quote]February 15, 2011 @ 8:42 PM is the next time it happens. Over/Under, gang?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'256764\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 03:28 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256728\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 08:29 AM\']61-62 Chris! Sorry I wasn't helpful and I forgot![/quote]February 15, 2011 @ 8:42 PM is the next time it happens. Over/Under, gang?[/quote]
Another way of looking at this is that Jamey's posts have gotten dramatically better, he's providing access to a lot of interesting information (especially to pilot fans like myself) and when he makes an omissive mistake, he's owning up to it, apologizing and correcting the record, rather than blaming us for being lazy. I am perfectly satisfied with that.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'256767\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 12:35 PM\']and when he makes an omissive mistake, he's owning up to it, apologizing and correcting the record, rather than blaming us for being lazy. I am perfectly satisfied with that.[/quote]
As ever, it's your sandbox. The vibe I had before was that the management had decided that a (correct) link and page number, from the outset, weren't too much to ask.
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf\")
On pages 16 and 17 is an ad for the David Sparks version of "Cross-Wits".
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[quote name=\'GSRebich\' post=\'256773\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 05:19 PM\']http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf\")
On pages 16 and 17 is an ad for the David Sparks version of "Cross-Wits".[/quote]
I also saw an ad for the Bill Rafferty version of "Card Sharks" on pages 44 and 45
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Page 35 a sharp Star Cluster ad!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-27.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-27.pdf\")
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I wonder if Mike Burger has more info on that Banko pilot. I'm intrigued as to how it could've been pulled off.
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Good to see a picture of Star Cluster, even if it's just a close-up of Jm J. Bullock.
Now, when they say "All-New, All-Celebrity Comedy Game Strip", do they mean non-revival? Hollywood Squares had already been announced for fall-1986.
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'256804\' date=\'Feb 10 2011, 12:14 AM\']I wonder if Mike Burger has more info on that Banko pilot. I'm intrigued as to how it could've been pulled off.[/quote]
It's your typical we're going to play bingo on the screen while you play at home game. It has been tried before and tried after. Despite the dollar figures bandied about, the pilot screamed cheap and the payouts unsustainable.
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Ad for Goen Perfect Match pages 1-2 in this issue!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-03-17.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-03-17.pdf\")
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On Pages 63-64 there are ads for All-american Bingo and Banko!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-03-17.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-03-17.pdf\")
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Well I'll be darned on Page 67 of the 03/17/1986 issue there is a color ad for Star Clusters!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-03-17.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-03-17.pdf\")
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Wrong on both counts. 60-61 is Banko, 63 is Star Clusters, & 66-67 is $100K Pyramid.
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'256855\' date=\'Feb 10 2011, 04:05 PM\']Wrong on both counts. 60-61 is Banko, 63 is Star Clusters, & 66-67 is $100K Pyramid.[/quote]
Magazine page numbers don't always coincide with the scan numbers.
We can stop playing "Gotcha, Jamey!" now.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'256857\' date=\'Feb 10 2011, 04:09 PM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'256855\' date=\'Feb 10 2011, 04:05 PM\']Wrong on both counts. 60-61 is Banko, 63 is Star Clusters, & 66-67 is $100K Pyramid.[/quote]
Magazine page numbers don't always coincide with the scan numbers.
We can stop playing "Gotcha, Jamey!" now.
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yes and the guy was missing some pages in the mag.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256784\' date=\'Feb 9 2011, 07:10 PM\']Page 35 a sharp Star Cluster ad!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-27.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-27.pdf\")[/quote]
There's also an ad for "Strike It Rich" on page 8 and I think it looks it's from an unaired pilot.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256853\' date=\'Feb 10 2011, 12:23 PM\']On Pages 63-64 there are ads for All-american Bingo and Banko!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-03-17.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-03-17.pdf\")[/quote]
Before anyone harps on Jamey here: he got it right. The numbering on this PDF is borked, but it was indeed pages 63 and 64 of the print version. It's 59-60-61 of the PDF.
So all props to Jamey for the effort.
EDIT: Dammit, too late.
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On Page 19 on 3/24/1986 there is an ad for Rafferty Card Sharks
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-03-24.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-03-24.pdf\")
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Page two of the March 24, 1986 edition has an ad parodying the "You may have already won Ten Million Dollars!" thing from PCH, except as an ad for Strike It Rich, with Baseball's Own Joe Garagiola. Did I misread, or was the implication that the show would be offering a million dollars in prizes on air, or through an audience game? Because I would be completely unsurprised to find another game show from that time period going to pilot with high stakes, and then being played for markedly less.
And in looking through that one issue, I was unable to make out the page numbers since to read an entire page I needed to shrink the PDFs to 50%. So even if Jamey does give the correct page number, I wouldn't have any idea where that was, because they don't line up. (But I would also say that if the intent is "I found something interesting! Here's where you find it," as much specific information as possible is appreciated.)
I can see how some people could waste a bunch of time on this, but I've had my fill for the time being.
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Article on Page 149 04-07-1986 issue about Chuck Barris suing Lorimar-Telepictures over Perfect Match being similar to TNG.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-04-07.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-04-07.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256546\' date=\'Feb 6 2011, 10:24 PM\']OK, in this article Networks Running Neck and Neck and Shoulder to Shoulder in Daytime On Page 32 There are some game show Pilots that ABC was considering: Comedy Club from Lin Bolen, Bamboozle from Chuck Barris, and Catch Phrase from Marty Pasetta. Yup, amazing that ABC was considering running Catch Phrase for a network run. Other game shows in early development are a game show version of "A Question of Scruples" from Coulmbia Television and Funny Business from Group W.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-07-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-07-14.pdf\")[/quote]
Also, Didn't Sunbow Productions tried to make a game show out of Scruples in 1991?
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-12-01.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-01.pdf\")
Found a Split Second ad on pages 40-41.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-12-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-08.pdf\")
Found a High Rollers ad on pages 15-17.
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'257111\' date=\'Feb 13 2011, 07:55 PM\']http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-12-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-08.pdf\")
Found a High Rollers ad on pages 15-17.[/quote]
There's also an ad for Win Lose or Draw on pages 36-37... nine months before the start of production (that fact is actually mentioned in the ad). Bert Convy is listed as an already-booked celebrity guest and no potential host is mentioned at all.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256546\' date=\'Feb 6 2011, 09:24 PM\']OK, in this article Networks Running Neck and Neck and Shoulder to Shoulder in Daytime On Page 32 There are some game show Pilots that ABC was considering: Comedy Club from Lin Bolen, Bamboozle from Chuck Barris, and Catch Phrase from Marty Pasetta. Yup, amazing that ABC was considering running Catch Phrase for a network run. Other game shows in early development are a game show version of "A Question of Scruples" from Coulmbia Television and Funny Business from Group W.[/quote]
That's a very interesting list. A lot of us have seen Bamboozle (http://\"http://www.usgameshows.net/x.php?show=Bamboozle&sort=0\"), which was basically a TTTT rip-off. Comedy Club (http://\"http://www.usgameshows.net/x.php?show=ComedyClub&sort=0\") was a flimsy game built around some up-and-coming young comics. The only one that went anywhere was Brad Garrett. I don't know what version of Catch Phrase Pasetta was pushing in 1986, but the following year he had reworked it into something involving a roulette wheel and called it, imaginatively, Puzzle Roulette. By 1989 it was back to being more like the original format, and was called -- even more imaginatively -- The Puzzle Game.
As for the others, Mike Burger lays out the evidence of a Scruples (http://\"http://www.usgameshows.net/x.php?show=QuestionOfScruples&sort=0\") pilot from around that era, but there may have been multiple efforts. As for Funny Business, Group W went to pilot with a show called Tricky Business in the summer of 1986. It was an update of a favorite of mine, Every Second Counts, which had only been off the market for a year or so.
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In this issue here there is an ad for MatchMaker on Page 51
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-04-28.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-04-28.pdf\")
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In pages 50-51 this ad for NBC's 60th Anniversary includes Ralph Edwards, Gene Rayburn, and Peter Marshall. Also, Carl Reiner who hosted the 1983 special Those Wonderful TV Game Shows.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-05-05.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-05-05.pdf\")
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'257114\' date=\'Feb 13 2011, 08:44 PM\'][quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'257111\' date=\'Feb 13 2011, 07:55 PM\']http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-12-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-08.pdf\")
Found a High Rollers ad on pages 15-17.[/quote]
There's also an ad for Win Lose or Draw on pages 36-37... nine months before the start of production (that fact is actually mentioned in the ad). Bert Convy is listed as an already-booked celebrity guest and no potential host is mentioned at all.
[/quote]
Wee, I wonder if they made a mistake in the ad or if someone else was considered for WLOD.
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[quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'257220\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 12:47 PM\']Wee, I wonder if they made a mistake in the ad or if someone else was considered for WLOD.[/quote]
I think Peter Marshall wrote in his autobiography that he was the original choice, but there was some kind of last-minute scuffle, and Convy ended up hosting.
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[quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'257234\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 01:16 PM\']I think Peter Marshall wrote in his autobiography that he was the original choice, but there was some kind of last-minute scuffle, and Convy ended up hosting.[/quote]
That was for Third Degree, I thought.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'257236\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 04:21 PM\'][quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'257234\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 01:16 PM\']I think Peter Marshall wrote in his autobiography that he was the original choice, but there was some kind of last-minute scuffle, and Convy ended up hosting.[/quote]
That was for Third Degree, I thought.
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Yes. But Peter also maintains that he was offered "Win Lose or Draw" and said no because he didn't think the show would last.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'257236\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 04:21 PM\'][quote name=\'TheLastResort\' post=\'257234\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 01:16 PM\']I think Peter Marshall wrote in his autobiography that he was the original choice, but there was some kind of last-minute scuffle, and Convy ended up hosting.[/quote]
That was for Third Degree, I thought.
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I forget if it was in his book or in an interview with Professor Stosh that he was offered the hosting job on WLOD but turned it down because he didn't feel as though the show "had legs". Curiously, later on, he felt as though Yahtzee and The Reel To Reel Picture Show did have legs.
But, yes, Chris, he hosted the pilot for 3rd Degree and was bumped so Bert could host it himself.
(Sorry, Adam, I was typing as you were posting.)
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' post=\'257238\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 02:00 PM\']Yes. But Peter also maintains that he was offered "Win Lose or Draw" and said no because he didn't think the show would last.[/quote]
Fair 'nough. Been a while since I've read it. :)
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That's right, it was Third Degree. I need to buy that Marshall book.
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I forget if it was in his book or in an interview with Professor Stosh that he was offered the hosting job on WLOD but turned it down because he didn't feel as though the show "had legs". Curiously, later on, he felt as though Yahtzee and The Reel To Reel Picture Show did have legs.
Is offended by your comments (http://images.wikia.com/familyguy/images/9/9c/190px-Joe_Swanson.png).
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'257240\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 05:03 PM\']I forget if it was in his book or in an interview with Professor Stosh that he was offered the hosting job on WLOD but turned it down because he didn't feel as though the show "had legs". Curiously, later on, he felt as though Yahtzee and The Reel To Reel Picture Show did have legs.[/quote]
What is leg? (http://\"http://video.yahoo.com/watch/8741558/24200189\")
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'257240\' date=\'Feb 15 2011, 05:03 PM\']I forget if it was in his book or in an interview with Professor Stosh that he was offered the hosting job on WLOD but turned it down because he didn't feel as though the show "had legs".[/quote]
If Markie Post had hosted WLOD, it would have definitely had legs.
Just thought it needed to be said. Back to your regularly scheduled program.
Brendan
P.S. Off topic slightly, but does anyone know if Markie was ever offered a hosting gig? I always thought she was one of gameshowdom's best, most personable players and one of the smartest people in the industry. I think she would have made a great host.
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[quote name=\'pyrfan\' post=\'257284\' date=\'Feb 16 2011, 01:58 AM\']P.S. Off topic slightly, but does anyone know if Markie was ever offered a hosting gig? I always thought she was one of gameshowdom's best, most personable players and one of the smartest people in the industry. I think she would have made a great host.[/quote]
You know, I wouldn't have ever given it a thought otherwise but now that it's been brought up I agree completely. I can actually see her doing Just Men! had Betty turned it down as she originally intended.
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'256700\' date=\'Feb 8 2011, 08:56 PM\'][quote name=\'Jamey Greek\' post=\'256549\' date=\'Feb 6 2011, 10:47 PM\']Look at Page 75 in the 1-13-86 issue!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-01-13.pdf (http://\"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-01-13.pdf\")
If you want to know what it is Hint: Love Me Love Me Not was considered for syndication before it landed on USA.[/quote]
And on 88-89, there's an ad for Davidson Squares.
[/quote]
Is that the one where John Davidson's hand obscures Burt Reynolds' participation in the pilot?
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'257295\' date=\'Feb 16 2011, 01:10 PM\']Is that the one where John Davidson's hand obscures Burt Reynolds' participation...?[/quote]I believe you're thinking of a poor selling double Cosmopolitan issue.
/"Participation," that's a new euphemism...
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OK in the 06-16-1986 issue of Broadcasting there are game shows mentioned to replace Family Ties reuns in January of 1987. They Include: Oddball from Mark Goodson, the aforementioned Comedy Court from Chuck Barris, Buzzwords from Merv Griffin (which of course the theme song to that pilot became a prize cue on Wheel in the late 80s as well as the theme song to Merv Griffin's Crosswords), Second Guess from Marty Pasetta Productions, (hosted by Alex Trebek), and Bogus from Jay Wolpert Productions.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-06-16.pdf")
One thing I forgot to mention was that CBN had a game show called Mix N' Match in same issue. Page 75 (67)
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-06-16.pdf
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201984/BC%201984%2001%2002.pdf - PDF page 15 shows an ad, for a Barry & Enright show called Interactor.
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Page 83 a pic of The $25,000 Pyramid celebrating their 1,000th episode!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-08-04.pdf
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Fun for the Money was tried again Fall 1987 Page 3!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-10-20.pdf
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Fun for the Money was tried again Fall 1987 Page 3!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-10-20.pdf
or in their terms Page 4
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Fun for the Money was tried again Fall 1987 Page 3!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-10-20.pdf
or in their terms Page 4
Page 50 has a blurb about the show, including a brief description of the format.
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Fun for the Money was tried again Fall 1987 Page 3!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-10-20.pdf
or in their terms Page 4
Page 50 has a blurb about the show, including a brief description of the format.
And It's Kinda Like Wetten Dass (from Germany) or Wanna Bet with Ant and Dec (from the USA) or You Bet (from the UK)!, and speaking of that Wetten Dass? finally made it to america in 1993 but not for Civilians as Contestants but for Celebrities as Contestants!
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On Page 35 There is Dick Clark standing in front of a #1 with 20th Television boasting about $100k Pyramid being #1 in a few markets
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-11-24.pdf
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At one point last year, someone posted a 3-5 minute clip on Youtube, but it's been since taken down.
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Anyone know who was the announcer on the Fun for the Money pilot?
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Page 74 in the 12-22-86 issue there is an article about the Home Shopping Game.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-22.pdf
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Also in the aforementioned 12-22 issue is an ad for the unsold game show Secrets and Rumors with Harvey Korman. Page 32-33
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-22.pdf
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Page 74 in the 12-22-86 issue there is an article about the Home Shopping Game.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-22.pdf
yeah, as someone who has just a tiny bit of insight into how that all worked out, allow me to just say: "LOL"
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Page 74 in the 12-22-86 issue there is an article about the Home Shopping Game.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-12-22.pdf
yeah, as someone who has just a tiny bit of insight into how that all worked out, allow me to just say: "LOL"
and it says that Dean Goss is the pilot host. Now, we all know him as the voice of many shows. He mentioned that he hosted the pilot on David Hammond's game show talk and fun. Also, he was going to host LMAD Stefan and Monty wanted him to host it but Telepictures said no.
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Page 35 there is an ad for Home Shopping Game and in pages 20-21 according to the issue there is an ad heralding Coca-Cola Telecommunications offerings two of them include Card Sharks and Match Game. Hey, imagine if they ever came about. GSN would have had the rights to those during the dark period!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-05.pdf
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Page 190 in the same issue is an ad for a show called Late Night Lotto with Michael Burger as host and Produced by Reg Grundy
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-05.pdf
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In this issue Pages 86-87 there is a full page ad for Split Second also, In Pages 5-6 there is a full page ad for $1M COAL. Saying it is already renewed for the 1987-1988 season,
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-12.pdf
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Pages 94-95 in the same issue there is an ad for Home Shopping Game and in Page 96 a short ad for Secrets and Rumors an unsold pilot with Harvey Korman distributed by Twentieth Television
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-12.pdf
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Well I'll be darned! I just saw a full page ad for Secrets and Rumors on Page 124!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-12.pdf
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Pages 7-8 there is an ad for Trivial Pursuit being sold for Fall 1987, Jay Wolpert's version distributed by Worldvision.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-19.pdf
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Instead of flooding the thread with every single ad you find, can you just make these in ONE post, seeing as how they're, for the most part, from the same issue? At the very least, go through the issue first, then post what you find.
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Page 11, There is an ad for Home Shopping Game, as well as on 12-13 there is an ad for Secrets and Rumors with a picture of gameplay!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-03-02.pdf
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Pages 7-8 there is an ad for Trivial Pursuit being sold for Fall 1987, Jay Wolpert's version distributed by Worldvision.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-19.pdf
Pages 108-09 has an ad for the 1987 revival of "Match Game" that never made it to television.
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Page 245 has an ad for 4 Entertainment Network shows: 1 of them being "The New Dream House" that didn't made it to syndication.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-19.pdf
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Pages 7-8 there is an ad for Trivial Pursuit being sold for Fall 1987, Jay Wolpert's version distributed by Worldvision.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-19.pdf
Pages 108-09 has an ad for the 1987 revival of "Match Game" that never made it to television.
I was going to get to that but I did not want to bombard you guys. I forgot about that. But of course I mentioned the ad of Coca-Cola Telecommunicatons offerings among those are The New Match Game and Card Sharks.
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There are four ads of interest in this issue:
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-11-30.pdf
Pages 19-21: An unsold Trivial Pursuit pilot, complete with a picture of the set.
Pages 40-41: The syndicated version of Ray Combs' Family Feud.
Pages 87 & 89: Love Connection.
Page 95: An unsold pilot for a Queen For A Day revival.
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Pages 19-21: An unsold Trivial Pursuit pilot, complete with a picture of the set.
Can't tell who the host is supposed to be or if he's just some guy added in for effect.
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Pages 40-41: The syndicated version of Ray Combs' Family Feud.
The picture is from Ray's pilot, with slightly different family podiums, and the Ferranti-Packard logo not yet updated from the Dawson version. Per other posts on this board, Ray's name was on the board at the top of the show on a similar cover to the blue opening logo, and the sepia effect on the family poses was used (eventually seen on air in the waning years of his tenure).
Pages 19-21: An unsold Trivial Pursuit pilot, complete with a picture of the set.
Can't tell who the host is supposed to be or if he's just some guy added in for effect.
Again, per older posts, the man's name is Steve Morris.
-Jason
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There are four ads of interest in this issue:
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-11-30.pdf
Pages 19-21: An unsold Trivial Pursuit pilot, complete with a picture of the set.
Pages 40-41: The syndicated version of Ray Combs' Family Feud.
Pages 87 & 89: Love Connection.
Page 95: An unsold pilot for a Queen For A Day revival.
And Page 6 has an ad for The New Liar's Club, Pages 12-13 has an ad for the syndicated Double Dare, and Pages 15-17 has an ad for the syndicated Win, Lose, or Draw with DuckTales.
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... Pages 15-17 has an ad for the syndicated Win, Lose, or Draw with DuckTales.
Duck Tales? I thought Convy hosted WLoD. Or was that just a nickname he had...?
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... Pages 15-17 has an ad for the syndicated Win, Lose, or Draw with DuckTales.
Duck Tales? I thought Convy hosted WLoD. Or was that just a nickname he had...?
When I met DuckTales, I met the Disney cartoon show: DuckTales, there's an ad for both shows on pages 15-17.
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... Pages 15-17 has an ad for the syndicated Win, Lose, or Draw with DuckTales.
Duck Tales? I thought Convy hosted WLoD. Or was that just a nickname he had...?
I lol'd.
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... Pages 15-17 has an ad for the syndicated Win, Lose, or Draw with DuckTales.
Duck Tales? I thought Convy hosted WLoD. Or was that just a nickname he had...?
When I met DuckTales, I met the Disney cartoon show: DuckTales, there's an ad for both shows on pages 15-17.
Correct; by the way, as it says in the ad(which i''ve taken a look at already) WLoD and Duck Tales were both distributed by Buena Vista Television, who if i'm not mistaken also distributed The Challengers with Dick Clark(someone can correct me if i'm wrong on that).
Slightly OT: Speaking of Ducktales, that show was the first of what would later be part of the The Disney Afternoon block to premiere in syndication(the Disney Afternoon block itself debuted in 1990); Gummi Bears was on NBC for a few years and then went to ABC and then became a part of the the Disney Afternoon in Fall 1990, Chip N' Dale Rescue Rangers was the second show from Disney to launch in first run syndication and then go to the Disney Afternoon block.
Rescue Rangers launched in Fall 1989 by the way; I know it's not related to game shows, but it's an interesting tidbit on Syndicated TV history nonetheless.
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One thing i've been interested in since I started reading these broadcasting magazines with the game show ads is if any stations picked up these unsold shows when they were in the pilot stages(the syndicated shows of course). Or if any stations were committed to these shows or signed to carry them when they were pulled from distribution, or when it was decided that the show(whatever show it was) wouldn't premiere in a certain year, or wouldn't premiere at all.
Like the Peter Tomarken Monopoly for instance, I wouldn't mind knowing if any stations picked up that show or committed to that show when it was pitched; another couple shows I think would be interesting to find out if any stations were committed to picking them up when they were pitched are some of the late 80s shows, like the unsold revivial of Gambit, or Name That Tune with Peter Allen, or that Late Night Lotto show.
I would imagine quite a few stations would want to pick up the last show listed because of its possible time slot(8 PM or 11 PM local time) and the fact it could have been a decent alternative to Carson or whatever was on CBS or ABC at that time of night, or the FOX show with Joan Rivers(believe me I would rather have watched Card Sharks 2001 then a talk show with Joan Rivers, ugh).
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Pages 12-13 there are pictures of the Trivial Pursuit pilot and of gameplay!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-03-30.pdf
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In Page 86 of this issue, there is talk about the following game shows offered for Fall 1988: Family Feud, Monopoly, Yahtzee, Double Up It is a Dick Clark Production involving married couples competing for $10k, Also they talk about a game show hosted by Kenny Rogers and similar to Win Lose or Draw.
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In Page 86 of this issue, there is talk about the following game shows offered for Fall 1988: Family Feud, Monopoly, Yahtzee, Double Up It is a Dick Clark Production involving married couples competing for $10k, Also they talk about a game show hosted by Kenny Rogers and similar to Win Lose or Draw.
Link?
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Link?
Just ignore him, It's not worth the headache.
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In Page 86 of this issue, there is talk about the following game shows offered for Fall 1988: Family Feud, Monopoly, Yahtzee, Double Up It is a Dick Clark Production involving married couples competing for $10k, Also they talk about a game show hosted by Kenny Rogers and similar to Win Lose or Draw.
Link?
woops! I forgot the link!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-08-17.pdf
Whoomp! There it is!
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In Page 86 of this issue, there is talk about the following game shows offered for Fall 1988: Family Feud, Monopoly, Yahtzee, Double Up It is a Dick Clark Production involving married couples competing for $10k, Also they talk about a game show hosted by Kenny Rogers and similar to Win Lose or Draw.
There's the link now
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-08-17.pdf
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In this issue, there is an article on Wheel Page 54 talking about the changes they are making from 1987
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-09-28.pdf
talking about the all-cash format and stuff
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Page 29, There is an ad for a Chuck Barris game show called The Vaudeville Game Distributed by Coca-Cola Telecommunications
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-11-02.pdf
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Page 27 there is an ad for Triple Threat
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-11-09.pdf
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I forgot to mention that in Page 83 in Broadcasting's Syndication Marketplace in the same issue there is news for a show called Who's Baby? Distributed by D.L Taffner Syndication produced by Mark Maxwell Smith. As well as a show called Eavesdroppers produced by Wink Martindale and hosted by Tom Kennedy.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-11-09.pdf
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On Pages 7, and 9 there is an ad for Blackout. Kinda strange ya know. But it says that it's from the creator of Trivial Pursuit. Now we know that never came about.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-12-28.pdf
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Pages 64-65 has an ad for "Wipeout".
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-11-09.pdf
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In Page 7 of this 02-08-1988 issue, there is talk about Regis hosting a game show for lifetime!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-02-08.pdf
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Page 55 an ad for Who's Baby?
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-02-08.pdf
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Page 139 in this issue is an ad for Teletrib it looks like High Rollers was switching distributors for the second season.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-02-22.pdf
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There is an article about Pat Sajak in the 03-14 Broadcasting Issue Pat Sajak: On A Roll 48-51
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-03-14.pdf
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03-21-1988 an ad heralding "An Hour of Power" for Double Dare and Finders Keepers!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-03-21.pdf
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On Pages 101-102, 04-11-1988 issue there is an article about game shows and they say that Trivial Pursuit would most likely not make it. Of course it never made it to air.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-04-11.pdf
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-04-18.pdf
Page 53, ad for Triple Threat a firm go!
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An ad for Third Degree Pages 2-3
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-12-05.pdf
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Also in Page 27 is an ad for Star Play.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-12-05.pdf
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From the 12-19-1988 issue there is an article about Dan Enright
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-12-19.pdf
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And here is where I go into my Game Show Forum account and "Un-Follow" this thread..Should have done so long ago..
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And here is where I go into my Game Show Forum account and "Un-Follow" this thread..Should have done so long ago...
I guess I didnt have to go into my account..Love the new version of the board!
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On Page 43 there is an article about a game show that MGM/UA was doing called Hotline. Anyone ever heard of that pilot?
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-12-26.pdf
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On Page 43 there is an article about a game show that MGM/UA was doing called Hotline. Anyone ever heard of that pilot?
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-12-26.pdf
IIRC, Jim Peck hosted it. There were trade ads. Hopefully the 89 NATPE issue will be online eventually
so you can see how it was to be marketed.
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Page 17, also has an ad for "Talk About".
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-12-05.pdf
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on Pages 8 and 10 there is an ad for Trump Card, also semi-OT on Page 6, there is talk of Rich Fields hosting a nationally-syndicated radio show
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201989/BC-1989-11-06.pdf
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On pages 7, 8, and 9 in this issue there is an ad for Monopoly
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201989/BC-1989-11-20.pdf
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Pages 16 and 17 has an ad for the Pat Finn version of "The Joker's Wild" with photos from what I believe is the pilot. Also pages 28 and 29 has and ad for the second syndicated season of the Ray Combs version of "Family Feud".
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201989/BC-1989-11-06.pdf
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Page 10 in this issue Christmas 1989 there is talk about NBC's Four new Daytime Game shows. Livewire, LMAD90, TTTT90, and Photo Finish. The last one produced by Steve Martin, I dunno if it's the Steve Martin who's the actor/comedian.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201989/BC-1989-12-25.pdf
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On Page 97 of this mag in the in brief news, there is news about Palladium Entertainment's Jackpot and Eye Q
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-09-19.pdf
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Wink bought the rights to Boggle six years before he finally got it on the air! In Page 52 of this issue, there is an article of Wink and his partner Jerry Gilden trying to launch Boggle on the air in 1988.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-05-16.pdf
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They are talking about Monopoly being a daytime show on ABC. Page 63
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-07-18.pdf
We know how that turned out!
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We know how most of these stories came out.
Mainly because they are coming from a twenty-two year old magazine.
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On Pages 46 and 47 There are several game shows considered for the early 1989 season!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-10-24.pdf
They include Stop the Music from Orbis, Betcha! from Viacom, Couch Potatoes, Boggle from Martindale/Gilden Productions, Celebrity Secrets, Straight to the Heart, Also Talkabout! as well as the kid's game show 5-4-3-2 Run both from D.L Taffner. the last one sold in Canada but not in the U.S unfortunately.
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On Pages 46 and 47 There are several game shows considered for the early 1989 season!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-10-24.pdf
They include Stop the Music from Orbis, Betcha! from Viacom, Couch Potatoes, Boggle from Martindale/Gilden Productions, Celebrity Secrets, Straight to the Heart, Also Talkabout! as well as the kid's game show 5-4-3-2 Run both from D.L Taffner. the last one sold in Canada but not in the U.S unfortunately.
I remember watching 5-4-3-2 Run on Saturday Morning back when I was living in Vermont on Canadian channel CFCF 12. Vermont does broadcast Canadian channels.
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They include Stop the Music from Orbis, Betcha! from Viacom, Couch Potatoes, Boggle from Martindale/Gilden Productions, Celebrity Secrets, Straight to the Heart, Also Talkabout! as well as the kid's game show 5-4-3-2 Run both from D.L Taffner. the last one sold in Canada but not in the U.S unfortunately.
Celebrity Secrets would have been a remake of All-Star Secrets, with Eubanks as host again. Betcha was another of those stunt 'Can they do it?' games with contestants wagering on the success or failure of studio and filmed bits. Monty Hall hosted, and Paul Anka was a producer.
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-10-24.pdf
On page 45, I found it interesting that "Regis and Kathie Lee" was having "severe problems" at that point, along with "Family Feud".
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in this issue in pages seven and eight there is an ad for Celebrity Secrets and Bob is sharp in a suit and on the other page there is a pic of Bob standing on the set of Celebrity Secrets with the celebs. See if you can identify them.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-11-07.pdf
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In this ad, Page 54 Worldvision is talking about a celebrity game show called Make Your Move.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-11-14.pdf
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In this ad, Page 54 Worldvision is talking about a celebrity game show called Make Your Move.
To save people time: what you see above is the ENTIRETY of the content. No picture, no ad, just a single sentence saying exactly what you see above. Links just don't get more unnecessary.
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To save people time: what you see above is the ENTIRETY of the content. No picture, no ad, just a single sentence saying exactly what you see above. Links just don't get more unnecessary.
Confirmed. It's just one simple sentence.
Wow. Just wow.
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Beginning at Page 25 and going all the way to to Page 33 is an ad for Twenty Questions!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-11-28.pdf
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Beginning at Page 25 and going all the way to to Page 33 is an ad for Twenty Questions!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-11-28.pdf
OK, that's pretty wild. I've never heard of this attempt, and you'd think for Disney to have devoted several pages of ad space to it, they were pretty seriously behind it. Is that Harry Anderson as the host?
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Beginning at Page 25 and going all the way to to Page 33 is an ad for Twenty Questions!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-11-28.pdf
OK, that's pretty wild. I've never heard of this attempt, and you'd think for Disney to have devoted several pages of ad space to it, they were pretty seriously behind it. Is that Harry Anderson as the host?
Mike Jerrick, most recently of "Mike and Juliet" was the host (in the ad, he's pictured with Ilene Graff.) Harry was a panelist.
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Page 47 has an ad for the 1989-90 version of "Jackpot".
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-11-14.pdf
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OK, that's pretty wild. I've never heard of this attempt, and you'd think for Disney to have devoted several pages of ad space to it, they were pretty seriously behind it. Is that Harry Anderson as the host?
Mike Burger's pilot page says Dick Wilson...I thought it was Wil Shriner or Pat Finn myself.
Pilot page (http://"http://www.usgameshows.net/x.php?show=TwentyQuestions&sort=0")
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Twenty Questions also would have been Burton Richardson's first game show had it sold.
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Anyone check out the early 1981 issues? Among the noteworthy shows that didn't make it to air that fall were Chuck Barris's $1M Talent Search and attempted Dollar a Second revial w/Bob Eubanks, as well as Hittin' Home, an Hour Magazine-type show to have been hosted by Chuck Woolery...one issue also featured a profile of moral crusader Rev. Donald Wildmon and his joint efforts w/Jerry Fallwell to try and clean up TV.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
What if? Hittin' Home sold in 1981? Would Chuck have stayed on Wheel? Would be quite odd to see him on Hittin' Home in the morning and then Wheel later that morning. You think Pat would be on Wheel early so Chuck would leave to host this show?
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OK in the 06-16-1986 issue of Broadcasting there are game shows mentioned to replace Family Ties reuns in January of 1987. They Include: Oddball from Mark Goodson, the aforementioned Comedy Court from Chuck Barris, Buzzwords from Merv Griffin (which of course the theme song to that pilot became a prize cue on Wheel in the late 80s as well as the theme song to Merv Griffin's Crosswords), Second Guess from Marty Pasetta Productions, (hosted by Alex Trebek), and Bogus from Jay Wolpert Productions.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/B...-1986-06-16.pdf (http://"http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201986/BC-1986-06-16.pdf")
Who hosted "Bogus"?
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There is an article about game shows and it includes a pic of Peter Tomarken hosting the Monopoly pilot.
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201989/BC-1989-12-18.pdf
Page 52!
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On Page 106 of the 4/20/1970 issue there is a Showcorporation ad for "Personality" reruns, which demonstrates that NBC didn't wipe everything game show related. Around this time, Paramount was offering reruns of "You Don't Say," which a couple of stations picked up, as I recall.
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I wonder if Personality and You Don't Say reruns were offered in part because of the popularity of the Password reruns from a couple of years earlier. Maybe the producers figured lightning would strike twice.
This certainly proves that NBC held onto some sort of backlog of the tapes at that time, but I doubt they lasted long once those limited reruns were over. Did anybody ever pick up Personality? Interestingly, on a Game TV episode from around '97, Bob Stewart even mentioned the show didn't exist, and that they re-used the tapes.
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[quote name='golden-road' post='256804' date='Feb 10 2011, 12:14 AM']I wonder if Mike Burger has more info on that Banko pilot. I'm intrigued as to how it could've been pulled off.
It's your typical we're going to play bingo on the screen while you play at home game. It has been tried before and tried after. Despite the dollar figures bandied about, the pilot screamed cheap and the payouts unsustainable.
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Well how did the game work?
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Well how did the game work?
Two players competed. To get to the Banko board, you essentially played Stumpers with five clues, giving two to start. If both clues got by your opponent, you could stop and take 2 spins at the board, or risk it by showing the opponent another clue for 3 turns. This continued until you decided to stop, you gave all five, or the other player solved, thus earning the spins for themselves.
The board contained 24 prizes, and a star in the center square which was "always an instant win." The game started with some (four?) prizes already revealed. Stopping the flashing light (with a plunger and the cringe-worthy cry of "BANKO!") revealed a prize, and sometimes an extra direction (free turn, flip flop of control, etc.). The contestant who lit up the fifth prize in a row of five, or the one who hit the star, won the game and went to the bonus round.
The bonus round replaced the prizes with dollar amounts, but kept the star. If you hit $200, for example, all other $200 squares went blank. But in the bonus round, the used squares didn't go out of the shuffle. If you hit a blank, you lost the bonus game, and all your money. (Sound familiar?) But if you reached the money goal, or hit the star, you kept your earnings, plus some B&E type prizes.
The prizes in the winning line, and the prizes won in the bonus, were what the home audience was crossing off their cards. Wink hosted, Charlie O'Donnell announced.
-Jason
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Thank you, Jason :)
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More questions:
Was there any bonus for a winning line including the star?
What prizes were won if the star was hit on the first turn; just the ones already revealed?
Could you clarify what "the used squares didn't go out of the shuffle" meant?
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What prizes were won if the star was hit on the first turn; just the ones already revealed?
That's a good question, and I assume now that was part of the point of staking the game with headstart prizes (the other part being to speed up the game). I only saw portions of Banko, so I don't remember some of the finer details you're after. But your guesses make sense.
Could you clarify what "the used squares didn't go out of the shuffle" meant?
Whereas in the front game you couldn't hit a revealed square again, the bonus light traveled across all the squares - blank or not. Thus, the Thing To Avoid in this bonus game was a blank square.
One neat bit of strategy was the square that gave your opponent a free turn. You (as the spinner) chose when they took it. Ergo, if you had 3 spins left, and Banko wasn't possible with just 1 spin, it would be wise to let the opponent take their free turn before you finished your 3.
-Jason
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What prizes were won if the star was hit on the first turn; just the ones already revealed?
That's a good question, and I assume now that was part of the point of staking the game with headstart prizes (the other part being to speed up the game). I only saw portions of Banko, so I don't remember some of the finer details you're after. But your guesses make sense.
Could you clarify what "the used squares didn't go out of the shuffle" meant?
Whereas in the front game you couldn't hit a revealed square again, the bonus light traveled across all the squares - blank or not. Thus, the Thing To Avoid in this bonus game was a blank square.
One neat bit of strategy was the square that gave your opponent a free turn. You (as the spinner) chose when they took it. Ergo, if you had 3 spins left, and Banko wasn't possible with just 1 spin, it would be wise to let the opponent take their free turn before you finished your 3.
-Jason
One more question; do you remember what the endgame money goal was?
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Hey, JasonA1. Will you explain the rules of "Bogus", please?
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One more question; do you remember what the endgame money goal was?
No.
-Jason
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Hey, JasonA1. Will you explain the rules of "Bogus", please?
See, Jason? This is how it starts.
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I had a good laugh at Jason's reply before I realized he wasn't responding to Fan4Sure.
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Hey, JasonA1. Will you explain the rules of "Bogus", please?
See, Jason? This is how it starts.
I gotta know, for every one of these you let through, how many do you reject?
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Hey, JasonA1. Will you explain the rules of "Bogus", please?
See, Jason? This is how it starts.
I gotta know, for every one of these you let through, how many do you reject?
Three or four, probably. He really doesn't stop.
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Hey, JasonA1. Will you explain the rules of "Bogus", please?
See, Jason? This is how it starts.
You mean Fan4Sure is a SENTIENT BEING!?!?
Point taken though.
-Jason
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You mean Fan4Sure is a SENTIENT BEING!?!?
Actually, I'm not sure. I think a pretty simple subroutine could be written to create the questions he asks on our forum.
Hey, <respondent>, <who hosted> and/or <what are the rules for> <unsold pilot>?
It's pretty predictable. All he does is ask for oddly specific information, but whenever we ask him anything (like how he seems to know so much about unsold pilots in the first place), the subroutine appears to shut down.
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I think a pretty simple subroutine could be written to create the questions he asks on our forum.
Hey, <respondent>, <who hosted> and/or <what are the rules for> <unsold pilot>?
It's pretty predictable. All he does is ask for oddly specific information, but whenever we ask him anything (like how he seems to know so much about unsold pilots in the first place), the subroutine appears to shut down.
And if you do it to him on his YouTube page, he gets really bent out of shape. (I'm sure he does here too, but we just never see it.)
The big thing with him for awhile was that he was asking "does anyone have this, Yet?" or something along those lines (and he still does that to certain degrees- right now he's been harping on the fourth episode of Caesars Challenge). A few people (myself included) kept needling him to post a video, if you remember. The funny thing is that when he finally did in September of last year, he uploaded a video of Password Plus that the audio was totally beyond out of sync with.
/so Mr. Matte' now needs to update the MGHS Hour of Fail vids with "now with 1 vid!" or something next time out
//if he hasn't done so already, of course
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Will anybody know about "Double Up" hosted by Jamie Farr from "M*A*S*H"?
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One more question; do you remember what the endgame money goal was?
Actually, it came back to me - the bonus was not to a money goal. The goal was to make "Banko" again. The problem was with getting credit for all duplicates of the amount you hit. It created a situation where the spaces that made five-in-a-row weren't readily apparent. There was no handy dandy "THIS SPACE IS A WIN" markings like Woolery Lingo had.
-Jason
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One more question; do you remember what the endgame money goal was?
Actually, it came back to me - the bonus was not to a money goal. The goal was to make "Banko" again. The problem was with getting credit for all duplicates of the amount you hit. It created a situation where the spaces that made five-in-a-row weren't readily apparent. There was no handy dandy "THIS SPACE IS A WIN" markings like Woolery Lingo had.
-Jason
So basically the goal was to get a line of squares in any direction... but it could be impossible to do so. Taking into account that this is B&E we're talking about, why does this seem familiar?
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So basically the goal was to get a line of squares in any direction... but it could be impossible to do so.
No. When you hit a $100 space, you were credited $100 in cash, and all the spaces reading "$100" were marked. This scattershot method meant you could hit a 300 in one corner, and make Banko with another $300 space two rows over.
-Jason
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So basically the goal was to get a line of squares in any direction... but it could be impossible to do so.
No. When you hit a $100 space, you were credited $100 in cash, and all the spaces reading "$100" were marked. This scattershot method meant you could hit a 300 in one corner, and make Banko with another $300 space two rows over.
-Jason
Like the front game, was landing on the star still an instant win?
The overall idea for Banko, didn't really sound too bad.
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The overall idea for Banko, didn't really sound too bad.
Well, the overall idea was "let's make bingo into a game show." Which sounds nifty in theory, but when you think about it, it's never really worked. Lingo probably comes closest, and the compelling thing about Lingo has virtually nothing to do with bingo and everything to do with the simplified version of Jotto.
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What are the rules of "Second Guess"?
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What are the rules of "Second Guess"?
You guessed something. If you were wrong, you got another guess. It was an attempt at the first 30 second game show.
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What are the rules of "Second Guess"?
There is a 60-second analog clock on the wall. You place a bet as to what second (0-59) the sweep second hand will stop on.
If you get it exactly right, you win the Malcolm Jackpot.
If you are within 5 seconds, you win a set of 1968 World Book Encyclopedias.
Anything beyond that, and the contestant is pelted with sunflower seeds and they must leave the studio with a bag over their head.
/The show quickly went downhill when the Unknown Comic was on for 3 weeks in a row after renaming the show "Celebrity Second Guess".
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What are the rules of "Second Guess"?
There is a 60-second analog clock on the wall. You place a bet as to what second (0-59) the sweep second hand will stop on.
If you get it exactly right, you win the Malcolm Jackpot.
If you are within 5 seconds, you win a set of 1968 World Book Encyclopedias.
Anything beyond that, and the contestant is pelted with sunflower seeds and they must leave the studio with a bag over their head.
/The show quickly went downhill when the Unknown Comic was on for 3 weeks in a row after renaming the show "Celebrity Second Guess".
Who hosted it?
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What are the rules of "Second Guess"?
There is a 60-second analog clock on the wall. You place a bet as to what second (0-59) the sweep second hand will stop on.
If you get it exactly right, you win the Malcolm Jackpot.
If you are within 5 seconds, you win a set of 1968 World Book Encyclopedias.
Anything beyond that, and the contestant is pelted with sunflower seeds and they must leave the studio with a bag over their head.
/The show quickly went downhill when the Unknown Comic was on for 3 weeks in a row after renaming the show "Celebrity Second Guess".
Who hosted it?
According to Jamie Greek, it was Alex Trebek.
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Who hosted it?
Philip McCracken.
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Who hosted it?
Philip McCracken.
Philip McCracken?! No, it was hosted by Alex Trebek, while doing "Jeopardy!"
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Philip McCracken?! No, it was hosted by Alex Trebek, while doing "Jeopardy!"
That's interesting; you knew the answer to the very question you asked.
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That's interesting; you knew the answer to the very question you asked.
Maybe he's wearing a Carnac turban and we don't realize it.
/Eyes the hermetically sealed envelopes in the mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnall's front porch
//Longest slashie ever
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That's interesting; you knew the answer to the very question you asked.
In all honesty, I'm really not surprised. I think this is his way of "being part of the community."
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Philip McCracken?! No, it was hosted by Alex Trebek, while doing "Jeopardy!"
That's interesting; you knew the answer to the very question you asked.
Don't you get it? You just got SECOND GUESS'D!
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I've become convinced that Fan4Sure is a highly trained robot. Any time he sees "pilot" his internal circuitry turns on.
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I've become convinced that Fan4Sure is a highly trained robot. Any time he sees "pilot" his internal circuitry turns on.
"Ho Ho Ho, It's Magic"
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Bumping to display an ad for "$20,000" Pyramid syndie.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201980/BC%201980%2009%2022.pdf
Page 4.
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That's my first time ever seeing the CPM, Inc. logo (the 1981 versions' original syndicator). Whatever happened to them?
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Bumping to display an ad for "$20,000" Pyramid syndie.
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Interesting! Never knew that the $20K was originally intended for syndication......I guess there would have been no tourney if it would not have been hiked up to $50K...
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On Pages 46 and 47 There are several game shows considered for the early 1989 season!
http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive%20BC/BC%201988/BC-1988-10-24.pdf
They include Stop the Music from Orbis, Betcha! from Viacom, Couch Potatoes, Boggle from Martindale/Gilden Productions, Celebrity Secrets, Straight to the Heart, Also Talkabout! as well as the kid's game show 5-4-3-2 Run both from D.L Taffner. the last one sold in Canada but not in the U.S unfortunately.
Who hosted "Betcha!"?
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Who hosted "Betcha!"?
Approved, only because I actually know the answer. Monty Hall.
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...as well as the kid's game show 5-4-3-2 Run both from D.L Taffner. the last one sold in Canada but not in the U.S unfortunately.
No, you are fortunate.
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Who hosted "Betcha!"?
Approved, only because I actually know the answer. Monty Hall.
But what are the rules of "Betcha!"?
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Who hosted "Betcha!"?
Approved, only because I actually know the answer. Monty Hall.
But what are the rules of "Betcha!"?
Approved, only to point out that I guess I never really learn, do I?
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Who hosted "Betcha!"?
Approved, only because I actually know the answer. Monty Hall.
But what are the rules of "Betcha!"?
People put odds and bets on whether or not certain questions would be answered.
/I heard the preceding had 99:1 and I put $10 on it
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Approved, only to point out that I guess I never really learn, do I?
No good deed goes unpunished.
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Approved, only to point out that I guess I never really learn, do I?
I lol'd.
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Bumping this thread, check out what I found from the 01-05-1987 issue:
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-05.pdf
On page 185, there is a flyer for the back-end syndicated run of Press Your Luck, as distributed by Republic Pictures. Notice that it lists the package consisting of 130 half-hour episodes. Those are the ones that originally aired on CBS from 2/25/85-8/23/85. This was, of course, the attempt to bring the show over to first-run syndication, which apparently didn't work. They were also the first episodes that aired on USA from 1987-1988.
Reruns on USA Network proved to be even more successful, and more episodes were added. Thanks to several recently resurfaced non-GSN episodes on YouTube, I was able to determine during which years the 1986 and 1983 episodes began airing on USA: 1989 and 1992 respectively.
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Bumping this thread, check out what I found from the 01-05-1987 issue:
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC%201987/BC-1987-01-05.pdf
On page 185, there is a flyer for the back-end syndicated run of Press Your Luck, as distributed by Republic Pictures. Notice that it lists the package consisting of 130 half-hour episodes. Those are the ones that originally aired on CBS from 2/25/85-8/23/85. This was, of course, the attempt to bring the show over to first-run syndication, which apparently didn't work. They were also the first episodes that aired on USA from 1987-1988.
Reruns on USA Network proved to be even more successful, and more episodes were added. Thanks to several recently resurfaced non-GSN episodes on YouTube, I was able to determine during which years the 1986 and 1983 episodes began airing on USA: 1989 and 1992 respectively.
For Canadian fans, ASN (an ATV affiliate in Atlantic Canada) re-ran PYL around the same time. Don't know the dates exactly. Possibly other Canadian stations reran it too, but I only know of ASN.
Mark
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For Canadian fans, ASN (an ATV affiliate in Atlantic Canada) re-ran PYL around the same time. Don't know the dates exactly. Possibly other Canadian stations reran it too, but I only know of ASN.
They were also run on CFMT, Channel 47 in Toronto from June 1987 until sometime in 1989.
Over the years I've only found evidence of about five stations that aired the PYL reruns before it hit USA - the two Canadian stations mentioned, plus stations in Pittsburgh, Miami and Rochester, NY. Surely it must have been on more stations than that...
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[quote name='Ian Wallis']
Over the years I've only found evidence of about five stations that aired the PYL reruns before it hit USA - the two Canadian stations mentioned, plus stations in Pittsburgh, Miami and Rochester, NY. Surely it must have been on more stations than that...
[/quote]IIRC, that's one more station than 100% got...not saying other stations didn't air it but its also entirely possible none did.
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For Canadian fans, ASN (an ATV affiliate in Atlantic Canada) re-ran PYL around the same time. Don't know the dates exactly. Possibly other Canadian stations reran it too, but I only know of ASN.
They were also run on CFMT, Channel 47 in Toronto from June 1987 until sometime in 1989.
Over the years I've only found evidence of about five stations that aired the PYL reruns before it hit USA - the two Canadian stations mentioned, plus stations in Pittsburgh, Miami and Rochester, NY. Surely it must have been on more stations than that...
WBAL in Baltimore also aired PYL reruns in 1986-87. The reruns were only sold to markets where PYL wasn't seen first-run where it could be passed off as "new".
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On pages 53, 54, and 55 in this issue: There is an ad for a show that never came to fruition. Hotline. With Jim Peck as host!!!
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-01-23.pdf
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Also in said issue above, on Page 78 there is a picture of a show that never came to fruition by Viacom called Betcha!
But on Page 28 in this issue here there is a pic of the natpe run-through of Hotline.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-01-30.pdf
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On the bright side, Mr. Gleason has updated his log of magazines, now going into the early-90s, and adding more from 1989. I haven't had a chance to browse through any other magazines, but I know there was a Name That Tune pilot from '89 whose pics made it into one of the issues.
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On Page 108, There is an article on Dick Clark Productions and it says he was working on three game show pilots. Two for Buena Vista and One for Lorimar. I know that The Challengers was one for Buena Vista. Anyone care to mention the other two?
Also Slightly OT: Dick Clark and Bob Stewart were also working on a Courtroom Drama with Viacom called Trial by Jury
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-05-01.pdf
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LMAD, perhaps? Trial by Jury made it to syndication with Raymond Burr for half-a-season.
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Here's an article from Page 8 about this conflict with Peter and Bert in 3rd Degree.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-07-10.pdf
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In Page 10 of this issue:
Reg Grundy talks about getting Scrabble in syndication. Also, He mentions that he is working on a show for ABC Daytime. He is giving Keynotes another try, and renaming it: Celebrity Keynotes. Also, There is an article about upcoming games for 1990-91 Orion and NTT, Challengers, and Trump Card are mentioned. Monopoly was going to be tried for syndication by King World. As well as a show called Coast to Coast, a show called Wiseguys, and perhaps a syndicated version of Classic Concentration.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-08-28.pdf
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On Page 31 there is a long list of game shows on the docket for NATPE in 1990. One thing, I don't really understand is Match Game produced by Ralph Edwards and Stu Billett. Maybe, it was going to be a joint venture between Edward-Billett and Goodson.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-09-04.pdf
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On Page 160 it was expected that Richard Dawson was going to host Trump Card.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-09-11.pdf
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In Page 44, there's an article about Trump Card
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-09-25.pdf
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On Page 9 of this issue, there is a short blurb about ABC Daytime developing four game show projects one of which has Bert Convy as host. Of course, we all know it as Match Game 1990
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-10-02.pdf
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In Page 10 of this issue, there is a short blurb about an ABC pilot that never came to Fruition called The Name Game. Which was hosted by Bob Eubanks. They said it could mark Paramount's first entry into the first run game show market. Well, Did Broadcasting forget about Wipeout, Make Me Laugh, Anything for Money? Also, in that same blurb they mention Fred Silverman reviving Dotto for NBC.
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In Page 10 of this issue, there is a short blurb about an ABC pilot that never came to Fruition called The Name Game. Which was hosted by Bob Eubanks. They said it could mark Paramount's first entry into the first run game show market. Well, Did Broadcasting forget about Wipeout, Make Me Laugh, Anything for Money? Also, in that same blurb they mention Fred Silverman reviving Dotto for NBC.
Oops! I forgot the link! Here it is!
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-10-23.pdf
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On Page 31 there is a long list of game shows on the docket for NATPE in 1990. One thing, I don't really understand is Match Game produced by Ralph Edwards and Stu Billett. Maybe, it was going to be a joint venture between Edward-Billett and Goodson.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1989/BC-1989-09-04.pdf
Can someone care to elaborate on this? How about the syndie version of Classic Concentration? Who was going to host it? We know Alex couldn't. Since he was tied up with J!
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You're quoting YOURSELF now and asking for people to elaborate? Are you kidding?
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Can someone care to elaborate on this? How about the syndie version of Classic Concentration? Who was going to host it? We know Alex couldn't. Since he was tied up with J!
Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh.
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Page 10 of this issue there is a short blurb about Juvenile Jury possible coming back in 1991.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-07-09.pdf
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In Page 35 also in this issue:
slightly OT: There is talk about Chuck Woolery and his talk show which our own Randy West announced, Pat Sajak getting into the daytime business hosting a talk show produced by Merv Griffin.
But to get back on topic, King World is talking about the possibility of relaunching Monopoly, Dick Clark Productions, having several game shows in development and considering taking LMAD into first run, Speculation about MGP doing a deal to bring MG and TTTT to syndication. As well as the talk about Scrabble, and there is talk about a grown-ups version of Get The Picture. Gordon Elliott was the first choice to host the show but he signed on to do TTTT90 instead. And I believe it led to the legal problems that Gordon Elliott had which resulted in him leaving TTTT90.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-07-09.pdf
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there is talk about a grown-ups version of Get The Picture
This was unrelated to the Nick series. A generic three-player answer-the-question guess-the-gradually-revealed-picture sort of deal.
-Jason
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Makes sense...the Nick version didn't premiere until about 8 months later.
Right before the show premiered, I remember there being a board game called "Get The Picture". I can't remember if it was more of a Pictionary-type game, but I do wonder if this pilot was based on that game.
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Thanx for setting me straight Jason and btw here is the blurb about Gordon Elliott backing out of Get the Picture to host TTTT90
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-07-02.pdf
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Thanx for setting me straight Jason and btw here is the blurb about Gordon Elliott backing out of Get the Picture to host TTTT90
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-07-02.pdf
I presume, then, that "Get the Picture" is the show that Gordon wound up getting into legal trouble (http://"http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=LB&p_theme=lb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EAE8CB4642CCCDE&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM") over once TTTT premiered.
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Thanx for setting me straight Jason and btw here is the blurb about Gordon Elliott backing out of Get the Picture to host TTTT90
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-07-02.pdf
I presume, then, that "Get the Picture" is the show that Gordon wound up getting into legal trouble (http://"http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=LB&p_theme=lb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EAE8CB4642CCCDE&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM") over once TTTT premiered.
You would be correct.
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On Page 6 there is a short blurb about Sreve Edwards Scrabble being a no-go
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-01-21.pdf
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On page 53 it tells how to save money with the right motor oil!
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1985/BC-1985-01-21.pdf
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On page 53 it tells how to save money with the right motor oil!
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On Page 77 of the March 31, 1969 issue (I went there looking for some info on It Takes Two, which I didn't find), there's a great picture of the Pay Cards! set. A MILLION thanks to the webmaster of this fine site--I remember looking at "Broadcasting" issues from the mid-'70s at DMACC in Ankeny, Iowa...but I never dreamed I'd find '50s and '60s issues all online! :)
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In this issue there is a short blurb about Michael Brockman joining Goodson productions as well as an article about a multi-state lottery game show for Prime access.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-02-25.pdf
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Page 31 is the Goodson blurb Page 32 is the article about the multi-state game show.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-02-25.pdf
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Page 46 there's another article on this lottery game show that BVT was doing.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-04-08.pdf
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To make things easier, just edit the original post to say that the Goodson stuff was on pages 31-32. Honestly, with two issues that close together, that could probably all go in the same thread instead of posting every single article you find back-to-back-to-back-to-back.
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Well Brandon I look at every issue to see if there is gs related stuff in there. Also I wanted to make sure i sent the link and all
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Page 46 there's another article on this lottery game show that BVT was doing.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-04-08.pdf
And what would that title be called?
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Right thanx for the suggestion!
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Page 46 there's another article on this lottery game show that BVT was doing.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-04-08.pdf
And what would that title be called?
I dunno BTW, here is another here about Fox suing LBS. I think Fox was attempting to put LBS out of business so they can distribute Family Feud.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-07-08.pdf
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Well Brandon I look at every issue to see if there is gs related stuff in there.
This has to be one of the saddest things I've ever read on this forum.
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On Page 16 there is an article about gamedies
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-07-22.pdf
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At the very end there is an ad for Scrabble with Steve Edwards
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-01-07.pdf
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This has to be one of the saddest things I've ever read on this forum
Now don't go handing out plaques just yet, especially if the Jamey/Fan4Sure dialogue continues.
\God help us if Fan4Sure finds out Jamey has the pilots of Caesar's Challenge on DVD.
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Page 46 there's another article on this lottery game show that BVT was doing.
http://www.americanr...-1991-04-08.pdf (http://"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-04-08.pdf")
And what would that title be called?
I dunno BTW, here is another here about Fox suing LBS. I think Fox was attempting to put LBS out of business so they can distribute Family Feud.
http://www.americanr...-1991-07-08.pdf (http://"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-07-08.pdf")
Furbys.
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Here is another ad with a pic of Steve talking to the contestants on Scrabble.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-01-14.pdf
Page 71
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On Page 17 there is a blurb about an unsold pilot called The Puzzle Game.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-01-15.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-01-15.pdf\")
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http://www.americanr...-1990-01-15.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-01-15.pdf\")
Something I found more interesting were the ratings numbers on page 25, the right half of an ad for A Current Affair. Win, Lose or Draw got a 1.6 rating for the week given, sometime in December '88. Did the WLoD fad die that quickly?
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Here is another ad with a pic of Steve talking to the contestants on Scrabble.
http://www.americanr...-1991-01-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-01-14.pdf\")
Page 71
Interesting that in that same issue, they mention that Trump Card is heading into its second season, yet another article indicates how poorly it did. Maybe at the time the magazine was printed, a second season was planned(?)
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Here is another ad with a pic of Steve talking to the contestants on Scrabble.
http://www.americanr...-1991-01-14.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-01-14.pdf\")
Page 71
Admittedly, the page number kinda threw me off -- in Adobe Reader, it's Page 99. Still, very interesting ad. :)
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Interesting that in that same issue, they mention that Trump Card is heading into its second season, yet another article indicates how poorly it did. Maybe at the time the magazine was printed, a second season was planned(?)
Until reality sets in and no station buys your program, a second season is always planned.
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the 3-16-81 issue has a very small ad from Metromedia mentioning "Rodeo Drive" with Peter Tomarken is available for fall '81. In the same ad is "Super Pay Cards", the history books show which one got sold.
Would this have been the same "Rodeo Drive" that got picked up nearly a decade later, in 1990, by Lifetime, with comedian-impressionist Louise DuArt hosting, and produced by Jay Wolpert?
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On Page 15 a full page ad for Secrets and Rumors. with a pic of Game play you can easily see.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-02-02.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-02-02.pdf\")
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Page 6 Pop N' Rocker Game ad. 23-24 Pantomine Quiz
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1983/BC%201983%2005%2023.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1983/BC%201983%2005%2023.pdf\")
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Page 6 Pop N' Rocker Game ad.
You kinda advertised this one earlier in the thread...
http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20992&st=42#entry253834
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Page 6 Pop N' Rocker Game ad.
You kinda advertised this one earlier in the thread...
http://gameshow.ipbh...=42#entry253834 (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20992&st=42#entry253834\")
Uh oh, now he's repeating himself with these.......
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Now in Page 48 there is an article about NBC developing game show pilots. Well, the net in general and they say they have a game show development deal with Allen Funt for a Candid Camera Game
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-18.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-18.pdf\")
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On Page 27 there is an article for a gamedy that was considered called How's your Love Life? Produced by Bob and Sande Stewart and distributed by Viacom. Also on Page 31, It talks about King World buying the rights to Squares and Burt Reynolds being under consideration for host. Also, Fred Silverman and Dan Enright starting a syndication company and reviving the show Life Begins at 80.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-25.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-25.pdf\")
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Any game shows by Lancit Media?
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Any game shows by Lancit Media?
Why don't you search for yourself?
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Any game shows by Lancit Media?
Why don't you search for yourself?
Because he's Fan4Sure and that's not his style?
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Any game shows by Lancit Media?
Why don't you search for yourself?
Because he's Fan4Sure and that's not his style?
Yeah, I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but you can't fault a man for trying.........:)
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On Page 42 there is mention about a pilot considered for NBC's Fall 1987 Daytime Lineup called Strike a Match produced by Merv Griffin.
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-06-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-06-08.pdf\")
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On Page 42 there is mention about a pilot considered for NBC's Fall 1987 Daytime Lineup called Strike a Match produced by Merv Griffin.
http://www.americanr...-1987-06-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-06-08.pdf\")
There's actually 2 things in that article I found more interesting, both bad predictions on NBCs part:
1. In order to stay on the air, "Scrabble" will have to hold on to more of "Wheel"s lead in. (which show vanished first?)
2. continue the growth of "Santa Barbara" and improve "Another World" or replace it. (yeah, same story as above)
OH!, wait a minute, that's Brian Frons speaking. The same genius who canceled "One Life To Live" and replaced it with the exceptional "The Revolution". At least ABC showed him the door.
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Well to be fair, NBC couldn't have predicted "Wheel" to be "Benirschked
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Well to be fair, NBC couldn't have predicted "Wheel" to be "Benirschked
Is that pronounced "Be-nirschkt" or "Be-nirsch-cud"?
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I go with the latter. Either way, the word sounds like bad news. :-P
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On Page 42 there is mention about a pilot considered for NBC's Fall 1987 Daytime Lineup called Strike a Match produced by Merv Griffin.
http://www.americanr...-1987-06-08.pdf (http://\"http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-06-08.pdf\")
There's actually 2 things in that article I found more interesting, both bad predictions on NBCs part:
1. In order to stay on the air, "Scrabble" will have to hold on to more of "Wheel"s lead in. (which show vanished first?)
2. continue the growth of "Santa Barbara" and improve "Another World" or replace it. (yeah, same story as above)
OH!, wait a minute, that's Brian Frons speaking. The same genius who canceled "One Life To Live" and replaced it with the exceptional "The Revolution". At least ABC showed him the door.
i wonder would have NBC considered moving "Santa Barbara" to the morning(i know soaps didn't work in that time slot but it might had have a decent chance against TPIR) that would have left "Sale Of The Century", " Classic Concentration" and "Santa Barbara" as their morning lineup...
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if NBC wanted to continue the growth of "Santa Barbara" they could have put it between "Sale" and "Wheel"(although that might have been a risk then) but i think that "Santa Barbara" would have done well against "Card Sharks" on CBS so TPIR may not had been a big factor i think a soap could have done well in the morning if it was the right show (in this case "Santa Barbara") it might have done well against CS to last a while but what happens if NBC grabs TTD or The Challengers in 90 i doubt NBC signs Patrick Wayne for TTD but they would have gotten Dick Clark for The Challengers(after all he was the producer and he would have been the best choice to do it) maybe NBC grabs Wink to do TTD in 90 NBC has a winning lineup all of a sudden with "Tic Tac Dough", "Santa Barbara" and "The Challengers" now NBC needs to find something at 12:30 following the news.. it finds a midday news show starring "Today" newscaster Faith Daniels and it proves to give "The Young and The Restless" tough competition at 12:30.. causing NBC's lineup to get good just at the right time and CBS starts to find its number 1 spot in daytime challenged for the first time since 1980
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NBC was trying to get away from daytime game shows in the early 90's. They were getting poor ratings with the ones they had. That's why you were seeing stuff like "One on One with John Tesh," "Trialwatch," "Cover to Cover," "A Closer Look." "John and Leeza" "The Other Side," "Jane Whitney" etc.
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NBC was trying to get away from daytime game shows in the early 90's. They were getting poor ratings with the ones they had. That's why you were seeing stuff like "One on One with John Tesh," "Trialwatch," "Cover to Cover," "A Closer Look." "John and Leeza" "The Other Side," "Jane Whitney" etc.
That was before Access Hollywood and EXTRA came into syndication on the NBC O&O's not to mention Ellen and Steve Harvey.
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Quite a few years, actually. Jimmy is referring to c. 1991-92.
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i am mentioning 1990-91
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but lets say NBC was not getting poor ratings with the game shows they had..or if they got tough with preemptions by the late 80s lets say that NBC does well with "Sale", "Santa Barbara" and "Wheel" having two games and a soap proves to be a good thing for them don't know if CBS would have a chance at 10 then even with "Feud" and at the same time NBC finds out that "Another World" is starting to sink..
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Let's say my aunt had balls. Would she be my uncle?
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Love Connection and Studs were duking it out for relationship show supremacy in late 1991, and two dueling ads proved a point.
20th Century Fox proclaimed "'LOVE' LOST" on pages 32-33 in the November 25, 1991 issue, showing that Studs surpassed LC in the 18-34 and 18-49 demos. (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-25.pdf) (aka the "money demo")
But the following week as seen in pages 10-11, Warner Bros. fought back; though Studs was also up among kids and teens 2-17, Love Connection beat Studs in the 25-54s (which is generally the "news demo")! (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-12-02.pdf)
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though Studs was also up among kids and teens 2-17
I am amused at the thought of a two-year-old watching Freakin' Studs.
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Love Connection and Studs were duking it out for relationship show supremacy in late 1991, and two dueling ads proved a point.
20th Century Fox proclaimed "'LOVE' LOST" on pages 32-33 in the November 25, 1991 issue, showing that Studs surpassed LC in the 18-34 and 19-49 demos. (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-25.pdf)
Something else I found interesting in that issue...on page 26, there's a blurb about King World considering Hollywood Squares for fall 1992. Obviously, that wouldn't happen for a few more years, but I didn't realize they had been considering it that early (remember the aborted Planet Hollywood Squares concept with Roseanne?). IIRC, Marc Summers was also considered as a host before Tom Bergeron.
Also: said blurb incorrectly notes that a prior version ran from 1980-86.
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Love Connection and Studs were duking it out for relationship show supremacy in late 1991, and two dueling ads proved a point.
20th Century Fox proclaimed "'LOVE' LOST" on pages 32-33 in the November 25, 1991 issue, showing that Studs surpassed LC in the 18-34 and 19-49 demos. (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-25.pdf)
There's a blurb of interest on page 26 about King World buying the rights to Hollywood Squares from Orion and their interest in launching a new version for syndication for 1992-93. Given the stage of the genre, would pursuing it have stopped the bleeding or have hurt the franchise?
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though Studs was also up among kids and teens 2-17
I am amused at the thought of a two-year-old watching Freakin' Studs.
Never mind that, I wasn't even aware that was a targeted demographic.
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That same 11/25/91 issue on pages 2-3 also had a Love Connection ad, comparing Studs' ratings from 4.8 that July to 4.0 ("One Night Stand?") to LC's 3.9 from November 1983 to 4.8 in November '91 ("Lasting Love").
(I forgot to mention that in the "Love Lost" ad, Love Connection had an 11 share among adults over 50 to Studs' 3.)
/And somewhat related...there was also a two-pager for Vicki Lawrence's talk show which debuted the following fall; they even boasted her Q Score being higher than Oprah, Donahue, Geraldo, Sally Jessy Raphael, and even Maury Povich.
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Maury Povich on the front page, back when his show was much more than paternity tests.
I notice Paramount isn't as aggressive pushing their stuff, other than that.
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Pages 95, 99, 103, 107, and 111 from December 3, 1984 (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1984/BC-1984-12-03.pdf) showed Every Second Counts doing quite well in Washington, Detroit, Seattle, Indianapolis, and Los Angeles respectively...but as brought up numerous times before, those numbers -- as well as lack of clearances in New York, Dallas, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Phoenix, and several other major markets (though it did clear Chicago, Houston, Cleveland, and San Francisco) -- weren't enough to be renewed.
And going back five years earlier: November 12, 1979 (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1979/BC-1979-11-12.pdf) and a Play The Percentages ad which had over 30 markets signing up for it as production would be underway days later, followed by another for Bert Convy's talk show also from Barry & Enright...which, unfortunately, went unsold.
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Pages 95, 99, 103, 107, and 111 from December 3, 1984 showed Every Second Counts doing quite well in Washington, Detroit, Seattle, Indianapolis, and Los Angeles respectively...but as brought up numerous times before, those numbers -- as well as lack of clearances in New York, Dallas, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Phoenix, and several other major markets (though it did clear Chicago, Houston, Cleveland, and San Francisco) -- weren't enough to be renewed.
And going back five years earlier: November 12, 1979 (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1979/BC-1979-11-12.pdf) and a Play The Percentages ad which had over 30 markets signing up for it as production would be underway days later, followed by another for Bert Convy's talk show also from Barry & Enright...which, unfortunately, went unsold.
Why would you only link one, but not the other?
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Article about a game show channel page 32!
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1992/BC-1992-03-30.pdf
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Brought it up before, but an ad for Peter Marshall's short-lived variety show on page 13, noting it cleared New York (WNEW, now WNYW), Los Angeles (KABC to go along with nighttime Hollywood Squares), and Chicago (WGN) (May 3, 1976): http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1976/1976-05-03-BC.pdf
/Atlanta, by the way, saw it on WXIA; they also had nighttime Squares at the time
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Geez, Merv, we get it.
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Geez, Merv, we get it.
I noticed that seemed to be a trend in the issues of the era. I've seen several ads for the same show, on every other page, usually touting high ratings or new fall pickups for whatever affiliate.
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I noticed that seemed to be a trend in the issues of the era. I've seen several ads for the same show, on every other page, usually touting high ratings or new fall pickups for whatever affiliate.
And sometimes, those "#1 in (insert number of markets)!" or "Now sold in..." can get pretty tiresome, but at least it got the message.
Speaking of the former...pages 8-9 (December 3, 1990) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-12-03.pdf) showed Family Feud (Combs) dominant among women 18-49 in Washington, San Francisco, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Dallas, but #2 in Atlanta (behind Entertainment Tonight of course)...and they all beat Wheel and Jeopardy!
Pages 41-42, by the way, had an ad for the syndicated Scrabble with Steve Edwards that wasn't to be; no need to explain what would happen a few years later.
/As for game shows among men 18-49 at the time...I would assume American Gladiators was tops, though for all shows, Star Trek: The Next Generation still ruled.
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For a couple of years now, Steve Harvey's Feud has been #1 among females...in the 25-54s
So the ladies like dick jokes, do they?
(https://at-cdn-s01.audiotool.com/2014/02/26/documents/fixit_-_challenge_accepted/2/cover256x256-adb5b94f4a6a4017a4933d9c63e696b3.jpg)
/will let y'all know how it works out
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I noticed that seemed to be a trend in the issues of the era. I've seen several ads for the same show, on every other page, usually touting high ratings or new fall pickups for whatever affiliate.
And sometimes, those "#1 in (insert number of markets)!" or "Now sold in..." can get pretty tiresome, but at least it got the message.
Eh...they don't bother me too much. I've always been fascinated by what station in whatever market aired whichever show, and would always keep an eye out for my own hometown. The recurring ads remind me of billboards on the highway, when you see one for the same store or restaurant every several miles.
/South of the Border FTW
//Big Dick's Halfway Inn FTMFL
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Speaking of American Gladiators...the franchise was still chugging along as it headed into Season 4 with a 5.6 rating (among first-run weeklies) against Star Trek: The Next Generation; even then-President George H.W. Bush was into it and they mentioned the UK version among other international versions popping up (pages 6-7, September 7, 1992) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1992/BC-1992-09-07.pdf)!
/The feature film and animated series never came to fruition, by the way
/KEVN in Rapid City, S.D. (where I lived for a happy 1991-92), carried both Gladiators and ST: TNG at the time
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Speaking of American Gladiators
We weren't.
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<snip>
I'm sorry, but where were you going with this? What makes this thread fun is the quirky, obscure stuff, or behind-the-scenes details. You buried the lead; saying American Gladiators was a hit in 1992 is like saying water is wet. Just tell us there were plans for a U.K. version and possible movie, and spare us everything all the fluff, please. It's getting tired.
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I'm sorry, but where were you going with this? What makes this thread fun is the quirky, obscure stuff, or behind-the-scenes details. You buried the lead; saying American Gladiators was a hit in 1992 is like saying water is wet. Just tell us there were plans for a U.K. version and possible movie, and spare us everything all the fluff, please. It's getting tired.
And while we're at this, stop the bold text too. I'd say that no one cares about Atlanta, either, but there's other people from there. Cincinnati, on the other hand......yeah. No one cares.
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One thing I noticed in reading these magazines and watching Youtube, is that there were quite a few short-lived sitcoms (<50 episodes) that went into daily syndication in the early/mid-80s. So far, I've seen TV or print ads for On the Rocks*, Carter Country, House Calls (57 eps. actually), I'm a Big Girl Now, It's/Making a Living, Private Benjamin, and It Takes Two. What's interesting to me is that, some of these shows aired reruns in prime access time slots, which seems odd, considering they didn't run very long.
Any rhyme or reason to this "trend", seeing as how you'd prolly never see this happen today? Perhaps they were testing the waters for syndication; It's a Living did start making new episodes in 1985? Cheaper alternative for stations that couldn't afford the juggernauts like M*A*S*H or Wheel? Or is the answer simply "because it could make a little money"? :P
Then again, USA and GSN aired the same 65 Hot Potato eps. for years, so maybe this is all moot.
*Mid-70s prison sitcom. I cannot find any syndication info about this one, but there's a promo on YT from WTAF in Philly. Apparently they aired the show c. 1985. I'm very intrigued by this one.
ObGameShow: I could name at least one star of each of those shows who appeared on a game show.
ETA: I got a partial answer. Golden West syndicated Big Girl, Living, and It Takes Too as one cumulative package, airing over summer of 1984 (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/84-OCR/BC-1984-07-09-OCR-Page-0001.pdf#search=%22it%20takes%20two%20golden%20west%22).
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I would say there are a number of reasons for the trend and that is that many new Independent stations came on the scene in the early eighties. There was no Fox network at the time so they had time slots to fill and these programs provided a cheap way to get relatively recent programming on their schedules also there were no infomercials allowed in the early eighties. It wasn't until 84 that the rules on program length commercials were abolished. Stations also needed summer replacement shows for their major hits to extend their runs. Barter was not a factor for off-network reruns so that is why each market had somewhat different configurations of programs than is the case today. Many more "boutique" syndicators who maybe had rights to one or two shows and that was their means of staying afloat. The networks were forbidden from syndication then too. Now everything is attached to the networks. Cable nets were not as big a factor. Running a show more than once a day was unusual then as well, unlike today. Etc.
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I would say there are a number of reasons for the trend and that is that many new Independent stations came on the scene in the early eighties. There was no Fox network at the time so they had time slots to fill and these programs provided a cheap way to get relatively recent programming on their schedules also there were no infomercials allowed in the early eighties.
Thanks! I forget FOX was still a couple years away, so this makes total sense, and kinda goes with my theory of more inexpensive programming. From what I've seen, in my area, the big names in mid-80s syndication (M*A*S*H, Wheel, Feud, TTD) were all on (then-)Big-3 affiliates. The indies had a few hits here and there like The Jeffersons, Barney Miller, or Solid Gold, but I imagine it wasn't much different across the country.
I can't remember where I read this, but there was a book written around 1984 or so, that talks about shows that did well on network TV, but came and went very quickly in syndication, and vice versa. Gonna have to look it up now.
ETA: I think this was it...that didn't take long at all! (http://zvbxrpl.blogspot.com/2008/04/s.html) :)
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When I lived in Phoenix from 1983-85, then-indie KPHO had M*A*S*H, Alice, and The Jeffersons...which isn’t ironic because a decade later, they would affiliate with the very network that aired them: CBS.
But off-network reruns in syndication were so hot, People magazine ran a cover story on it in 1985.
Back to the ads: In between Hollywood Squares and Fantasy, Peter Marshall pitched "Peter Marshall and the Big Band" for syndication (page 103, March 8, 1982) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1982/BC-1982-03-08.pdf); it got bupkis interest.
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Back to the ads: In between Hollywood Squares and Fantasy, Peter Marshall pitched "Peter Marshall and the Big Band" for syndication (page 103, March 8, 1982) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1982/BC-1982-03-08.pdf); it got bupkis interest.
You're slipping. You completely missed "That Awful Quiz Show" on page 79. How can I trust you as a reliable source for these ads if you don't get all of them?
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When I lived in Phoenix from 1983-85, then-indie KPHO had M*A*S*H, Alice, and The Jeffersons...which is isn't ironic because a decade later, they would affiliate with the very network that aired them: CBS.
Fixed that for you.
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When I lived in Phoenix from 1983-85, then-indie KPHO had M*A*S*H, Alice, and The Jeffersons...which is isn't ironic because a decade later, they would affiliate with the very network that aired them: CBS.
Fixed that for you.
Thank you.
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Nice stealth edit by Steve.
/was five years old in 1985.
//off-air syndication is a person?
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Back to the ads: In between Hollywood Squares and Fantasy, Peter Marshall pitched "Peter Marshall and the Big Band" for syndication (page 103, March 8, 1982) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1982/BC-1982-03-08.pdf); it got bupkis interest.
You're slipping. You completely missed "That Awful Quiz Show" on page 79. How can I trust you as a reliable source for these ads if you don't get all of them?
That Awful Quiz Show — which did get sold, by the way — lasted only 13 weeks and, yes, stood true to its title, so I didn’t even bother.
And both shows were by a syndicator that wasn’t Viacom, Worldvision (which were the biggies at the time), Group W, or the studios.
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I'd rather see an ad for an obscurity like That Awful Quiz Show than another ad for Feud or Tic Tac Dough. That's just me, though.
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Back to the ads: In between Hollywood Squares and Fantasy, Peter Marshall pitched "Peter Marshall and the Big Band" for syndication (page 103, March 8, 1982) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1982/BC-1982-03-08.pdf); it got bupkis interest.
You're slipping. You completely missed "That Awful Quiz Show" on page 79. How can I trust you as a reliable source for these ads if you don't get all of them?
That Awful Quiz Show — which did get sold, by the way — lasted only 13 weeks and, yes, stood true to its title, so I didn’t even bother.
And both shows were by a syndicator that wasn’t Viacom, Worldvision (which were the biggies at the time), Group W, or the studios.
"That Awful Quiz Show"...wasn't that the show that had The Rice Twins (a bit of a staple in Guinness' Book of World Records in the 80s)?
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Correct. There was a clip of the game play posted here a couple years ago.
The show obviously flew under the radar (it doesn't even have a Wikipedia page), but I would be curious to know which stations aired it*. The trade ads don't say much.
*Being semi-rhetorical here...don't need a list. :P
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Yeah, I always thought it was called That **** Quiz Show...and the only reason I've heard of this show is because I remember seeing as a question eons ago while playing the TV Edition of Trivial Pursuit.
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Back to the ads: In between Hollywood Squares and Fantasy, Peter Marshall pitched "Peter Marshall and the Big Band" for syndication (page 103, March 8, 1982) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1982/BC-1982-03-08.pdf); it got bupkis interest.
You're slipping. You completely missed "That Awful Quiz Show" on page 79. How can I trust you as a reliable source for these ads if you don't get all of them?
That Awful Quiz Show — which did get sold, by the way — lasted only 13 weeks and, yes, stood true to its title, so I didn’t even bother.
And both shows were by a syndicator that wasn’t Viacom, Worldvision (which were the biggies at the time), Group W, or the studios.
The batteries in your Klauss-Gibson need replaced.
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D.L. Taffner was the syndicator for That Awful Quiz Show, though the company was better off raking in the millions with those Three’s Company/Too Close For Comfort reruns; Comworld handled Peter Marshall’s big band show, which went unsold.
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Until That Awful Quiz Show, the last game show that had two hosts was The Better Sex (Sarah Purcell and Bill Anderson); that didn’t last long either.
you're forgetting "Bedtime Stories" with Lohman and Barkley.
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The batteries in your Klauss-Gibson need replaced.
At this point, I think any criticism directed his way is going in one ear and out the other.
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Until That Awful Quiz Show, the last game show that had two hosts was The Better Sex (Sarah Purcell and Bill Anderson); that didn’t last long either.
you're forgetting "Bedtime Stories" with Lohman and Barkley.
Sorry about that; Better Sex was in 1977 followed by Bedtime Stories two years later...and both were better produced (by Goodson-Todman and Heatter-Quigley respectively) than That Awful Quiz Show.
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The batteries in your Klauss-Gibson need replaced.
At this point, I think any criticism directed his way is going in one ear and out the other.
You were saying? :)
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Yeah, I always thought it was called That **** Quiz Show...and the only reason I've heard of this show is because I remember seeing as a question eons ago while playing the TV Edition of Trivial Pursuit.
The EOTVGS had it listed under that title, and it has stood out in my mind all these years because of that.
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The batteries in your Klauss-Gibson need replaced.
At this point, I think any criticism directed his way is going in one ear and out the other.
You were saying? :)
I know this board all too well. :P
With Name That Tune possibly coming back, wasn't there a B&C ad from the late-80s for the proposed Peter Allen version? I haven't seen anything in the David Gleason archives, but I know someone here mentioned an ad with Peter at his own special piano, and I always thought that sounded cool.
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With Name That Tune possibly coming back, wasn't there a B&C ad from the late-80s for the proposed Peter Allen version? I haven't seen anything in the David Gleason archives, but I know someone here mentioned an ad with Peter at his own special piano, and I always thought that sounded cool.
I may have to look for that, but there was an ad from early 1985 saying that the Jim Lange NTT was slated to be renewed for Season 2 and under new producer Television Program Enterprises (TPE, meaning for Atlanta, it would’ve been moved from WXIA on Saturday nights to WSB, where Tom Kennedy’s version aired)...only to be pulled the plug after the immediate success of Jeopardy left that other newbie Anything For Money in the dust, and $100,000 Pyramid starting to get clearances left and right.
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I may have to look for that, but there was an ad from early 1985 saying that the Jim Lange NTT was slated to be renewed for Season 2 and under new producer Television Program Enterprises (TPE, meaning for Atlanta, it would’ve been moved from WXIA on Saturday nights to WSB, where Tom Kennedy’s version aired)...only to be pulled the plug after the immediate success of Jeopardy left that other newbie Anything For Money in the dust, and $100,000 Pyramid starting to get clearances left and right.
Had it picked it up for Season 2 in My Market (San Francisco), It would've aired on KGO, so the Nighttime Version of The Price is Right (hosted by Tom Kennedy) could've picked up on KTVU (despite the station also aired the 1994 syndicated revival hosted by Doug Davidson from the CBS Soap Opera, The Young and the Restless) or if KTVU could've gone the other direction to pick up Season 2 of the $100,000 Name That Tune they could've join Star Search and Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous despite KTVU will pick up 3 shows from the TPE Stable while KGO wanted to get Tom Kennedy's Price is Right just like it did for real.
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What the hell difference does it make if the show is distributed by one or the other or another still? Stations aren't beholden to syndicators.
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What the hell difference does it make if the show is distributed by one or the other or another still? Stations aren't beholden to syndicators.
It does to the great Jonathan Allen, who loves to spout knowledge to show off information that he THINKS he knows.
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What the hell difference does it make if the show is distributed by one or the other or another still? Stations aren't beholden to syndicators.
There was a time in the mid 70s through the 80s where Warner Brothers gave the right of first refusal to the station that bought the last show. For example, if your station bought, say, "Welcome Back, Kotter" reruns, you'd get first dibs on "The Waltons" without the your competition even getting a chance to bid on the show. If you turned it down, then they would go to the other stations. This ended when Telepictures merged into WB. Telepictures salesmen were used to the standard way of selling and that prevailed.
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What the hell difference does it make if the show is distributed by one or the other or another still? Stations aren't beholden to syndicators.
There was a time in the mid 70s through the 80s where Warner Brothers gave the right of first refusal to the station that bought the last show. For example, if your station bought, say, "Welcome Back, Kotter" reruns, you'd get first dibs on "The Waltons" without the your competition even getting a chance to bid on the show. If you turned it down, then they would go to the other stations. This ended when Telepictures merged into WB. Telepictures salesmen were used to the standard way of selling and that prevailed.
Would this be associated with the "insurance policy" Telepictures offered in the mid-80s? From what I've seen in the old magazines, if a Telepictures show flopped at midseason (?), they'd have a new replacement ready to go. I believe this happened with "Catch Phrase" in '85.
But I'm guessing the Lorimar-Telepictures merger around the same time also killed that.
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Somewhat similar but not the same
Catch Phrase was replaced by Goen Perfect Match, but not every station went along.
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That's not really being "beholden", so to speak, is it? It's just WB covering its bases and remembering who they dealt with in the past. Nobody was putting a gun to those stations' heads (figuratively speaking of course).
Re: Perfect Match: I can tell you with a fair degree of certainty WCBS didn't pick it up, since I'm almost positive WOR (pre-extra W) had nabbed it. Don't know what would've replaced Catch Phrase though.
Channel 9 sure did have a lotta game shows in their lineup that season- the last licks of Joker and Tic Tac Dough, Perfect Match, Dating Game, Newlywed Game (I think), Let's Make a Deal, best of Feud, $1,000,000 COAL, and the original $100,000 Pyramid.
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Re: Perfect Match: I can tell you with a fair degree of certainty WCBS didn't pick it up, since I'm almost positive WOR (pre-extra W) had nabbed it. Don't know what would've replaced Catch Phrase though.
Sorry, but WCBS did air it at 9 AM weekdays, and it did replace Catch Phrase.
Source: New York magazine Cue listings (https://books.google.com/books?id=7OYCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false).
Other notes: Dating Game did air as part of a two-hour afternoon block with The Joker's Wild, Tic Tac Dough, and Let's Make a Deal, even though I thought it didn't go into production until the fall (reruns of the Lange 1978-1980 version?). They also had another block in the early evenings with $100,000 Pyramid, Million Dollar Chance of a Lifetime, and Feud reruns (broken up with a half-hour newscast). WNBC ran The Newlywed Game at 7:30 PM.
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Yes, Dating Game on WWOR at that time was reruns. The previous year (1984-1985), Newlywed Game aired in reruns on WWOR as well.
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Yes, Dating Game on WWOR at that time was reruns. The previous year (1984-1985), Newlywed Game aired in reruns on WWOR as well.
The Dating Game repeats in syndication at that time were a mixed bag of episodes that went all the way back to the 60s and mostly featured celebrity guests and before-they-were-stars moments.
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Since it was brought up on the "most recent show with no video evidence", here's an ad for Name That Tune (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/70-OCR/1970-12-21-BC-OCR-Page-0008.pdf#search=%22name%20that%20tune%22), from December 1970.
Apparently, it aired in a few markets, and the syndicator tried for nationwide syndication.
Speaking of NTT, has anyone ever seen an ad for the proposed Peter Allen version in the late-80s? The Broadcasting archive doesn't turn up much other than a blurb here and there.
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Since it was brought up on the "most recent show with no video evidence", here's an ad for Name That Tune (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/70-OCR/1970-12-21-BC-OCR-Page-0008.pdf#search=%22name%20that%20tune%22), from December 1970.
Apparently, it aired in a few markets, and the syndicator tried for nationwide syndication.
Speaking of NTT, has anyone ever seen an ad for the proposed Peter Allen version in the late-80s? The Broadcasting archive doesn't turn up much other than a blurb here and there.
Without citation, I can confidently tell you that there were ads for this, including photos of Peter at a keyboard on the (cool) set.
IMHO, it would have been a good addition to the syndie marketplace in 1989.
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IMHO, it would have been a good addition to the syndie marketplace in 1989.
In the recent post about Peter Marshall disliking Bert Convy, a link to an interview with Peter Marshall stated that 3rd Degree was the only game show that sold that year. Was the field that slim in '89, only to "rebound" a year later?
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Peter is wrong. Several other shows premiered that fall: Talk About, Jackpot, The Last Word, and Pictionary. I may be leaving a couple off.
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Source: New York magazine Cue listings (https://books.google.com/books?id=7OYCAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false).
In that same issue, check out the results of Mary Ann Madden's New York magazine competition, in which readers were invited to come up with new game shows. Some of the responses are still pretty good, including "Family Feudal," "All-Star Hangman" and "The Newley Wed Game" (starring Anthony Newley, of course).
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Back to the ads:
Family Feud's share was rising just a few weeks into the 1990-91 season while newbies The Challengers, Quiz Kids Challenge, T**** Card, and of course, TJW and TTD, were falling fast. (pages 56-57, October 15, 1990) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-10-15.pdf)
/Love that dig at LMAD '90 though
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Back to the ads:
Family Feud's share was rising just a few weeks into the 1990-91 season while newbies The Challengers, Quiz Kids Challenge, T**** Card, and of course, TJW and TTD, were falling fast. (pages 56-57, October 15, 1990) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1990/BC-1990-10-15.pdf)
/Love that dig at LMAD '90 though
Okay.
One, you can stop with the damn asterisks.
Two, this is kind of misleading because if Feud was doing so well in these markets, it would still have been there. In fact, wasn't the 90-91 season the start of the ratings downturn that would eventually cost Combs his job?
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Okay.
One, you can stop with the damn asterisks.
Just my own but if he replaced all of his content with asterisks I would be OK with it, and we'd be no worse for it.
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Back to the ads:
You do realize that this isn't really a thread that can "derail" to the point of no return, right? Honestly, the actual conversations breaking up every single game show ad someone finds is way more refreshing. Telling us Feud was a hit in the early-90s is kinda like saying water is wet. Besides, it's pretty common knowledge here that the rookie shows (including TRUMP* Card) flopped.
*Not a fan of the guy, but censoring his name in this context is just silly.
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In fact, wasn't the 90-91 season the start of the ratings downturn that would eventually cost Combs his job?
I think it was 91-92; Combs Feud was still the #3 game show behind Wheel and Jeopardy, but by then, Studs, American Gladiators, and even Hard Copy were already attracting more eyeballs in the 18-49s (Star Trek: TNG still led the demo), and Feud was losing in both that and 25-54s...not to mention being nowhere among the top 20 overall.
Compare that to when Dawson Feud started the 1980’s still #1 among all demos (18-49, 25-54, and even kids and teens (which has been absorbed into total households)), with Tic Tac Dough or PM Magazine at a cozy #2.
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(pages 56-57, October 15, 1990)
Wait... doesn’t this ad compare 1989 Feud to 1990 other things? I’m not in industry, and I don’t have the history of reading this stuff that some of you guys do, but this comes off like a literal Apples-to-Oranges comparison.
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Besides, it's pretty common knowledge here that the rookie shows (including TRUMP* Card) flopped.
*Not a fan of the guy, but censoring his name in this context is just silly.
Yes, but the great Jonathan Allen is hopeful that there is one person that might not know, so that he can show off how much he (thinks) he knows.
And fully agreed on the censoring of the show, although I also agree with Mr. Eberle - asterisks in the entire post would also be an improvement.
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In fact, wasn't the 90-91 season the start of the ratings downturn that would eventually cost Combs his job?
I think it was 91-92; Combs Feud was still the #3 game show behind Wheel and Jeopardy, but by then, Studs, American Gladiators, and even Hard Copy were already attracting more eyeballs in the 18-49s (Star Trek: TNG still led the demo), and Feud was losing in both that and 25-54s...not to mention being nowhere among the top 20 overall.
Compare that to when Dawson Feud started the 1980’s still #1 among all demos (18-49, 25-54, and even kids and teens (which has been absorbed into total households)), with Tic Tac Dough or PM Magazine at a cozy #2.
Didn't Combs Feud have a massive downgrade of timeslots come 91-92? I know some markets were airing it in odd time slots starting that year and the number of stations airing it in Access and Early Fringe tumbled never to recover.
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There were a couple of things that caused downgradesof Feud in 88-89. The show didn't live up to expectations in fall 88 and then LBS carved out an extra national :60 in place of fee plugs. Stations got upset with the clutter and moved it to post-midnight slots. When the replacement shows got about the same ratings, the stations slowly moved it back to better slots. Remember, because of the CBS version, stations were limited to airing the show between 4pm and overnight.
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(pages 56-57, October 15, 1990)
Wait... doesn’t this ad compare 1989 Feud to 1990 other things? I’m not in industry, and I don’t have the history of reading this stuff that some of you guys do, but this comes off like a literal Apples-to-Oranges comparison.
I think the point was that the stations that dropped Feud in favor of one of the new entries saw a dropoff in their numbers and the ones that kept it saw it continue to perform solidly.
There were a couple of things that caused downgradesof Feud in 88-89. The show didn't live up to expectations in fall 88 and then LBS carved out an extra national :60 in place of fee plugs. Stations got upset with the clutter and moved it to post-midnight slots. When the replacement shows got about the same ratings, the stations slowly moved it back to better slots. Remember, because of the CBS version, stations were limited to airing the show between 4pm and overnight.
Yeah, I call BS on a good two thirds of that. Especially the last one.
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I gave up trying to set up the quotes right for the previous comment there. The "after 4pm" for syndicated Feud, I do think that might have been a thing? In our market, the ABC affiliate had the show, and they aired it at 7pm. I believe the CBS affiliate in Philadelphia had the syndicated show also, and they aired it in access. Not 100% sure on this without cracking open some TV Guides.
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There were a couple of things that caused downgradesof Feud in 88-89. The show didn't live up to expectations in fall 88 and then LBS carved out an extra national :60 in place of fee plugs. Stations got upset with the clutter and moved it to post-midnight slots. When the replacement shows got about the same ratings, the stations slowly moved it back to better slots. Remember, because of the CBS version, stations were limited to airing the show between 4pm and overnight.
Yeah, I call BS on a good two thirds of that. Especially the last one.
Here's a story from Broadcasting about the fee plug substitution from summer 89www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/89-OCR/BC-1989-07-03-OCR-Page-0023.pdf#search=%22family feud lbs%22 (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/89-OCR/BC-1989-07-03-OCR-Page-0023.pdf#search=%22family feud lbs%22)
BC-1989-07-0
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I gave up trying to set up the quotes right for the previous comment there. The "after 4pm" for syndicated Feud, I do think that might have been a thing? In our market, the ABC affiliate had the show, and they aired it at 7pm. I believe the CBS affiliate in Philadelphia had the syndicated show also, and they aired it in access. Not 100% sure on this without cracking open some TV Guides.
I'll help. :) WHTM aired the show at 7:30pm, from the time that USA Today's TV version tanked (early 1989?) up until fall of 1994, at 7:30pm. WCAU began airing the show from the outset, at 7pm. I believe in early 1991 it moved to 7:30, but found its way back to 7 not long after. Not sure how long WCAU aired it.
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I gave up trying to set up the quotes right for the previous comment there. The "after 4pm" for syndicated Feud, I do think that might have been a thing? In our market, the ABC affiliate had the show, and they aired it at 7pm. I believe the CBS affiliate in Philadelphia had the syndicated show also, and they aired it in access. Not 100% sure on this without cracking open some TV Guides.
At first, WNBC carried it in access as well, opposite Wheel at 7:30.
I just don't buy the idea that LBS and/or Goodson still had restrictions on timeslots like the 1985 syndie PIR did. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I would figure by then they'd have realized their error.
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I dunno how much this adds to Jimmy's comment, but I'll try to piggyback.
In 1990-91, there was an Entertainment Tonight-style show called Premiere that (I think) replaced Feud at 7 or 7:30 on WTKR. I'd have to look up some old microfiche*, but I was an avid Feud watcher back then, and remember being disappointed that a different show had replaced it.
Premiere was gone by that fall, and Feud returned to the 7:00 hour (I think it was at 7). So, I dunno if it aired in a different slot in early-1991, or if WTKR took it off temporarily.
*/What's a guy gotta do to get his local paper in the newspapers.com archive?
//Microfiche is soooooo 1993
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In 1990-91, there was an Entertainment Tonight-style show called Premiere that (I think) replaced Feud at 7 or 7:30 on WTKR. I'd have to look up some old microfiche*, but I was an avid Feud watcher back then, and remember being disappointed that a different show had replaced it.
Premiere was gone by that fall, and Feud returned to the 7:00 hour (I think it was at 7). So, I dunno if it aired in a different slot in early-1991, or if WTKR took it off temporarily.
*/What's a guy gotta do to get his local paper in the newspapers.com archive?
//Microfiche is soooooo 1993
I believe the show you're talking about was "Preview" (the best of the new)....I remember them taking out an ad in TV Guide. Yeah, it didn't last long.
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You're right. Preview. Now I hear the theme song playing in my head. :)
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I just don't buy the idea that LBS and/or Goodson still had restrictions on timeslots like the 1985 syndie PIR did. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I would figure by then they'd have realized their error.
I'm not sure why you decided to call such decisive BS on Jimmy's post. I think it was (and is) standard operating procedure not to have a syndicated version of the same show compete with the network version of said show. It might not have been LBS or Goodson's doing anyway - it could have been something with CBS (blocking out all the times their affiliates chose to air it).
-Jason
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I'm not sure why you decided to call such decisive BS on Jimmy's post. I think it was (and is) standard operating procedure not to have a syndicated version of the same show compete with the network version of said show. It might not have been LBS or Goodson's doing anyway - it could have been something with CBS (blocking out all the times their affiliates chose to air it).
At the very least, that's exactly how it worked for Wheel of Fortune or The Price is Right.
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I just don't buy the idea that LBS and/or Goodson still had restrictions on timeslots like the 1985 syndie PIR did. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I would figure by then they'd have realized their error.
Why would that be an error, though? If you have TPiR on CBS at 11, then Kennedy's (half-hour version) airing on your NBC affiliate at 12:30 pm, you might have quite a few folks confused. Now, imagine the same thing happening with Wheel, $ale, or Pyramid, where you had the same host in daytime and evenings, but airing only an hour or two apart, and with serious budget differences.
Granted, 1985 television is a lot different with networks having a more concrete daytime schedule, so therefore, my "Price at 12:30" scenario is obviously not as plausible, but the restriction makes sense, IMO.
ETA: There's also the idea that, if I'm Mark Goodson or Merv Griffin, I don't wanna risk having my show air in direct competition to the same show on another station, or at an adjacent time slot.
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You're right. Preview. Now I hear the theme song playing in my head. :)
Ditto! Wasn't Chuck Henry a host on that show?
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You're right. Preview. Now I hear the theme song playing in my head. :)
Ditto! Wasn't Chuck Henry a host on that show?
I believe so.
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If you have TPiR on CBS at 11, then Kennedy's (half-hour version) airing on your NBC affiliate at 12:30 pm, you might have quite a few folks confused.
"The Nighttime Price Is Right?! It's 12:30 in the afternoon!"
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I just don't buy the idea that LBS and/or Goodson still had restrictions on timeslots like the 1985 syndie PIR did. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I would figure by then they'd have realized their error.
I'm not sure why you decided to call such decisive BS on Jimmy's post. I think it was (and is) standard operating procedure not to have a syndicated version of the same show compete with the network version of said show. It might not have been LBS or Goodson's doing anyway - it could have been something with CBS (blocking out all the times their affiliates chose to air it).
-Jason
Considering the source of the info, I felt well within reason to call it.
Recent developments have shown me the haste I did so with, though.
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I just don't buy the idea that LBS and/or Goodson still had restrictions on timeslots like the 1985 syndie PIR did. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, but I would figure by then they'd have realized their error.
I'm not sure why you decided to call such decisive BS on Jimmy's post. I think it was (and is) standard operating procedure not to have a syndicated version of the same show compete with the network version of said show. It might not have been LBS or Goodson's doing anyway - it could have been something with CBS (blocking out all the times their affiliates chose to air it).
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Considering the source of the info, I felt well within reason to call it.
Recent developments have shown me the haste I did so with, though.
. When it comes to facts, I do not put out intentially incorrect information. Where people some times have an issue with me is my opinions, or conclusions drawn.
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With the limitations set, it's interesting to note that for a time, in Philadelphia, Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy ran against each other, with KYW airing Wheel (daytime) at 4pm, up against Jeopardy! on WPVI.
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Combs syndicated Feud had trouble finding its footing in Fairbanks, Alaska; the then-new KFXF in 1992 — LBS was absorbed into All-American by that time — ran it at 7:30pm opposite Cheers reruns on KTVF (two years before they finally brought Jeopardy! there). A half-hour earlier, it was Wheel on 'TVF and the short-lived teen soap Swans Crossing — starring Sarah Michelle Gellar pre-Buffy (and now Foodstirs) — on 'FXF.
KFXF moved Feud to a daytime slot in 1994 when Dawson briefly returned.
/The ill-fated USA Today TV Show bit the dust in early 1990, by the way
//I don’t think that Preview show ever cleared Biloxi-Gulfport, Miss. (where I was living at the time) or New Orleans
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KFXF moved Feud to a daytime slot in 1994 when Dawson briefly returned.
/The ill-fated USA Today TV Show bit the dust in early 1990, by the way
A similar thing happened in Philadelphia as well with Feud - once the CBS version was cancelled, WCAU moved "Family Feud" to 10:30am.
And as far as USA TODAY: The Television Show, thanks for the clarification - my mistake. It was immediately after that show tanked that WHTM in Harrisburg replaced it with Feud (January 1990).
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With the limitations set, it's interesting to note that for a time, in Philadelphia, Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy ran against each other, with KYW airing Wheel (daytime) at 4pm, up against Jeopardy! on WPVI.
I've heard it said that the Joker's Wild/Tic Tac Dough combo in the late '70s was almost as powerful (at least for a while) as Wheel and Jeopardy would become by the mid-80s, but in looking at old TVGuides, in many cities these shows didn't run on the same station. In fact, in some areas they were on opposite each other, which I find surprising.
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I've heard it said that the Joker's Wild/Tic Tac Dough combo in the late '70s was almost as powerful (at least for a while) as Wheel and Jeopardy would become by the mid-80s, but in looking at old TVGuides, in many cities these shows didn't run on the same station. In fact, in some areas they were on opposite each other, which I find surprising.
You know, I thought the same thing for a long time, that TTD/JW was what WOF and J! (or J! and WOF, depending on where you live, or maybe not even) is now. Like you, I found that wasn't the case. It was very rare that the shows shared the 7-8pm hour on one station.
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I've heard it said that the Joker's Wild/Tic Tac Dough combo in the late '70s was almost as powerful (at least for a while) as Wheel and Jeopardy would become by the mid-80s, but in looking at old TVGuides, in many cities these shows didn't run on the same station. In fact, in some areas they were on opposite each other, which I find surprising.
I've thought the same about the two shows being what Wheel and J! would later become. For a while in the early-80s, the two aired against one another in my market at 7:30, Tic Tac on WTKR, Joker on WAVY.
When Bill Cullen became the host, both shows moved to the 4:00 hour on WVEC.
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I know for awhile in New York WOR had Joker and WPIX TTD. I know they both ended up on WOR together at some point (at the very least, the last two seasons for both) but I'm not certain as to how long. Joker eventually moved to WCBS as did TTD but I think TTD only did so later. I also think that WOR did carry them both during the 1980-81 season (I know WPIX was airing TTD as late as January 1980).
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In Cleveland, WJ[K]W/channel 8 took TJW when the syndie version first came out. WEWS/channel 5 took TTD to replace The Cross-Wits a year or two later. I don't recall both of the B&E shows being on the same station. Bullseye never cleared in CLE.
WJ[K]W did get the rights to Hollywood Connection and later, Play The Percentages, FWIW.
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In the Harrisburg area, TTD started out on WGAL upon its premiere, and JW on WHP a year earlier. When WGAL decided to go with a 7pm newscast in September 1980, WHP picked up TTD, but the two shows only aired in the 7:00 hour for a short time. with JW moving to the late afternoon in 1982 in favor of "Family Feud".
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In Cleveland, WJ[K]W/channel 8 took TJW when the syndie version first came out. WEWS/channel 5 took TTD to replace The Cross-Wits a year or two later. I don't recall both of the B&E shows being on the same station. Bullseye never cleared in CLE.
In '86, WBNX aired both after WBNX launched in December '85. IIRC, TJW was around 6:30 PM after either Sale of the Century or The Crosswits, and TTD was at 11 PM.
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In addition to the nighttime TPIR reboot and Richard Dawson's short-lived return to Family Feud, Mark Goodson Productions with the help of their first syndicator Viacom tried to get into the courtroom game with another non-game show entity: "I Accuse!" (pages 24-25; March 14, 1994) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1994/BC-1994-03-14.pdf)
But the 60% clearance -- even in the top 10 markets -- wasn't enough to get it off the ground (I think a minimum of 90% is required for a full rollout).
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(I think a minimum of 90% is required for a full rollout).
You "think"? I'm disappointed. I expect you to KNOW!
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Bumping this thread. Beside Broadcasting Magazine, there are dozens of magazines from radio, television, and music here in great numbers. (For example, every copy of Billboard magazine from 1940 to 2014 is here, along with long-gone magazines like Cashbox and Record World. For me, that's the Holy Grail - I used to buy Billboard off the stands occasionally, but it was too expensive a hobby to maintain.)
Anyway, the main site is at: http://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm) - and please don't ask him to put more stuff up; I'm stunned at the amount that's there.
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I used to buy Billboard off the stands occasionally, but it was too expensive a hobby to maintain.)
I hear you. I actually had a subscription to Billboard for quite a while, but that was back in the '80s - when the music was actually good. I couldn't wait to get it every week and followed Casey Kasem's American Top 40 each week as well. I have almost every issue of Billboard from about mid-1977 to early 2004 - and they take up a LOT of room! I haven't bought it in a long time because most of today's music just doesn't do it for me. In hindsight, I probably should have cancelled my subscription a few years before I did - but old habits are hard to break!
They're neat to look back on, and remember better times for pop music!
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You can still read Billboard and Variety at public libraries everywhere; as for Broadcasting & Cable? The Atlanta-Fulton Public Library (which has been my library for almost four years now) used to subscribe to it until a few years ago, and I don’t know of any others that have B&C from 2003 on.
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You can still read Billboard and Variety at public libraries everywhere
Or, if your library is remotely modern, in your living room on your tablet.
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You can still read Billboard and Variety at public libraries everywhere
Or, if your library is remotely modern, in your living room on your tablet.
Quite frankly, I still prefer the print versions because of the trade ads, especially the "For Your Considerations" as awards season is coming to an end.
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I assure you, nobody cares.
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Quite frankly, I still prefer the print versions because of the trade ads, especially the "For Your Considerations" as awards season is coming to an end.
I prefer being able to read publications without having to put on pants.
/not that that stopped me before
//wait, what
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Back to the ads: Love Connection continued to throw shade at Studs as 1992 arrived ("Facts are Facts", pgs. 8-9, 1/6/92) (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1992/BC-1992-01-06.pdf)
/That same issue also features ads for Night Heat, which is yet to be on a subchannel (CBS owns the U.S. rights)
//Night Heat probably drew more males 25-54 on CBS over Johnny Carson and Nightline, I think
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/That same issue also features ads for Night Heat, which is yet to be on a subchannel
I mean, how many viewers remember the show? I know some obscure shows have ended up on subchannels (GetTV airs quite a few), but I think that's obscure even for them.
Interesting that the Love Connection ad refers to it being a Telepictures production, when by that point, Warner Bros. was the sole distributor. The show seemed to change hands a few times once Lorimar and Telepictures parted ways in the late-80s. At one point, Lorimar distributed the show, then WB took over in 1990 or '91. WB would eventually absorb Lorimar a couple years later.
Telepictures ended up distributing the Pat Bullard revival.
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I mean, how many viewers remember the show? I know some obscure shows have ended up on subchannels (GetTV airs quite a few), but I think that's obscure even for them.
I do, as well as many younger viewers at the time who found it as an alternative to Johnny Carson...until Arsenio Hall came along, of course.
But during the early ’90s, Warner Bros.’ ads in B&C were like Viacom’s in the ’70s: more simplistic with a white background, while Paramount’s and 20th Century Fox’s tended to be more flashy
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I mean, how many viewers remember the show? I know some obscure shows have ended up on subchannels (GetTV airs quite a few), but I think that's obscure even for them.
I do
And obviously, because HE does, it's important.
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I mean, how many viewers remember the show? I know some obscure shows have ended up on subchannels (GetTV airs quite a few), but I think that's obscure even for them.
I do, as well as many younger viewers at the time who found it as an alternative to Johnny Carson...until Arsenio Hall came along, of course.
*reads Wiki for Night Heat*
Okay. I won't dispute the show got solid ratings. But, I think you're getting your wires crossed, and making this more than it is. Yes, it gave Johnny Carson competition. Great. It's still a relatively obscure Canadian cop show. And with the exception of Da Vinci's Inquest, I can't think of too many shows from Canada that got lengthy syndicated runs in the States. Maybe Flashpoint.
MeTV recently aired TJ Hooker and MacGyver, both popular American shows from that same era. And neither lasted very long. You think a network is going to air an even more obscure series? If anything from that era were to appear on TV, I'd expect it to be Silk Stalkings.
/That theme song...
//If you catch my drift
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Y'all are putting way too much stock in yet another Jonathan Allen "Imma slip in this obscure unrelated fact to show off what I know" post.
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His stock is on par with Enron.
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In fact, wasn't the 90-91 season the start of the ratings downturn that would eventually cost Combs his job?
I think it was 91-92; Combs Feud was still the #3 game show behind Wheel and Jeopardy, but by then, Studs, American Gladiators, and even Hard Copy were already attracting more eyeballs in the 18-49s (Star Trek: TNG still led the demo), and Feud was losing in both that and 25-54s...not to mention being nowhere among the top 20 overall.
Compare that to when Dawson Feud started the 1980’s still #1 among all demos (18-49, 25-54, and even kids and teens (which has been absorbed into total households)), with Tic Tac Dough or PM Magazine at a cozy #2.
Was 1990 when American Gladiators got some good upgrades in time slots? It went from WNBC in New York to WNYW and it did quite well there, and in my area it swapped timeslots with WWF Superstars-did that happen across the board with AG in 90?
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WNYW gave AG the post Superstars slot, so I would guess some paired them while others didn't.
Here they stayed paired for five years until WCBS grabbed it during the final season. Wasn't too long after that Superstars became cable exclusive; the Fox stations airing it would preempt it for baseball.
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Another Studs ad, this time throwing shade at Personals, Night Games, and That's Amore among other relationship shows that came and later went that season. (http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1991/BC-1991-11-04.pdf) (pages 10-11; November 4, 1991)
/I watched Love Stories just for Kristian Alfonso
//Living in Rapid City at the time meant watching Personals and Night Games at 11:00 pm Mountain Time (the statewide CBS station is in Sioux Falls and on Central Time)
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I'd be interested to see what AG's rating were like in the fall of '89, since it had some late night timeslots. Once AG got bumped up in New York from 2 A.M. to Saturday afternoons, the rating would have improved a bit.
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Over on the Video Clips board, there's a 1984 pilot called Flash Frame, hosted by Bob Eubanks. Apparently, the syndicators (Sun/Centerpoint) had been trying to sell the show as early (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/82-OCR/1982-02-22-BC-OCR-Page-0067.pdf#search=%22freeze%20frame%20pilot%22) as 1982 (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/82-OCR/1982-03-08-BC-OCR-Page-0074.pdf#search=%22freeze%20frame%20pilot%22). At the time, Firestone was going to syndicate the show.
By 1984, (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/84-OCR/BC-1984-01-09-OCR-Page-0051.pdf#search=%22freeze%20frame%20pilot%22) Centerpoint became the distributor. From what I've seen, Centerpoint produced a few TV shows and made-for-TV movies in the early-80s, but nothing memorable.
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By 1984, (http://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/84-OCR/BC-1984-01-09-OCR-Page-0051.pdf#search=%22freeze%20frame%20pilot%22) Centerpoint became the distributor. From what I've seen, Centerpoint produced a few TV shows and made-for-TV movies in the early-80s, but nothing memorable.
Anybody know anything about Deception? It sounds cool unless it's a TTTT ripoff or Balderdash.
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Somewhat related; not from B&C, but two 1977 National Candy Wholesaler trade ads for Twizzlers and Nibs as they used nighttime TPIR, LMAD, Gong Show, Hollywood Squares, etc. to help sell their products:
https://flic.kr/p/7a4bvv (March)
https://flic.kr/p/71XiaD (October)
I know syndicated shows back then weren’t satellite-delivered (yet), but it was the closest thing to barter advertising.
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Somewhat related; not from B&C, but two 1977 National Candy Wholesaler trade ads for Twizzlers and Nibs as they used nighttime TPIR, LMAD, Gong Show, Hollywood Squares, etc. to sell their products:
https://flic.kr/p/7a4bvv (March)
https://flic.kr/p/71XiaD (October)
I know syndicated shows back then weren’t satellite-delivered (yet), but it was the closest thing to barter advertising.
Must have been fee plugs within the shows.
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Somewhat related; not from B&C, but two 1977 National Candy Wholesaler trade ads for Twizzlers and Nibs as they used nighttime TPIR, LMAD, Gong Show, Hollywood Squares, etc. to help sell their products:
https://flic.kr/p/7a4bvv (March)
https://flic.kr/p/71XiaD (October)
I know syndicated shows back then weren’t satellite-delivered (yet), but it was the closest thing to barter advertising.
Must have been fee plugs within the shows.
And during that period, Tootsie Roll was advertised on Name That Tune (and of course, Saturday morning cartoons).
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Somewhat related; not from B&C, but two 1977 National Candy Wholesaler trade ads for Twizzlers and Nibs as they used nighttime TPIR, LMAD, Gong Show, Hollywood Squares, etc. to help sell their products:
https://flic.kr/p/7a4bvv (March)
https://flic.kr/p/71XiaD (October)
I know syndicated shows back then weren’t satellite-delivered (yet), but it was the closest thing to barter advertising.
When comparing the two ads, you'll notice changes to three shows. In the later ad, Chuck Barris and Bob Barker are shown as hosts of the nighttime editions of The Gong Show and TPIR respectively. By that fall, Break the Bank was no longer in production and Jack Barry is shown representing both BTB and TJW!
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Somewhat related; not from B&C, but two 1977 National Candy Wholesaler trade ads for Twizzlers and Nibs as they used nighttime TPIR, LMAD, Gong Show, Hollywood Squares, etc. to help sell their products:
https://flic.kr/p/7a4bvv (March)
https://flic.kr/p/71XiaD (October)
I know syndicated shows back then weren’t satellite-delivered (yet), but it was the closest thing to barter advertising.
When comparing the two ads, you'll notice changes to three shows. In the later ad, Chuck Barris and Bob Barker are shown as hosts of the nighttime editions of The Gong Show and TPIR respectively. By that fall, Break the Bank was no longer in production and Jack Barry is shown representing both BTB and TJW!
One Gong Show episode from 1979 (which is on YouTube) also saw 5th Avenue during the fee plugs.
The ironic connection to this: Twizzlers, Twizzlers Nibs, and 5th Avenue are all currently owned by Hershey’s, whose products still make sweet impressions to this day...all 600 million of us!
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One look at the Nielsen "Cassandra" syndication ratings on Page 66 (January 12, 1987) (https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-01-12.pdf) and you ask yourself...
How in the world did The Big Spin get up there...and beating Card Sharks and $100,000 Pyramid (given that it was in only nine markets, all of them in California)?!?!
/At least Roy Clark and Buck Owens had .2 more viewers than Geoff Edwards
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One look at the Nielsen "Cassandra" syndication ratings on Page 66 (January 12, 1987) (https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-01-12.pdf) and you ask yourself...
How in the world did The Big Spin get up there...and beating Card Sharks and $100,000 Pyramid (given that it was in only nine markets, all of them in California)?!?!
/At least Roy Clark and Buck Owens had .2 more viewers than Geoff Edwards
I'm guessing the same way SEC football ranks with only 19 markets, or the religious programming with five. If I had to put money on it, the shows came from a station group or something similar.
I also fixed your date.
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One look at the Nielsen "Cassandra" syndication ratings on Page 66 (January 12, 1987) (https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1987/BC-1987-01-12.pdf) and you ask yourself...
How in the world did The Big Spin get up there...and beating Card Sharks and $100,000 Pyramid (given that it was in only nine markets, all of them in California)?!?!
/At least Roy Clark and Buck Owens had .2 more viewers than Geoff Edwards
I'm guessing the same way SEC football ranks with only 19 markets, or the religious programming with five. If I had to put money on it, the shows came from a station group or something similar.
Lottery game shows like The Big Spin (and Ohio’s Cash Explosion, which premiered around the same time as that Cassandra report) were seen on a statewide network of stations, and Big Spin was pretty much popular in Los Angeles and San Francisco, both Top 10 markets then and now.
But then again, the Illinois Lottery’s shows had more national viewers on WGN anyway.
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There is a blurb about a prime time special of Family Feud the fall of 1988 looks like it did not materialize.
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/88-OCR/BC-1988-10-03-OCR-Page-0090.pdf#search=%22family%20feud%22
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There is a blurb about a prime time special of Family Feud the fall of 1988 looks like it did not materialize.
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/88-OCR/BC-1988-10-03-OCR-Page-0090.pdf#search=%22family%20feud%22
I can't attest to the accuracy of the information, but I did verify the score of the baseball game listed. Here's a complete listing of what did air on April 19, 1988:
http://www.tvtango.com/listings/1988/10/19
If accurate, its a pretty nifty way to answer questions about "what aired when", at least in regards to network programming. For shows such as Match Game and other offerings with guests, they list the panel, as seen here:
https://tinyurl.com/y2y4rd2w
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There is a blurb about a prime time special of Family Feud the fall of 1988 looks like it did not materialize.
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/88-OCR/BC-1988-10-03-OCR-Page-0090.pdf#search=%22family%20feud%22
Good find! Unfortunately, no, it didn't. The powers that be at CBS decided that a Smothers Brothers special would fit there instead. I'll have to do some poking to see if I can find anything about the Family Feud special that wasn't.
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Wondering if there was a conflict with NBC and LBS over the prime access version.
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There is a blurb about a prime time special of Family Feud the fall of 1988 looks like it did not materialize.
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Magazines/Archive-BC-IDX/88-OCR/BC-1988-10-03-OCR-Page-0090.pdf#search=%22family%20feud%22
Good find! Unfortunately, no, it didn't. The powers that be at CBS decided that a Smothers Brothers special would fit there instead. I'll have to do some poking to see if I can find anything about the Family Feud special that wasn't.
Would love to hear more as well